"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2682308]So my age range that I like is between the 18-25/26 yr old pots / babies. Increasingly I'm finding that the ones that are under 21 want me to either provide them alcohol or order it for them when we are out.

I've always refused in the past, but a few recent dates that were supposed to go to the FC have ended badly because of it. A date this past weekend ended quickly when I told the pot not to use her fake is when she was out with me.

From my perspective, my career and real life are too important to risk dealing with issues like this. Out of curiosity, are others dealing with the same issue? Guess I just need to increase my age range to stop having to deal with these issues, and it would save me the headache of the flakiness that comes with the younger ones.[/QUOTE]Here are some solutions:

1) M&G at coffee shop -no ETOH option.

2) let her use her Fake I.d. But have separate tabs -just give her the $ to cover the bill. That way she is not your guest and is under her own order.

3) Don't go out -I take them right to the FC from Starbucks.

4) provide ETOH in the FC for her- A slightly drunk new Baby is not all bad. But legal implications are huge-car wreck on the way home and Mom or Cops asking "who gave you the drinks?

5) Have a discussion before the fact and tell her your limits. Providing consensual sex to an 18 yr old is legal, contributing to the delinquency of a minor at 18 is not. If an SB does not respect your legal position then I wouldn't take her out.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2682308]So my age range that I like is between the 18-25/26 yr old pots / babies. Increasingly I'm finding that the ones that are under 21 want me to either provide them alcohol or order it for them when we are out.

I've always refused in the past, but a few recent dates that were supposed to go to the FC have ended badly because of it. A date this past weekend ended quickly when I told the pot not to use her fake is when she was out with me.

From my perspective, my career and real life are too important to risk dealing with issues like this. Out of curiosity, are others dealing with the same issue? Guess I just need to increase my age range to stop having to deal with these issues, and it would save me the headache of the flakiness that comes with the younger ones.[/QUOTE]The youngest SB I went out with was 20 so not really a big deal. In fact, a few times I took her out and she didn't get carded when ordering drinks. The 18-21 have lower expectations, so are a bit cheaper and less needy. They can get attached or clingy because no matter how little you're spending it's more than her 22 yr old boyfriend. I found the young ones are more inclined to BBBJ or BB FC on first date. I had fun with them, but I felt 23-27 was the right mix for maturity and being fun natured. I stay away from girls that have serious financial needs. SB's that are students and looking for fun money or much more care-free and fun than a 28 SB trying to make rent and struggling to keep her cell phone paid.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2681468]Now I have to make sure there is no such thing on my car otherwise I am sitting duck with the missus! So how do I detect the presence of a tracker on my car? Bought it used for cash from a new car dealer.[/QUOTE]If your SO wants to track you she could simply place a cell phone in your car and track it that way.

Agree with you 100 %. The young pots sbs tend to be more carefree and a little bit more sexually uninhibited, although I've never met a SB from SA that wouldn't BBBJ. Actually I take that back, I did meet a young latina that would not BJ at all, but aside from her, every baby I've known has BBBJ. The latina did not last more than two FC dates.

For that reason, I like the 18 - 20 year old age range since they tend to be a little more open minded to what can happen in the FC. Of course, like you mention, the lack of maturity for most of these girls here irritating after the fourth or fifth date, and even though they might be hot, the endless variety makes it hard to keep any one of them around for too long.

I think I am just going to have to go with FM's recommendation #5 below and throw it out there at the m&g to make it clear that its not ok to be drinking with me if you're under 21. It's too much to deal with the real life implications and drama of dealing with a drunk 19 year old who gets into a car accident, is throwing up in the toilet next to her parents room after going out with me, or after she gets picked up by the campus police and tells them she got drunk after a night out with me.

