"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2636316]So I previously posted about how I now exclusively do coffee M&Gs. This past round though, a few ladies slipped through the cracks of my "I just want a nice meal at a high end restaurant radar. " I can't stand this, and according to some of these ladies, there are some brothers out there who are reinforcing this bad behavior by treating SA like a traditional dating site with WYP benefits. One dinner dater even had the gall to ask me for an allowance after I took her out to an upscale restaurant, but without a trip to the FC.

I wish I had excused myself to go the bathroom, and then left her with the check when that nonsense came out of her mouth. Normally, these kinds of ladies get weeded out early in the messaging process. When they make it to the M&G, I ensure that they understand that if and when we go to the next step, intimacy will be required. I do this by having them sit in my lap towards the end of the coffee M&G, or getting a LFK to close the date. If the lady has reservations sitting my lap at the M&G, and / or ending with a LFK, I've concluded that there is little to no hope of them getting to the FC on the dinner date.

Sadly, a few of the "dinner daters" slipped through the cracks this round. Less irritated about the fact that I had to drop cash to pay for the dinner, and more irritated at myself for not catching it sooner. I also hate the feeling of getting strung along. I've countered these ladies by stepping down the FC dinner date to an above average restaurant. This way, if the evening ends badly, I feel a little less strung along.

I've concluded that if a girl makes it past the M&G stage and has agreed to go to the FC, then she's already made up her mind about whether she will, or will not really go there. So long as you don't take her to McDonalds, things will generally end up where you want them to be. If a girl is going to flake after the FC dinner date, then it would've happened regardless of where I took them. So rather than taking them to the high end places, I've decided that a decent chain will do (e. G. Cheesecake factory, etc.).[/QUOTE]I've had two SBs ask for an allowance during the first M&G. The first one asked for an allowance when I tried to kiss her. She backed away and asked if she was going to get any money. I told her yes if she wanted to come to my place. She had a look of disgust on her face and got in her car. The second SB had a nice dinner with me in the West End. Weather was nice so we had dinner on the patio. After I paid she asked if she was going to get an allowance for having dinner. I told her yes if she could host or come to my place. She said she was very disappointed that I would not give her an allowance. Then she got up and walked out of the restaurant.

Just went out with my 7. 5 24 yr old last night. First I have to upgrade her to an 8. 5 now after she made herself up in this stunning blue dress with white heals and semi curling her long brown hair. Damn she dressed to kill last night in our first meeting. We had a dinner date out on a small ship. Nice experience doing that, and it was nice, but 3 1/2 hours was a little too long. I wanted to get her off the ship and do her due to the stimulating conversation we had. Learned many things about this new one, so long story short after we got off the ship we were within walking distance of a couple of high class strip clubs. We had a really good time, especially the private dance that this stunning Ukrainian girl did for us. My girl and her hit it off well while we were on the couch. They both have feminine builds. If it wasn't for me having a meeting at the office this morning at 9 am would probably have stayed until close at that place. There was no FC as she did make it clear in her profile she doesn't sleep on the first date, which I admired to a certain extent, because I absolutely wanted to do her with the way she dressed and her sexiness, but at the same time has this natural little girl laugh. She is still in college and is intelligent speaking and the way she conducts herself, which means a lot to me these days. I can only handle beauty and ditsy for so long. But I digress. Took her home and she invited me in to meet her dogs. Now there was a part of me hoping she was going to throw out her mantra of no sex on the first date, but it didn't happen though. She gave me a kiss and said she'll see me Sunday. By the way earlier we set up a Sunday FC at my place. I will say she looks better than her profile. Nice slender dancer like body. She did confess to me that she tried to dance at another high class club nearby, but only lasted three weeks, because she wasn't good at selling herself on stage. I can't wait to do this one. On a side note while taking her home I let her know I won't lie to her (at least not try to) about things, but went on to say that I would like her and one other girl as my babies, so I can pull my profile down on SA and be content with that. She didn't flinch, because the problem she has had in meeting men on this site, according to her, is that they want to get into a serious relationship with her, and she doesn't want that right now. Having said all that about this new baby I have an eye in the back of my head looking to see if this girl is UTR. I can't say that she is yet, because we are still new in our meeting, and it simply is too early for that type of prediction. I hope not. I'm hoping she is a real baby.

