"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Others are: parking lots of lower end hotel chains (e. G. Motel 6); parking lot of a college campus; back area of a big box store like Lowes, home depot, or Costco.

My personal favorite is an airport long term parking lot. Lots of empty cars in a big secured lot that won't have police or people around.

With respect to indoor locations, my favorites are a quite space deep in the stacks of a big library (college library or otherwise), the dressing room of a store in the mall (I have found that some girls find this to be a huge turn on), and a room at a local asian karaoke spot (most larger cities will have them. They are individual rooms for small groups who don't want to karaoke in front of strangers, the rooms are relatively inexpensive and charge by the hour, and generally have large leather couches).

[QUOTE=Falar;2650531]I've had done while driving from a SB, but that's not safe. If you don't have no problem being seen in public. You could try the movies, some movie places have the two story seating, go to the highest level and sit at the back. I'll suggest doing that and going to a movie that's least likely to have alot of people. I've done it before. If your car is tinted and it's night, try the parking lot of an apartment complex.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2650489]I have used SA and SD4 ME with similar results which is very few SBs (any age / race) respond to my messages and the ones who do expect at least 500 per meet. I am not white so don't know how much of a disadvantage that is in North Carolina.

My one crucial difference from other guys is that I make it clear in my profile that I can meet only during the day (when I am not with my family!) which precludes any POT from having a date experience.[/QUOTE]PghGuy,

Primarily SA and CL. Despite most efforts to consider CL a dead fish, there are still jewels to be had, and at affordable prices. It just requires some creativity and patience.

[QUOTE=Thresh;2651666]PghGuy,

Primarily SA and CL. Despite most efforts to consider CL a dead fish, there are still jewels to be had, and at affordable prices. It just requires some creativity and patience.[/QUOTE]CL and BP are often used by LE for sting set ups. I think your risks are lower to stick with "sugar" sites, but gems are there to be had.

So I am back on SA. Is it just me but does it seem that the younger the girls the more ridiculous the amounts they are asking for? Don't get me wrong.

I've been in the hobby for years but it seems like the little girls are expecting way too much every year. Just my thought.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2652034]So I am back on SA. Is it just me but does it seem that the younger the girls the more ridiculous the amounts they are asking for? Don't get me wrong.

I've been in the hobby for years but it seems like the little girls are expecting way too much every year. Just my thought.[/QUOTE]Look no further than the sugar baby * blogs. A SB told me she heard about the site from that website. I checked it out and if it's accurate women are getting trips to the Caribbean, $$$ just for showing up, cars, and tuition paid. So I'm guessing seeing all those things would encourage them to aim high.

Yes some might have dollar signs in there eyes but there are plenty of reasonable babies out there. Every market is different, of course. Some of you may have to recalibrate your own expectations. I never had much luck with HWGs lowball offers here in DC, but a little higher works just fine. And hell, if you have any game you will find there are plenty of women who are actually looking for sex and fun. The fact that you are a rich successful man is what matters, not so much whether you are sharing it.

This time around, DC continues to be a tough market. Numbers of available women look high, but plenty of UTR girls, unreasonably high expectations, flakes, etc. I also get the impression that there is plenty of sugar supply out there for them. Lots of unreturned messages, very little initiating on their part. Contrast with Boston, where all I had to do was favorite a girl and she would approach me.

Gents,

I am trying to understand what types of STI? STD / HIV tests you do and with what frequency. Do you ask babies to provide tests? Is it all covered service or BB? One of the attractions of finding a true non-pro SB is BBFSCIP. So far I have only done it with two babies. Everything else is covered.

All inputs and wisdom welcome.

Thanks.

Vox.

[QUOTE=VoxDei;2653307]Gents,

I am trying to understand what types of STI? STD / HIV tests you do and with what frequency. Do you ask babies to provide tests? Is it all covered service or BB? One of the attractions of finding a true non-pro SB is BBFSCIP. So far I have only done it with two babies. Everything else is covered.

All inputs and wisdom welcome.

Thanks.

Vox.[/QUOTE]I've never went bareback with an SB. But if that's what you prefer, your best and safest option would be with a long-term baby. I wouldn't bareback random SB's. With a long-term baby you and her can go and get tested together, but that only would work if both parties aren't having bareback sex with other people. I would get tested for everything, there's alot of free testing clinics out there.

[QUOTE=VoxDei;2653307]Gents,

I am trying to understand what types of STI? STD / HIV tests you do and with what frequency. Do you ask babies to provide tests? Is it all covered service or BB? One of the attractions of finding a true non-pro SB is BBFSCIP. So far I have only done it with two babies. Everything else is covered.

All inputs and wisdom welcome.

Thanks.

Vox.[/QUOTE]Don't know how it works down there, but I head to a local County Health Department for free testing that includes as full panel: HIV, Syphilis, gonorrhoea, chlamydia. Head there every 3-months.

I assess the risk the girl poses by asking some sexual history, testing history and BBFS history as a way to decide to play with her or not.

All fwiw.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2652702]...
This time around, DC continues to be a tough market. Numbers of available women look high, but plenty of UTR girls, unreasonably high expectations, flakes, etc. I also get the impression that there is plenty of sugar supply out there for them. Lots of unreturned messages, very little initiating on their part. Contrast with Boston, where all I had to do was favorite a girl and she would approach me.[/QUOTE]It is not surprising that DC SBs expect more sugar given the fact that the DC metro area has the highest average income in the country. What else can one expect with all the lobbyists throwing money around to get favors and what not from the govt.

I titled this post "tax dollars" since that is the only source of wealth in DC!

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2647888]First of all I want to first say my post on 10/11 had poor grammar. I should have checked that before I hit submit. I sounded like an idiot. I do know how to use correct grammar. Embarrassing.

