"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2659730]This. Guys need to stop playing the "I pay $100 per date" line and try to find other ways to be creative in compensating your babies.

When you tell a girl you will pay her $100 to fuck her for a couple hours, first thing that comes to her mind is 'shit, I am a hooker'. That doesn't sound too well with non pros and the truly first timer SBs.

I bought a $250 watch for an 18 yr baby for $120 online and it was delivered to her in a nice box with the sticker price of $250. She was thrilled. I have bought $100 giftcards to restaurans, clothing stores, bookstores etc for around $80 or less. I've bought perfurmes, brand name hand bags, etc for half of the retail price and they are more than happy with their gifts. Sometimes I give them cash (in an envelop) and sometimes I buy them gifts.

No matter if your budget is $100, $200, or whatever you should always be able to find ways to keep your out of your pocket cost within you budget. Take her out to a nice dinner and have a drink or two for around $100, then bring her back to your place and fuck her for a few hours than give her a $100 gift to one of her favorite stores when you drop her and she will THANK you.[/QUOTE]Great wisdom Smokarz. Plus it is time for this Forum to get over the idea that any SB "costing" over $100.00 is overpaying. Everyone has their own sense of what they can afford. If it is a hundred, great. If your budget handles a thousand, God bless.

They were remorseful. Not me. God, 20 yo with athletic body. DATY, BBBJ, DG, CG, RCG, Mish, MSOG. What's to be remorseful? It wasn't too little. Actually was 150 but both had panic attacks. I am worth more than that. Why did I fuck you for that much. Yes. I always said "baby you worth more for sure. I am paying you what I can afford and what I can afford consistently. Take it as a gift not as a measure of your worth. You are worth a lot more to me. Te quiero mucho amor". Etc etc. They came back to FC. One girl told me she only needed gas money so I gave her 50 - for her I offered her 150 to come back. And paid her 100 in arrears. She was sooooo happy. I think she is worshipping my cock now. Don't get me wrong. Plenty of girls want more. Currently I have several hot females who are ready and willing but want more - 200,250, 300 (talked down from 500). One asked me 1000 today. I know I can talk her down to 250 if I wanted to. My best one is 150 with her own apt. She is a bit far. LA traffic sucks. LOL.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2659316]Who is / was remorseful and why. You or the 2 women?

"talk them back" - does this mean you enjoyed them once for very little money and were able to do it again?!

Inquiring minds want to understand completely and accurately![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VoxDei;2660033]They were remorseful. Not me. God, 20 yo with athletic body. DATY, BBBJ, DG, CG, RCG, Mish, MSOG. What's to be remorseful? It wasn't too little. Actually was 150 but both had panic attacks. I am worth more than that. Why did I fuck you for that much. Yes. I always said "baby you worth more for sure. I am paying you what I can afford and what I can afford consistently. Take it as a gift not as a measure of your worth. You are worth a lot more to me. Te quiero mucho amor". Etc etc. They came back to FC. One girl told me she only needed gas money so I gave her 50 - for her I offered her 150 to come back. And paid her 100 in arrears. She was sooooo happy. I think she is worshipping my cock now. Don't get me wrong. Plenty of girls want more. Currently I have several hot females who are ready and willing but want more - 200,250, 300 (talked down from 500). One asked me 1000 today. I know I can talk her down to 250 if I wanted to. My best one is 150 with her own apt. She is a bit far. LA traffic sucks. LOL.[/QUOTE]Well played.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2659932]Great wisdom Smokarz. Plus it is time for this Forum to get over the idea that any SB "costing" over $100.00 is overpaying. Everyone has their own sense of what they can afford. If it is a hundred, great. If your budget handles a thousand, God bless.[/QUOTE]I agree wholeheartedly. I once got a SB some Victoria Secrets items. They were on sale but she didn't know that. She "estimated" the cost as twice as much as I paid. Even though I have transitioned into more FWB types, I know I will need to buy them some gifts and treat them to things to keep them happy and grateful like any other woman. But I find women believe what they want to believe. And if they believe you are spoiling them, then they return the favor.

