"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2678578]Is it possible to stay anonymous to the host?[/QUOTE]I don't think you want Airbnb for this. The whole system is really geared toward the very opposite of anonymity, giving the property owner peace of mind that there is some accountability to the folks they rent to and providing a technological twist on traditional reference checks. It kind of makes sense if you think about it -- how many property owners want random people with no accountability/traceability staying in their homes?

The other challenge is that in a lot of cities, residentially zoned rentals are only allowed if someone lives in the residence at the same time. So, it would be a problem when you're banging an SB and she's screaming "Yeah! Fuck me like that!" At the top of her lungs: something that's does happen and is perfectly acceptable, for reasons I can't fully explain, in a hotel room but not so much in someone's house that can review you as a guest online.

Hotels really are your best bet for anonymity, because of their privacy policies for handling guests. Yes you have to let THEM know who you are but they are trained as professionals never to reveal to others (except maybe to LEO with a warrant) anything about you. Someone mentioned something about showing the guests name on the TV -- I have not seen this done myself so I hope that's not an emerging trend. If it is just keep her away from the TV.

One thing you could potentially try if you're the adventurous type -- sign up for Airbnb and look for a single guy that looks cool and is maybe just renting a room in a cheap apartment, then tell him straight up privately that you're kind of a player and need a discrete place to bring your trophies. You never know, you might find something workable here out of sheer camaraderie, especially if he needs the money and/or isn't in his place much (i.e. is trying to sublet it). This of course does not guarantee he would never tell any of your girls who you are if they come knocking. He might do anything to get in their pants when you're not around. That's the real risk of AirBnB I think.

[QUOTE=RubberyMan;2680161]First of all, what you do with your own money is your business. You can feed it to a furnace for fun if that's what floats your boat.

While it is true that if you want to drive a better car then you generally have to pay more, that is often not the case in p4 p, and definitely not the case in the sugar bowl as anyone who has been doing it for any time will agree. In fact, some of the best performances can come at lower prices, while poor performance can come from higher prices. That is, while you do get a better car for more $, it is often the case that you get worse performance for more $ in p4 p and the bowl. This is because that coed who needs to make rent tomorrow, or else, is a lot more motivated than someone who just needs an extra pair of designer shoes. Unless you think that someone wanting another luxury item is somehow going to be more motivated than someone needing rent in order to keep a roof over the head.

Of course, by all means, if you absolutely have to have a particular woman, and no other will do, then pretty obviously you pay what she asks, and that's a bargain for you. Great. But most likely, the next guy she negotiates with will laugh in disbelief and she will too, and give just as good a performance for him at a fraction of the cost.

Finally, I do agree that guys here seem more worried than they should about some guys "overpaying". Personally, I think it is the stories of guys overpaying that brings most girls to the site, and the stories of some chumps being circulated amongst them is a good thing. The sugar bowl is like a lottery for them. In a lottery, most get nothing, quite a few get small returns, a couple do well and one in a million hit the jackpot. In the bowl, most don't even get an inquiry, most have to be happy with $- inly a very few hit the jackpot. But, here's the important point, just like in a lottery, it is the hope of winning the big one that keeps them trying, and the noise from the occasional win keeps them hanging in there.

So, I rather say thanks to those guys who pay more than they need to. It is their sacrifice that keeps women flocking here.[/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=RubberyMan;2680161]First of all, what you do with your own money is your business. You can feed it to a furnace for fun if that's what floats your boat.

So, I rather say thanks to those guys who pay more than they need to. It is their sacrifice that keeps women flocking here.[/QUOTE]Amen! Two points:

1) Thanks to all contributors -and specifically Starkey today, for sharing your experiences.

2) Money talks and is easy as a differentiator among men.

If an SD has a boat load of Money and has no problem throwing it around, he will do so--and will get most women on the board that he wants--but he can't fuck them all -at least at one time. Therefore when hottie ABC is getting paid $$$ to see Daddy Bux, the rest of us have dozens of girls who are out there needing some love who are not busy enough. Even though I do not want the BP / CL girl who is banging 10 guys / day, a lot of them are also on SA pretending to be an SB, and that's what we inadvertently get anyway. Nothing wrong with Hos, but if you want a low volume girl high dollar allowances are not going to guarantee that. That's why Hos are on SA -to get bigger paydays at a lower risk of capture.

The other thing about high allowances. Some SDs are not attractive or appealing to the girls, and must pay more to get in the game. And some girls will not sell themselves for a price below a magic number that justifies their behavior for them.

In the end I think most of us have a budget to stick to, and like to get a deal that allows us to see the girls we want to see.

