"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2672991]One hotel insisted that the name in photo I'd match the name on the reservation. Some of them make a copy of the I'd.[/QUOTE]Yeah, there's no way around that one. I book online with my real name and then show them my driver's license. I don't recall ever having anyone do more than glance at the names to make sure they match. And of course I pay cash. As has been said many times here, any divorce lawyer worth his salt would make short work of these little subterfuges, but if things come to that, you're screwed anyway. The goal is to be as under the radar as possible, but a microscope is another thing entirely. No one can be totally invisible unless you get a fake ID. Anyone have experience with that?

I have a SO, and so based on that logic, my Karma would be in the toilet the day I started playing in the bowl.

If I break plans or reschedule, I generally give plenty of notice for the date to find other plans. My definition of a flake is when someone pulls a last minute bailout without warning.

What annoyed me about the situation was that not only did she previously agree to a FC trip after a dinner date, but she confirmed during dinner, which caused me to book the hotel and then changed her mind after 10 minutes.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2669405]A bird in the hand, is worth two in the Bush???

But hey who was flaky to start with, canceling a date with one girl to chase another? Maybe Karma caught up with ya?

I'm just sayin'.[/QUOTE]

Guys.

Sorry if this was answered before. I am trying to get back and was wondering if SA membership can be purchased using VISA gift card? Don't remember it. If SA allows VISA prepaid card.

KG.

I prefer the vanilla visa from Walmart. Low fee, no maintenance fees. Load once with $500 (max amount) and total fee is 1% (4. 95 activation).

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2673439]Guys.

Sorry if this was answered before. I am trying to get back and was wondering if SA membership can be purchased using VISA gift card? Don't remember it. If SA allows VISA prepaid card.

KG.[/QUOTE]

I got suckered into advancing the sugar for 2 future meetings to a nando type SB during the first meet and trip to FC. The next day she wanted more to pay her rent at which point I blocked her #.

Should I contact her and ask for the 2 meets? Or is it a lost cause.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2673601]I got suckered into advancing the sugar for 2 future meetings to a nando type SB during the first meet and trip to FC. The next day she wanted more to pay her rent at which point I blocked her #.

Should I contact her and ask for the 2 meets? Or is it a lost cause.[/QUOTE]That sounds like a costly lesson. If you contact her, you'll just sound whiny. She'll probably respond by trying to squeeze more from you. You could wait till she contacts you, and make it clear that after she comes good with her part of the deal, there's more money to be had, but till then, terribly sorry. No honey, no money.

Or, failing that, you could just post a link to her, letting the rest of us know who to avoid. If she is scamming, there's plenty of others she's probably rinsing too! If you post a link, and she starts getting less and less takings, maybe she'll reform. Maybe.

Otoh, there's plenty of fish in the sea.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2673601]I got suckered into advancing the sugar for 2 future meetings to a nando type SB during the first meet and trip to FC. The next day she wanted more to pay her rent at which point I blocked her #.

Should I contact her and ask for the 2 meets? Or is it a lost cause.[/QUOTE]I have done it twice, both times with girls I had been seeing a while, one made good and the other did not, thought to be fair she offered a "payback session" at one point and I decided to let it ride for a while because she needed the money. Eventually we stopped seeing each other because we just got too busy and I never got paid back, but I wasn't too upset. Wouldn't do it on a brand new girl, and have told several that.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2673601]I got suckered into advancing the sugar for 2 future meetings to a nando type SB during the first meet and trip to FC. The next day she wanted more to pay her rent at which point I blocked her #.
Should I contact her and ask for the 2 meets? Or is it a lost cause.[/QUOTE]

I'm 100% on advances being lost. Give her one chance to provide service for the prepayment. If she doesn't respond or says no tell her that you are going to report her -and put her info up here and report her to SA. Then move on. Use it as a learning experience not to EVER advance one $ again. They look so angelic but that pussy is singing her siren song to draw you in to the Sugar dance-at your expense.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2673601]I got suckered into advancing the sugar for 2 future meetings to a nando type SB during the first meet and trip to FC. The next day she wanted more to pay her rent at which point I blocked her #.