And as far as SB and proper payment, it really is whatever you are comfortable with and think the experience is worth. I have helped these girls over a pretty wide range but I don't regret the higher dollar ones because how often am I really going to have a 18-21 year old girl naked in front of me letting me do pretty much whatever I want? That is pretty priceless in my book.

But I don't like a girl who is strictly into the material things. I much rather help out a girl who I think is out there really trying just to get a little extra or make some ends meet. They seem to have lower expectations and also seem to be the type that really enjoy the relationship and the sex. The girls who are more materialistic, in my experience, seem more calculating and view this as a game.

The UTR girl I have seen for something like 6 months has probably come to an end. My spare money was dwindling anyway, but the last time I was with her, I think she helped herself to a little extra money. And I asked her about it, which might have been dumb, but I wanted to know and I really can't think of any other explanation for the missing money. My fault for having some extra money in my wallet which I don't normally. But we had been together like 15 times and I trusted her. She got indignant when I asked her, acted hurt. I went ahead and apologized even though a part of me thinks she has to be guilty. And then about a two weeks later she resurfaced on a dating site.

The only thing that sucks about it is she has been hitting the gym hard, and her body was getting even better, LOL.

But in the meantime, I have entered the FC chamber with 2 FWBs. A 22 year old AA girl, nice body who wanted me to come over for a quickie and then apologized to me for it just being a quickie. She lives at home and has limited amount of time to meet. But she seems like she open to everything sexually. So I am hoping for a longer encounter with her soon.

Then I have gotten with a 30 something MILF who is ok but nothing great. But she lives only and seems into the fucking although she is just ok at it. But have been with her twice and probably continue to see her and see if I can get her to be a little more adventuruous.

The past couple of months I've experimented landing a stripper or two at the clubs. One thing that jumps out is how flakey they are. I'm generalizing by saying "they", but I have not met one yet who wasn't flakey.

If one applies my trusted and true addage and that is "Watch what people do not what they say" the stipppers fail almost every time.

There was one from SA that is an aspiring stripper. It is my 20 year old semi baby. She has the mentality and the flakiness, so she'll fit right in.

The other one I've been working on for a few weeks. She says all the right things, then in practice it changes. Frustrating and lost patience.

Can anyone share what their experiences have been?

I'm in a ranting type of mood this morning. I haven't had any pussy since last Tuesday. I get irritable when I'm not getting it more often than that. My 20 year old, I'll call her, mafia princess flaked on me last night. We were supposed to go out, hit a couple of strip clubs, dinner, and go back to my place for a good FC session. So that left me going to a strip club I frequent and where I'm trying to land this 21 year old who has been flaking. I've her rinse me a little bit, now I'm done with both of them. At this point / age in my life I don't have a lot of patience with flakey young broads.

The night before I was out with my 24 year old first teamer. Had a great time at a comedy club, but we couldn't go to the FC, because earlier in the day she hurt her back at work, and I wasn't going to force the issue. I'm probably lucky she was feeling just well enough to even go out. But even while I've been with this one albiet about 6 weeks it is not FC every time. Almost like every other time. I'm not really liking how this is unfolding. I've already nicely and respectfully let her know we need to have more frequent intimacy, and she assures me we will. She explained her past and why she has not had an overabundance of sex. At least she is aware of it and gave me answers that she will pick up her game for me.

I'm meeting a POT later today, but she lives about 2 hours away, so we picked a city between us to meet, but in the long run I see that as being a once or twice a month deal if it works out.

I know I still have my 31 year old and 22 year old senior in the wings. I could have done something with one of them last night if I knew my 20 yr old mafia girl was going to flake.

Sorry for the rant, but I had to ***** to someone. Bottom line is sometimes I ask myself why do I put up with stupid rude stuff from these kids.

I've got to get to that happy place where I'm getting enough pussy multiple times a week. What gets me is that I'm twice as old as these babies and they can't keep up with me in bed. I'm not even on Viagra or anything like that with the exception of Testosterone. That's it. I figured these days they would be more experienced and have more drive from the experiences, but apparently not.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2661232]The past couple of months I've experimented landing a stripper or two at the clubs. One thing that jumps out is how flakey they are. I'm generalizing by saying "they", but I have not met one yet who wasn't flakey.

