General Reports

[QUOTE=Mister Pickles; 1250233]I have a question to piggyback off of FTguy68's question. Is there a general consensus on which verification site is better? I'm an SW enthusiast turned escort enthusiast due to Uncle LEO pretty much cleaning up all the SW action in my area (Tallahassee) but a lot of the more established and well reviewed ladies require either references or verification through one of these sites. Date check and P411 seem like the two best sites but I don't see the value of joining both so which, in you guys' (and gals') opinion, is the better of the two?

I'm leaning toward date check because (1) they don't ask so many damn questions provided you have a lady to vouch for you, (2) I have the option to make a one-time lifetime payment versus endless annual payments and (3) it seems like the more prominent of the two, sort of like master card whereas P411 is visa.

I posted here because the Talla-hayseed boards are a bit dead and I occasionally make my way through the Gainseville-Ocala-Orlando-Tampa areas a few times a year and this board seems to be the most active of the cities I frequent so I figured I'd get the best answer here. Throw me a frickin' bone here.

Thanks,

Mr P.[/QUOTE]Date Check all the way baby. Then of course a referral from one of the fine providers on this forum.

Without that I know myself, I will not see you.

[QUOTE=Ricky James1; 1250821]My rule is that if a girl wants to verify you then go find another girl. I've never seen a girl that checked references or asked for personal info like your work phone number, drivers license, etc. There's no need to ever, ever, ever, ever show any of that stuff to an

Escort. Plenty of top quality girls out there who all you have to do to see is just pick up the phone and make a date.[/QUOTE]"No Jersey Girl for you."

Jersey,

All your adds say verification required. For some of us that don't know, can you give us a feel for what that means in the hobby, and you specifically?

[QUOTE=Michael Caffey; 1250533]What gives with the increasingly negative tone of our forum community; and I am not referring to the occasional personality conflicts amongst members.

The ladies read these forums, even if they don't post / participate. Especially the ladies who tour, or are considering touring.

I know for a fact some very prime and desireable women have opted [b][u]not[/u][/b] To come to Orlando because of the attitudes they have read on here.

[b]Your audience is not simply fellow mongers. [/b]

I am not suggesting anyone not participate, or make excuses for bad service providers, etc. It wouldn't hurt, however, to speak a lot less in unprovable generalities that broad brush all providers in a bad light. The misogynistic rants that are sandwiched in between self-backpatting posts about how well the mongers of Orlando treat our lady friends also aren't working in our favor. It makes our little community look like a joke and turns providers off to the prospects of coming here. [b]Like anyone with a job, providers want to be appreciated for the work and effort they put in to this game just as much as they want the money[/b]; at least that is true of independents.

Constantly whining about donations isn't helping either. If you have your price point, so be it. Stick with what you feel you can afford and are willing to pay, but stop trying to nickle and dime the ladies that choose to have higher rates. You are ruining it for the rest of us who find they are worth every penny.

Be honest, be fair, but for Christ sake, be smart about what you are posting too. I am not unrealistic, as I realize that some negative posts are bound to happen; and some, quite frankly, should. This rant is meant to address the fact that in the last several months (going on a year) things on here have taken a significant turn for the worst and the negative is winning out over the positive. That is [b][u]not[/u][/b] In the best interests of our community and I hope others of you will recognize what I am saying and try to be part of the solution as well.[/QUOTE]I think part of the problem is that mongers use this board as a means of venting their frustrations about life's other problems. Used to be, bad day at work, go home and kick the dog. PETA won't allow that shit, so now, it's get online and kick a few of your fellow mongers.

I know I was being a dick about a year ago. I had some issues that were really stressing me out. I found myself cruising the posts on here just looking to trash someone. Sadly, I found a few and made a fool out of myself. At least I had the common sense to apologize to a few of the mongers I wrongfully bashed.

Some mongers on here actually have different handles they use. They do this when they're feeling mean and want to bash somebody without ruining their "good" handle.

We all need to remember that each and every handle on her belongs to a real, live human being. We should all try to treat each other with the same respect you show co-workers, customers, and friends.

This is my first post in a while but in reading other posts I feel an urgent need to notify everyone here of one fact.

All Checking sites if it date or fuck or any kind of sms verify, whatever they call themselves now is a RIP OFF or vice do not fall for this.