Might as well get it out of the way up front. Besides, the rate at which new pots sign up makes dealing with ones that might put me at risk a stupid proposition. Speaking of which, the holidays are coming up. Which means the tide of the bowl will be flowing strong in just a few weeks. New pots will be signing up like crazy.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2682441]The youngest SB I went out with was 20 so not really a big deal. In fact, a few times I took her out and she didn't get carded when ordering drinks. The 18-21 have lower expectations, so are a bit cheaper and less needy. They can get attached or clingy because no matter how little you're spending it's more than her 22 yr old boyfriend. I found the young ones are more inclined to BBBJ or BB FC on first date. I had fun with them, but I felt 23-27 was the right mix for maturity and being fun natured. I stay away from girls that have serious financial needs. SB's that are students and looking for fun money or much more care-free and fun than a 28 SB trying to make rent and struggling to keep her cell phone paid.[/QUOTE]

All good policies.

Wish I could pull off a lobby m&g to the FC, but my game doesn't allow for that. I am not at that level yet.

[QUOTE=Krill;2682326]I personally have never encountered this. I also don't do M&G. First meet is always at the FC. Maybe the lobby of the hotel to meet and see if their is a 'connection (LOL), but then after 15 minutes it's up to the room. Sometimes they joke about 420 or drinking. I always tell them to do whatever they want before they see me. But no smoking or drinking in the room.

I haven't had an issue yet. Obviously everyone's experiences will be different.[/QUOTE]

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I'm new to this forum, but been around. Decided I was going to dig into the SB thing and started some conversations with a few SB's. Some looked really good. Found one that was up for a M&G and I sent her my # so we could text. Burner layered with GV. As soon as I received her number I googled it. Nothing. I then went to my number one source for cell lookups and get her name and came back with an address. A bit more searching on the address and I found both her married and former name, as well as a flag for some convictions.

Digging into some public records she's been busted a few times for DWI, says she lives nearby (which maybe true now) but the convictions were in far off counties. Needless to say, she wanted to meet and I now know she's on a suspended, limited use license and a car with a breath lock.

Needless to say, do your homework and be careful out there. Glad I spent a few extra minutes doing some research before the M&G.

I was scheduled to meet this girl after one failed attempt. 10 minutes before we were supposed to meet, I am driving by the way, she texted me to say that she can't meet.

Because she was feeling ill. What the fuck!! I hate this bitches sometimes.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2682288]So I'd like to have a FB page set up for the Bowl as I think it adds credibility to those who might look. Now I see FB seems to have restrictions in place that weren't there when I set up a Monger FB page years ago. I went through the sign up process and did the phone verification bit, using the burner phone and GV #. No hitches there. THEN FB wants me to upload Gubmint issued Photo ID to confirm identity? WTF!

Did I F up the process some how? Is there some way around this?

Now I still have the Monger FB page, but only access that through Privacy Browser. That shows a different IP address from the IP address when using FF or Chrome.

Any guidance from one more techno savvy? Thanks![/QUOTE]Don't take this the wrong way because I don't think this is what you are looking for, but putting the idea of Facebook into ANY sort of context, hobby or otherwise, which requires any level of privacy, is a very bad idea.

The whole point to FB is identifying people, tracking them in ways that most folks will not even begin to realize (forget IP addresses and cookies, there's a lot more to it than that but suffice it to say that there are a lot of ways to identify you).

Invasion of privacy is central to Facebook's business model -- it is what they do. Aside from using a fake account to look up SBs and such, I would stay far away from mixing that and the bowl in any way shape or form if you need anonymity/privacy.

On the other hand if you're a single SD that doesn't mind hooking up using your real name don't mind the whole world knowing what you're doing / not doing anything illegal, there's plenty of pussy to be had on FB.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2683686]Don't take this the wrong way because I don't think this is what you are looking for, but putting the idea of Facebook into ANY sort of context, hobby or otherwise, which requires any level of privacy, is a very bad idea.

The whole point to FB is identifying people, tracking them in ways that most folks will not even begin to realize (forget IP addresses and cookies, there's a lot more to it than that but suffice it to say that there are a lot of ways to identify you).

Invasion of privacy is central to Facebook's business model -- it is what they do. Aside from using a fake account to look up SBs and such, I would stay far away from mixing that and the bowl in any way shape or form if you need anonymity/privacy.

