"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=VoxDei;2645020]Average SD is spending 50 K+ a year on their SB? Three reasons this could be so:

1. it is based on biased "self reported" data.

2. the and is small and average is skewed by a few large numbers.

3 its completely made up without a basis in fact.[/QUOTE]One skew is the amount that SDs are spending could represent multiple Babies. Not just one. Rinsers are latching on to that statistic coupled with the Tumble crowd giving faulty advice to these pot babies. This helps us because girls run to sign up and when they encounter the reality of Sugar econ 101 they can not get an SD at all, so their standards reset to a more realistic level. One local Tumble" baby went the apparent escort route and posted her money shot on line. This turns off a lot of us. I am happy for an SB to have success but don't arrogantly throw it in our faces. Also, if I wanted an escort I would go over to CL and BP, TER, etc. I want a low volume -preferably one partner baby. Can't be bringing any surprises home to Momma now, can we?

SB self reporting is skewed by the few home run hitters and a lot of creative writing.

[QUOTE=RobTaylor;2645871]I disagree that its all marketing. You have to understand that the cost of living is higher in big cities. 150-200 bucks is not going to cut.

It in Chicago, New York or San Fransico. Rent runs 2,000-3000 a month on the low end in New York.

You have to understand just like the escort worlds there are different levels. There are cheap backpage / and street girls that go for less than 200 bucks.

There are Mid level independent / or agency girls that go for 300-1000.00 per hour. There are high end model types / or really educated that go for 1000-2000 per hour.

In the sugar world you have low end babies for less than 200 per meet. Midlevel babies that go from 200-500 per meet or 1-3 k per month.

You then have high level babies that go for 2-5 k a month. The majority of the girls on the blogs are high level babies. They are either more educated or sane.

And they are not going to accept less pay than what they can get at a middle class job in the market. The other scenario is that they are a half way normal but smoking hott like movie.

Stars, which means they can easily score a rich boyfriend in real life so they are not going to settle for 200 buck per meet.[/QUOTE]

In my opinion you're describing about 1% or less of the men that would pay those prices, and I get what your saying about cost of living being higher in certain cities.

Did the site specify whether it was allowance received or given? In other words, a girl seeing 3-4 SDs, and getting a 200 - 300 per date allowance from each, would add up to about that much (e. G. 4 k), if she was seeing them about 3-6 times a month.

Of course I think its more of a reporting issue. Gals who are career SBs are probably the most likely to report their data. Gals who are on the lower end probably wouldn't be reporting for a variety of reasons.

At the end of the day, its better for us. The idea being that if one has the ability to make a pot believe she'd be dating us in real life, and that the sugar thing is just icing on the cake, then, the bigger the pool the better.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2645014]I've been pretty busy with work lately, and I've not had much time for any extra-curricular activities. Although. I did manage to score a lovely Asian MILF from SA who just wants to be wined, dined, and 69'd. A total keeper, and near where I have a long term gig for the rest of the year!

The real purpose of this post is a recent blog post on SA listing the top cities for SD's and the average monthly allowance. It lists 10 cities (six of which I visit frequently), and indicates that the average allowance is $4 k / month. WTF. I suspect this is marketing BS from SA, but it sure makes our lives much tougher! Anyone else think this is garbage?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Falar;2644828]I've came across an increasing number of profiles stating that they are interested in a mentorship.[/QUOTE]When I first started on SA, I figured this was just a boilerplate line to help them convince themselves they are not escorts, but I am surprised at how many young women are just trying to get a clue about life.

Not sure how much I really have to offer a college-aged girl, but those in their mid-late 20's often seem as interested in that kind of assistance -- help finding a job / referrals, grad school advice, career advice, start up business advice -- as they are in th $$.

Raleigh-Durham NC. Every babe on SA regardless of age even 45 yrs is expecting 500 per visit and some have indicated that their previous SDs gave them more and they told her not to accept anything less than 500.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2646919]Raleigh-Durham NC. Every babe on SA regardless of age even 45 yrs is expecting 500 per visit and some have indicated that their previous SDs gave them more and they told her not to accept anything less than 500.[/QUOTE]That is coming from the "Tumble" crowd. Just like Many of us specify no allowances over $100 ,they push for the opposite. Somewhere in the middle is where the truth lies. Don't worry about it. If the market is inflated reality will burst the bubble. Guys are not routinely paying $500 for the routine SB. Maybe model- esque girls can lure the crazy rich guys who don't care about money, but most of these girls are happy to get a regular gig. Also, you can't do anything about the Unicorn seekers. They won't budge unless they land one. These types of girls are not broke or desperate. They are just playing the lottery.