[QUOTE=Ricky James1;1250821]My rule is that if a girl wants to verify you then go find another girl. I've never seen a girl that checked references or asked for personal info like your work phone number, drivers license, etc. There's no need to ever, ever, ever, ever show any of that stuff to an escort. Plenty of top quality girls out there who all you have to do to see is just pick up the phone and make a date.[/QUOTE]I have no issues with showing my DL's to a provider when I arrive as long as she shows me heir's at the same time! If the provider won't show her drivers license as well if she's feels the need to verify me then the deals off the table and I'm out the door! Unless she's a high level well known porn star there's no real need for me to ever give out really personal info to verify myself to her in detail! There is far to much talent in Orlando to waste time with the whole verification process the hand full of providers out there may try to put a monger through. Like RJ1 said just go find another gal! I will say this, if you hold any real status out there in the real world you better be damn careful what info you're passing out to any escort provider out there! May as well tattoo STUPID on your forehead if you end up giving out to much info to the wrong provider and it comes back to bite you in the ass.

OP

[QUOTE=Carlosa; 1251030]This is my first post in a while but in reading other posts I feel an urgent need to notify everyone here of one fact.

All Checking sites if it date or fuck or any kind of sms verify, whatever they call themselves now is a RIP OFF or vice do not fall for this.[/QUOTE]Specifically, which sites are you referring to?

[QUOTE=Vino 7373;1250994]Some mongers on here actually have different handles they use. They do this when they're feeling mean and want to bash somebody without ruining their "good" handle.[/QUOTE]I'd be interested to know how you arrived at this conclusion. VS has accused me of having multiple identities on this board but is unable to provide any proof, just paranoid ramblings. People tend to present a lot of BS on this board as though it were fact. I'd prefer we all stick to statements that can be verified.

Yours,

Monky Boy. No wait, I mean The Antagonist. Or is that Barnaby Jon? Ah hell VS, who am I again?

Lydia.

The 2nd. Roommate now wants into the mix.

27, 5' x 120, long brown hair.

No anal.

No black men preferred,

Kissing ok, BBBJ,

Open on time and pops,

Making you happy is her goal.

I'm meeting her for lunch and will know more soon.

Pics soon.

West side. 50 and Hiwassee area

[QUOTE=Ftguy68;1249263]Does anyone here us P411? Just wondering because they ask a lot of questions. But it seems like an easy way to prove you are what you say you are, provider or hobbyist.[/QUOTE]I was referred by a provider for a 90 day test drive. I was asked NO questions. Other than the log in name, PW, and an them (I think?). As I was pre-verified.

And that was that.

It works.

You are a saint.

[QUOTE=Jethrow1; 1251175]Lydia.

The 2nd. Roommate now wants into the mix.

27, 5' x 120, long brown hair.

No anal.

No black men preferred,

Kissing ok, BBBJ,

Open on time and pops,

Making you happy is her goal.

I'm meeting her for lunch and will know more soon.

Pics soon.

West side. 50 and Hiwassee area[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Carlosa; 1251030]This is my first post in a while but in reading other posts I feel an urgent need to notify everyone here of one fact.

All Checking sites if it date or fuck or any kind of sms verify, whatever they call themselves now is a RIP OFF or vice do not fall for this.[/QUOTE]In Pittsburgh I belong to Indys. Com and have over 50 vouches in the last year. Before my recent trip to Orlando, I did my research and found that Indys, while it does exist in Orlando is virtually a ghost town. I knew that I was going to be hobbying and so checked out the verification sites before I made the trip. I joined date-check free (had met with some of the providers and they verified me) with very minimum info given up. Thank the Lord that I did because all 6 ladies that I met in Orlando and Tampa used the site to verify me painlessly, including and most notably Jerseygirl, the gold standard of providers in your town and anywhere on God's green earth IMHO.

[QUOTE=Jethrow1; 1251175]Lydia.

The 2nd. Roommate now wants into the mix 27, 5' x 120, long brown hair.

No anal.

No black men preferred,

Kissing ok, BBBJ,

Open on time and pops,

Making you happy is her goal.

I'm meeting her for lunch and will know more soon.

Pics soon.

West side. 50 and Hiwassee area[/QUOTE]Because Jet, you got mucho macho mojo for sure.

Hot damn what a lunch I just had, sweet little 5 foot tall 120 lb. Package with 36 D tits.
She is only here till Wednesday morning, and is moving to Arizona.

