"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

This scammer was really smooth though. He took like a good 3 weeks to set it up before the money need came. Very patient and methodical. Scary.

Like I said:

Just be careful guys. Nigerians are onto you now.

* DO NOT EVER EVER EVER SEND MONEY TO PEOPLE YOU don't KNOW *.

Got that. ?

* DO NOT EVER EVER EVER SEND MONEY TO PEOPLE YOU don't KNOW *.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2648721]Typical scam. It's merely a version of the scam where they will e-mail someone and say they are a relative and use the same scam story. Overseas and everything was stolen and they need money. Really?? I never would front any girl from SA, or any other place for that matter, ANY funds. Especially if I never met them. If they are talking about that before we meet, I mover on to the next one. I've learned thru my many years of hobbying that advance funds are almost always lost funds.[/QUOTE]

And the water's fine. My God I forgot how easy this is. Two days, two cities, and I already have more M&G lined up than I could handle, with plenty of additional POTs in play. Quality is about the same. Younger gals seem a little less flaky, and older women a little more desperate. Haven't gotten to the negotiations yet, so we will see. Haven't yet decided whether to fully take the plunge, but for now enjoying the view.

I've decided to tear down my profile and rebuild it. I'm going to take a break and reenter the bowl later on. I currently have about three women, I could call on when I visit that I keep in contact with regularly. In addition to that I have one female that I'm currently high on possibilities with her. She sames to require limited expenses, a first timer scared off by the initial response from the men on SA. I had to take my time with this one, so I'm hoping the reward will be great.

After my membership expires this month, I will rebuild my profile and reenter the bowl. My timing we depend on how things work out with the current group of women and any additional ones that I meet before the membership expires. I will to rebuild my profile to cater and target the type of females I will pursue. After having a few I could rely on, it's time to be more selective in my pursuits.

[QUOTE=NcNative;2647586]I am in Raleigh and have run into something similar. PM for details.[/QUOTE]Guys, I am also in the RDU area, I am overrun with SBs, race, ages, all genres of women. I do not exceed $150 per visit and most are less than that. I'm not sure which types you are running into, but do not forget we are in control of the "Sugar Bowl" game.

Anyone ever went on a meet and greet and the woman never requested or ask for a picture before the meet?

Lately I've been running into strippers on the SA site. I don't know this when I reach out, but I learn it after, and some just flat out put "entertainer" in the "Occupation" of their profile.

I was at a place last week and one comes and sits down next to me to chat and during the conversation I learn she is also on SA. Anyway I'm not, at this point, really into having a stripper as a baby. I kind of liken it to having an escort as a baby.

At this same club the next time I went I fell in infatuation with this beautiful lean spinner. What I like about her is she is in college taking about 18 credit hours, has a side job, and stips at night. No kids. Just ambitious but sweet has hell. I'm working on her being in my starting lineup. I can't resist despite what I said in my last paragraph, but she really doesn't have a stipper mentality and is quite intellectual actually. We have a meet set up for Saturday to discuss details of an arrangement. This deal would be a once per week thing. Add in my other starter, which is a once per week meet. But that would be having sex only two times per week. Not really enough for me. I'm beginning to think I need a third woman from the dating world to close that gap. Or just cherry pick from my second teamers, but the money starts to add up. Trying to figure it out, because I'd like to take my profile down from SA for a while.

Mike. I have run into the same. At its worst, the stripper on SA MO is to build up a client base who will visit them when they are dancing off hours. The clubs often require newer girls to dance on afternoons or hours when tips won't be great, if those girls want the better weekend shift nights that attract larger crowds and better tips.

By being on SA some of these girls are trying to build up their clientelle, tips, and standing at the club. For example, if they are boosting business on a Wednesday afternoon for the club, then they are more likely to get the Friday night and Sat shifts. Plus they can play guys by pushing the "if you're not willing to tip me 40 bucks, after a lapdance, why should I believe you'll give me an allowance after a real date".

I even saw one profile that said m&gs had to take place at the girls club. Kinda awkward to try to m&g while other guys are pulling your pot away to get a lapper while you're trying to m&g, but I guess it would be a good way to increase tips and drum up business for the club.

That being said, this is a gross generalization. Although most, but not all, of the strippers I have m&g'ed with from the site did not make it past the first round.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2650173]Lately I've been running into strippers on the SA site. I don't know this when I reach out, but I learn it after, and some just flat out put "entertainer" in the "Occupation" of their profile.

I was at a place last week and one comes and sits down next to me to chat and during the conversation I learn she is also on SA. Anyway I'm not, at this point, really into having a stripper as a baby. I kind of liken it to having an escort as a baby.

