"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2670087]Expensive hobby? When I compare it to being married, then no I don't believe so. Having said that it's all in a budget you can afford.

I've never caught anything, but I'll use protection too, unless it is an established baby who I know stays clean. As far as pregnancy I had a Vsec about seven years ago. No worries for me in that regard.

I've never come close to feeling like a girl would blackmail me. Well, wait. There is one stripper who caught wind of my business, who has potential to screw with me. Hasn't yet. She's not from SA anyway. I can say most all the girls on the site need a little help in life, so there isn't much incentive to bite the hand that could feed them.

I'm having the time of my life on SA. I recommend it if you want to spice things up.

There is an index below this thread that has information compiled over several years. Really helpful information from approaching these women to discreet hotel stays, and how to sift through the UTR's, Pros, and Nando's.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mike. Appreciate the info- good points. Yeah I've already gone through a bunch of the index- which was well done by the way. I'll have to read more on how to avoid pros. I recognized one already on there- I'm sure there are more. I'm not married so I can't relate to the costs of that. There are just so many hot women on that site- it's unreal- it's also the complete opposite of a normal dating site in that men (sugar daddies) are in more demand & hot women are in much less demand. I could see myself going through whatever budget I set real quick since I live in an expensive metro area & also if I was like some of you guys- seeing several gals a week- which is freakin awesome by the way haha! SA reminds me of when I visited Spearmint Rhino in Vegas- that place was very expensive but was like heaven! Wall to wall models.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2669641]The problem was I had to give out my burn number before receiving enough clues to figure out who #2 and #3 really were and had to ignore alot of text and calls before they got the point.[/QUOTE]That is why I layer a Google Voice number on top of the burner phone. A girl gets too obnoxious or irritating, I just used the "Block Caller" feature of GV. Presto! She's gone.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2670125] I don't recall a movie "Something about Mary".[/QUOTE]You are not allowed to bang another chick until you watch it. Possibly the funniest movie of its decade.

I had two meets set for yesterday.

The first meet was at a Chili's at 1 pm. I had texted with the SB all day before. Then I texted to confirm an hour before the meet. She did not reply. She texted later in the day, wanting to push it back a few hours to 3 pm. Then, when I tried to reconfirm again a half hour before, no reply. She texts around 5 pm, apologizing that her phone died. Yeah, right. She used that excuse twice in a 24 hour period already. I just told her that time is money, and she wasted my whole afternoon. My guess is that she might have been meeting with other SD's. Even though she works a regular job, she seems UTR. I have a low tolerance for bullshit, so this one is cut loose.

I had a meetup set at another chain restaurant at 7 for dinner. This SB is so broke, that her phone got disconnected due to not paying the bill. All communication was through the sugar website. She confirmed that she was going to be there three hours prior. Then about 6:45, she messages that she is having car trouble and asks if we can reschedule tomorrow. I don't even bother to reply. One strike, and you're out.

Long ago, I used to show up to the meet spot and wait. Now, I don't even bother leaving my house until they are at the meet spot and texting me frantically "where are you? I rather make them wait and be the one to show up late. A SD's time is more valuable than an SB's.

Those of you who check out of hotels by just leaving the keys on the table. Do you call and let them know that you're checking out? Or is it not necessary.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2671999]Those of you who check out of hotels by just leaving the keys on the table. Do you call and let them know that you're checking out? Or is it not necessary.[/QUOTE]It is not necessary. Once check-out time rolls around, they call the room to see if you are still there. If no one picks up the phone, they close out your stay. If you need a copy of the bill, email them or stop by the next day in person. You can even keep the key cards if you want.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2671999]Those of you who check out of hotels by just leaving the keys on the table. Do you call and let them know that you're checking out? Or is it not necessary.[/QUOTE]Not if I didn't use my real name and cc. Just leave. Since I have a SO I don't ever use my cc.