Hurry, I'm hit and miss on USA on the weekend, Sr. Members or trusted only

[QUOTE=OldPumper; 1251054]I have no issues with showing my DL's to a provider when I arrive as long as she shows me heir's at the same time! If the provider won't show her drivers license as well if she's feels the need to verify me then the deals off the table and I'm out the door! Unless she's a high level well known porn star there's no real need for me to ever give out really personal info to verify myself to her in detail! There is far to much talent in Orlando to waste time with the whole verification process the hand full of providers out there may try to put a monger through. Like RJ1 said just go find another gal! I will say this, if you hold any real status out there in the real world you better be damn careful what info you're passing out to any escort provider out there! May as well tattoo STUPID on your forehead if you end up giving out to much info to the wrong provider and it comes back to bite you in the ass.

OP[/QUOTE]Both of you have hit the nail on the head. References, P411, DateCheck, none one of these offer any kind of protection to any provider. It's a false sense of security. I won't even show my DL. I've had it instilled in my head over the many years of working for a government agency to not give out any unnecessary information. I'll tell them my first name, and that's all that they need to know. If that's not good enough, then like OP, the deal is off the table and I walk away. I value my life and my personal information, and that's the way it will always be.

[QUOTE=Don In Otown;1250883]I have to agree. Having been heavily engaged in the hobby with more than a few of the ladies that fell under the OFC umbrella right about 9 years ago, there are few things as unnerving as receiving probing calls from a couple of those ladies' numbers post arrest. Needless to say, it wasn't the arrested escort placing the call to me. Don't lose sight of this business being exactly what we all know it is. Contempt for the short-sightedness of the laws doesn't mean that they do not exist. Fairness and trustworthiness abounds when every thing is nicey-nice. But let things go a little south, and then let me know how that credit card, place of business and DL number works out for you. Have fun, but be sure to watch your ass.[/QUOTE]I was out of the country when OFC occurred. I had been one of the original members on that sight, and when I found out what happened, it made me sick that mongers actually gave out personal information. Never, never, never do that. I cannot stress this enough. If you have an iPhone, you can download an app called Textfree Voice. It gives you an anonymous number like a burner phone that you can use to text and call. I love it when a provider wants to see a DL. How hard is it to get a fake I'd? I had plenty of them when I traveled out of country. I really love the providers, but they need to know that verification is a joke.

Better pics,

Havana Ginger will be in town she is one of my fav stars would love to see her so I called for rates and they are 800 hour 500 half.

I guess its a no go for my member

[QUOTE=Bonghit420; 1251351]Havana Ginger will be in town she is one of my fav stars would love to see her so I called for rates and they are 800 hour 500 half.

I guess its a no go for my member[/QUOTE]I will assume that she is very hot. But even if she is the hottest woman on earth and has a great attitude and skills, I can't imagine an experience that is worth $800 for an hour. Could it possibly be 4 times better than an hour with Jersey? I think not. That is not to be critical of Havana Ginger, if she can get it, more power to her. To me an experience can only get so good for any amount of time or money. My view is that some of our local favorites that can be had for $ to $$ can't be beat in terms of quality and value. I know they get that kind of money at the legal brothels in Nevada, but it just isn't worth that to me even if money was no option.

Rates are negotiable, she needs $ by Wednesday badly.

[QUOTE=Jethrow1;1251868]Rates are negotiable, she needs $ by Wednesday badly.[/QUOTE]Is Jazmine still out of commission? The wife stuck around more than expected this weekend. Never got a chance to sneak out. Shoot me a PM on how negotiable Lydia is. I'd honestly prefer the spinner though!

[QUOTE=Dicktracey;1251529]I will assume that she is very hot. But even if she is the hottest woman on earth and has a great attitude and skills, I can't imagine an experience that is worth $800 for an hour. Could it possibly be 4 times better than an hour with Jersey? I think not. That is not to be critical of Havana Ginger, if she can get it, more power to her. To me an experience can only get so good for any amount of time or money. My view is that some of our local favorites that can be had for $ to $$ can't be beat in terms of quality and value. I know they get that kind of money at the legal brothels in Nevada, but it just isn't worth that to me even if money was no option.[/QUOTE]Someone needs to schedule a cat scan, because they're way over due.

