Sugar Daddy Sites

So I have jumped back on the site because, I need a little SB action in my life. I have to say I have found some diamonds in the rough in the $3-$4 range. However LOL these women try to start at $1 k. I had another woman who is 40 plus, say she gets between $3 k-$10 k per visit. I laughed so hard and asked her why are you on the site if you get that much money now? Of course I was blocked. All these other girls who start at $1 k with a laundry list of no's are such time wasters. I had to explain to one of them, I could fuck a pornstar for 2 plus hours for $1 k. Why would I pay you?! Sorry rant over but damn, if any of you guys are laying $1 k WTF you doing?!

[QUOTE=SaltWaterLbc;7408920]So I have jumped back on the site because, I need a little SB action in my life. I have to say I have found some diamonds in the rough in the $3-$4 range. However LOL these women try to start at $1 k. I had another woman who is 40 plus, say she gets between $3 k-$10 k per visit. I laughed so hard and asked her why are you on the site if you get that much money now? Of course I was blocked. All these other girls who start at $1 k with a laundry list of no's are such time wasters. I had to explain to one of them, I could fuck a pornstar for 2 plus hours for $1 k. Why would I pay you?! Sorry rant over but damn, if any of you guys are laying $1 k WTF you doing?![/QUOTE]Who is paying these prices or are these women delusional and trying to manifest it into reality? I should start a consulting service to get rich no game guys to get decent priced decent women on seeking LOL. It seems guys with more money than sense just throw money at the first woman who checks their boxes. A lot of these women are those trashy and lower class party girls and rich guy with zero taste yacht party fodder.

I'm working on a couple now but they want $1,000 ppm LOL.

[QUOTE=MidnightDabber;7409400]Who is paying these prices or are these women delusional and trying to manifest it into reality? I should start a consulting service to get rich no game guys to get decent priced decent women on seeking LOL. It seems guys with more money than sense just throw money at the first woman who checks their boxes. A lot of these women are those trashy and lower class party girls and rich guy with zero taste yacht party fodder.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head my friend. So many trashy women AND definitely trying to manifest something into reality. I am super blunt with most them. I also tell them I am tested and only play bare. If they aren't okay with it and not under $400, then I tell them to kick rocks. I have 3 so far that have passed and I am going to meet them next week.

Another SD told me today he also had this experience.

I was w / a 30 YO blond spinner SB who loves to BJ and swallow. She was blowing me, and I asked her to give me her phone. I started videoing her. She texted me after our FC session how hot she thought that was, sent me some of the video (not showing her face), and asked for more video in different positions every time after. She even went to a porn site and got a pic of a girl doing camel slides to show me what she wanted to video.

Some girls are going to be reluctant to do video, but when they have control of them, their worries get overcome by their horniness, I guess.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7406433]I have been thinking lately of how to find SBs in the wild, not on websites. I purchased laser-print business cards I am going to put my sugar info on to give any girl I've chatted up.

Today I am waiting for my SB to get to the hotel we're using (she booked it). I see a gal drive in in a brand new Tesla, park, and go into the hotel. She just had a 'look'. I wrote a quick note and put it under her wiper, that it seemed we were there for the same thing, and if she was interested in a SD, she should text me. I just got a text from her, she's Russian, 2 years in the US. We'll see how this goes. Yes, IK Russians have a rep to be quite mercenary. She might be an escort, too.[/QUOTE]Careful bro, you might be on her Tesla's Sentry Mode cam, and if you parked next to or behind her, she's probably got your car's make / model and possibly license plate. I know you're obsesed with opsec, so just be careful.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;7411251]Careful bro, you might be on her Tesla's Sentry Mode cam, and if you parked next to or behind her, she's probably got your car's make / model and possibly license plate. I know you're obsesed with opsec, so just be careful.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the concern. Since I was awaiting going in to FC my SB, my plate was off. And she parked a ways from me. But I appreciate knowing that Teslas have such technology for future reference. It is a bit surprising she can afford the car, but who knows.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;7411251]Careful bro, you might be on her Tesla's Sentry Mode cam, and if you parked next to or behind her, she's probably got your car's make / model and possibly license plate. I know you're obsesed with opsec, so just be careful.[/QUOTE]One thing that is handy about trying to find sugar on the hoof, they aren't steeped in all of the websites and blogs. For example, this gal gave me her phone # that is her real #, I got her full name from SnapChat, and then got online and found out she was an actress in Russia. Legit, not porn. She is just a middle-age MILF, which is fine for this oldster.

[QUOTE=SaltWaterLbc;7408920]So I have jumped back on the site because, I need a little SB action in my life. I have to say I have found some diamonds in the rough in the $3-$4 range. However LOL these women try to start at $1 k. I had another woman who is 40 plus, say she gets between $3 k-$10 k per visit. I laughed so hard and asked her why are you on the site if you get that much money now? Of course I was blocked. All these other girls who start at $1 k with a laundry list of no's are such time wasters. I had to explain to one of them, I could fuck a porn star for 2 plus hours for $1 k. Why would I pay you?! Sorry rant over but damn, if any of you guys are laying $1 k WTF you doing?![/QUOTE]As a guy who has been a low baller since I graduated with an associates in sugaring, I can tell you its all social media fault. Watch tiktok and you will understand why. Teenage girls are being schooled for years before even trying to get their first paid date. They are treating their civi BF's like tricks and being told to ask for money or blow them off. There are also dozens if not hundreds of 304's and SB's giving out info on how to play the game. The # of 18-22 year old Girls has dropped significantly on seeking as these girls are now getting paid by a much younger crowd. And TBH they would rather be getting paid to have sex by a young guy than someone over 50. And if you are older they figure they deserve more. The market has been trashed.

