"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Good luck Scott! Somehow I think you will be back when the sting of your loss abates and the boredom of sex with the Missus becomes too much to bear. Nobody would ever say that what we are doing is the right thing.even us. It does seem to be A thing to do which is less painful perhaps than chucking the family for a whole new life and uncharted waters. Some of us have already done that once or twice and while short term things are much more exciting, long term a new baby becomes an old baby. Where does it stop?

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1376613]Gentlemen,

I truly appreciate all your helpful thoughts, observations and warnings. They have caused me to do a lot of thinking, and I have come to the conclusion that I [I]am[/I] In fact, becoming addicted to dangerous behavior.

Recent events, I. E. The baby walking in on me having dinner with the family, this obsession I have with my former employee, and hitting on the Trader Joe's artist when in all likelihood she lives in my town, show a growing pattern that I feel I just can't ignore. It's almost like I'm trying to get caught, and that would not be good.

Compound this with the reality that my ATF is gone, and I feel I need to take a big step back and recalibrate what I consider to be "normal". Thus I have cancelled my SA profile, and will turn off my burner phone and hide it until I regain a healthy desire to avoid putting myself in risky situations. If I can't resist playing with fire right now, at least I can get rid of all the matches, right?

I will keep an eye on this thread, and still welcome any pm's from my brothers, but I probably will not have much to add, unless an earlier baby story becomes relevant. Thank you all for your help on this. I'm a little sad, but I know I did the right thing.

More than ever, keep up the good work, and don't forget to write!

Scott[/QUOTE]As others have said, you're input and insights will be greatly missed. I hope you can find that 'happy median' between the risk and reward of all this and come back with new adventures sometime soon. For now, maybe it is time to take a pause and borrow Yoda's advice: "Meditate on this I must.".

Go F.

Like Luckylou says this is a personnal decision. So far all the SB I have seen are nice but we are just playing. Understand completely and more power to you!

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1370961]At the end of the evening, as we were getting ready for bed, my SO asked if I had noticed the young woman and her much-older date that were sitting at a table behind me. I made some non-committal response, and she went on to tell me that they were all over each other all evening long, and how disgusting it was."He was old enough to be her father" was one of the phrases used, if memory serves. As I sympathized with her, I secretly indulged in the memory of me fucking that baby with her legs over my shoulders and her hands pulling my hips into her, hard. It was a heady brew, my brothers, but only because there was no painful tab to be paid at the end of the evening.

Scott[/QUOTE]Vow, I always thought that can happen sometimes. And now it has happened. I can feel how surreal it must have felt. But in the end its also sarcastic to hear SO saying that and only men know in their heads whats real out there. LOL.

All of us have to be careful and on guard all the time!

Gentlemen,

Thank you all for your kind words and best wishes. I truly feel a comradeship with you, and will continue to follow your exploits eagerly. As I said earlier, it became clear to me that I was addicted to dangerous behavior, and that the most likely end to that particular path was not a good one. When I first started this pursuit, I had things much more in control, and I need to get my head back to that place and then start again. As we all have observed, there are plenty of little fish out there.

Keep up the good work,

Scott

I agree with Scott's decision to step back. I thought he was pushing the envelope pretty hard and remained quiet in spite of 100% encouragement. Scott knows my views well enough to know I do not support emotional attachment, and would not have supported a decision to take a woman he knows as a SB because such a woman is able to find him and his associates. There was no point for me to shoot my mouth off then.

There is now. This is about the evening Scott was dining with his wife at a restaurant. A former SB and her elderly date happened to enter and took a table behind Scott. Scott described for us his intense internal reactions to the former SB being there [I]none of which did the wife pick up on due to Scott's suppression of all appearances[/I] (my characterization of his words).

The reason I see a point now is time has passed since that evening. Scott can determine for himself if he has seen signs my thoughts ring true.

Here goes: I don't buy any of it. We all know mothers love their children more. That must have a meaning vis-à-vis the husband. Mothers give unconditional love; for wives it is conditional. That's why mothers are secure in their own skin and wives are not. That's why wives never really trust their man, not really, and have and rely on that sixth sense as confirmation.