[QUOTE=GymBagJim;1251229]In Pittsburgh I belong to Indys. Com and have over 50 vouches in the last year. Before my recent trip to Orlando, I did my research and found that Indys, while it does exist in Orlando is virtually a ghost town. I knew that I was going to be hobbying and so checked out the verification sites before I made the trip. I joined date-check free (had met with some of the providers and they verified me) with very minimum info given up. Thank the Lord that I did because all 6 ladies that I met in Orlando and Tampa used the site to verify me painlessly, including and most notably Jerseygirl, the gold standard of providers in your town and anywhere on God's green earth IMHO.[/QUOTE]Baby, really thank you for your kind words.

Love Ya,

Jerseygirl.

XoXoXo

[QUOTE=GymBagJim;1251229]In Pittsburgh I belong to Indys. Com and have over 50 vouches in the last year. Before my recent trip to Orlando, I did my research and found that Indys, while it does exist in Orlando is virtually a ghost town. I knew that I was going to be hobbying and so checked out the verification sites before I made the trip. I joined date-check free (had met with some of the providers and they verified me) with very minimum info given up. Thank the Lord that I did because all 6 ladies that I met in Orlando and Tampa used the site to verify me painlessly, including and most notably Jerseygirl, the gold standard of providers in your town and anywhere on God's green earth IMHO.[/QUOTE]Hasn't gold gone to record prices lately? Even though she is gold, she doesn't charge you for an ounce of it. (I think it's at $1600 now.)

[QUOTE=Bonghit420; 1251351]Havana Ginger will be in town she is one of my fav stars would love to see her so I called for rates and they are 800 hour 500 half.

I guess its a no go for my member[/QUOTE]Well, um. OK, more power to her. Never heard of her myself.

[QUOTE=Bonghit420; 1251351]Havana Ginger will be in town she is one of my fav stars would love to see her so I called for rates and they are 800 hour 500 half.

I guess its a no go for my member[/QUOTE]A couple of years ago out in Vegas at the Adult Entertainment Expo. Took a Picture with her. Would love an hour with her or even a half hour, but there is no way in hell that I would pay the prices she's asking. Even though she can suck the veins out of a the*k.

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[QUOTE=Ricky James1;1250821]My rule is that if a girl wants to verify you then go find another girl. I've never seen a girl that checked references or asked for personal info like your work phone number, drivers license, etc. There's no need to ever, ever, ever, ever show any of that stuff to an escort. Plenty of top quality girls out there who all you have to do to see is just pick up the phone and make a date.[/QUOTE]I don't mind verification within reason. A referral from another lady or membership from a verification site is something I can deal with. Giving out my last name and work info is something I cannot. Seeing my driver's license is out of the question. If I'm about to do something that I know is illegal then "may I see your driver's license, please" is NOT a phrase I want to hear.

I understand and respect a provider's need for safety and if telling her that my handle is "ABC-123" on this, that or the other verification site will put her at ease without compromising my anonymity then I don't have a problem with it. My main concern was finding the site that asks for the least amount of personal info. I've seen too many news broadcasts where madams release their client lists full of men who assumed their information would be kept hush-hush.

But you're right, in my (very limited) experience a phone call was all it took to make a date.

[QUOTE=Jerseygirl; 1250884]Date Check all the way baby. Then of course a referral from one of the fine providers on this forum.

Without that I know myself, I will not see you.[/QUOTE]Thanks Jersey. Date check seemed like the way to go but I figured I'd ask around first. Fortunately a young lady I saw verified me so I only had to give up minimal info. I guess that completes my checklist so I'm ready to take one of those legendary trips to Jersey that I keep reading about the next time I'm in O-town.

Thanks again,

Mr P.

The reason I asked about p411 is because some of the more expensive chicks on Eros won't see you no matter what if you are not a member of that or date check. Say what you want about walking away, but when some of these chicks time after time have a 10 for looks and a 10 for service on T. E. R, I would rather spend the extra bit of coin and be completely and totally happy.

Now with that said, I'm not spending 800 bones on a porn star chick, but I'll drop $$$$ if I must for a chick I know will be a once in a lifetime.

Since I travel a bit I like to check the other cities on the guide and find out the lay of the land, so to speak. So, checking on the massage scene in Atlanta yielded some interesting info. One of the mongers there mentioned having a digit inserted up his ass during an AMP session and was quite impressed with his output and the pleasure it brought him. I don't think he was trying to say anything other than "it felt good" and wasn't trying to bait anyone into a response.