Heck! At least it will get me into the Guiness Book of World Records. Apparently her car is in her mother's name and she had stopped making the payments. I was about to "get in" when a car alarm goes off and my babe runs to the window and sees that her car is being towed!

She went out and I saw her on the phone but was not successful in keeping her car. You can imagine how it must have been when she came back in anyway I said "Let's finish what we started and then I will take you home" and she finished me off with her mouth and hands no CIM.

I thought the parent-child relationship could be relied upon I. E. Parents will not shaft their own but after this (mother did not care to tell her about the car payments) I have to conclude that we are all truly on our own!

According to the SB she deposited the requisite funds in her parents bank account but how did the car dealer know where the car was? Is my car being tracked too! Even though it is paid for? I wonder how she is going to explain the place where the car was repoed!

Lesson for me is stay away from the young <30 ones who are willing to meet for 200 as they are nando since SBs in that age group in Raleigh-Durham expect 500.

You cannot buy a car on credit from a used car dealer without a tracker being installed, and it will tell not only where the car is, but it gives and history every 20 minutes of the cars life. On some they install several. Trackers are cheap, $100, and it protects the collateral. If you don't go demand the tracker be removed when the car is paid off, it will be trackable until the tracker dies. I suspect that even new car loans come with a tracker on everyone that is not a high 700 beacon score financing through a credit union or bank.

I'm impressed you got her to finish anything after that.

[QUOTE=RubberyMan;2680161]First of all, what you do with your own money is your business. You can feed it to a furnace for fun if that's what floats your boat.

While it is true that if you want to drive a better car then you generally have to pay more, that is often not the case in p4 p, and definitely not the case in the sugar bowl as anyone who has been doing it for any time will agree. In fact, some of the best performances can come at lower prices, while poor performance can come from higher prices. That is, while you do get a better car for more $, it is often the case that you get worse performance for more $ in p4 p and the bowl. This is because that coed who needs to make rent tomorrow, or else, is a lot more motivated than someone who just needs an extra pair of designer shoes. Unless you think that someone wanting another luxury item is somehow going to be more motivated than someone needing rent in order to keep a roof over the head.

Of course, by all means, if you absolutely have to have a particular woman, and no other will do, then pretty obviously you pay what she asks, and that's a bargain for you. Great. But most likely, the next guy she negotiates with will laugh in disbelief and she will too, and give just as good a performance for him at a fraction of the cost.

Finally, I do agree that guys here seem more worried than they should about some guys "overpaying". Personally, I think it is the stories of guys overpaying that brings most girls to the site, and the stories of some chumps being circulated amongst them is a good thing. The sugar bowl is like a lottery for them. In a lottery, most get nothing, quite a few get small returns, a couple do well and one in a million hit the jackpot. In the bowl, most don't even get an inquiry, most have to be happy with $- inly a very few hit the jackpot. But, here's the important point, just like in a lottery, it is the hope of winning the big one that keeps them trying, and the noise from the occasional win keeps them hanging in there.

So, I rather say thanks to those guys who pay more than they need to. It is their sacrifice that keeps women flocking here.[/QUOTE]Rub. I guess I'm glad I can be of service. You're right, paying a higher amount is no guarantee that the performance will be better. And maybe you are getting exactly the same service for less money. But maybe not. I've been around for a while too (my posts go back 7 years), and I think I do a pretty good job of profiling POTs in the M&G. I haven't been disappointed yet. But how can you be sure that insisting on negotiating a lower price right off the bat doesn't impact the SB's impression of you and her attitude toward your meetings? If you have to negotiate for financial reasons, or if winning a negotiation with a 20 year old college student gives you a rise, go for it. You're right, some of them may be desperate and feel like they have to take your offer. But I think it's naive to think that might not impact the service, reliability and loyalty you get. Besides, I don't think I pay too much (especially compared to other options in this area) and I have enjoyed my experiences. To each his own.

Stark.

[QUOTE=RubberyMan;2680161]First of all, what you do with your own money is your business. You can feed it to a furnace for fun if that's what floats your boat.

While it is true that if you want to drive a better car then you generally have to pay more, that is often not the case in p4 p, and definitely not the case in the sugar bowl as anyone who has been doing it for any time will agree. In fact, some of the best performances can come at lower prices, while poor performance can come from higher prices. That is, while you do get a better car for more $, it is often the case that you get worse performance for more $ in p4 p and the bowl. This is because that coed who needs to make rent tomorrow, or else, is a lot more motivated than someone who just needs an extra pair of designer shoes. Unless you think that someone wanting another luxury item is somehow going to be more motivated than someone needing rent in order to keep a roof over the head.