Especially if you book through and OTA, they are eager to toss your cheap ass out of the hotel and won't assume you are extending your stay.

The less contact you have with hotel staff the better.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2671999]Those of you who check out of hotels by just leaving the keys on the table. Do you call and let them know that you're checking out? Or is it not necessary.[/QUOTE]I never physically check out, just leave the key in the room and close the door. I do ascertain on checking in whether they will send me any paper work or thank you letter afterwards. I couch the request by saying that the address on my license is my old one, so if they want to send me snail mail I need to give them my current (bogus) address. I've been in the Bowl over five years, but even so I still ask every time upon checking in. Never once have they asked for my "new" address nor have I had anything follow me home. In my experience even a nice boutique hotel doesn't send any follow up paper mail, only an email, and since I always give them my Sugar Email, it's all golden.

That said, I do have a fake version of my "signature" that doesn't look a thing like my real signature which I use when signing the check-in paperwork, just in case it all hits the fan. As I said a long time ago, if you are married and in the Bowl, you need to maintain an ironclad Secret Identity. You are for all intents and purposes a double agent under deep, deep cover.

It takes a lot of thought, but for me, it adds immeasurably to the excitement of the whole thing. I had a baby ask me the other day if I were an adrenaline junky. I thought for a second or two, and then had to admit that I was. Makes the sex 1000 times more intense, am I right?

Good to see so many newbies in the clubhouse, and that we all seem to understand the special quality of this particular thread. We ain't swappin' ho's here, we're sharing experience. "Scoring" an escort on a Sugar site is like "catching" a fish at the grocery store. A chimp could do it.

Keep up the good work my brothers.

Scott.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2671606]I had two meets set for yesterday.

The first meet was at a Chili's at 1 pm. I had texted with the SB all day before. Then I texted to confirm an hour before the meet. She did not reply. She texted later in the day, wanting to push it back a few hours to 3 pm. Then, when I tried to reconfirm again a half hour before, no reply. She texts around 5 pm, apologizing that her phone died. Yeah, right. She used that excuse twice in a 24 hour period already. I just told her that time is money, and she wasted my whole afternoon. My guess is that she might have been meeting with other SD's. Even though she works a regular job, she seems UTR. I have a low tolerance for bullshit, so this one is cut loose.

I had a meetup set at another chain restaurant at 7 for dinner. This SB is so broke, that her phone got disconnected due to not paying the bill. All communication was through the sugar website. She confirmed that she was going to be there three hours prior. Then about 6:45, she messages that she is having car trouble and asks if we can reschedule tomorrow. I don't even bother to reply. One strike, and you're out.

Long ago, I used to show up to the meet spot and wait. Now, I don't even bother leaving my house until they are at the meet spot and texting me frantically "where are you? I rather make them wait and be the one to show up late. A SD's time is more valuable than an SB's.[/QUOTE]I have had experiences with flakes as well. I've been too tolerant and I'm tired of it and going to shorten the leash quite a bit. I like your statement about not leaving the house until they're already there.

