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Hey all, I'll be downtown for a work conference, and been a few years since I was to the D.
Looking for a connection based provider, GFE, that will do outcalls to a hotel right down by Cobo (or Huntington now I guess).
Whats the best site that local gals use? STG? EB? EA? Seems every area uses something different, and seeing lots of fakes and catfishing.
Anybody have a good UTR hookup?
Thanks, appreciate any pointers you can share.
[QUOTE=SilentJon123;7171757]Another one to avoid as she is just another catfish.
Just disgusting all around like her belly is nasty and flat butt and pussy stench is terrible. Good thing I wore a condom.
Did I mention she has a live in boyfriend that doesn't even know that she sells herself and came home a early and she had to make up a lie about me being a friend just so I can sneak out. The boyfriend never saw me.
Paid for half hour and I didn't even get a half hour as the boyfriend came home. Luckily he was going straight to bed.[/QUOTE]Its an old trick to have the boyfriend come home early and he don't know what she does. You can bet that's bullshit. He knows and its a scam they play. I've never seen this girl but its an old play I've had run on me years ago. Several times.
[QUOTE=Tommy101;7177871]Its an old trick to have the boyfriend come home early and he don't know what she does. You can bet that's bullshit. He knows and its a scam they play. I've never seen this girl but its an old play I've had run on me years ago. Several times.[/QUOTE]I'll keep spamming the report button to get her ads taken down.
[QUOTE=Darwin2000;7176373]Has anyone seen Stormi Love? She just popped up in my search and she looks good!
[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/stormilovexo[/URL][/QUOTE]I just don't get how these women advertise 500-1 K fir a friggen hour. Who pays that?
[QUOTE=UltraFind77;7178738]I just don't get how these women advertise 500-1 K fir a friggen hour. Who pays that?[/QUOTE]Um, rich guys? If you make 300 k a year, you could spend 1 k a week on your sex worker hobby and still have 248 k left over. Though personally, if I had that kind of dough, I would definitely go the sugar baby route.
[QUOTE=Sanctimonious6;7178770]Um, rich guys? If you make 300 k a year, you could spend 1 k a week on your sex worker hobby and still have 248 k left over. Though personally, if I had that kind of dough, I would definitely go the sugar baby route.[/QUOTE]Are you saying net 300 k otherwise no way, they're paying 100 k between taxes, health insurance and retirement, maybe more. So if you're referring to gross pay that leaves 148 k after a grand a week in the hobby. Still a good chunk of change but after food, housing expenses, gas, maintenance, that really isn't much. I'd say you have to be at least 500 k a year to throw away a grand a week. That's about 10% of gross income so a justifiably % for a hobby, IMO.
[QUOTE=UltraFind77;7178738]I just don't get how these women advertise 500-1 K fir a friggen hour. Who pays that?[/QUOTE]I'm with you on that. See any one of them once or twice and it's 1/2 and extra time if she likes you. But, some dudes have money to burn.
Rather find a utr sugar thing and get way more time, myself.
[QUOTE=UltraFind77;7178738]I just don't get how these women advertise 500-1 K fir a friggen hour. Who pays that?[/QUOTE]We got too many idiots that pay that and make them think every guy will do it. There are guys that pay these women extra money for no reason. "You're so beautiful, here's a $200 tip. " They give mediocre service for a high price tag. Just cause you can pay that high price doesn't mean you should. Most times it's not worth it.
[QUOTE=UltraFind77;7178738]I just don't get how these women advertise 500-1 K fir a friggen hour. Who pays that?[/QUOTE]I used to fundraise for a charity where we'd cold call a list of numbers in a neighborhood. Most of us would ask for a $20-30 donations and it would take an average of about 10 minutes a call to close a deal, assuming we didn't get hung up right away, which happened the vast majority of the time. We had one guy who would upfront tell the person receiving the call that he was calling on behalf of X charity and was seeking donations in the area of $100-200. Lots of people would hang up right away, way more than the rest of us. But if he hit on one an hour, he was way ahead of the rest of us, who were lucky to get 2 or 3 donations of 20-30 in the same hour.
