"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I am generally pretty open about having multiple babies, when I have them. If a girls asks, then I am pretty open. I've found that the young girls these days are accustomed to the idea that until things get serious, both parties will be dating around. Of course I prefer that a baby be monogomous with me, but have found that when I bring up that conversation, it leaves me in a position of weaknesses. Some babies will see this as an opportunity to negotiate. Regardless, I always want my babies to know who is in control.

The other reason I like being honest is because I've found that if a SB knows I have multiple babies it drives them crazy. Women are just as competitive as men, especially when it comes to other women. When they approach you about being monogomous, it leaves you in a position of power. Now you get to dictate terms to them. Was your baby hesitant to go bareback? Well, then tell her that SB 2 likes it in the ass bareback (nicely of course) and see how quickly some of those inhibitions disappear.

So far my MO has been to whittle down to one SB because trying to juggle more than one main SB with potentially one backup becomes too crazy when you're also juggling a full time job and SO. The SO will only accept so many excuses for having to work late, go out with co-workers, etc.

Once I have an established stable, I generally find that multiple girls gives me the ability to dictate terms to them. It helps keep them in check. I've also found that once I once I get to one SB, the SB starts getting the impression that she is safe, and then becomes more demanding.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2637558]The guys that have more then one baby I have a question.

Do you let them know you have more than one baby, or do you keep it silent in fear of losing that pussy from your lineup?

This new baby of mine, that I was out with the two nights ago on a ship for dinner, and we ended up in the strip club afterward observing, and also finding out how open minded she is. She also made it a point to make it known the past problems she has had guys and them wanting to get serious, so in that vein I let her know she would not have to worry about that with me. I went on to tell her I had one currently, and others from my recent past, and that my current goal was to settle on two only, and she is the one I would like to add. Obviously she said it was fine, but what is she going to say in the middle of a fun date "no that is unacceptable"? Maybe, but I think the true test might be today, as we set up a FC date at my house later today. I reached out early this morning with a "Good morning" greeting on text. Then later in the morning I let her know I wanted to plan my day and asked "are we still on for later? No response yet. So if I don't get one then that should pretty much mean she's not down for me having another baby, and I'm back to looking for that second baby to add to my lineup.

So what do you guys think?[/QUOTE]

Not gifting for the m&g is the best policy, both for you and for other brothers. Otherwise the gift at the m&g establishes a floor of what will be expected for every date moving forward.

More of our brothers should follow this standard.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2637467]You might already know by know, but the Index is right below the Sugarbabies thread.

Yes this game is easier done in China. What part of Asia do you travel? And agreed many more beautiful girls in China. Not much fat seen there.

Oh and I never give gifts at a M & G. I'll do dinner, and to me that is more than enough for a M & G.[/QUOTE]

LOL,

This girl is on SA and when I contacted her she was very eager to meet up quickly. I knew she was a pro. She told me she hadn't had sex with a guy in six years because.

She was with girls and also she was in jail for a violation. She talking about how she needed $249 for books. I told her I can't do $200 for an hour and she got offended.

And told me that if I wanted a cheap girl I should look on backpage. Well Well, looks like this girl has been on backpage some time. LOL.

She told me that she doesn't have a car. Just sharing info, I called her out on this and of course she got mad. She claims she has had guys pay $500 plus tip. LOL yeah ok.

Well at least we know her price range. Stay safe brothers.

[URL]http://richmond.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/want-some-real-satisfying-pleasure/15858750[/URL]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2637770]Not gifting for the m&g is the best policy, both for you and for other brothers. Otherwise the gift at the m&g establishes a floor of what will be expected for every date moving forward.

More of our brothers should follow this standard.[/QUOTE]Absolutely.

I have had only one or two bring that up, and it has always resulted in me suggesting they try What's Your Price. It's always smarter to disengage politely and constructively, and if they go to WYP and succeed, obviously both they and competing males are removed from the pool. If they don't succeed at WYP then they should know better next time on the standard SB sites. They never got back to me, so. Next!

I've also always talked in terms of a ". No obligation meeting over coffee before deciding if there's to be a mutually beneficial arrangement. " Put that way, I am telling her that the m&g is not part of any arrangement yet and so shouldn't be paid.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2637791]LOL,

This girl is on SA and when I contacted her she was very eager to meet up quickly. I knew she was a pro. She told me she hadn't had sex with a guy in six years because.

She was with girls and also she was in jail for a violation. She talking about how she needed $249 for books. I told her I can't do $200 for an hour and she got offended.

And told me that if I wanted a cheap girl I should look on backpage. Well Well, looks like this girl has been on backpage some time. LOL.

She told me that she doesn't have a car. Just sharing info, I called her out on this and of course she got mad. She claims she has had guys pay $500 plus tip. LOL yeah ok.

Well at least we know her price range. Stay safe brothers.