At this same club the next time I went I fell in infatuation with this beautiful lean spinner. What I like about her is she is in college taking about 18 credit hours, has a side job, and stips at night. No kids. Just ambitious but sweet has hell. I'm working on her being in my starting lineup. I can't resist despite what I said in my last paragraph, but she really doesn't have a stipper mentality and is quite intellectual actually. We have a meet set up for Saturday to discuss details of an arrangement. This deal would be a once per week thing. Add in my other starter, which is a once per week meet. But that would be having sex only two times per week. Not really enough for me. I'm beginning to think I need a third woman from the dating world to close that gap. Or just cherry pick from my second teamers, but the money starts to add up. Trying to figure it out, because I'd like to take my profile down from SA for a while.[/QUOTE]

Hey fellows, l am looking for some suggestions here.

One of my babies is having her monthly thing, but she still cwant to see daddy (with no allowance) and blow him.

Since she can't do any more than head, I suggested a car date and she agreed.

So, where do you take your babies for car dates? The park, shopping mall, etc?

Last thing I need is a knock on the car window by a cop.

[QUOTE=Thresh;2649787]Guys, I am also in the RDU area, I am overrun with SBs, race, ages, all genres of women. I do not exceed $150 per visit and most are less than that. I'm not sure which types you are running into, but do not forget we are in control of the "Sugar Bowl" game.[/QUOTE]I have used SA and SD4 ME with similar results which is very few SBs (any age / race) respond to my messages and the ones who do expect at least 500 per meet. I am not white so don't know how much of a disadvantage that is in North Carolina.

My one crucial difference from other guys is that I make it clear in my profile that I can meet only during the day (when I am not with my family!) which precludes any POT from having a date experience.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2648775]Agree. It's a basic negotiating tactic, and its pretty obvious which girls hit the lottery and which ones are just plain liars. If a girl is hot enough to command those rates, chances are she wouldn't have agreed to see me based on my profile. I make it clear, I want to see girls who are in it for the experience.
...[/QUOTE]They ask how much I will pay in the initial message exchange and say "no thanks" for 100 or 200 per meet. So I never get started with any of them! And I stopped using HWG's methodology of asking about expectation $ in the opening message.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2650309]Hey fellows, l am looking for some suggestions here.

One of my babies is having her monthly thing, but she still cwant to see daddy (with no allowance) and blow him.

Since she can't do any more than head, I suggested a car date and she agreed.

So, where do you take your babies for car dates? The park, shopping mall, etc?

Last thing I need is a knock on the car window by a cop.[/QUOTE]I've had done while driving from a SB, but that's not safe. If you don't have no problem being seen in public. You could try the movies, some movie places have the two story seating, go to the highest level and sit at the back. I'll suggest doing that and going to a movie that's least likely to have alot of people. I've done it before. If your car is tinted and it's night, try the parking lot of an apartment complex.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2650494]They ask how much I will pay in the initial message exchange and say "no thanks" for 100 or 200 per meet. So I never get started with any of them! And I stopped using HWG's methodology of asking about expectation $ in the opening message.[/QUOTE]Are their lips moving?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2650575]Are their lips moving?[/QUOTE]At least a M&G then I can tell if they're moving or not!

Got active again on Sunday in anticipation of a business trip at the end of the week. Set up multiple meetings in my hometown (attended one m&g, clicked but she is new and wants to take it slow so no) and lined up a series of options for my trip. Ended up making plans for a late night drink with a lovely late 20's / early 30's woman. She met me at my hotel bar, and we were upstairs inside of 15 minutes. Total sexual chemistry. She was just submissive enough without being a limp fish, and squirting doesn't really do justice to what she did. Gushed everywhere early and often. Literally soaked the entire bed clean through the top blanket down through the sheets. Oh and best part? No donation. .

I think that's the point of FMs message. Your odds go up significantly once you get to the m&g (or at least mine have. See my moneybowl post a few months back). If you're exchanging messages, its harder to work your game. Plus if you're in relatively decent shape, not hideous looking, and a nice guy, a pot is more likely to accept a lower allowance once they are able to confirm this in person.

My recommendation would be to remain a little cagey until you get to the m&g stage. Let them know that you're allowance varies depending on chemistry, and you won't know what you're willing to provide until you meet in person.

Then when you get to the m&g, turn up the charm and you might have much more luck.

Also, are you non white? I've noticed more than a few profiles where ladies express a preference for white guys or outright say that a pot won't respond to asians, blacks, Hispanics, etc.

I don't judge these girls since I generally am not attracted to AA women, but if you're not white, it might explain why your not having as much luck as others.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2650607]At least a M&G then I can tell if they're moving or not![/QUOTE]