There's risk and hassle involved for girls with every new customer they see. The guy might be LE. He might be a scammer. He might be violent. He might be on drugs. He might have VD. He might be an asshole. He has to be directed to the place of the session. He might ghost or cancel and fuck up the schedule. The girl has to clean up the room and herself between sessions.
If the girl charges 500 a session and gets 2 guys in a day, her day is way less of a risk and hassle than if she's trying to juggle 5 guys in and out of a room over the course of a day. And unless she's getting 200/ hour from each guy, she's making less money by seeing more guys at a cheaper rate.
I can't imagine me paying 500. I've passed on many due to excessive price. But if a girl wants to ask for it, it's her business. There's no harm in her asking. In economic terms, the market will self-correct.
[QUOTE=Fitzie00;7179548]I used to fundraise for a charity where we'd cold call a list of numbers in a neighborhood. Most of us would ask for a $20-30 donations and it would take an average of about 10 minutes a call to close a deal, assuming we didn't get hung up right away, which happened the vast majority of the time. We had one guy who would upfront tell the person receiving the call that he was calling on behalf of X charity and was seeking donations in the area of $100-200. Lots of people would hang up right away, way more than the rest of us. But if he hit on one an hour, he was way ahead of the rest of us, who were lucky to get 2 or 3 donations of 20-30 in the same hour.
There's risk and hassle involved for girls with every new customer they see. The guy might be LE. He might be a scammer. He might be violent. He might be on drugs. He might have VD. He might be an asshole. He has to be directed to the place of the session. He might ghost or cancel and fuck up the schedule. The girl has to clean up the room and herself between sessions.
If the girl charges 500 a session and gets 2 guys in a day, her day is way less of a risk and hassle than if she's trying to juggle 5 guys in and out of a room over the course of a day. And unless she's getting 200/ hour from each guy, she's making less money by seeing more guys at a cheaper rate.
I can't imagine me paying 500. I've passed on many due to excessive price. But if a girl wants to ask for it, it's her business. There's no harm in her asking. In economic terms, the market will self-correct.[/QUOTE]This is a great understanding and explanation of the other side. Well put!
To be clear, I'm no more a fan of the prices as anyone else.
[QUOTE=Fitzie00;7179548]I used to fundraise for a charity where we'd cold call a list of numbers in a neighborhood. Most of us would ask for a $20-30 donations and it would take an average of about 10 minutes a call to close a deal, assuming we didn't get hung up right away, which happened the vast majority of the time. We had one guy who would upfront tell the person receiving the call that he was calling on behalf of X charity and was seeking donations in the area of $100-200. Lots of people would hang up right away, way more than the rest of us. But if he hit on one an hour, he was way ahead of the rest of us, who were lucky to get 2 or 3 donations of 20-30 in the same hour.
There's risk and hassle involved for girls with every new customer they see. The guy might be LE. He might be a scammer. He might be violent. He might be on drugs. He might have VD. He might be an asshole. He has to be directed to the place of the session. He might ghost or cancel and fuck up the schedule. The girl has to clean up the room and herself between sessions.
If the girl charges 500 a session and gets 2 guys in a day, her day is way less of a risk and hassle than if she's trying to juggle 5 guys in and out of a room over the course of a day..[/QUOTE]That makes a lot of sense. I did splurge back in 2018 or 19 I saw Rio blaze, aka hot wife Rio OMG the best I've had in or out of the hobby. She is so sexy, tasted amazing etc. Originally we planned for half because that was already spendy for me I think it was 400 as time got close I had to extend so PayPal'ed her 200 more. It was a wonderful hour. She stayed in touch the next tour I couldn't make then she came back. We were talking about another date when she was here and all the sudden she cancelled the last few days. This was right before covid so I'm thinking something happened in Michigan that she decided to cut us off completely. Which really sucks I'd drop 600-700 for another hour with her, anal is on the table unfortunately she wasn't ready when I saw her so I'd share that desire before to make sure it happens.
