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Well, it can happen to anyone BUT there are definite ways to reduce your chances of getting popped. I myself NEVER do incalls at all. If I don't know 100% that it's completely safe I don't do it. Every sting I've heard of is done in such a way as to protect the female decoy as it should be. They always have you come to them where they can control everything. They're not going to send decoys on outcalls. Even in street stings, the decoy isn't ever going to get into your car. The same danger limits apply. The guys who get popped are the ones that talk thru the window.

If you do incalls sticking with well known providers does REDUCE your chances of getting popped BUT if the provider got popped and is cooperating for a reduced sentence etc you're screwed. Like others have said, watch what you say and always pay after. If you can't do that pony up for a room and have them come to you and let them be the one walking in to an unknown situation instead of you.

[QUOTE=HillbillyBob;5830063]Wow sorry about your problems. That is why I stay with my well reviewed girl (Raylee) Keep us post on your progress with the Sting. It can happen to any of us.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chunks92;5833088]Bedtime story made a major major error by talking to the detective after the miranda rights were read. Of course, if his chat log was incriminating and specific, that might have been his reasoning. But never talk to them without an attorney. I've been detained once back in 2014 wouldn't talk to them and they had to let me go after a couple hours of trying to get me to talk. According to another guy from the Cleveland boards he spent 72 hours detained once because he wouldn't talk to them and his chat log wasnt incriminating, he even was undressed and they still had to let him go and he sued the department. Remember this, there is nothing illegal about adults having sex with each other. They have to prove why you were there, don't help them prove that. Unless the john folds it is near impossible for any of these to hold up in court. When I was detained this was before I knew of this board. If you get detained, don't talk to the cops. At all. Besides your name and contact information. They will have to let you go even if your cuffed for a few hours or days. Wish him the best of luck in his case![/QUOTE]The conversation on the phone, both text and voice both contained what they needed. It's a misdemeanor charge (although an expensive one). They already had me no matter what at that point. I was transported with another victim. He was loosing his mind. I am not married. No one who knows me would be surprised or shocked that this happened. LOL. Could give a fuck what people think about me. I live a very private life and don't socialize a lot. So it is an expensive lesson for me, but hopefully something I have communicated will make a difference for someone else.

You have to remember that when you two are chatting at the contact phase, via text or voice or email, her job is to get you to state or voice sex and money. Doesn't have to be together, if your getting rates/menu/upcharges/specialty requests, she just has to get $=sex in the stuff before the meet. once you make a physical transfer of the money, thats enough technically.

[QUOTE=BedtimeStory;5833544]The conversation on the phone, both text and voice both contained what they needed. It's a misdemeanor charge (although an expensive one). They already had me no matter what at that point. I was transported with another victim. He was loosing his mind. I am not married. No one who knows me would be surprised or shocked that this happened. LOL. Could give a fuck what people think about me. I live a very private life and don't socialize a lot. So it is an expensive lesson for me, but hopefully something I have communicated will make a difference for someone else.

You have to remember that when you two are chatting at the contact phase, via text or voice or email, her job is to get you to state or voice sex and money. Doesn't have to be together, if your getting rates/menu/upcharges/specialty requests, she just has to get $=sex in the stuff before the meet. once you make a physical transfer of the money, thats enough technically.[/QUOTE]So that is the difference between where they can immediately perform the arrest and not. So hypothetically, my chats are all non specific, so if it were to have been LEO when the meet occurs, they wouldn't be able to arrest me at first, I would have to make the exchange as my chat log wasnt incriminating. But if hypothetically I were to agree over communication THEN they can immediately arrest without any decoy interaction because of the chat log. Thats why I've not gone to incalls except for long term regulars, I'm meeting new women at a bar from here on out.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;5833641]So that is the difference between where they can immediately perform the arrest and not. So hypothetically, my chats are all non specific, so if it were to have been LEO when the meet occurs, they wouldn't be able to arrest me at first, I would have to make the exchange as my chat log wasnt incriminating. But if hypothetically I were to agree over communication THEN they can immediately arrest without any decoy interaction because of the chat log. Thats why I've not gone to incalls except for long term regulars, I'm meeting new women at a bar from here on out.[/QUOTE]The key is the agreement and the exchange of money. The decoy will engage in conversation to get to that point.

[QUOTE=BedtimeStory;5833544]The conversation on the phone, both text and voice both contained what they needed. It's a misdemeanor charge (although an expensive one). They already had me no matter what at that point. I was transported with another victim. He was loosing his mind. I am not married. No one who knows me would be surprised or shocked that this happened. LOL. Could give a fuck what people think about me. I live a very private life and don't socialize a lot. So it is an expensive lesson for me, but hopefully something I have communicated will make a difference for someone else.

You have to remember that when you two are chatting at the contact phase, via text or voice or email, her job is to get you to state or voice sex and money. Doesn't have to be together, if your getting rates/menu/upcharges/specialty requests, she just has to get $=sex in the stuff before the meet. once you make a physical transfer of the money, thats enough technically.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chunks92;5833641]So that is the difference between where they can immediately perform the arrest and not. So hypothetically, my chats are all non specific, so if it were to have been LEO when the meet occurs, they wouldn't be able to arrest me at first, I would have to make the exchange as my chat log wasnt incriminating. But if hypothetically I were to agree over communication THEN they can immediately arrest without any decoy interaction because of the chat log. Thats why I've not gone to incalls except for long term regulars, I'm meeting new women at a bar from here on out.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your experience. How did they get access to the data on your phone? Did you use a burner, or have a passcode lock?

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5833880]Thanks for sharing your experience. How did they get access to the data on your phone? Did you use a burner, or have a passcode lock?[/QUOTE]They have software that hacks in a back door. No phone is safe.

