"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6129186]Success as in just picking them up and fucking for free? Or turning your waitress into an SB? Like I've occasionally managed to get a waitress's ph# and hook up later, but I was way younger and it was just a fun hookup, no pay for play. I'd imagine girls that work at Hooters or Tilted Kilt or Twin Peaks would be more open to pay for play, but that's just a guess. All my pay for play has either been from strip clubs, escorts met through online ads, or now sugar babies on seeking.[/QUOTE]Just replying to this one to save bandwidth. All newbies should peruse the sugar thread for Richmond VA, which has local posts but it also the de facto national sugar thread. There is also an archive of links to all the valuable past posts.

CSI's any info on this lady would be appreciated, have a meet this week.

Appreciate the feedback.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?userId=67958716[/URL]

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6129833]Had a few guys PM me asking for tips on playing in the sugar bowl. Figure it'd be easier to post here than answer each person individually, and the character limit is much higher here than in DMs:

Regarding how to open with a girl: there's dozens of websites you can look up good online dating openers, just find something that's funny but not pervy / overly sexual. I'm really proud of the opener I use but not going to share it because it's unique and I get a lot of compliments from girls "oh I've never heard that before" or "how clever" "you're funny" etc, so I don't really want other guys in the same dating area using it. But like I said, there's whole bunch of fun openers you can find online for Tinder or whatnot, so just find one you like and use it. Most girls are happy that you're not the 100th guy that day saying "hey" or "what's up?" or "how much to fuck". As long as you're not too boring or too pervy you'll get some attention.

Generally on SA I just copy / paste my opener to every girl that looks like someone I might enjoy my time with (in SB speak we call these "Pots" aka potentials). I might do this to 20-30 girls. I'm lucky I work remote and can keep my personal laptop open on my desk on SA while working on my work desktop, so I generally glance at my laptop a few times an hour to see if any responses. The site will also tell you which girls have viewed your message but not responded. Any girls that have a viewed "check mark" but didn't respond I send a quick follow up to..[/QUOTE]Excellent post, thank you. Just started using some of your suggestions.

[QUOTE=LovePunnany;6130196]CSI's any info on this lady would be appreciated, have a meet this week.

Appreciate the feedback.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?userId=67958716[/URL][/QUOTE]I was texting with her last week and her replies got lost in my other msgs. LOL. She seemed pretty cool. She told me she is somewhat new at this. Let me know how it works out for you.

[QUOTE=ForeGolf197;6130220]I was texting with her last week and her replies got lost in my other msgs. LOL. She seemed pretty cool. She told me she is somewhat new at this. Let me know how it works out for you.[/QUOTE]I also got the feeling that she is a civilian and not a professional. Will update when the meet happens.

Thanks for the response.

[QUOTE=Skip15;6129623]When I try to use the site they will not take my G Voice number. Any creative ways around this?[/QUOTE]Pick up a pay as you go phone from Kroger for like 20 $.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6129833]Had a few guys PM me asking for tips on playing in the sugar bowl. Figure it'd be easier to post here than answer each person individually, and the character limit is much higher here than in DMs:

Regarding how to open with a girl: there's dozens of websites you can look up good online dating openers, just find something that's funny but not pervy / overly sexual. I'm really proud of the opener I use but not going to share it because it's unique and I get a lot of compliments from girls "oh I've never heard that before" or "how clever" "you're funny" etc, so I don't really want other guys in the same dating area using it. But like I said, there's whole bunch of fun openers you can find online for Tinder or whatnot, so just find one you like and use it. Most girls are happy that you're not the 100th guy that day saying "hey" or "what's up?" or "how much to fuck". As long as you're not too boring or too pervy you'll get some attention.[/QUOTE]I just copy and paste this message. "Hey text or snap me? {insert number and Snapchat here} Snapchat I have the most success with I get tons and tons of responses on snap, sure some scammers but you can tell by snap score if they are legit but almost all my arrangements have been made from Snapchat. I have a good success rate that's as simple as I get and go from there.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6129833]Had a few guys PM me asking for tips on playing in the sugar bowl. Figure it'd be easier to post here than answer each person individually, and the character limit is much higher here than in DMs:[/QUOTE]Good tips and approach. There really is both an art and a science to all of this. I find that conversation is the key, with building trust, although some girls are just DTF at the start. Well the key is having $300 in your hand, and just not seeming creepy or threatening. But just talk to them like you would anyone else, although sometimes if the girl is too hot, it does make that difficult.