Of course, by all means, if you absolutely have to have a particular woman, and no other will do, then pretty obviously you pay what she asks, and that's a bargain for you. Great. But most likely, the next guy she negotiates with will laugh in disbelief and she will too, and give just as good a performance for him at a fraction of the cost.

Finally, I do agree that guys here seem more worried than they should about some guys "overpaying". Personally, I think it is the stories of guys overpaying that brings most girls to the site, and the stories of some chumps being circulated amongst them is a good thing. The sugar bowl is like a lottery for them. In a lottery, most get nothing, quite a few get small returns, a couple do well and one in a million hit the jackpot. In the bowl, most don't even get an inquiry, most have to be happy with $- inly a very few hit the jackpot. But, here's the important point, just like in a lottery, it is the hope of winning the big one that keeps them trying, and the noise from the occasional win keeps them hanging in there.

So, I rather say thanks to those guys who pay more than they need to. It is their sacrifice that keeps women flocking here.[/QUOTE]Rub. I guess I'm glad I can be of service. You're right, paying a higher amount is no guarantee that the performance will be better. And maybe you are getting exactly the same service for less money. But maybe not. I've been around for a while too (my posts go back 7 years), and I think I do a pretty good job of profiling POTs in the M&G. Frankly, I try to avoid SBs that give off too strong a desperation vibe. To me, those women are just trouble waiting to happen. And so far, I haven't been disappointed or run into any crazy flakes. But how can you be sure that insisting on negotiating a lower price right off the bat doesn't negatively impact the SB's impression of you and her attitude toward your meetings? If you have to negotiate for financial reasons, or if winning a negotiation with a 20 year old college student gives you a rise, go for it. You're right, some of them may be desperate and feel like they have to take your offer. But I think it's naive to think that might not impact the service, reliability and loyalty you get in return. Besides, I don't think I pay too much (especially compared to other options in this area) and I have enjoyed my experiences. To each his own.

Stark.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2681240]You cannot buy a car on credit from a used car dealer without a tracker being installed, and it will tell not only where the car is, but it gives and history every 20 minutes of the cars life. On some they install several. Trackers are cheap, $100, and it protects the collateral...[/QUOTE]Now I have to make sure there is no such thing on my car otherwise I am sitting duck with the missus! So how do I detect the presence of a tracker on my car? Bought it used for cash from a new car dealer.

First off, got to agree with Rubbery, FM, and other contributors. If a guy can drop a $$ $$ $$ $$ a date, more power to him. Besides the laws of economics always apply. The higher the amounts some guys pay, the more pots come into the bowl. When more pots come into the bowl, allowances for guys who aren't willing to pay those amounts goes down.

As for the quality of the time spent together, I've found that the actual allowance doesn't matter so much as the your ability to connect with a pot. I've also found that the better you connect with a pot, the lower the allowance requirements tend to be. Of course the exceptions that I've found to this rule tend to be the UTRs and the pros.

Also, I got to say though, my experience with negotiating backwards is completely different than yours. I've played in different cities and regions, but maybe its a Richmond thing? Every time I start at an allowance, it only goes up from there. I think I remember HWG saying the same thing.

Sure, once a girl gets to the FC and realizes that your not a creep, its easy a piece of cake to get there again, but every time I've even tried to go lower than the original allowance, its ends things quickly. I've found that most women tie their worth to the allowance you provide. If you start decreasing the amount you originally agreed for an allowance, I've found that they equate it to you telling them that you value them less than when you first met them.

Just my experience and two cents though.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2679550]Rub. I agree but if you read the threads on this board you see guys constantly begging everyone to negotiate down to a certain range so that all the SBs stay in their price range. Sorry, but I'm not working with your interest in mind. In RVA, the halfway decent BP girls get $ - $. 50 for half an hour. The top end agency girls and independents get $$. 50 - $$ 50 for an hour and won't do a half. So for a couple of hours with a girl who is 20 or younger, hot, smart, clean, GFE and fun to be with (not just bone) it seems to me that $$ - $$$ is a pretty good deal. I wouldn't pay more than that, and I have negotiated with a couple of them, but hard-core negotiating up front just seems like a negative to me. If you want to drive a Mercedes you pay for a Mercedes. Some guys have mentioned starting at a lower price and then moving up but I find that it is much easier to move the sugar down after the first FC encounter. At that point, many of the risks and unknowns have been removed. An SB who knows that you are not a creep, not a freak and just a regular guy that they don't mind spending time with is much more willing to be flexible with their sugar requirements.[/QUOTE]

First off, I got to say I agree with you. Sugar for sugar is my number one rule. Got to say though, one of my new regulars in my rotation has been telling me stories of guys send email gift cards to her to coax her to the m&g. She has no reason to lie to me since we already have an understanding in place. She thought it was awesome when she ended up cancelling the m&g because of something that came up, and then the guy sent her a pretty big gift card. Presumably to get her to meet up and not cancel again. She told me that she was contemplating whether she should set up another m&g and then cancel last minute to see if he would do it again.