If one applies my trusted and true addage and that is "Watch what people do not what they say" the stipppers fail almost every time.

There was one from SA that is an aspiring stripper. It is my 20 year old semi baby. She has the mentality and the flakiness, so she'll fit right in.

The other one I've been working on for a few weeks. She says all the right things, then in practice it changes. Frustrating and lost patience.

Can anyone share what their experiences have been?[/QUOTE]Not reliable, most think they are there to "rinse" you.

I can't see how they can be a SB. I hope I'm wrong.

I have one whom I met on SA and she is more of an UTR escort.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2661319]Not reliable, most think they are there to "rinse" you. I can't see how they can be a SB. I hope I'm wrong. I have one whom I met on SA and she is more of an UTR escort.[/QUOTE]Hunting for stripper takeout is one of my favorite hobbies. It's a completely different game than SBs (at least the type of SBs I date, which in itself is a different game than what typically gets discussed at USASG) and I consider it barely even related to sugar babies except in the sense that both hobbies are about fucking young ladies with hot bodies. It's the one time I break my rule of not discussing money (because it's part of the fun in this case).

First I will define what I consider takeout game and what does not qualify:

Four basic scenarios:

1. Meeting a girl outside her place of work who just happens to be a dancer -- an SB website, [URL]match.com[/URL], POF etc. - NOT TAKEOUT GAME.

2. Meeting a stripper at the strip club while she's working, but she seems interested in dating, and not just a transaction. NOT TAKEOUT GAME.

3. Meeting a stripper in the strip club and very soon after the conversation starts, she makes it known she is available for private meeting. NOT TAKEOUT GAME. Because she's escorting without letting me talk her into it, she removed the game aspect.

4. Meeting a stripper at her work who has seems to have no intentions of fucking a customer, yet after some hard work and challenge I'm able to talk her into trying it for a cheap rate. THIS IS IT. In other words flipping a stripper into an escort. Maybe she's done it before (probably in most cases), or maybe she's very new to the business. Or maybe everything just lines up right.

It's not to say 1-3 aren't fun too, but they are not my goal.

As you said, strippers are notoriously flakey. It is their job to bilk their customers for every dollar they can. And, a truly hot one who has been in the business for any length of time is not really a good candidate for an SB because she's already "spoiled" constantly and probably makes a damn good living already, fucking whoever she chooses to as sport, but not needing to do so in order to pay the rent. This is why it's so much fun to strike up a deal with them -- the mere challenge of it. The higher probability of failure is what makes success so rewarding. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of #1-3 from the above list out there to be had. It's just not the same.

I once met Adriana Sage (porn star) at a strip club, she was dancing on a slow night and came and hung out with me between sets. It's not that I didn't want to fuck her (5'8, leggy, perfect ass, even sexier in person than she looks in her films), and yes the thought of making her an offer went through my mind, but the conversation didn't go there, because I knew she would have a high opinion of how much she was worth. I'm sure she probably does already escort on the side, but it's probably for crazy amounts. Part of the fun is when they take an offer that's probably less than what they make on a weekend night. If they accept an amount similar to what you'd pay an SB for a date, it means they are only partially into it for the money and they are going to be genuinely into the sex. Feature dancers do not make good takeout targets.

Hunting for takeout is only fun if it is NOT your primary means of getting laid. Anyone who tries it expecting the type of results you get from SB sites will be sorely (as in blue ball) disappointed, even if you're one hot pork chop with all the game in the world, the #4 are much fewer and farther between than pretty much any other aspect of the hobby. The exception to that might be in some of the rattier strip clubs where girls hook all the time and its their sole purpose for being there.

Last week I had 4 m / g's set up. I added another, one was cancelled by the POT and I cancelled one. Total 3 m / g's. One turned into FC visit, another FC booked this week and other was GPS, but a great date.