[URL]http://richmond.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/want-some-real-satisfying-pleasure/15858750[/URL][/QUOTE]No way I would pay 249 for that. She is lying if she claims to have received 500. Also, I have never brought up an allowance for a M&G. My time is just as valuable as their time. Besides, I'm paying for dinner. If they mention an allowance for a M&G dinner then I know they are money grubbing and I move on. If you give them money during the first M&G you will never see them again. Most of the time I try to schedule a M&G close to my house. If it doesn't work out then I am a mile away from my house. If it does work out then I am at the FC in 3-4 minutes. We need to stay firm with these ladies so they don't have unrealistic expectations and don't take us for a ride. Stay firm.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2637791]LOL,

This girl is on SA and when I contacted her she was very eager to meet up quickly. I knew she was a pro. She told me she hadn't had sex with a guy in six years because.

She was with girls and also she was in jail for a violation. She talking about how she needed $249 for books. I told her I can't do $200 for an hour and she got offended.

And told me that if I wanted a cheap girl I should look on backpage. Well Well, looks like this girl has been on backpage some time. LOL.

She told me that she doesn't have a car. Just sharing info, I called her out on this and of course she got mad. She claims she has had guys pay $500 plus tip. LOL yeah ok.

Well at least we know her price range. Stay safe brothers.

[URL]http://richmond.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/want-some-real-satisfying-pleasure/15858750[/URL][/QUOTE]I wouldn't see her if she paid me. YMMV of course.

My new 24 yr old baby just left. Damn good performance with that feminine little girl voice and her soft moans and an occasional "oh daddy that feels so good". This was our first FC, so tonight I was able to get a good look at her body. We met last Tuesday for lunch and she had loose clothing on disguising that body. I had a hunch she had a smoking body. Friday when we went out she had this nice blue dress on with white high heels, but her dress was a little loose. There was more confirmation that she had a nice body, but tonight when she was naked I was stunned how perfect that little feminine body is with that milky white skin, long light brown hair, and braces on top of it. Her breasts are small, but with a lean body you are going to get that. I'm not a boob man, so that doesn't matter as much as the body and ass. She's got the wettest great tasting pussy you would find. Everything about her is good so far, but I haven't even known her for a week yet, but the early returns are promising. The funny thing is she has gotten carded the last two times and I would suspect it will be a common occurrence. She still has this young girl look and throw in that she has braces on top of it, and has this natural giggle that she can't help. Put all of that together and you get one big ass pop while in bed with her. I like this one. I just hope she doesn't turn into a flake or go weird on me.

My 22 year old baby is still recovering from a nasty cold.

Thanks for the feedback from my query. I believe it will depend on the girl. My 24 yr old is down with it and even hinted that maybe we all could meet for a threesome someday. I'll have to think about that one. I don't think I want to take the chance of losing one or both over competition.

I'm not sure how the 22 yr old would react to me telling her she is one of two regular babies for me.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2637487]I think many girls today fantasize about being dominated. Look at the popularity of "50 Shades of Grey". They want someone that is experienced and makes them feel safe to explore. Obviously, Sugar Daddy sites have a high percentage of these type of girls.

I've actually become much more dominant as I've learned that's what many of these girls like. (and I like it too![/QUOTE]I'm still picking up on the dynamics of my SB, but it definitely seems like she wants a DD more than a SD. At this point, her life and well-being are in my hands. I think she enjoys this comfort a lot more than fending for herself and being "independent". I'm very gentle with her; making the call to be stern only when necessary.

I recently picked up on the response I get when being more dominant. The times when I'm laying down rules and restrictions she's more attentive. If I'm pointing out behavior that I don't like with small admonishments from time to time she's more inclined to curl up under me afterwards. This isn't so much a call to make a sexual advance. Oftentimes, she's in need of nurturing. Her entire aura is joy and happiness. A few times she's said to me that this relationship is sweeter than heaven.

The thing that comes to mind most is that we're not role-playing. It's been a natural progression. Looking back I think this is why our SB / SD relationship became long-term. When you throw in things like being the first person to introduce her to certain foods, a luxurious lifestyle and excess to spending cash its clear that I'm seen as "paternal". In return, she's adapted to being a home-maker and enjoys doing chores. She's identified me as "caregiver" or "Daddy". She's had other "SD" and civi dating relationships before we became exclusive. The difference was that I was controlling of more aspects of her life. Which put her at ease. It wasn't so much flooding her with cash or shopping trips. Investing time into what. Type of clothes she should wear, her dieting, discussing school work (full-time grad student), etc. Has lead to her embracing her child-side in the safety of home, versus the demands of being out in the world as an adult.

It's an exercise in gaining trust and forming a routine. Obviously, her "little girl" side does come with some brat behavior and tantrums. I'm learning more and more how to balance encouragement vs discipline, reward vs gifting. I'm extremely patient with her and very attentive.