I agree that it's good to compliment them though. On something like Bumble, I would play it cool and not tell them they look so pretty (and they probably wouldn't anyway), but with these girls, many of them love the attention and validation from an older guy.

Also, don't feel like you have to play their game. There really isn't even any game involved, which is what I enjoy so much. I am honest and tell them I want to them naked in a hotel sroom, so the conversation just moves in that direction. I would rather start talking about sex too quickly, than not quickly enough. The last thing they want is some dude wasting their time when they have bills to pay.

Anyway I wish I would have had this resource when I was in my 20's and 30's, although I didn't have the $$$ then and these girls wouldn't have paid me any attention. The money is what turns them on, plus their Daddy issues.

But this is all I wanted when I was younger. Just flirting with attractive young women and have them be nice, and quick to get naked. Well, that's what every normal, healthy guy wants, at every age, but just saying that Seeking is amazing that we can actually get that for a reasonable amount of cash.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6129186]Success as in just picking them up and fucking for free? Or turning your waitress into an SB? Like I've occasionally managed to get a waitress's ph# and hook up later, but I was way younger and it was just a fun hookup, no pay for play. I'd imagine girls that work at Hooters or Tilted Kilt or Twin Peaks would be more open to pay for play, but that's just a guess. All my pay for play has either been from strip clubs, escorts met through online ads, or now sugar babies on seeking.[/QUOTE]Both. It starts as play for pay on some and I was able to turn it into relationships. Girls know if they will have sex with a guy it's really getting them to take the chance. So making it hard to say no is the trick.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6129220]What is your strategy there to broach the subject and get them in your rotation? Do you just casually ask them if they ever thought about having a sugar daddy I almost did this with a hotel clerk last week, but I just don't have the game to follow through. I should have at least tried though.

I'm not at all surprised that it works, as most young girls are open to selling pussy. Most of them are aspiring wh*res for the right price. (And of course I use "wh*re" in the most favorable way possible. Not throwing any shade there._ Anyway good job for converting some civilians like that. That sounds like even more exciting than getting girls from the site.[/QUOTE]Don't get me wrong some girls are hard to crack. But it's one's.

I have found that likes to party and the strip clubs. They are far more open minded. Makes them prime. I had one I met at a restaurant we exchanged numbers I texted her with game. We agreed to meet at reasonable rate. Now she texts me 2 or 3 times a week for free sex.

VerdantHarmony [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/72674fb4-4929-4eaa-b106-d8500019c761[/URL].

I usually have really good luck with these hippie girls, and thought I had something really special lined up with this one. Standard convo, moved to text. We agree to a coffee meet and greet, but she had already used some language during our texts about how "much she values herself" that I knew was problematic. I actually pushed back, talking about how woman that are too materialistic aren't for me, that if you're so focused on $ then it's not going to work, really trying to push her away. She threw out she wanted 400 PPM. Told her that was too high, but if she'd lower hers I'd raise mine and we might could meet in the middle, otherwise no reason to waste time meeting for coffee. She said that would work for her, that she could come down if I could come up, and we agree to still meet for coffee.

A few days later we're having coffee at Starbucks and seem to really hit things off. We walk away to discuss the arrangement, and she opens by saying she can do 300 but isn't comfortable hosting. I tell her I can get us a hotel for our initial date, but that for amount I would expect her to begin hosting after 1-2 dates when we have some trust built. She agrees, and we setup a date for later in the week.

I text her off and on to maintain our connection and to confirm some details for our date, and she keeps putting me off. Eventually I see her logging back onto SA. I knew it was coming, and sure enough she finally messages me that she's been thinking about it, and 300 is not enough, and she wants 400. I tell her good luck and cut my losses. So, if you're into hippy college girls, this one can be had for 400 plus hotel, though I also bet if enough guys hit her with a more reasonable rate she'll realize she needs to readjust her expectations LOL. I think money is getting tight for her as she had mentioned during our date she recently quit her job. Good luck.

Okay, I'm starting to get a little better at this. I've been on SA for about 2 weeks. I still have a leftover from SB that is getting most of my attention. So, are some of my theories true or false in trying to land some $300 and below girls:

The more recent a member is, the better chance you're dealing with a potential sb?

The members who have been on there for more than a few months are more likely to be pros or want more money?

A member who is "premium" or featured is going to be pro's or gps?

Are the girls in the mid 20's (22-28) going to be on the upper end of compensation (assuming they're not unattractive or out of shape)?

And who are the morons that pay these girls money for pictures or videos?