[QUOTE=UltraFind77;7178738]I just don't get how these women advertise 500-1 K fir a friggen hour. Who pays that?[/QUOTE]Archeologists seek one day older. Race car drives one MPH faster. Some guys think the more they spend on an escort the better the babe. I go the other way.
Think of a $30.00 hooker that doesn't smell and takes direction well. That's a good day. Now spending $500.00 on an escort and she says no to anything and it was a rip.
The charity post makes a lot of sense too.
[QUOTE=HarryDude;7179728]That makes a lot of sense. I did splurge back in 2018 or 19 I saw Rio blaze, aka hot wife Rio OMG the best I've had in or out of the hobby. She is so sexy, tasted amazing etc. Originally we planned for half because that was already spendy for me I think it was 400 as time got close I had to extend so PayPal'ed her 200 more. It was a wonderful hour. She stayed in touch the next tour I couldn't make then she came back. We were talking about another date when she was here and all the sudden she cancelled the last few days. This was right before covid so I'm thinking something happened in Michigan that she decided to cut us off completely. Which really sucks I'd drop 600-700 for another hour with her, anal is on the table unfortunately she wasn't ready when I saw her so I'd share that desire before to make sure it happens.[/QUOTE]You had hot wife Rio? That's awesome man. I remember watching her porn and stuff back in her prime but never figured she was escorting. She wasn't my favorite but now I'm wondering who else I missed out on back in their day. Can you imagine being with Heather Harmon or Naughty Allie? Oh man...
[QUOTE=FaslFasl;7180220]You had hot wife Rio? That's awesome man. I remember watching her porn and stuff back in her prime but never figured she was escorting. She wasn't my favorite but now I'm wondering who else I missed out on back in their day. Can you imagine being with Heather Harmon or Naughty Allie? Oh man...[/QUOTE]Eros is usually where I look, just keep in mind that half the girls that post in the pornstar section aren't actually pornstars. 3 ish years ago Jada Stevens was in town and I paid way too much for her and I saw Juelz Ventura 5 ish years ago in Vegas. Lauren Phillips is in the game but has never come to Detroit as far as I know.
[QUOTE=UltraFind77;7178738]I just don't get how these women advertise 500-1 K fir a friggen hour. Who pays that?[/QUOTE]I had two quotes from two different UTR girls this week. The first wanted $800 and the second $1000. HARD PASS on both.
[QUOTE=NotJeff69;7180293]I had two quotes from two different UTR girls this week. The first wanted $800 and the second $1000. HARD PASS on both.[/QUOTE]I had one ask for $1500.
[QUOTE=WednesdayFun;7180327]I had one ask for $1500.[/QUOTE]Max I'll pay is $120.
[QUOTE=FaslFasl;7180220]You had hot wife Rio? That's awesome man. I remember watching her porn and stuff back in her prime but never figured she was escorting. She wasn't my favorite but now I'm wondering who else I missed out on back in their day. Can you imagine being with Heather Harmon or Naughty Allie? Oh man...[/QUOTE]There's a waitress at lake point in Livonia that looks similar to naughty Allie imo. And yes she was amazing. Kind of laugh thinking about how many chicks I've fucked over the years, in personal life about 20-25 in the hobby another 50-70 many drunk nights at strip clubs, escorts, AMP. When on the topic I have to lie and even the lie gets looks like I'm a ***** hahaha if they only knew.
[QUOTE=BrkFrStrumpets;7180190]Archeologists seek one day older. Race car drives one MPH faster. Some guys think the more they spend on an escort the better the babe. I go the other way.
Think of a $30.00 hooker that doesn't smell and takes direction well. That's a good day. Now spending $500.00 on an escort and she says no to anything and it was a rip.