I have 3 m / g's with new POTs so far this week, and two separate FC dates. May have found my new SB, but want to see her a few more times before I decide for sure.

No initial messages the first week on SA, sent out 6 this past weekend. Out of the 6 messages I sent, I had 4 replies so far. I have favorited about 60 girls and have mainly been responding to messages that they are sending me. If I had more time right now and actually sending out intro messages I would not be able to get anything else done. Not sure if its just my area (VA border w / TN to Atlanta) or all over right now, but there is a definite shortage of good looking, nice SD's right now.

There has been a lot of talk about "gifts" and what is appropriate or not to these ladies. There isn't a right or wrong answer here. Isn't whatever works for both parties? The guys that are only looking for 1 or 2 dates gift more and the guys like me that are looking for one on-going relationship gift less per date but end up doing more with all the extras in the long run- at least I do.

Cb.

CB. Just be aware, things are really fast and furious early on when you first dive in, because you have the entire pool available. It does start to dry up pretty quickly once you make your way through and find reasonable matches for your needs and desires. So I would advise you to pace yourself and think strategically. Eventually once you get into a rhythm you'll be able to track the new additions and pretty easily identify the good potential matches in that crowd, but I remember a "dip" the last time and seeing the same dip again this time.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2662299]CB. Just be aware, things are really fast and furious early on when you first dive in, because you have the entire pool available. It does start to dry up pretty quickly once you make your way through and find reasonable matches for your needs and desires. So I would advise you to pace yourself and think strategically. Eventually once you get into a rhythm you'll be able to track the new additions and pretty easily identify the good potential matches in that crowd, but I remember a "dip" the last time and seeing the same dip again this time.[/QUOTE]Great points. This isn't my first time dipping into SA so I am aware it can dip- it has before. Pacing yourself is really good advise. This time around, I am noticing very good response rates and from talking with these babies, there is a real need for solid SD's. It is definitely a buyers market for me right now! If you get too many irons in the fire, you can't get to all of them and can miss great POTS!

[QUOTE=VoxDei;2660033]They were remorseful. Not me...[/QUOTE]You got a great deal = steal! The women felt ripped off and hence were remorseful! Heee. Heee. Heee.

After the disappointing weekend I had I'm already in a nice recovery mode. Let me explain.

The POT I met from a city two hours away went well. We each drove one hour to meet at a half way point for the both of us. We had a nice reasonably priced dinner and went to the FC at a local hotel. Boom finally had my sex.

Tonight my regular that had the hurt back last Friday came to my house to make it up to me. Now this young woman gets it when it comes to taking care of a daddy. She definitely wants to please me, and she has a really hot little body. She had an A plus performance in bed tonight. Boom sex again two nights in a row. The way it's been going lately that's a boon to me.

Tomorrow I'm meeting my 31 yr old either at lunch or right after work. She's horny and reliable, so I can pretty much count on another FC visit. That should make three.

Wednesday I'm meeting an 18 year old student by day and a new stripper by night. As she put it she can make the same amount of money in 20 hours as opposed to working 3 jobs and 70 hours per week. When she puts it like that who can blame her. Anyway we'll see how that one goes. She's from SA. Actually they almost all are. I don't plan on getting laid necessarily, but if there's a crack in the conversation I'll exploit it.

Thursday I could have a pro from SA if I want it. She's another stripper that's a pro on the side. I don't really go for these types unless I'm so horny I resort to it.

Friday back with my 24 yr old again. Been with her 7 weeks and if she delivers on the sex frequency then she'll turn into an ATF.

So I recovered nicely from last Friday and Saturday, but I've had an unusual run of strippers on the SA site.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2661319]Not reliable, most think they are there to "rinse" you.

I can't see how they can be a SB. I hope I'm wrong.

I have one whom I met on SA and she is more of an UTR escort.[/QUOTE]I agree they are not reliable. As far as rinsing that's what they do for their work, and I get it, but I don't like it.

I agree again about them ever being a SB. They get spoiled by men throwing money at them for no sex.

And across the board with my experience is they are flaky.