Today after my meeting I go pick up my near model 22 yr old. This is the other one I already have and would like to keep with the 24 yr old above. She is spending the day with me and night. She will leave tomorrow.

That's my update. Off to the office.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2636379]I've had two SBs ask for an allowance during the first M&G. The first one asked for an allowance when I tried to kiss her. She backed away and asked if she was going to get any money. I told her yes if she wanted to come to my place. She had a look of disgust on her face and got in her car. The second SB had a nice dinner with me in the West End. Weather was nice so we had dinner on the patio. After I paid she asked if she was going to get an allowance for having dinner. I told her yes if she could host or come to my place. She said she was very disappointed that I would not give her an allowance. Then she got up and walked out of the restaurant.[/QUOTE]Yeah, this sounds like girls mistaking the SD site for another version of WYP. I'm not surprised as the same dude owns both sites and no doubt cross promotes. Thus a girl on WYP might not see any difference in SA or appreciate there is a different animal there. You did the right thing by kicking them to the curb. Maybe sooner or later they'll get the message.

I'm still shocked that there are dudes willing to pay twice (once to be able to email her & again for her to get free food and drinks) to go on a platonic date with a girl.

WYP? I not familiar.

I joined SA 2 weeks ago. Of course, I go the usual flurry of mails, especially from overseas profiles (SPAM).

I immediately met a girl for M&G coffee. She insisted on a "gift" and silly me. I didn't think and gave her one. She immediately became very pushy demanding a monthly allowance and would give me "the best sex I ever had" (is there such a thing? I booted her.

Second was a black girl, 32, MILF. And turns out she lives near me. Our first M&G was in her bed. Wow. Such fun. We have a "pay as you go" relationship for now. She is quite different from what I imagined a SA girl would be. We got all the 'preliminaries" out of the way, my being married, etc.

So, I have modified my profile, reduced my annual income and net worth, put down that I don't provide gifts on a M&G and if you expect so, then pass me by. I'll let the board know how this works out. I'm not cheap, but reading this board is very helpful for me.

I am supposed to meet a 24 yo mixed girl today. I have sworn off white girls and maybe meet a Latina next week. But, of course, its tough with wife around LOL. If the 24 yo works out today and wants a gift, I'll use the tack I read below "let's go to your place and I'll give you a gift (in your pussy) and then from my wallet".

So, that is my experience. Honestly, I travel to Asia a lot and SA type arrangments there are much easier. And the girls. Much more beautiful. But I'm giving it a try here in the USA.

Any other "tips" on this board are appreciated. How to handle M&G gifts, how much you pay per session, does anyone give monthly allowance etc.

GG.

[QUOTE=BaldEagle;2636431]WYP? I not familiar.[/QUOTE]WYP stands for What's Your Price. It is cross-promoted on SA. I won't try to explain it. You can visit and see for yourself. I see it as a helpful site for getting women off of SA who are not serious about being a real baby.

[QUOTE=GenevaGuy;2636447]I joined SA 2 weeks ago. Of course, I go the usual flurry of mails, especially from overseas profiles (SPAM).

I immediately met a girl for M&G coffee. She insisted on a "gift" and silly me. I didn't think and gave her one. She immediately became very pushy demanding a monthly allowance and would give me "the best sex I ever had" (is there such a thing? I booted her.

Second was a black girl, 32, MILF. And turns out she lives near me. Our first M&G was in her bed. Wow. Such fun. We have a "pay as you go" relationship for now. She is quite different from what I imagined a SA girl would be. We got all the 'preliminaries" out of the way, my being married, etc.

So, I have modified my profile, reduced my annual income and net worth, put down that I don't provide gifts on a M&G and if you expect so, then pass me by. I'll let the board know how this works out. I'm not cheap, but reading this board is very helpful for me.