The charity post makes a lot of sense too.[/QUOTE]My best experiences in the hobby were ones I paid the least for and it had nothing to do with the cost.
[QUOTE=EatonBeaver;7180443]My best experiences in the hobby were ones I paid the least for and it had nothing to do with the cost.[/QUOTE]I wish there was a "like button. In my experience high prices come with a list of rules and a lot of bending over backwards. Honestly my best experiences have come from new chicks that 99.9% of guys would assume were TGTBT. AND you know why you never hear about them? Because nobody wants to ruin a good thing when they find it.
[QUOTE=NeilYoung999;7180525]I wish there was a "like button. In my experience high prices come with a list of rules and a lot of bending over backwards. Honestly my best experiences have come from new chicks that 99.9% of guys would assume were TGTBT. AND you know why you never hear about them? Because nobody wants to ruin a good thing when they find it.[/QUOTE]My only bad experiences playing in the $500/ hr league has been with Caucasian or black women. They just pour on the rules and act like I'm lucky just to see them naked. The Brazilian women however. They have been amazing at that level. Perfect bodies, perfect kisses, and more often than not, everything has been available to me. Nothing is a guarantee but I have been in this hobby for a long time and have only had a couple of experiences that were underwhelming with the Brazilians.
[QUOTE=TheSkiGuy;7180264]Eros is usually where I look, just keep in mind that half the girls that post in the pornstar section aren't actually pornstars. 3 ish years ago Jada Stevens was in town and I paid way too much for her and I saw Juelz Ventura 5 ish years ago in Vegas. Lauren Phillips is in the game but has never come to Detroit as far as I know.[/QUOTE]Back in 2010 I got crazy lucky and noticed that Brandi Love was planning to visit Detroit. Ended up spending 2 hours in her company. That was in my top 10 life long memories.
[QUOTE=NeilYoung999;7180525]I wish there was a "like button. In my experience high prices come with a list of rules and a lot of bending over backwards. Honestly my best experiences have come from new chicks that 99.9% of guys would assume were TGTBT. AND you know why you never hear about them? Because nobody wants to ruin a good thing when they find it.[/QUOTE]Agreed, but I think the most I've ever paid for an escort was either $250 or $300. That was back in around 2012 or 2013. I'm pretty sure that Scorps was still around then.
Now, I'm very hesitant to see anyone aside from inside of the clubs or OTC with the dancers that I know. STG and Escort Alligator make me uncertain and uncomfortable, because I'm afraid of being in a sting. Truthfully, I've considered doing so, but only after I've read reviews of someone confirming that they're real and legit on here. As a resource, this board is invaluable.
[QUOTE=HarryDude;7179728]That makes a lot of sense. I did splurge back in 2018 or 19 I saw Rio blaze, aka hot wife Rio OMG the best I've had in or out of the hobby. She is so sexy, tasted amazing etc. Originally we planned for half because that was already spendy for me I think it was 400 as time got close I had to extend so PayPal'ed her 200 more. It was a wonderful hour. She stayed in touch the next tour I couldn't make then she came back. We were talking about another date when she was here and all the sudden she cancelled the last few days. This was right before covid so I'm thinking something happened in Michigan that she decided to cut us off completely. Which really sucks I'd drop 600-700 for another hour with her, anal is on the table unfortunately she wasn't ready when I saw her so I'd share that desire before to make sure it happens.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think I remember that. Around April of 2020.
[QUOTE=Fitzie00;7179548]I used to fundraise for a charity where we'd cold call a list of numbers in a neighborhood. Most of us would ask for a $20-30 donations and it would take an average of about 10 minutes a call to close a deal, assuming we didn't get hung up right away, which happened the vast majority of the time. We had one guy who would upfront tell the person receiving the call that he was calling on behalf of X charity and was seeking donations in the area of $100-200. Lots of people would hang up right away, way more than the rest of us. But if he hit on one an hour, he was way ahead of the rest of us, who were lucky to get 2 or 3 donations of 20-30 in the same hour.