On the other hand if you're a single SD that doesn't mind hooking up using your real name don't mind the whole world knowing what you're doing / not doing anything illegal, there's plenty of pussy to be had on FB.[/QUOTE]

I hear ya. But the FB account I have now is fake. Fake name, monger email addy, monger phone. I only posted a few obscure pics that no one would be able to ID me from, pics that are used no where else on the web. I don't run around and "like" anything. So my FB account is pretty barren. On purpose.

But the account allows me to search SBs and others (numbers, email addys) which is an essential part of the "tool kit" in my estimation.

But I need to dump everything and start over. Just got an upgraded monger phone and the old number will get trashed and in 6-months GV will reassign it! I got a new GV number to use going forward with my new burner phone. Didn't need any I'd to set up the burner phone and will pay cash for refills.

Seems like there ought to be a way to register the "new" monger FB account?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2683737]I hear ya. But the FB account I have now is fake. Fake name, monger email addy, monger phone. I only posted a few obscure pics that no one would be able to ID me from, pics that are used no where else on the web. I don't run around and "like" anything. So my FB account is pretty barren. On purpose.

But the account allows me to search SBs and others (numbers, email addys) which is an essential part of the "tool kit" in my estimation.

But I need to dump everything and start over. Just got an upgraded monger phone and the old number will get trashed and in 6-months GV will reassign it! I got a new GV number to use going forward with my new burner phone. Didn't need any I'd to set up the burner phone and will pay cash for refills.

Seems like there ought to be a way to register the "new" monger FB account?[/QUOTE]Yeah a fake account to search with is fine, I was referring to the act of creating a groups or any other form of interacting (friending / liking etc). FB has elaborate internal facial recognition technology, so if your face was remotely visible in any of the previously uploaded photos they likely will be able to link you conclusively to the new account if you add new photos. If the pictures were taken with the same device, they will know easily, probably flagged as part of the upload process. If you log in from the same physical device, they will know (even with best efforts like Tor). If those devices have ever been signed into a Google or Apple account, they may potentially know. The very processor in the device used for either taking photos or logging into Facebook can be linked back to you personally (although I'm not sure how easy that would be for them to do). Most of this stuff is not really anything anyone should be concerned about if they aren't engaging in anything too sketchy, but some or all of the things I have covered here (and believe me there is a lot more) can be used to detect duplicate accounts, and it sounds like that's what you're running into, simple duplicate prevention. Tor might help to an extent for anonymizing IP, as would private VPN services but it won't bypass a lot of the identification techniques available these days.

I used to be super nice to pots, regardless of how irritated I was because they stood me up, tried to rinse me, etc. The advice on this forum was to be nice since you never know if that pot might eventually come around.

I've become less nice when a pot is rude, flakes, or tries to rinse me. Nowadays, I am more firm than anything else. I've found that it doesn't matter with the ones that would have never seen me, but that being firm is pretty effective for the submissive types who just need some discipline.

Besides, at the rate new girls are signing up, and with the holidays around the corner, its about to get very busy for all of us.

Just my two cents and what has been effective for me.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2683639]I was scheduled to meet this girl after one failed attempt. 10 minutes before we were supposed to meet, I am driving by the way, she texted me to say that she can't meet.

Because she was feeling ill. What the fuck!! I hate this bitches sometimes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2683639]I was scheduled to meet this girl after one failed attempt. 10 minutes before we were supposed to meet, I am driving by the way, she texted me to say that she can't meet.

Because she was feeling ill. What the fuck!! I hate this bitches sometimes.[/QUOTE]Here, I think I can one up you. Just fucking tonight. Now the past couple of days I've been texting with a new POT about 21, and local to me, which is a huge plus. Really difficult to find local. Anyway we hit it off great. She's was really cool, easy to talk to, and seemed to be very accommodating. She wanted to meet soon, so yesterday I set up a meet and she flaked. No text to cancel or anything. Her excuse was she fell asleep on the couch. So this morning she gets back to me and apologizes and wants to meet today or tonight, so I set it up for tonight at 7:30. A caveat to report is that my 31 yo baby came to my house about 1:30 for a FC session. Now she is reliable as hell. I got my workout in and stopped by my go to stripper bar to see a 22 yo girl there who is seriously considering my baby offer. But I digress. I text the new 21 yo POT to confirm our meeting and nothing back. So by 7 pm I reach out to an old 23 yr old baby, who reached out to me after about two months, after I fired her for being flaky. She was sorry and blah blah, so I thought maybe she grew up a little and found out she had it pretty good while she was with me. I actually had something set up for tomorrow, because this new POT I already had plans with. So I reach out to the 23 yo, and she accepts for tonight. I text on when to come pick her up, because she shares a car with her roommate. Nothing. No reply. Just went silent. So I got flaked on twice in one night. Motha Fucker. This shit so pisses me off when these young cunts pull this shit. Now I'm going to head back to the strip club, so that is where my night will end.