Hey, if you have it like that, then more power to you.

[QUOTE=Graham111;2679379]Just one big one. Sugar for sugar. The sugar flows when the panties hit the floor.

Interesting discussion on advances. Agree with Hoya. It depends on chemistry and the SB. I had a visit scheduled with SB 25 and had to cancel. Turned out she was going on vacation and needed the $$. She had told me about vacation previously. I offered the advance and met her at a quick stop for the exchange. Heard from her as soon as she returned and received a stellar performance. But have been burned as well so it goes both ways.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2679235]Guys, are there rules you set for the SB when you are drafting the arrangement before the FC? If yes, what are they? How you bring your message through to them?[/QUOTE]The Bowl is a confidence game. I make no specific rules on sugar amounts. If anything I'd say there will be sugar based on performance and the amounts will vary. I make sure to let them know they're dealing with a winner and not to fret over a payday. Be good to me and I'll be good to you.

The main thing that makes SB dating entertaining is getting to the psychology of these girls. Once you break that down a lot of these girls can be yours for life. That's when the real rules come in. Fun times!

"Every time I start at an allowance, it only goes up from there. I think I remember HWG saying the same thing. " Smelly.

Currently have a borderline performer and have negotiated a lower allowance. I need to cut the play budget and opted to take a risk that she would bolt. But in the end, I am comfortable but satisfaction is barely adequate, so if I lose her I can probably find a better one. She might look to add more SDs to make up the difference--and might have been doing that anyway. Who ever knows that when seeing someone once / week? M&Gs are a big risk for me, so I tend to take what I can get if there is any attraction.

The bottom line -satisfaction depends on the quality of care one's SB provides. If she makes herself indispensable by blowing your mind every visit, then most of us will go out of our way to make her happy and keep her in the rotation. Sex is sex even with a 10/10 ,but if they get into your mind it is much better.

So I'd like to have a FB page set up for the Bowl as I think it adds credibility to those who might look. Now I see FB seems to have restrictions in place that weren't there when I set up a Monger FB page years ago. I went through the sign up process and did the phone verification bit, using the burner phone and GV #. No hitches there. THEN FB wants me to upload Gubmint issued Photo ID to confirm identity? WTF!

Did I F up the process some how? Is there some way around this?

Now I still have the Monger FB page, but only access that through Privacy Browser. That shows a different IP address from the IP address when using FF or Chrome.

Any guidance from one more techno savvy? Thanks!

So my age range that I like is between the 18-25/26 yr old pots / babies. Increasingly I'm finding that the ones that are under 21 want me to either provide them alcohol or order it for them when we are out.

I've always refused in the past, but a few recent dates that were supposed to go to the FC have ended badly because of it. A date this past weekend ended quickly when I told the pot not to use her fake is when she was out with me.

From my perspective, my career and real life are too important to risk dealing with issues like this. Out of curiosity, are others dealing with the same issue? Guess I just need to increase my age range to stop having to deal with these issues, and it would save me the headache of the flakiness that comes with the younger ones.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2682308]So my age range that I like is between the 18-25/26 yr old pots / babies. Increasingly I'm finding that the ones that are under 21 want me to either provide them alcohol or order it for them when we are out.

I've always refused in the past, but a few recent dates that were supposed to go to the FC have ended badly because of it. A date this past weekend ended quickly when I told the pot not to use her fake is when she was out with me.

From my perspective, my career and real life are too important to risk dealing with issues like this. Out of curiosity, are others dealing with the same issue? Guess I just need to increase my age range to stop having to deal with these issues, and it would save me the headache of the flakiness that comes with the younger ones.[/QUOTE]I personally have never encountered this. I also don't do M&G. First meet is always at the FC. Maybe the lobby of the hotel to meet and see if their is a 'connection (LOL), but then after 15 minutes it's up to the room. Sometimes they joke about 420 or drinking. I always tell them to do whatever they want before they see me. But no smoking or drinking in the room.

I haven't had an issue yet. Obviously everyone's experiences will be different.