Well, he got more than one from a BUNCH of homophobes who equated having that done to him and liking it was not only flirting with being gay but also with not being "manly". I put in a little less than 2cents saying they were a very entertaining bunch and that a good prostate massage no more meant you were gay than using your mouth to eat since gays do that also. One guy did come back with a great analogy. He made reference to Archie Bunker once saying he wouldn't eat beef tongue. He didn't want to eat anything that came out of a cow's mouth. He then told Edith to "fix me some eggs!"

Now I know why I don't live in Georgia. Just a bit too reactionary for me.

[QUOTE=Redbeard0504; 1252507]Since I travel a bit I like to check the other cities on the guide and find out the lay of the land, so to speak. So, checking on the massage scene in Atlanta yielded some interesting info. One of the mongers there mentioned having a digit inserted up his ass during an AMP session and was quite impressed with his output and the pleasure it brought him. I don't think he was trying to say anything other than "it felt good" and wasn't trying to bait anyone into a response.

Well, he got more than one from a BUNCH of homophobes who equated having that done to him and liking it was not only flirting with being gay but also with not being "manly". I put in a little less than 2cents saying they were a very entertaining bunch and that a good prostate massage no more meant you were gay than using your mouth to eat since gays do that also. One guy did come back with a great analogy. He made reference to Archie Bunker once saying he wouldn't eat beef tongue. He didn't want to eat anything that came out of a cow's mouth. He then told Edith to "fix me some eggs!"

Now I know why I don't live in Georgia. Just a bit too reactionary for me.[/QUOTE]My first experience with a call girl was on a business trip to Hong Kong almost 20 years ago and while this cute asian was doing the initial BJ, she worked a finger in my ass and touched just the right spot that caused an almost instant ejac. She knew what she was doing and to her credit, she offered another shot on goal. A lot of guys like that activity, but for me its not all that special. Funny now that I think about how it was then (pre-internet) , call girls were charging about what they do today maybe more then.

My red headed bbw friend in Winter Springs needs someone to spend the rest of her life with.

Single men only please apply.

Imagine a wife or at the very least a ltr that loves sex as much as we do.

If your not genuine or serious don't answer this posting.

Told you this was an odd request.

[QUOTE=Dicktracey;1252513]My first experience with a call girl was on a business trip to Hong Kong almost 20 years ago and while this cute asian was doing the initial BJ, she worked a finger in my ass and touched just the right spot that caused an almost instant ejac. She knew what she was doing and to her credit, she offered another shot on goal. A lot of guys like that activity, but for me its not all that special. Funny now that I think about how it was then (pre-internet) , call girls were charging about what they do today maybe more then.[/QUOTE]There is something amazing about a lady who knows how to properly give a prostate massage while blowing or stroking your cock, at least for me it is a totally blinding orgasm that will leave you mindless for a few minutes afterwards. I am completely secure with it.

[QUOTE=Jethrow1; 1253130]My red headed bbw friend in Winter Springs needs someone to spend the rest of her life with.

Single men only please apply.

Imagine a wife or at the very least a ltr that loves sex as much as we do.

If your not genuine or serious don't answer this posting.

Told you this was an odd request.[/QUOTE]You know I'd take her up on it if I weren't married!

Has anyone on this forum benefited from Old Pumpers posts? (Heads nodding North / South) He probably don't give a rats ass about his "status" because he's puttin' it down regardless, and SHARING! Can we get this man (we hope j / j)"senior" status? I mean, he has four times the posts of "some other" seniors on this forum and hell he's not only informative, but entertaining! So I here-by nominate Old Pumper to "senior" status! Anyone second that motion? And third?

I posted a bit ago and took full responsibility for my part in the whole Izzy deal. I even gave ample opportunity for others to come forward and admit their parts but alas there is no honor among thieves. In what will be one of a few, but my last posts before leaving this board, I just want to set a few things straight with a few people. As you requested Vino, no more PM's so I'll do it here.

Vino and I had a falling out because he thought I was violent. I offered Baranby John to meet somewhere for lunch because I was tired of her / his shit on the boards. (most of us believed it was Vino's beloved Angel anyways). Vino sent out a PM to the people in his secret PM crew that I was once a part of (and me accidentally as he stabbed me in the back) saying that I had lost my mind and am a scary person. (I posted about lunch which is less than he did in a recent forum, but I'm the crazy one, LOL).

As Vino attacks people here and sticks up for Angel and the others he deems worthy (and some are) , he wields what he believes is unchecked power to sway and belittle people. I think that people are entitled to post what they experience, it's what the forum is here for. I also believe in keeping people honest and don't have an ego issue like Vino. As you put your trust in him I just wanted to post a couple PM's that you might find interesting. The point is you need to watch what you post and who you trust. I recently graduated nursing school and started working at a new job and am just tired of people and this BS, that's why I'm leaving this forum. Before I go here's a little of what I mean by watching who you trust.