I hate flakes.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2684110]Here, I think I can one up you. Just fucking tonight. Now the past couple of days I've been texting with a new POT about 21, and local to me, which is a huge plus. Really difficult to find local. Anyway we hit it off great. She's was really cool, easy to talk to, and seemed to be very accommodating. She wanted to meet soon, so yesterday I set up a meet and she flaked. No text to cancel or anything. Her excuse was she fell asleep on the couch. So this morning she gets back to me and apologizes and wants to meet today or tonight, so I set it up for tonight at 7:30. A caveat to report is that my 31 yo baby came to my house about 1:30 for a FC session. Now she is reliable as hell. I got my workout in and stopped by my go to stripper bar to see a 22 yo girl there who is seriously considering my baby offer. But I digress. I text the new 21 yo POT to confirm our meeting and nothing back. So by 7 pm I reach out to an old 23 yr old baby, who reached out to me after about two months, after I fired her for being flaky. She was sorry and blah blah, so I thought maybe she grew up a little and found out she had it pretty good while she was with me. I actually had something set up for tomorrow, because this new POT I already had plans with. So I reach out to the 23 yo, and she accepts for tonight. I text on when to come pick her up, because she shares a car with her roommate. Nothing. No reply. Just went silent. So I got flaked on twice in one night. Motha Fucker. This shit so pisses me off when these young cunts pull this shit. Now I'm going to head back to the strip club, so that is where my night will end.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2683749]Yeah a fake account to search with is fine, I was referring to the act of creating a groups or any other form of interacting (friending / liking etc). FB has elaborate internal facial recognition technology, so if your face was remotely visible in any of the previously uploaded photos they likely will be able to link you conclusively to the new account if you add new photos. If the pictures were taken with the same device, they will know easily, probably flagged as part of the upload process. If you log in from the same physical device, they will know (even with best efforts like Tor). If those devices have ever been signed into a Google or Apple account, they may potentially know. The very processor in the device used for either taking photos or logging into Facebook can be linked back to you personally (although I'm not sure how easy that would be for them to do). Most of this stuff is not really anything anyone should be concerned about if they aren't engaging in anything too sketchy, but some or all of the things I have covered here (and believe me there is a lot more) can be used to detect duplicate accounts, and it sounds like that's what you're running into, simple duplicate prevention. Tor might help to an extent for anonymizing IP, as would private VPN services but it won't bypass a lot of the identification techniques available these days.[/QUOTE]First off. Facial recognition. I NEVER put a real picture of me out there in cyberspace when it comes to any form of Mongering. The pictures I do share are dude I gave found thousands of miles away. Never had a girl complain that what showed up was different (worse) that what was sent. I have taken shots of me and shots of some other dude and used one of those merge programs that gives a composite. It looks enough like me, but enough different.

Now when setting up the new account, I had no pictures posted yet! Can't get into it yet!

As far as the "stuff" that is attached to a photo in the background. I always copy part of the image from the original and paste it into a Paint of something and save it as a different file type (for example jpeg vs bmp).

Yeah, I know that nothing on line is ever truly anonymous. But as a buddy told me (he was a cop then a public defender) if the system wants to find you, they will find you! But he said the resources required to do that are so great it outweighs the value on a case that is a misdemeanor.

So from what you appear to be saying. There is no way to set up a fake FB account, since the computer internals will alert FB to a duplicate account?