A couple of days ago I mentioned about my regular rotation baby flaked on me for the first time, and I questioned if someone came in and wooed her with a big offer. I did say she will probably be back within a couple of weeks. Well she already texted me yesterday. My first reply was "Sorry but who is this?" which elicited a "how can you not know who this is? I had fun with it but I was nice to her. I pretty much treated it like I really didn't care, and after a couple of more texts I went silent on her. She can come chasing me, because at the end of the day I have so many others in play it truly doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]I agreed to go out with my 23 yr old baby who was on a short leash this past Thursday. Had a pretty good time, but kind of uninspiring, so for the sake of rekindling the fire that was there before we set up another get together for the next day which was Friday. She worked during the day and was supposed to get off in the early evening, but supposed to give me a call prior to her getting off the set an exact time to meet. Bottom line was she waited too long to call, so I terminated the relationship. She was lucky I held out as long as I did, because these days I don't have a lot of patience for some of these young girls that have flaky tendencies.

At the other end of the spectrum my 24 yr old baby came over to my house to watch a Saturday night college football game. She actually cooked up some chili and brought it with her. So we had chili and wine and watched the game after the game was the dessert. This one is putting forth the effort to make this a good daddy / baby relationship.

Today I had to go see this incredible lean beautiful 21 yr old stripper going to college full time. I mentioned her in my last post I believe. She is having a surgery tomorrow morning, so I wanted to go see her, as she is a little scared. She so appreciated me showing a caring attitude. We had to reschedule our Saturday meeting of negotiating a daddy / baby relationship. It was me rescheduling more than anything, but we're on for a meet this coming Thursday. We're going to work a deal that is good for both of us. If I land this one as a regular along with my 24 yr old, then I'm back to having a regular two woman rotation.

After I left the club in the early evening I went and met with a 20 yr old SA girl. She might start dancing soon, and she does have the body for it. Long story short we got a hotel and into the FC to end the night.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2652034]So I am back on SA. Is it just me but does it seem that the younger the girls the more ridiculous the amounts they are asking for? Don't get me wrong.

I've been in the hobby for years but it seems like the little girls are expecting way too much every year. Just my thought.[/QUOTE]I'm seeing the same thing to a certain extent. A movement toward GPS.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2654189]I'm seeing the same thing to a certain extent. A movement toward GPS.[/QUOTE]We need to keep things in check to avoid kitty inflation.

I haven't posted an update for awhile as I was seeing one long term gf / baby. I learned a lot from this last relationship and thought it wise to share a few tips for the guys like me that prefer one long-term SB / GF baby. When we get so close it may become hard to see what is actually going on.

This relationship lasted just over a 1. 5 years. We were not exclusive the entire time and both of us played in the bowl up till about 6/8 months ago, well at least I went exclusive. Drama can become an issue and we need to keep diligent to not let it become too close to us. As a good friend told me: some girls don't really want help, some aren't ready for help and others can never be helped. This girls turned out to be an incredible liar and "game player". I will save you all the details, but just share some of last week.

Monday I had had enough of the mind games and lies- we break up. Tuesday start getting more texts asking for help with some new bills and trying to schedule another date- sends out incredibly sexy pics. (I respond but don't commit to any new dates) Wednesday more texts and more requests for help, promises to make next date special. (I respond but don't commit to any new dates). Thursday. Her live in bf finds out about 50% of her extra curricular activities and they "break up". Thursday night lots of texts, saying sorry, wanting to make things works, knows she has issues that she is going to work on, won't be taking advantage of me anymore, etc. Lots of head games. I respond with I can be a friend and be supportive, but we need a long break before / if we can ever "be" again. Later that night she "cuts" (has never done this while seeing me that I know of) and sends a pic of her bleeding asking if I am happy? - more drama. In the morning I respond with links to counseling sites for cutters. I am sure the next day she used the same lines and head games to get someone else to keep her around.

Warning signs I missed. (1) When drama started happening (outside of me and her, but with "other guys") should of backed off. Well I did, but was drawn back in- she really is amazing when we are together. (2) She would brag about being able to manipulate other guys, exp her live in bf. Went so far as to call him bb. ***** boy. When a girl brags about being able to manipulate other guys she is already planning on or in the process of manipulating you. (3) When stories don't add up. Don't give the benefit of doubt- assume the worst. I have read many times on this forum, if a baby's lips are moving she is lying.

With a short term baby, you aren't as connected and don't get hung up with all the helping and wanting to make things better / easier for them. But you also don't have all the intimacy, affection, love, etc that you do with a long term baby. Having a friend in the bowl that can look at things from a distance instead of you only looking at it from within definitely helps to keep you on track!

Since I no longer have a GF / SB its time to start looking for a new girl. I activated SA late last week with the intention of doing some searches and favoring some profiles to start messaging this week. First night I marked about 30 profiles as favorites and sent no messages. Next morning I had 16 messages- 11 from favorites, 3 from girls I looked at and didn't favorite and two international scams. Of course I replied and started messaging over the weekend. From the 14 messages I now have 4 solid POTS wanting to meet this week. I sent no initial messages. I still have 30+ candidates that I can message if these 4 fall through plus the endless supply of hot babies signing up every week.

I have forgotten how easy this can be. There are so many jerk SD's that a nice good looking successful guy that treats these babies with respect and always wants the best for them really pays off.

I look between Bristol TN and Atlanta GA. Although I am flush with "baby cash" right now (I was preparing to move my previous GF / SB and pay all of her bills so we could really date- see previous post) I do not offer real money to these girls, I am looking for the baby that wants to see me, has an incredible time with me and I can help make her life easier- in other words, a baby that wants the experience and not strictly looking for cash. My next SB / GF is definitely going to have a great time!