I am supposed to meet a 24 yo mixed girl today. I have sworn off white girls and maybe meet a Latina next week. But, of course, its tough with wife around LOL. If the 24 yo works out today and wants a gift, I'll use the tack I read below "let's go to your place and I'll give you a gift (in your pussy) and then from my wallet".

So, that is my experience. Honestly, I travel to Asia a lot and SA type arrangments there are much easier. And the girls. Much more beautiful. But I'm giving it a try here in the USA.

Any other "tips" on this board are appreciated. How to handle M&G gifts, how much you pay per session, does anyone give monthly allowance etc.

GG.[/QUOTE]I don't think avoiding gift at M&G is being cheap.

To me, it's playing the game smartly and show the babies who's in charge. Girls that need and demand gifts on M&G are either gold diggers or seasoned veterans. To me, they're not worth my time no matter how hot they look. The sex would be mediocre, if it ever get to the FCs with these type of babies. I want new and naive pussies, first time or inexperienced babies. The chase, the seduction is sometimes even better than the fuck. If I wanted seasoned pussies, they're only a phone call away and even have their own hotel rooms.

Congrats on the MILF. It seems that I too attract a lot of MILFs, and they are most often turned out to be really great experiences. They always seem to be horny, eager to please, and just want a good fuck. $ is not the first and only thing in their mind, based on the MILFs that I have encountered. Most of these MILFs had been with assholes and jerks most of their lives, so spending sometimes with a guy that is well rounded and have an actual brain is quite refreshing go them. I had 2 MILFs in the last several weeks, and another 2 lining up next week. It is MILFs galore for me.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2636423]Yeah, this sounds like girls mistaking the SD site for another version of WYP. I'm not surprised as the same dude owns both sites and no doubt cross promotes. Thus a girl on WYP might not see any difference in SA or appreciate there is a different animal there. You did the right thing by kicking them to the curb. Maybe sooner or later they'll get the message.

I'm still shocked that there are dudes willing to pay twice (once to be able to email her & again for her to get free food and drinks) to go on a platonic date with a girl.[/QUOTE]I'm sure the SBs that ask for money during the first M&G would never see you again.

[QUOTE=BaldEagle;2636431]WYP? I not familiar.[/QUOTE]The way it works is this:- NO COST to the girls to join the site. They get sucked in by the promotional material suggesting they can get $100-$200 for going on a regular, no expectations date. If you were a girl it is a great way to get free dinners and get paid for it. Much better than a normal blind date as the girl gets paid, and the site has VERY specific warnings to, "not expect sex on the first date!"

From the guy's perspective it is a hand in your pocket at every turn. Sure, one can sign up for free and can bid back & forth on a date with a girl. But you can not open an email from her and start communicating until you spend "credits." The number of credits you spend depends on the value of the date you negotiated. So a higher amount for the date and you spend more credits!

Problem is that most of the profiles I saw were VERY sparse in detail about the girl and often had limited pictures. So in order to even start talking to a girl to be able to determine if the girl is a fit, you have to spend money. Then the act of finalizing the bidding on a date process, creates a "binding contract," as the site says, so you are obligated to follow through, date her and pay her. (Love to see some girl sue in court for break of contract! LOL).

What I found was that 60% of those who accepted a bid and went to private email on the site, turned out to be of zero interest or were incompatible. Of the remainder 30% agreed to meet for dates and then flaked out, were no shows or went silent. I my case 1 girl gave me a sob story about a sick kid needing medicine and wanted me to wire her money. She got banned from the site. But my credits were still spent!

Finally, sure, maybe, perhaps one could treat these WYP dates as M&Gs- but as mentioned before the site is very specific and prominent about selling itself as "sex not expected" so that draws girls who would date for cash but would NEVER consider being a SB.

If one wants a SB, then stick to the SB sites IMHO. Just too bad that the cross-marketing blurs the lines.