There's risk and hassle involved for girls with every new customer they see. The guy might be LE. He might be a scammer. He might be violent. He might be on drugs. He might have VD. He might be an asshole. He has to be directed to the place of the session. He might ghost or cancel and fuck up the schedule. The girl has to clean up the room and herself between sessions.
If the girl charges 500 a session and gets 2 guys in a day, her day is way less of a risk and hassle than if she's trying to juggle 5 guys in and out of a room over the course of a day. And unless she's getting 200/ hour from each guy, she's making less money by seeing more guys at a cheaper rate.
I can't imagine me paying 500. I've passed on many due to excessive price. But if a girl wants to ask for it, it's her business. There's no harm in her asking. In economic terms, the market will self-correct.[/QUOTE]There's truth in that, but it's also not the full story. The upfront higher fee, yes, it's weeding people out. But, you make it seem like it's what they settle for 90% of the time. I don't think it is.
The problem with it. And I'm not saying getting more is a problem. But, the problem always is. We all know they do way less than that and that they actually don't do many apts at the rate they post.
They post it bc amateurs who don't care get it. And, bc amateur sb's get it. So, sure thing that's in between.
In my experience, it always leads to them offering less for regs, which turns into regs get shafted bc they think they're worth more. I see some 'in demand' women post on social media how men will lowball them. But, the thing is. In the same text thread. The woman is telling the guy she'll negotiate LOL! He only lowballs his entry point. It isn't a problem that he negotiated lower, it was just 'too much' lower, and she posts it and doesn't even realize she revealed she'll take less.
All in all, this has turned into a thing if you want something regular, it's sb and amateurs.
[QUOTE=IWonderWhy;7180867]Back in 2010 I got crazy lucky and noticed that Brandi Love was planning to visit Detroit. Ended up spending 2 hours in her company. That was in my top 10 life long memories.[/QUOTE]That's awesome dude. I'm seriously jealous. Juelz was probably my favorite pornstar experience.
I received a text message with a pic attached of the woman who went by Rose, in Wyandotte the real space cadet in the blue house who had super large breasts that said she's tested positive for HIV and to possibly get checked.
Not sure if it's a prank, but I don't think that's something that should be taken lightly.
I only saw her one time around 4-5 years ago for massage, nothing more.
Be safe, all.
[QUOTE=Gyxser70;7181482]I received a text message with a pic attached of the woman who went by Rose, in Wyandotte the real space cadet in the blue house who had super large breasts that said she's tested positive for HIV and to possibly get checked.
Not sure if it's a prank, but I don't think that's something that should be taken lightly.
I only saw her one time around 4-5 years ago for massage, nothing more.
Be safe, all.[/QUOTE]Idk but if you're in this lifestyle you should be getting tested regularly anyways. I go to the health department yearly just for peace of mind and free condoms. Just saying.
[QUOTE=Gyxser70;7181482]I received a text message with a pic attached of the woman who went by Rose, in Wyandotte the real space cadet in the blue house who had super large breasts that said she's tested positive for HIV and to possibly get checked.
Not sure if it's a prank, but I don't think that's something that should be taken lightly.
I only saw her one time around 4-5 years ago for massage, nothing more.
Be safe, all.[/QUOTE]I dm'd someone who posted about a woman with positive texting and I'm fairly certain this is who and what he was talking about. Not saying that it conforms it but the rumors are out there.
[QUOTE=DrCumReturns;7181634]I dm'd someone who posted about a woman with positive texting and I'm fairly certain this is who and what he was talking about. Not saying that it conforms it but the rumors are out there.[/QUOTE]She most likely is messaging any number she has who set up an appointment with her through her "scheduler" LOL over the years.
I never had any interest in doing anything with her after the massage.
A long time ago there was another guy who said he saw her and posted about it here. He noticed a red bump on his member and was going to go get it checked out. She was out there.