One timers: there are girls each one of us might break the bank to sample a dream. An SD might have paid $5 for a taste of the dream, but can't afford to go back. Some hottie then has bragging rights to the $500 dream. She is going to go hungry waiting for that next one.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2646919]Raleigh-Durham NC. Every babe on SA regardless of age even 45 yrs is expecting 500 per visit and some have indicated that their previous SDs gave them more and they told her not to accept anything less than 500.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I hear all kinds of stories from the dates I have had. One girl this weekend claimed that a SD gave her $2 K per visit with no sex (oh, he just wanted company. RIGHT). And then told me another SD offered 5 K. Certainly if you listen carefully and ask them questions. Some of them are just lying thru their teeth (like the one I met this weekend. Lie after lie). My response when she said "I charge $200/ hour". I said. For a M&G, you read my profile, I don't pay, so you can leave now or we can have lunch. We had lunch, total cost, about $30.

What I have learned. Call their bluff. There is NO girl on SA that I have to have. Can 't live without. Because there are a lot of them on there.

OH. I"m in upstate NY, no SD / SA thread there so hope you guys don't mind me putting my 2 cents in here, your board is very helpful.

GG.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2646919]Raleigh-Durham NC. Every babe on SA regardless of age even 45 yrs is expecting 500 per visit and some have indicated that their previous SDs gave them more and they told her not to accept anything less than 500.[/QUOTE]I am in Raleigh and have run into something similar. PM for details.

Holly shit,

I can't believe it but the Nigerian scammers made it to SA as well.

[URL]http://www.romancescam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25199&start=135[/URL]

This links tells you about the girl (Nigerian scumbag) who posted as Amanda Foxxy on SA. I can't find her link now to give you, surprise, surprise. The girl's name is DanielleFTV, pornstar. Scammers are using her pics.

This Nigerian scammer has been working on me ohh so patiently. Sending me nude pictures of this beautiful girl in the link, making up this amazing story. She just went to London and two days later her stuff all got stolen. Of course she needs help.

Unbelievable. These scammers have really gotten so good. I tried breaking this Nigerian scumbag with questions but he is good. They say don't confornt the scammers, they have no soul. So I am jsut goign to drop it.

Just be careful guys. Nigerians are onto you now.

* DO NOT EVER EVER EVER SEND MONEY TO PEOPLE YOU don't KNOW *.

Got that. ?

* DO NOT EVER EVER EVER SEND MONEY TO PEOPLE YOU don't KNOW *.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2647000]That is coming from the "Tumble" crowd. Just like Many of us specify no allowances over $100 ,they push for the opposite. Somewhere in the middle is where the truth lies. Don't worry about it. If the market is inflated reality will burst the bubble. Guys are not routinely paying $500 for the routine SB. Maybe model- esque girls can lure the crazy rich guys who don't care about money, but most of these girls are happy to get a regular gig. Also, you can't do anything about the Unicorn seekers. They won't budge unless they land one. These types of girls are not broke or desperate. They are just playing the lottery.

One timers: there are girls each one of us might break the bank to sample a dream. An SD might have paid $5 for a taste of the dream, but can't afford to go back. Some hottie then has bragging rights to the $500 dream. She is going to go hungry waiting for that next one.[/QUOTE]Well said. My example of that would be the graduate who I talked about before. She sometimes gets called out to Vegas from the Aria casino. Now back here she was telling me of an arrangement she had for several months (her words) from a married guy who paid her a $1000 per visit. I never came close to paying that, but she would always try to convince me to do so. If that was even true she should chalk that up to hitting a small lottery for a few months. The Aria gig is different. There are rich dude from all over the world coming into Vegas, so anything is possible.

First of all I want to first say my post on 10/11 had poor grammar. I should have checked that before I hit submit. I sounded like an idiot. I do know how to use correct grammar. Embarrassing.

A couple of days ago I mentioned about my regular rotation baby flaked on me for the first time, and I questioned if someone came in and wooed her with a big offer. I did say she will probably be back within a couple of weeks. Well she already texted me yesterday. My first reply was "Sorry but who is this?" which elicited a "how can you not know who this is? I had fun with it but I was nice to her. I pretty much treated it like I really didn't care, and after a couple of more texts I went silent on her. She can come chasing me, because at the end of the day I have so many others in play it truly doesn't matter.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2644802]
I must be picky. After an M&G with a hot Asian coed, I weeded her out based on her saying she is quiet, oral is OK and she does not orgasm from sex. Again, why would I pay for a younger, Asian version of having sex with my wife?[/QUOTE]My Asian translator said exactly the same thing. She did like oral a lot, but I found I could not do hotels with her because she made so much noise when she came during regular sex. A woman can fake a verbal response, but I don't think any can fake the flushed look when they really have the big O.