I do not buy that Scott's wife did not sense the change in him when the baby walked in. I bet that sense kicked in and remains in her stomach today. I bet Scott will see signs of it going forward. I bet Scott is being observed closer now than before. Time will tell. Of course I could be wrong.

First time caller. I've read all of this thread and have been dabbling in the arts a bit. I've texted with a few babies and have a couple on deck should I decide to take the plunge. I received a note today from a particular girl (and I use girl on purpose). She said she didn't think that I could afford her. I don't know why but this offended me. I'm not super rich but I hate being judged. Especially but someone that doesn't even know me! I replied that I'm not looking for an escort and left it that. Granted she was a hot Russian teenager that I probably could not afford. But it's still the principle. Anybody have anything like this happen?

Time to let you all know that I am alive and well. And sorry to hear that some of the best posters on this thread have taken to a temporary retirement.

I have joined a SD site and am working with 2 SBs from that site to set up the first meeting. Infortunately, both are a good 2 hr drive for me and really don't have the time for that. No good candidates on the site closer to home yet, but I plan to keep trying. I have also been looking for a SB relationship through CL contacts. That has produced a couple of candidates, one of which I was able to penetrate this week. She is a 20 something college ginthat is kind of interesting, but as I have encountered before, is on the heavy side. Too big to keep me coming back for more. I seem to be seeing a trend here. Most of my contacts have been at least 20-30 pounds overweight, much too heavy for my preference.

Still has been an interesting quest, but haven't found the right connection just yet. The warden leaves town next week and I plan on driving the distance to try out my 2 distant SB potentials while she is gone. I'll keep you all posted, but these 2 SBs are also in the plus-size category. I must be a BBW magnet or something. Worth checking out anyway.

Keep the good info coming.

Alias

[QUOTE=Boogie Man;1377945]First time caller. I've read all of this thread and have been dabbling in the arts a bit. I've texted with a few babies and have a couple on deck should I decide to take the plunge. I received a note today from a particular girl (and I use girl on purpose). She said she didn't think that I could afford her. I don't know why but this offended me. I'm not super rich but I hate being judged. Especially but someone that doesn't even know me! I replied that I'm not looking for an escort and left it that. Granted she was a hot Russian teenager that I probably could not afford. But it's still the principle. Anybody have anything like this happen?[/QUOTE]Don't take it personally. It's a tactic. She's challenging you to make a maximum offer. Those are the ones to stay away from, in my opinion. Read through this thread and study up on GPS (has nothing to do with navigation).

[QUOTE=Boogie Man;1377945]First time caller. I've read all of this thread and have been dabbling in the arts a bit. I've texted with a few babies and have a couple on deck should I decide to take the plunge. I received a note today from a particular girl (and I use girl on purpose). She said she didn't think that I could afford her. I don't know why but this offended me. I'm not super rich but I hate being judged. Especially but someone that doesn't even know me! I replied that I'm not looking for an escort and left it that. Granted she was a hot Russian teenager that I probably could not afford. But it's still the principle. Anybody have anything like this happen?[/QUOTE]Sounds like this baby is very skilled at pushing buttons, and she indeed pushed yours from the sound of your reaction. This is EXACTLY what she was trying to do, make an impact and have you prove to her that you can indeed afford her. Thus if you do, she makes the sale / connection, at an inflated number. There are lots of babies out there and one should never take any comments in an emotional manner and response, or else you will lose. Forget her Russian azz and go find someone that will appreciate BM more in the long run.

[QUOTE=Boogie Man;1377945]First time caller. I've read all of this thread and have been dabbling in the arts a bit. I've texted with a few babies and have a couple on deck should I decide to take the plunge. I received a note today from a particular girl (and I use girl on purpose). She said she didn't think that I could afford her. I don't know why but this offended me. I'm not super rich but I hate being judged. Especially but someone that doesn't even know me! I replied that I'm not looking for an escort and left it that. Granted she was a hot Russian teenager that I probably could not afford. But it's still the principle. Anybody have anything like this happen?[/QUOTE]I have to agree with Spitfire. Some of these gals are on there just to put guys down or luck up on that one in a million daddy that wants to shuck out big bucks just for her to be his arm candy. Those that list their arrangement "wants" in the 5K-10K per month are dreaming and are best passed on by!