I hope no one has seen her recently.
[QUOTE=NeilYoung999;7181610]Idk but if you're in this lifestyle you should be getting tested regularly anyways. I go to the health department yearly just for peace of mind and free condoms. Just saying.[/QUOTE]Same here.
[QUOTE=Gyxser70;7181482]I received a text message with a pic attached of the woman who went by Rose, in Wyandotte the real space cadet in the blue house who had super large breasts that said she's tested positive for HIV and to possibly get checked.
Not sure if it's a prank, but I don't think that's something that should be taken lightly.
I only saw her one time around 4-5 years ago for massage, nothing more.
Be safe, all.[/QUOTE]I know someone that received this too. My understanding is that as long as you did not have unprotected vaginal or anal sex you should be ok. I don't think you can catch this from receiving oral only if that is all you did. If you hand a handy you are ok too. The risk is with vaginal and anal. Thats how I understand it anyway.
[QUOTE=IWonderWhy;7180867]Back in 2010 I got crazy lucky and noticed that Brandi Love was planning to visit Detroit. Ended up spending 2 hours in her company. That was in my top 10 life long memories.[/QUOTE]Coincidentally, Brandi is apparently in town right now. There were pics on reddit of her at the Wings game this week.
[QUOTE=SterlingCooper;7181729]Coincidentally, Brandi is apparently in town right now. There were pics on reddit of her at the Wings game this week.[/QUOTE]She is from Dearborn.
[QUOTE=EatonBeaver;7180443]My best experiences in the hobby were ones I paid the least for and it had nothing to do with the cost.[/QUOTE]I think you're right. Distilled every encounter is YMMV no matter price point or even number of visits.
[QUOTE=BrkFrStrumpets;7181822]I think you're right. Distilled every encounter is YMMV no matter price point or even number of visits.[/QUOTE]IN GENERAL my experience is you get what you pay for. I have rarely been disappointed when splurging on a deluxe provider. I may not always feel like they were worth the cost, but it is hardly ever a "bad" experience. " Meanwhile, I have rarely been pleasantly surprised by a budget provider, though of course when it does happen, it's a wonderful feeling. My very best experiences have been ones I spent irresponsible amounts of money on, which unfortunately I can't afford to do very often. All of my terrible experiences that made me want to quit the hobby were with low-end STG girls.
[QUOTE=Sanctimonious6;7181892]IN GENERAL my experience is you get what you pay for. I have rarely been disappointed when splurging on a deluxe provider. I may not always feel like they were worth the cost, but it is hardly ever a "bad" experience. " Meanwhile, I have rarely been pleasantly surprised by a budget provider, though of course when it does happen, it's a wonderful feeling. My very best experiences have been ones I spent irresponsible amounts of money on, which unfortunately I can't afford to do very often. All of my terrible experiences that made me want to quit the hobby were with low-end STG girls.[/QUOTE]How much is irresponsible amounts of money to you?
[QUOTE=Mrtroy;7175330]What happened to all the Asian hotel ad seem like all disappeared. Anyone visit them still?[/QUOTE]ICE probably had something to do with their disappearance.
[QUOTE=Gyxser70;7181907]How much is irresponsible amounts of money to you?[/QUOTE]400+ for full hour. It was a lower number up until the last year or so, but the inflation in this business has been crazy, as you know.
[QUOTE=Sanctimonious6;7181951]400+ for full hour. It was a lower number up until the last year or so, but the inflation in this business has been crazy, as you know.[/QUOTE]I will add that one of my very, very best experiences was 600 for 2 hours with a Detroit-based porn star in 2020. These days, much lesser providers are asking that amount for one hour. And I guarantee that no 200 dollar STG girl is going to come remotely close to that experience, different universe entirely. So when I hear guys say their best times were with low-end girls, it makes me wonder which high-end providers they've seen. Or maybe they are just looking for a different kind of encounter than I am.