[QUOTE=GenevaGuy;2647188]Honestly, I hear all kinds of stories from the dates I have had. One girl this weekend claimed that a SD gave her $2 K per visit with no sex (oh, he just wanted company. RIGHT). And then told me another SD offered 5 K. Certainly if you listen carefully and ask them questions. Some of them are just lying thru their teeth (like the one I met this weekend. Lie after lie). My response when she said "I charge $200/ hour". I said. For a M&G, you read my profile, I don't pay, so you can leave now or we can have lunch. We had lunch, total cost, about $30.

What I have learned. Call their bluff. There is NO girl on SA that I have to have. Can 't live without. Because there are a lot of them on there.

OH. I"m in upstate NY, no SD / SA thread there so hope you guys don't mind me putting my 2 cents in here, your board is very helpful.

GG.[/QUOTE]I had a meet and greet with a 19 year requesting 2 K, a few months ago. I offered to end the meet and great right away and pay for the meal. She quickly offered to negotiate but I declined she had already lied about a few things that turned me off. It was a similar situation she had a previous SD, who paid her that amount. But there are real gems out there, you just have to keep on searching and being patient also helps.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2647711]Holly shit,

I can't believe it but the Nigerian scammers made it to SA as well.

[URL]http://www.romancescam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25199&start=135[/URL]

This links tells you about the girl (Nigerian scumbag) who posted as Amanda Foxxy on SA. I can't find her link now to give you, surprise, surprise. The girl's name is DanielleFTV, pornstar. Scammers are using her pics.

This Nigerian scammer has been working on me ohh so patiently. Sending me nude pictures of this beautiful girl in the link, making up this amazing story. She just went to London and two days later her stuff all got stolen. Of course she needs help.

Unbelievable. These scammers have really gotten so good. I tried breaking this Nigerian scumbag with questions but he is good. They say don't confornt the scammers, they have no soul. So I am jsut goign to drop it.

Just be careful guys. Nigerians are onto you now.

* DO NOT EVER EVER EVER SEND MONEY TO PEOPLE YOU don't KNOW *.

Got that. ?

* DO NOT EVER EVER EVER SEND MONEY TO PEOPLE YOU don't KNOW *.[/QUOTE]Typical scam. It's merely a version of the scam where they will e-mail someone and say they are a relative and use the same scam story. Overseas and everything was stolen and they need money. Really?? I never would front any girl from SA, or any other place for that matter, ANY funds. Especially if I never met them. If they are talking about that before we meet, I mover on to the next one. I've learned thru my many years of hobbying that advance funds are almost always lost funds.

Agree. It's a basic negotiating tactic, and its pretty obvious which girls hit the lottery and which ones are just plain liars. If a girl is hot enough to command those rates, chances are she wouldn't have agreed to see me based on my profile. I make it clear, I want to see girls who are in it for the experience.

Last month I finished a m&g and got a message from a pot in a small town about an hour and a half drive from home. With the SO away, I thought, might as well since the m&g went well but plans for the FC were set for another week.

When I met the second pot that night I asked her what she got from prior arrangements and was told $4 k a month. Three drinks later I was getting a BBBJ in my car. We ended up getting a room and I took her bareback. She finished me off and swallowed my load.

I didn't have an allowance prepared, but told her before we got to the car that my allowance was $150 per date. When I told her I would go to an ATM she told me not to bother, but just to give her a call so we could see each other again.

She was a 7/8 face (depending on your taste) a 9 body, and a 10 in the sack. All access points were open, and her mouth was exquisite. I would have taken her anal, but forgot condoms. Normally I don't do bareback, but this one was just too tempting.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2647880]Well said. My example of that would be the graduate who I talked about before. She sometimes gets called out to Vegas from the Aria casino. Now back here she was telling me of an arrangement she had for several months (her words) from a married guy who paid her a $1000 per visit. I never came close to paying that, but she would always try to convince me to do so. If that was even true she should chalk that up to hitting a small lottery for a few months. The Aria gig is different. There are rich dude from all over the world coming into Vegas, so anything is possible.[/QUOTE]