I've got to get away from these stippers. I had a run of them on this site in October. I'm weeding out the last few. I had a meet with one yesterday after she flaked a week prior. I had the meet but she gave me the run around where we were meeting on campus. It ended up being at a coffee shop instead of a small place I had planned. To top it off she just shows up at this coffee shop when I was parked down the road and texts she there and already ordered a "mocca". I almost just left because the rudeness of that pissed me off, but I went with it. I met with her and wasn't impressed too much at all other than she was 18 yr old. She clearly showed she's used to having her ass kissed by being a stripper. We are supposed to meet tomorrow, but I'm going to make some excuse to miss it. The whole reason for another meeting was I was not impressed enough to move forward with an arrangement proposal. So I'm thinking I could use a route typical of flakes. I could use the ole not contact her until after and say "my phone died". Or just a conventional "I have a meeting I have to make" and not reschedule. Frankly she is not worth the integrity of me telling her we are not a match and move on.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2672440] So I'm thinking I could use a route typical of flakes. I could use the ole not contact her until after and say "my phone died". Or just a conventional "I have a meeting I have to make" and not reschedule. Frankly she is not worth the integrity of me telling her we are not a match and move on.[/QUOTE]See, I don't think this is helpful. Many of these girls really don't know any better, and even if they do, we have an obligation to try to teach them a more proper way to behave. Treating them poorly or blowing them off merely reinforces that it is acceptable behavior, and it is not. I prefer to take my "daddy" title seriously here. By all means cut them off and don't put up with the BS, but I think it is incumbent on all of us to do so in a mature, polite, and upfront way.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2672479]See, I don't think this is helpful. Many of these girls really don't know any better, and even if they do, we have an obligation to try to teach them a more proper way to behave. Treating them poorly or blowing them off merely reinforces that it is acceptable behavior, and it is not. I prefer to take my "daddy" title seriously here. By all means cut them off and don't put up with the BS, but I think it is incumbent on all of us to do so in a mature, polite, and upfront way.[/QUOTE]You know what? You're absolutely right. 90% of the time I operate in the manner that you explained. I hit moments of lack of patience for ignorance. Call it cranky. I blame on getting older. In fact I think I hit those moments, because I do give a long leash to these girls knowing their immaturity. I probably give a longer leash than many would all for the sake of getting prime young pussy. It catches up with me.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2672479]Many of these girls really don't know any better, and even if they do, we have an obligation to try to teach them a more proper way to behave. [/QUOTE]Added bonus to instant conversation starter to explore how to punish the naughty girl for her bad behavior!

One flaked on me but I gave her a second chance and made sure she was oh so grateful.

This just occurred to me. I got into the bowl last February or so and initially it was this amazing new world of opportunity, I had my 'game' that I used as my opening message which I always carefully crafted towards each girl. Etc. I always wanted to meet (first meet) at a hotel and it always worked. I didn't push sex at all. But mainly just hangout and such. Always worked and always got sex on the first meet.

Over time I started putting less and less effort into it, I even (after reading about it here) created another account, a mercenary account with minimal profile info. I also killed my very original account and created a new primary account. I began trying different tactics through each account. Often on the same girl.

A few months of this, playing in the Harrisonburg. Cville - RVA areas I discovered that (in my humble opinion and exploration) that most girls get it:

My primary profile is nice and cool, normal. Still wants to meet and hangout at a hotel. But very unassuming and not pushy at all. No M&G anywhere else. Always a hotel. But just to hangout and get to know each other.

My mercenary profile always messages something like this " Hi there! Lovely profile. I'm in town on business this week and would love to meet up for some playtime. Want to come by my hotel for a few hours? I can be very generous if inspired". OR even better "Hi there! Nice profile and pics! I'm in town and business and don't have much time. Would you be interested in meeting up for some car play?. Maybe a quick 20 minutes or so?

What I have found is that both approaches get me the same results. It seems if a girl is on here and knows she is going to fuck a guy. She will respond to either approach the same: yes!

Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of girls that fall into all the normal categories of GPS or flakes. Etc. And some girls that I know are looking for 'real' connections and mentorship. Etc. Etc. I think some of this girls may want mentorship, but at the end of the day will still fuck you in your car for $100.

Statistical rules still apply, and the above is only an observation from my personal experience. I'm sure the results vary wildly among all of us and our approaches.

Just thought I would share.

[QUOTE=FScott;2672097]...
That said, I do have a fake version of my "signature" that doesn't look a thing like my real signature which I use when signing the check-in paperwork, just in case it all hits the fan. As I said a long time ago, if you are married and in the Bowl, you need to maintain an ironclad Secret Identity. You are for all intents and purposes a double agent under deep, deep cover.
...[/QUOTE]One hotel insisted that the name in photo I'd match the name on the reservation. Some of them make a copy of the I'd.