[B]

Izzy

I just wanted to bounce a theory off of you and see what you think. It appears that Izzy is doing BBFS with half of Orlando right now. I've had two mongers PM me that dreamed of her, and they were concerned. One trusted SM said the first time he saw her, that she asked him directly if he wanted a cover or not. No upcharge mentioned for BBFS. He opted for the cover. Another told me that the second dream he had with her, that she tried valiantly to talk him into BBFS. She swore that she was clean, but couldn't produce any paperwork proving that fact. He said she almost begged him and he decided against it.

I wonder if she may be HIV+ already. I dropped this theory onto the second monger and he thought it might be true. He said that he felt she was unusually skinny and looked way older than her professed age. She's also publicly talked about health issues that she claims are not STD realated. Things that make you go Hmmmm? When there's smoke, there may be fire.

Don't know what may be going on here but just thought you might like to know. If you have any take on this, please PM me. Between us, of course.

Cya,

Vino

Izzy

Please, once again, the info that I told you about Izzy is strictly confidential. It was given to me in strict confidence by two respected mongers on here that I consider friends. If it gets posted publicly, they'll know I betrayed that trust.

It's an awkward situation to say the least.

Maybe she has a real issue with condoms, I don't know. But, I thought I needed to spread the word, quietly.

Vino[/B]

HMMM. Kind of interesting isn't it? I know many of you defend him and he does provide great information on girls, just know that you need to be on his good side or apparently he'll smack you down and blackball you somehow.

Vino,

Post away about the PM's I sent you, I have more of yours also where you break the trust of those you keep close. OR maybe you can finally admit that you make mistakes too and pulled some shady shit, and if you do it ends now. Remember the time you asked me if I wanted to see Angel at your place? It's not a good idea to post personal information here as you attack me back, let's keep this clean and about the forums. If you want attack me now like you recently did in the forums to other people just know I won't run and hide like a scared little girl. BTW. I kept [B]ALL[/B] My PM's and your the only one who can't admit his mistakes.

As valuable newbies here like Old Pumper come in with gusto and contribute without getting caught up in the BS, I guess we should realize this forum is to share info not make buddies.

[QUOTE=Haldol05; 1253943]I posted a bit ago and took full responsibility for my part in the whole Izzy deal. I even gave ample opportunity for others to come forward and admit their parts but alas there is no honor among thieves. In what will be one of a few, but my last posts before leaving this board, I just want to set a few things straight with a few people. As you requested Vino, no more PM's so I'll do it here.

Vino and I had a falling out because he thought I was violent. I offered Baranby John to meet somewhere for lunch because I was tired of her / his shit on the boards. (most of us believed it was Vino's beloved Angel anyways). Vino sent out a PM to the people in his secret PM crew that I was once a part of (and me accidentally as he stabbed me in the back) saying that I had lost my mind and am a scary person. (I posted about lunch which is less than he did in a recent forum, but I'm the crazy one, LOL).

As Vino attacks people here and sticks up for Angel and the others he deems worthy (and some are) , he wields what he believes is unchecked power to sway and belittle people. I think that people are entitled to post what they experience, it's what the forum is here for. I also believe in keeping people honest and don't have an ego issue like Vino. As you put your trust in him I just wanted to post a couple PM's that you might find interesting. The point is you need to watch what you post and who you trust. I recently graduated nursing school and started working at a new job and am just tired of people and this BS, that's why I'm leaving this forum. Before I go here's a little of what I mean by watching who you trust.

[B]

Izzy

I just wanted to bounce a theory off of you and see what you think. It appears that Izzy is doing BBFS with half of Orlando right now. I've had two mongers PM me that dreamed of her, and they were concerned. One trusted SM said the first time he saw her, that she asked him directly if he wanted a cover or not. No upcharge mentioned for BBFS. He opted for the cover. Another told me that the second dream he had with her, that she tried valiantly to talk him into BBFS. She swore that she was clean, but couldn't produce any paperwork proving that fact. He said she almost begged him and he decided against it.

I wonder if she may be HIV+ already. I dropped this theory onto the second monger and he thought it might be true. He said that he felt she was unusually skinny and looked way older than her professed age. She's also publicly talked about health issues that she claims are not STD realated. Things that make you go Hmmmm? When there's smoke, there may be fire.