I don't know if I'm paranoid, but I recall a member account being suspended by SA for allegedly offering sex for money or something similar to that. I've only exchange about two messages with this on SA. I asked what you are looking for exactly her reply was I wouldn't mind sex for money. This is actually the first time since I've been in the bowl that a female as been so direct so quickly on SA. After two messages and no pictures from me, I don't even know how to respond or if I shouldn't even respond at all. Any advice on this one? I don't want to show up someone where and get nabbed.

I have never done that. I will always bear the cost of our "Date", but no gift to just show up. I usually do a coffee date or lunch date. I will not spend the time or money on a dinner date. When I have been asked about a gift for the M&G, I reply "The gifts don't start until the panties are on the floor Honey". And, I stick to that. There's no pussy out there worth over spending on.

[QUOTE=Falar;2636904]I don't know if I'm paranoid, but I recall a member account being suspended by SA for allegedly offering sex for money or something similar to that.[/QUOTE]Do you mean a member of this forum (this thread in particular) or a member of SA that you read about somewhere else? I'm not aware of anyone being suspended for offering money. I'm personally against the practice because I think it threatens the hobby, but the only way SA would know about this is if a girl reported it (very possible). As a safety net against that, take the girl out of SA's private messaging into email and text as quickly as possible. For legal reasons I would never, under any circumstances, engage in something like that using SA's PM because its stored on their network. Your personal mail and text is truly yours and anyone would need a subpoena to go after that.

If you're referring to a regular of this thread who got banned from SA, that was because he was flagged for "commercial activity" I believe they called it, or something to that effect. It was not from offering girls money, it was for copying and pasting the same message to multiple girls, which unfortunately contained canned scripts (i.e. multi-step marketing plan) written by another member of this thread. When SA's servers detect the same message being sent by multiple SD accounts, they have reason to believe it's commercial spam. What most likely happened in that case is that the girl reported it as spam because she received mails with similar wording from multiple men. The girl probably googled a few sentences and found that it had been posted to a public web link, perhaps even linking it back to this forum.

Sending out canned scripts someone else wrote in general is a bad idea and it's unfortunate that this practice was ever encouraged by anyone here, but yes someone got banned over it.

From SA's perspective, canned scripts coming from multiple members looks like scammers with ulterior motives drumming up business. They don't know it's just a horny dude who wants to use someone else's words.

My apologies, now that you mentioned it. It's the commercial activities. The female is the one who stated she wouldn't mind having sex for money. It's just she's the first female to be so direct so soon on SA.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2637010]Do you mean a member of this forum (this thread in particular) or a member of SA that you read about somewhere else? I'm not aware of anyone being suspended for offering money. I'm personally against the practice because I think it threatens the hobby, but the only way SA would know about this is if a girl reported it (very possible). As a safety net against that, take the girl out of SA's private messaging into email and text as quickly as possible. For legal reasons I would never, under any circumstances, engage in something like that using SA's PM because its stored on their network. Your personal mail and text is truly yours and anyone would need a subpoena to go after that.

If you're referring to a regular of this thread who got banned from SA, that was because he was flagged for "commercial activity" I believe they called it, or something to that effect. It was not from offering girls money, it was for copying and pasting the same message to multiple girls, which unfortunately contained canned scripts (i.e. multi-step marketing plan) written by another member of this thread. When SA's servers detect the same message being sent by multiple SD accounts, they have reason to believe it's commercial spam. What most likely happened in that case is that the girl reported it as spam because she received mails with similar wording from multiple men. The girl probably googled a few sentences and found that it had been posted to a public web link, perhaps even linking it back to this forum.

Sending out canned scripts someone else wrote in general is a bad idea and it's unfortunate that this practice was ever encouraged by anyone here, but yes someone got banned over it.

From SA's perspective, canned scripts coming from multiple members looks like scammers with ulterior motives drumming up business. They don't know it's just a horny dude who wants to use someone else's words.[/QUOTE]

I seem to remember her on backpage or something? Please post or pm me details. I supposedly ran across her online.

[QUOTE=ILikeHotWomen;2637105]I seem to remember her on backpage or something? Please post or pm me details. I supposedly ran across her online.[/QUOTE]Never seen her before, but I'd break her cervix.

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