I was going to say the Snap Chat's and What's app. Are you " or pix sellers. But I'm seeing where that may not be true already.

Picture seller:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/111af9bd-6a0f-4045-81f0-753fe40cc3cd[/URL]

Wants $40 in advance before meet up:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8b152571-ef73-49e2-9cfa-febe8bbef670[/URL]

I'm meeting this one tomorrow night for a meet and greet. Any info please?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2421f897-e1ea-487e-b767-1a751c99dd8d[/URL]

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6119963][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0ab369e1-68eb-4c5f-9e58-75d8d8961dfb[/URL]

Real and fun / flirty texter, but GPS considering her looks. Like she's cute, but she balked at my 300 PPM offer. Oh well, plenty of fish in the sea. She wouldn't give me the number she was looking for, but I'm speculating she could be had for 5. Even if that was in my price range, this one is on the wrong side of 30 to be even considering anything in that ballpark.

***Update: Wants 750 per meet and can't host. LOOOOOL[/QUOTE]I met her on a Saturday afternoon about two months ago for a M / G. Ended up being an afternoon of some solid day drinking fun. This woman is so full of herself it's almost a little sad. Tries to blow smoke about this great job she has. All BS. I had fun at the bar, and her company wasn't bad. We never really got to the nitty gritty of PPM. She was all about the gifts with me. Dresses, outfits, etc. And honestly, all reasonably priced things. It wouldn't have been a hardship to pull off, but there was nothing that made me want to see her again.

Stay Frosty.

Milu [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8e230023-d9b4-4ab3-bd1a-4730426f9bcf[/URL].

Moved to text, wanted 800 PPM out the gate. LOL. Next.

[QUOTE=Apollo007;6131699]Okay, I'm starting to get a little better at this. I've been on SA for about 2 weeks. I still have a leftover from SB that is getting most of my attention. So, are some of my theories true or false in trying to land some $300 and below girls:

The more recent a member is, the better chance you're dealing with a potential sb?[/QUOTE]The age of the account varies. Brand new accounts (less than 3 days old and with only 1-2 pics) are high likelihood scammers. If they have more pics, and hopefully a few contain Atlanta landmarks, that's a better indicator.

[QUOTE]The members who have been on there for more than a few months are more likely to be pros or want more money?[/QUOTE]No, I don't find accounts over a certain age to be more likely pros. However, I have found the older an account is the more likely the girl will have a higher ask, because as time goes by, they will naturally ask the next guy for a little more, or a guy just throws an extra 100 since he's simping, and that becomes her new ask. Not always the case, but I find 1 week to 2-3 months to be the sweet spot.

[QUOTE]A member who is "premium" or featured is going to be pro's or gps?[/QUOTE]No, I think the girls get free offers of 1 week of "premium" around holidays or randomly just like guys get discounts on holidays or sometimes randomly.

[QUOTE]Are the girls in the mid 20's (22-28) going to be on the upper end of compensation (assuming they're not unattractive or out of shape)?[/QUOTE]Generally 18-22 tend to be more social media inclined, which means they are likely to have heard about the seeking from Tiktok or Twitter, and the SB "influencers" on those platforms tend to overinflate girls' ideas of how market pricing works.

[QUOTE]And who are the morons that pay these girls money for pictures or videos?

I was going to say the Snap Chat's and What's app. Are you " or pix sellers. But I'm seeing where that may not be true already.[/QUOTE]Some guys are married and don't have the guts to cheat, but feel like buying pics / vids isn't cheating so that's their outlet. Others are just sad simps who have no idea how to talk to women. Regarding Snapchat / WhatsApp, I've had a lot of meetups with girls who gave me their snaps, so it doesn't indicate anything regarding their real / not real status. WhatsApp is used way less in the US, but I did one time get one coffee date from a girl who asked me to use WhatsApp, and we hooked up afterwards. But the other 90% of the time WhatsApp has been scammers / pic sellers.

If you're looking for sub 300, I recommend 1) Looking outside the city and suburbs into more rural areas and 2) Stick to late 20's to mid 30's. They tend to be single moms who are just looking for an escape from their life and want a little extra $ to help with bills or maybe pickup a nice purse they couldn't otherwise because they spend most of their money on little Bobby's needs.

None of these are hard and fast rules. I had a 19 year old that I smashed for free, and another I was meeting for 150 per meet plus hotel and buying Plan B afterwards. I've seen 34 year olds with serious GPS. But these are the general trends I see.