What a crock of shit! These faux SBs who demand unmentionable amounts of lucre for a parting of the labia are dreaming. Do not go there with them. The male ego is such that we are tempted to respond "Yes I can ", but in fact we should say " stick it up your azz!" I talked to a Nando 1 who demanded a $ 1500 fee so that she could get a new ride to come see us lucky SDs. AS Spit said review the many excellent posts here and learn that you should never see the overly demanding posturing escorts posing as SBs who try to recoup theit weekly take from one John.

On the other hand, I go on the SA blog and am very interested in reading the posts there. There are some young girls getting 5 figure monthly allowances, but these are rich guys who like them and can offer an exorbitant amount to impress these impressionable girls. The girls don't demand it, the guys offer it. You will find out that if you get a perfect SB for you, you will give her everything you can afford. And more. If you have some SBs who are OK but don't ring your bell than you can be more judicious in doling out your available funds.

Scott, and several of the other guys including Me have SBs we are overly emotional about. This makes NSA more difficult and can create an entanglement that is difficult to escape. Good luck!

Welcome to the blog Boogie! My humble advice is to stay away from the desperately poor, substance abusing girls. Avoid the "White Knight " syndrome in saving these girls from themselves. They are not fixable. I've been with many of them. As one of the gents said earlier, the Nando 1s are easier to nail at first. Their stories are compelling and sad. You will find yourself wanting to help them. Once you are hooked they will call you needing money for rent, child care, groceries with sad tales that they are about to be evicted and therefore homeless, they are losing the car, license, custody.and they actually are.

Say to yourself." I can not save them from themselves " 1000 times and you might have it. The unique thread with all of them is they do not work at anything except trying to get money by not working for it. Many are single mothers with no babydaddy in the picture, and therefore no child support. If a SB applicant says 1) I don't have a job. 2) I don't have a car (license) .3) I can't work because I can't afford child care. 4) I only work part time. 5) I just do a little pot 6) I need money because I am going to (fill in the tragedy here).hang up, block their profile, do whatever it takes to erase them from your memory.

I've had the best experiences with SBs who are truly full-time college students that also have a job. These are the ones that seem to have their act together and a goal for their future. They want a SD, not so they can quit their job or school, but to be able to do more than just make ends meet. They want the extras and some fun. I'm not sure where that falls in the Nando classifications though!

[QUOTE=AliasSM; 1378128]Time to let you all know that I am alive and well. And sorry to hear that some of the best posters on this thread have taken to a temporary retirement.

I have joined a SD site and am working with 2 SBs from that site to set up the first meeting. Infortunately, both are a good 2 hr drive for me and really don't have the time for that. No good candidates on the site closer to home yet, but I plan to keep trying. I have also been looking for a SB relationship through CL contacts. That has produced a couple of candidates, one of which I was able to penetrate this week. She is a 20 something college ginthat is kind of interesting, but as I have encountered before, is on the heavy side. Too big to keep me coming back for more. I seem to be seeing a trend here. Most of my contacts have been at least 20-30 pounds overweight, much too heavy for my preference.

Still has been an interesting quest, but haven't found the right connection just yet. The warden leaves town next week and I plan on driving the distance to try out my 2 distant SB potentials while she is gone. I'll keep you all posted, but these 2 SBs are also in the plus-size category. I must be a BBW magnet or something. Worth checking out anyway.

Keep the good info coming.

Alias[/QUOTE]I've done the several hour drive thing before and let me tell you, it gets old fast. I live in an area of the state that isn't nearly as heavily populated as Nova, Richmond or Tidewater and the local pickings are slim. Still, there are a couple of large universities nearby and I've had some success there, including my very first SB who became the gold standard for me.