Even Apple biometric. Was a case a few years ago. Murder case if I remember. US government wanted past Apple bio metric. Apple sued. Government hired 3rd party hack and dropped case.

[QUOTE=BedtimeStory;5833902]They have software that hacks in a back door. No phone is safe.

Even Apple biometric. Was a case a few years ago. Murder case if I remember. US government wanted past Apple bio metric. Apple sued. Government hired 3rd party hack and dropped case.[/QUOTE]As others have mentioned thanks for sharing your experience, but did LE actually go thru your locked phone via a back door? I was thinking they would need a warrant for that and not typically pursue that in a misdemeanor charge, but not sure. Thanks.

[QUOTE=BedtimeStory;5833902]They have software that hacks in a back door. No phone is safe.

Even Apple biometric. Was a case a few years ago. Murder case if I remember. US government wanted past Apple bio metric. Apple sued. Government hired 3rd party hack and dropped case.[/QUOTE]So you're saying they hacked your phone to get access? That's pretty unusual in a misdemeanor case. Depending on your passcode, phone type, etc, it could take 4-6 months to do any sort of brute force.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5833962]So you're saying they hacked your phone to get access? That's pretty unusual in a misdemeanor case. Depending on your passcode, phone type, etc, it could take 4-6 months to do any sort of brute force.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't expect it either in a misdemeanor case, but someone accessed an account only assessable from my phone with two part authentication while they had it. Made some smartass changes to my profile on tinder. Sure they had s blast with that. Real funny. Changed my profile to be a woman looking for man.

[QUOTE=BedtimeStory;5833902]They have software that hacks in a back door. No phone is safe.

Even Apple biometric. Was a case a few years ago. Murder case if I remember. US government wanted past Apple bio metric. Apple sued. Government hired 3rd party hack and dropped case.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear but thanks for sharing.

I always delete the apps I'm using and then just reload them later. Idk how effective this would be. But it makes me feel better. I put a passcode on the phone too, but apparently that don't matter. I also make it clear I only want to hang out. Talk. BS etc. I'm "lonely and just want to hang with an adult" I hope if its a sting they would have no interest. Which has happened. I also usually will force a convesation for a few days LOL I figure if they ate texting me out of the blue days later, that could maybe help my cause? Idk.

Def agree with GRAS.

I'm. Curious. Did they ask if you were LEO over text prior to meeting?

Maybe we should start a thread on narrowing down the odds for us and exactly what to do just in case.

Love the idea of parking offsite and walking. I hate driving in hotel areas.

With this all said, it reminds me I need to post reviews of Raine (old spinner) and Grace (6'2 chick in middletown).

[QUOTE=Bill513OH;5834083]Sorry to hear but thanks for sharing.

I'm. Curious. Did they ask if you were LEO over text prior to meeting?[/QUOTE]No they did not.

[QUOTE=BedtimeStory;5834077]I wouldn't expect it either in a misdemeanor case, but someone accessed an account only assessable from my phone with two part authentication while they had it. Made some smartass changes to my profile on tinder. Sure they had s blast with that. Real funny. Changed my profile to be a woman looking for man.[/QUOTE]If you were not provided a warrant for phone evidence, I would say you have grounds for a dismissal or at least the right to drop phone evidence from the case and the criminal tool charge. Plus your civil liberties were infringed because of due process not followed. Not sure if this works but, they could have hacked your phone by using your digital fingerprint copy to a gloved hand to open the biometric. Just a guess though. Plus, on some inner dimension (that I’m not smart enough to find) there is on all phones, iPads, computers a small bit of memory that allows a forensic computer geek to find anything that’s was on the device including passwords used. The only work around to remove this info is to delete all data and reinstall all software like 3 times and from a virtual platform or something like that.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;5826785]No info when searching. She looks a little familiar but I don't recognize the name. Anyone have info?

[URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/come-fullfill-your-needs-and-desires-with-me-tonight/45002073[/URL][/QUOTE]Saw her last week, was a fine visit in a SVille incall, some signs of some habits of that is something that you try to avoid.

[QUOTE=Twisted69;5834395]If you were not provided a warrant for phone evidence, I would say you have grounds for a dismissal or at least the right to drop phone evidence from the case and the criminal tool charge. Plus your civil liberties were infringed because of due process not followed. Not sure if this works but, they could have hacked your phone by using your digital fingerprint copy to a gloved hand to open the biometric. Just a guess though. Plus, on some inner dimension (that Im not smart enough to find) there is on all phones, iPads, computers a small bit of memory that allows a forensic computer geek to find anything thats was on the device including passwords used. The only work around to remove this info is to delete all data and reinstall all software like 3 times and from a virtual platform or something like that.[/QUOTE]Bio metric was face. The new LEO software does all the work once connected to the port. I want to say the founder of McAffee, but can't remember the author. Was an article in police one forum. Big software they go on about is stingray. That's how they found jihad Johnny on Montana ave a few years back.

[QUOTE=BedtimeStory;5833902]They have software that hacks in a back door. No phone is safe.

Even Apple biometric. Was a case a few years ago. Murder case if I remember. US government wanted past Apple bio metric. Apple sued. Government hired 3rd party hack and dropped case.[/QUOTE]Unless they have a warrant to access your phone specifically, it doesn't matter if they can hack in or not. If there was no warrant for the phone, anything they find is inadmissible. Just like a door lock, it's not the lock that keeps cops out, but that if they break through without a warrant, not only can they not use whatever they find or anything that comes from a trail of what they find, but they just broke the law.

[URL]https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2010-01-26/united-states-ohio-supreme-court-holds-warrantless-search-of-cell-phone-violates-united-states-constitution/[/URL]