I have always kept my profile hidden from search, that way, I get to look at her profile before she gets to go to mine. I figure this is good opsec. For forever, every time I am on there, there is a message - 'your profile cannot be searched' and I ignored it. Duh, yeah, IK that. Well, I logged in yesterday, and the site took me directly through a process to 'fix' my profile. I was forced to change the profile name to a human first name. And they have a bot that checks that it is one, otherwise they reject it. Both of the large text sections from my years old profile were wiped out, and I was forced to make some other choices for categories I hadn't entered earlier.

Also, I was composing a message, and a bot prevented me from using the word 'arrangement' - I have my standard opener that (of course) used that word, and oddly I could still paste that in. But if you are typing, no more for that verboten word. I mean, I am in favor of keeping blatant escorts off the site and all, but doesn't this seem a little precious.

One other observation about my current membership. There is the perennial dance for those of us UTR about how to pay with prepaid debit cards. Which ones work, etc. I contribute a fair amount to the discussion. Most recently, I've been using Amex gift cards, because they work on the sister site of seeking, WYP, and they have the same payment processor. Well, of course, I spend $150 on a new one, and it doesn't work. Then I am on a trip this weekend. So, a different URL, a different wifi, but the same computer, browser, etc. Just on a lark, I think 'I'll try that card again'. And to my surprise, payment went through. I have zero idea what seeking is up to, if there are times they turn off and on the acceptance of certain forms of payment, and how this could be to their advantage. The lesson is, though, try switching things up a little and don't give up trying these cards.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;7414020]As a guy who has been a low baller since I graduated with an associates in sugaring, I can tell you its all social media fault. Watch tiktok and you will understand why. Teenage girls are being schooled for years before even trying to get their first paid date. They are treating their civi BF's like tricks and being told to ask for money or blow them off. There are also dozens if not hundreds of 304's and SB's giving out info on how to play the game. The # of 18-22 year old Girls has dropped significantly on seeking as these girls are now getting paid by a much younger crowd. And TBH they would rather be getting paid to have sex by a young guy than someone over 50. And if you are older they figure they deserve more. The market has been trashed.[/QUOTE]Wait a minute, didn't you used to work for some of these sugar daddy websites?

A comparable is how California built up decades of cannabis genetics. When money showed up they all sold-out and are broke. I personally feel that you lead the bandwagon to this hell you mastered while using deceptive techniques to create an abomination to which here you now complain.

My personal take.

[QUOTE=Christophe1;7414583]Wait a minute, didn't you used to work for some of these sugar daddy websites?

A comparable is how California built up decades of cannabis genetics. When money showed up they all sold-out and are broke. I personally feel that you lead the bandwagon to this hell you mastered while using deceptive techniques to create an abomination to which here you now complain.

My personal take.[/QUOTE]No. I actually worked for mainstream sites like eharmony for about 5 years. I did work a few days here and there at a couple of SD sites just to see if it was worth my time. But it never was.

My GF is a perfect example of the progression some of these girls take. Met her as a non pro, she then started dancing which evolved to sugaring and finally to online chatting. She makes more chatting online (with her clothes on) than she ever did doing any of her other adult entertainment activities.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7414335]
Also, I was composing a message, and a bot prevented me from using the word 'arrangement' - I have my standard opener that (of course) used that word, and oddly I could still paste that in. But if you are typing, no more for that verboten word. I mean, I am in favor of keeping blatant escorts off the site and all, but doesn't this seem a little precious.[/QUOTE]I believe the # of pros vs UTR or the unicorn non-pros or newbies has shifted strongly to the pro side. And the fees have gone way up. I routinely paid a $ a date for years. Now it's $$-$$$ for the same girls.

[QUOTE=Christophe1;7414583]Wait a minute, didn't you used to work for some of these sugar daddy websites?

A comparable is how California built up decades of cannabis genetics. When money showed up they all sold-out and are broke. I personally feel that you lead the bandwagon to this hell you mastered while using deceptive techniques to create an abomination to which here you now complain.

My personal take.[/QUOTE]Christophe little bit harsh there man with the deceptive techniques you mention. HG, you, me and a couple others guys still kickin around this forum are the OGs of non-pros and sugaring. We've been around for a long ass time on this forum. Only difference is I had a different username back then.

Reading HGs posts over the years and how he negotiated with non-pros. I saw that it was a bit similar to my negotiation skills. Not exact but a bit more than a few similarities. And I would never call it deceptive. I'd say better a breakdown of money provided over time / meets versus only one large sum for one meet. Basics of quantity over quality kind of. That's just being smart and to me not deceptive. Deceptive would be something like the smash & dash. By either negotiating a monthly or weekly allowance to be paid at the end of the month / week. Fucking the girl all week or month and then not showing up to pay at the end of the month/week. Or the fake money in an envelope trick. That's deceptive, fucked up and being a straight thief.

And he's right the market is trash nowadays. For me a sugarbaby should always be 18 to 22, college age girls. They don't necessarily have to be in college but those ages. Maybe 25 to 28 max sometimes if they still have a great body and face. 30 somethings and above have no business being sugarbabies. It's a young honeys game. Non-pros on the other hand are a toss up. And you have to be open-minded on their ages. Because as Forrest said you never know what you're gonna get with non-pro ads. LOL.

So let's be cool with a fellow OG man. HGs been around since the beginning of our non-pro / sugaring shenanigans.

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