There are times when I think of going back to multiple SB's and all the adrenaline and sex that goes with it. In some ways I find my. Current SB / Submissive more fulfilling. It's become a more GF / SO type of arrangement mainly because there's so much more to explore.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2638194]My new 24 yr old baby just left. Damn good performance with that feminine little girl voice and her soft moans and an occasional "oh daddy that feels so good". This was our first FC, so tonight I was able to get a good look at her body. We met last Tuesday for lunch and she had loose clothing on disguising that body. I had a hunch she had a smoking body. Friday when we went out she had this nice blue dress on with white high heels, but her dress was a little loose. There was more confirmation that she had a nice body, but tonight when she was naked I was stunned how perfect that little feminine body is with that milky white skin, long light brown hair, and braces on top of it. Her breasts are small, but with a lean body you are going to get that. I'm not a boob man, so that doesn't matter as much as the body and ass. She's got the wettest great tasting pussy you would find. Everything about her is good so far, but I haven't even known her for a week yet, but the early returns are promising. The funny thing is she has gotten carded the last two times and I would suspect it will be a common occurrence. She still has this young girl look and throw in that she has braces on top of it, and has this natural giggle that she can't help. Put all of that together and you get one big ass pop while in bed with her. I like this one. I just hope she doesn't turn into a flake or go weird on me.

My 22 year old baby is still recovering from a nasty cold.[/QUOTE]Gained lots of experiences from The Bowl. I'd say 23-25 is my weakness age. These girls are at their peak. Maybe it's all downhill after 27. LMAO.

[QUOTE=ILikeHotWomen;2637105]I seem to remember her on backpage or something? Please post or pm me details. I supposedly ran across her online.[/QUOTE]She is on SA.

The desperation that comes off a girl after 24/25 is palpable. After the mid 20's, they also realize they are past their prime. I've found that after the mid 20's, the ladies on SA are either looking to make a quick buck, looking to settle down, or are in a bad financial situation and are just too needy for me to deal with.

This is why I set my search filter to 18 - 25. Sure I might miss one or two, but the time wasted on a lady over 25 means that I would missed an amazing encounter with a young lady who was in it more for the experience (and with nothing sagging on any part of her body) .

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2638438]Gained lots of experiences from The Bowl. I'd say 23-25 is my weakness age. These girls are at their peak. Maybe it's all downhill after 27. LMAO.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2638438]Gained lots of experiences from The Bowl. I'd say 23-25 is my weakness age. These girls are at their peak. Maybe it's all downhill after 27. LMAO.[/QUOTE]There is no doubt this 24 year old has pussy at its peak. It was wet beyond comprehension LOL. It was literally dripping wet. I shit you not.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2638666]The desperation that comes off a girl after 24/25 is palpable. After the mid 20's, they also realize they are past their prime. I've found that after the mid 20's, the ladies on SA are either looking to make a quick buck, looking to settle down, or are in a bad financial situation and are just too needy for me to deal with.

This is why I set my search filter to 18 - 25. Sure I might miss one or two, but the time wasted on a lady over 25 means that I would missed an amazing encounter with a young lady who was in it more for the experience (and with nothing sagging on any part of her body) .[/QUOTE]Age 20-27 was my kill zone for SBs.

My analysis is that 20-22 was a bit too young and inexperienced. For example, last date with a 21 yo I figured it'd be cool to let her drive my Range Rover. Should have known something was up when she said her DL permit was expired. This 5 minute drive ended up with some close accidents, a camera ticket for running a red light and I had to take the wheel when we got to the destination to parallel park for her. I liked everything about the 21 yo, but her attitude and irritabilities were just too much. The sex was excellent and she loved to please, but I knew that date would be our last time seeing each other.

26 and Up.

I found them mostly to be know-it-alls and dish out criticisms left and right. They're sort of like single women in their 30's before they've been passed around alot. They're annoying and difficult and I suppose this is when they start getting gamed by alpha males. They're starting to see how the decline is setting in. They quickly realize that their Sociology major, minor in English isn't going to get them too far as an "independent" woman. These girls are often new in the workforce or a combo of grad student and part-time job. They see the lifestyle of girls on TV and are thinking why not them. It's because there's a flock of 22-24 yo SBs that haven't been jaded; have no expectations and aren't as desperate for a social status upgrade.

30's and up. I entertained a few of these dates. The outcome was either highly sexual, casual relationship and then the hints about committing and combining spending trips, etc. Some had great jobs, a divorce under their belt; but this wasn't my idea of fun. The other extreme are 30's girls that see you as a catch due to career. They're eager to please, but make no mistake about it they want your sperm and they want cohabitation ASAP. Had a few of these types demand I walk them to their car the morning after FC. They don't do the "walk of shame" and bitchy about chivalry, etc.

Dating my age again (mid-30's) made me realize I can never go back. Mid-20's girls are just too much fun.

This morning, the morning after the supreme pussy I had the night before with my new 24 yr old baby the 31 yr old text me and wants to see me this week. I want to cut her loose, but haven't pulled the trigger yet. Actually I'm trying to trade her as a free agent with a member on this board that lives in my vicinity. Yesterday the university senior that I was also supposed to cut off a long time ago text me yesterday wanting to see me. I had to tell her I couldn't make it.

You see this is why I'm trying to just have two and keep it simple. The senior is another 22 yr old. Tough life decisions.

My ex Asian wife talked to me today and wants to hook up. She's missing our sex. We did have great sex. I'm going to try and fit it in, but not until next week probably.