Should I contact her and ask for the 2 meets? Or is it a lost cause.[/QUOTE]I'm 100% on advances being lost. Give her one chance to provide service for the prepayment. If she doesn't respond or says no tell her that you are going to report her -and put her info up here and report her to SA. Then move on. Use it as a learning experience not to EVER advance one $ again. They look so angelic and that pussy is singing her siren song to draw you in to the Sugar dance-at your expense.

I'm a carrot kind of guy. Why block her? You already shelled out the money. Unless you think she will rob or extort you, then why not use incentives to get her to make good.

Unless you're problem is not having enough time to see all the sbs and pots you have lined up, then I would provide future incentives that would force her to make good on her promise. She went to the FC with you once, and assuming you can convince her that she will get an additional allowance once she makes good on her promise, then you should be good. After she makes good on her promise, you can decide if you want to follow through with any additional incentives.

He who holds the gold, makes the rules.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2673601]I got suckered into advancing the sugar for 2 future meetings to a nando type SB during the first meet and trip to FC. The next day she wanted more to pay her rent at which point I blocked her #.

Should I contact her and ask for the 2 meets? Or is it a lost cause.[/QUOTE]

Thanks every one here to contribute to such an interesting topic.

I started to learn from you guys now by reading the previous messages. And just curious when a POT asked you how much can you give her per date or monthly allowance before the first meet. What do you tell her? I am afraid the number too low will piss her off and never have ameeting st up.

But too high was also a no no for me. What does she looks like and how we click. So really a dilemma. Just see what you guys thinking.

I rarely if ever discuss allowance via message or prior to the meet. Your expectation amount let's her know what you can provide generally. Getting her to the meet is an important part of breaking the ice.

I've found that once there, you have a much better shot at getting to the FC, at a reasonable allowance.

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2674229]Thanks every one here to contribute to such an interesting topic.

I started to learn from you guys now by reading the previous messages. And just curious when a POT asked you how much can you give her per date or monthly allowance before the first meet. What do you tell her? I am afraid the number too low will piss her off and never have ameeting st up.

But too high was also a no no for me. What does she looks like and how we click. So really a dilemma. Just see what you guys thinking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2674238]I rarely if ever discuss allowance via message or prior to the meet. Your expectation amount let's her know what you can provide generally. Getting her to the meet is an important part of breaking the ice.

I've found that once there, you have a much better shot at getting to the FC, at a reasonable allowance.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot with the suggestion. I will try it next time. But what are a general range for a 19-25 yo hotties? Is 200/ date reasonable?

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2674376]Thanks a lot with the suggestion. I will try it next time. But what are a general range for a 19-25 yo hotties? Is 200/ date reasonable?[/QUOTE]Reasonable is in the eyes of the beholder. $150 to 250 / visit is a fair range in central Va. Girls are looking for a lot more in some urban areas. I've never had any problem staying busy, you just can't fall in love with the hottie with GPS -let them go. OF course it all depends on your age, appearance, fitness, etc. The girls will go lower if you have redeeming qualities.

FM is on point. The answer is that it depends. I've gone to the FC for free with a hot young Asian after the m&g, bareback, access to all holes, and then a bbbjnqns to finish the job. I've m&ged with ladies who used pictures from 10 years and 20 lbs ago who expected an allowance as a part of the m&g.

These are of course extreme outliers, but region has a huge impact on expectations. NYC and DC pots often want double the amount you're proposing if they're young and hot. Based on HWGs former posts, the ladies on the west coast expected a quarter of what some of the hot nyc and dc pots are looking for.

Check out a local board on your region for expectations that are in line with where you are. Alternatively, if your area doesn't have a local board, let folks on this thread know where you play and I'm sure you'll get some advice.

Lastly, timing also plays a role in expectations. I've found that the start of a new semester and the holidays often drives up an imbalance in the SDs favor. Lots of young ladies need allowance for gifts, school, books, etc during these times, which means many more are looking for a SD. Simple economic rules of supply and demand apply to the sugar bowl as well.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2674480]Reasonable is in the eyes of the beholder. $150 to 250 / visit is a fair range in central Va. Girls are looking for a lot more in some urban areas. I've never had any problem staying busy, you just can't fall in love with the hottie with GPS -let them go. OF course it all depends on your age, appearance, fitness, etc. The girls will go lower if you have redeeming qualities.[/QUOTE]