Don't know what may be going on here but just thought you might like to know. If you have any take on this, please PM me. Between us, of course.

Cya,

Vino

Izzy

Please, once again, the info that I told you about Izzy is strictly confidential. It was given to me in strict confidence by two respected mongers on here that I consider friends. If it gets posted publicly, they'll know I betrayed that trust.

It's an awkward situation to say the least.

Maybe she has a real issue with condoms, I don't know. But, I thought I needed to spread the word, quietly.

Vino[/B]

HMMM. Kind of interesting isn't it? I know many of you defend him and he does provide great information on girls, just know that you need to be on his good side or apparently he'll smack you down and blackball you somehow.

Vino,

Post away about the PM's I sent you, I have more of yours also where you break the trust of those you keep close. OR maybe you can finally admit that you make mistakes too and pulled some shady shit, and if you do it ends now. Remember the time you asked me if I wanted to see Angel at your place? It's not a good idea to post personal information here as you attack me back, let's keep this clean and about the forums. If you want attack me now like you recently did in the forums to other people just know I won't run and hide like a scared little girl. BTW. I kept [B]ALL[/B] My PM's and your the only one who can't admit his mistakes.

As valuable newbies here like Old Pumper come in with gusto and contribute without getting caught up in the BS, I guess we should realize this forum is to share info not make buddies.[/QUOTE]Let's see:

Keeps personal PM's saved to use it against you later.

Posts PM's publicly.

This is the lunch scenario that he so carefully neglected to say the truth about. I foolishly thought Haldol was cool and invited him to go to lunch with a few other SM's on here. He didn't make it and PM'd me. This is what he did. He invited one of my enemies on here to go to lunch with us betraying the trust we had with him! It gets better. Why would he do that, you ask? He did it because he wanted to beat the guy up in front of us! Yes, you read that right. He invited an enemy to lunch so he could kick his ass. I supposed he thought he'd impress us all by doing so. I asked him several times about this. In three PM's over two days, five times he admitted that he was going to administer some street justice to this guy. Are you kidding me?

I PM'd the other four SM's to let them know what was up. I even CC'd Haldol so I didn't go behind his back.

And I'm the bad guy.

This post by him speaks for itself.

[B]Hi Hal,

I feel your pain, man. Angel missed my appt with her last Monday. Like many (all) of these girls, Angel has drama and issues. She keeps it out of the bedroom when you do get to partake, though. I think your best bet is to call her in the early afternoon (1ish) and hope you get lucky one day. She's always hard up for gifts and especially so this week.

On a personal note, man, she really made an ass of herself in her last two posts! I gave her the easy out; and made her more desirable by posting that black men were too big for her to handle. She sure corrected me! In one fell swoop, she made herself appear racist, stupid, opinionated, and oh, BTW, she's apparantly more than loose enough to take on even the biggest black dick if she so desires. Way to clear that up, Angel.

Cya,

Vino [/B]

Admit you made a mistake vino, that's all I'm asking

[QUOTE=Haldol05; 1253992]Hi Hal,

I feel your pain, man. Angel missed my appt with her last Monday. Like many (all) of these girls, Angel has drama and issues. She keeps it out of the bedroom when you do get to partake, though. I think your best bet is to call her in the early afternoon (1ish) and hope you get lucky one day. She's always hard up for gifts and especially so this week.

On a personal note, man, she really made an ass of herself in her last two posts! I gave her the easy out; and made her more desirable by posting that black men were too big for her to handle. She sure corrected me! In one fell swoop, she made herself appear racist, stupid, opinionated, and oh, BTW, she's apparantly more than loose enough to take on even the biggest black dick if she so desires. Way to clear that up, Angel.

Cya,

Vino

Admit you made a mistake vino[/QUOTE]That would be trusting you.

I asked Jackson to delete my account. Vino may save a little of the respect he had on here. Just know that yes, it was a mistake to trust me if your going to act like your so much better than everyone else. Now people can wonder what you said about them to whom and why.

Should we try before we buy?

[QUOTE=Jethrow1; 1253130]My red headed bbw friend in Winter Springs needs someone to spend the rest of her life with.

Single men only please apply.

Imagine a wife or at the very least a ltr that loves sex as much as we do.

If your not genuine or serious don't answer this posting.

Told you this was an odd request.[/QUOTE]