Rants Raves and Stupid Shit in Seattle.

[QUOTE=Hoballer;6707633]Undoubtedly preaching to the choir here, but a few days ago one of my regulars whom I've been seeing for a few years texted and asked if I could come see her. Oh, and by the way, she is raising her rates. I didn't ask why she was raising her rates, she simply started explaining without any provocation at all. Her reasoning was that I'd been seeing her for a few years now and that she was "obviously" worth the increase. I didn't agree nor disagree, simply just said "okay" and left it at that without telling her whether I'd come see her or not. A few days later I got the usual "I need help. I'm short on making cash today, can you come see me?". This has been her MO since I've known her. I don't usually drop everything and go see her, but if I'm in the mood I sometimes will do so. So in a sense I've "helped her out" when she needed it plenty of times. But this time I ignored her and she pressed me. I finally just told her that since she raised her rates I won't see her as often. Further, as she feels she's worth the rate increase, obviously I've also been a good regular client and in my opinion that deserves a grand-fathered rate. And now here she is asking for help yet again and wasn't going to make me a better offer. She was sort of miffed about that, but she still hits me up and I still resist.

I don't know, not that it's a big deal but I find stuff like this to be frustrating. Anyone else?[/QUOTE]Yup. Since you've been a consistently safe and sane client for a few years, what she should have said is "you're going to see advertisements listing a price increase, but your rate will continue to be THIS much. ".

You've been a stand up dude, but she played herself and it sounds like things are pretty much downhill from this point.

In my opinion that's how I've seen smart providers do it, even the more so-called "upscale" expensive types on TNA. This particular provider in question is also on TNA, though, so I'm wondering if she's expecting more because she's getting more per hour over there. Still, she's on the street to supplement and I do know quite a few guys on this site know who she is. She's likeable and seems to have quite a few regulars yet she often runs into a wall with making her daily band whenever she's working and starts asking regulars to help her out (which, among other reasons, makes me also believe she has a "manager" lurking in the background). So could be the pimp, could be she's getting more on TNA, I don't know. Either way, she'll do fine without me.

[QUOTE=KitWalker1967;6708424]Yup. Since you've been a consistently safe and sane client for a few years, what she should have said is "you're going to see advertisements listing a price increase, but your rate will continue to be THIS much. "[/QUOTE]

So this is kind of wild, the channel Soft White Underbelly in Los Angeles just released a video interview with a UA girl who walks the stroll in Los Angeles. She's a very young teenager. Look at how developed her body is, from a distance it could be hard to distinguish her from a 20 year-old. Really scary when you think about the chances of encountering someone out there who is her age. Getting caught with someone like her will definitely ruin your life. It's an interesting watch.

The channel is interesting, Mark features interviews with pimps, gang-bangers, addicts, homeless, mentally-ill and others who are living in marginalized situations. He's been interviewed on Joe Rogan Experience and a variety of other outlets.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lgFS5mWntc&t=2s[/URL]

[QUOTE=Hoballer;6708969]So this is kind of wild, the channel Soft White Underbelly in Los Angeles just released a video interview with a UA girl who walks the stroll in Los Angeles. She's a very young teenager. Look at how developed her body is, from a distance it could be hard to distinguish her from a 20 year-old. Really scary when you think about the chances of encountering someone out there who is her age. Getting caught with someone like her will definitely ruin your life. It's an interesting watch.

The channel is interesting, Mark features interviews with pimps, gang-bangers, addicts, homeless, mentally-ill and others who are living in marginalized situations. He's been interviewed on Joe Rogan Experience and a variety of other outlets.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lgFS5mWntc&t=2s[/URL][/QUOTE]I am dry heaving after watching that stuff.

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[QUOTE=Hoballer;6708969]So this is kind of wild, the channel Soft White Underbelly in Los Angeles just released a video interview with a UA girl who walks the stroll in Los Angeles. She's a very young teenager. Look at how developed her body is, from a distance it could be hard to distinguish her from a 20 year-old. Really scary when you think about the chances of encountering someone out there who is her age. Getting caught with someone like her will definitely ruin your life. It's an interesting watch.

The channel is interesting, Mark features interviews with pimps, gang-bangers, addicts, homeless, mentally-ill and others who are living in marginalized situations. He's been interviewed on Joe Rogan Experience and a variety of other outlets.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lgFS5mWntc&t=2s[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVDJtYbmtfk[/URL]

This is the new link to the video. The one posted here before me was taken down. Maybe he took it down so he could apply a blur to her boobs and then re-uploaded it? I don't know. I didn't see the original video.

Honestly, it is pretty crazy that Mark from Soft White Underbelly would publish this video. Here you have an interview with a 13 year old girl who is actively working the blade and without her face being blurred. I have a funny feeling that this video is going to be taken down soon LOL.

I was doing a date a few nights ago with this girl off Aurora and on the way back we were chatting about the life and shit going on out there. She told me about a black girl who is working out there still to this day that was being pimped out by her mom at 11 years old at the Seals motel (Now called Seattle Inn) 15 years ago! She was doing dates with her mom she told me. The girl told her friend that this is simply all she knows! I really wasn't surprised to hear this because I've heard many similar stories from girls out there and on the news over the years. I am sure we all have.

[QUOTE=Hoballer;6708969]So this is kind of wild, the channel Soft White Underbelly in Los Angeles just released a video interview with a UA girl who walks the stroll in Los Angeles. She's a very young teenager. Look at how developed her body is, from a distance it could be hard to distinguish her from a 20 year-old. Really scary when you think about the chances of encountering someone out there who is her age. Getting caught with someone like her will definitely ruin your life. It's an interesting watch.

The channel is interesting, Mark features interviews with pimps, gang-bangers, addicts, homeless, mentally-ill and others who are living in marginalized situations. He's been interviewed on Joe Rogan Experience and a variety of other outlets.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lgFS5mWntc&t=2s[/URL][/QUOTE]I spent about two minutes watching that video. She's looks like a 13 YO, maybe it's because I'm black and have daughters, but I would not mistake her for anything but a 13 YO.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6709853]I spent about two minutes watching that video. She's looks like a 13 YO, maybe it's because I'm black and have daughters, but I would not mistake her for anything but a 13 YO.[/QUOTE]Thirteen Year Old Runaway interview-Nova.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVDJtYbmtfk[/URL]

I have almost finished watching the entire interview. Around the 22 min mark she starts talking about how she makes money selling content on Instagram. Nude photos and sex tapes. Went on to say that she sells sex tapes of her with her tricks. God almighty. I bet those dudes that are in those tapes are shitting bricks right now. For those of you who don't know production of child pornography is a mandatory minimum 15 year sentence in federal prison. I still cannot believe Mark from Soft White Underbelly published this interview. This girl is still to this day working as a prostitute and has an IG selling content on it. And you really going to publish this? It's just common sense there are going to be a lot of perverts trying to get ahold of her from all over the country after they see this. Great job Mark! I used to think the guy was a good person. I'm not sure after this. What his intent is tbh. What is the pay off? There has to be one here. It seems like there is an awful lot of risk for publishing something like this. So there has to be some kind of pay off.

There are definitely some interesting moments which came out of that interview. One of the biggest moments for me was when she talked about posting videos online which featured her tricks. She didn't say whether or not those men were aware she was filming, at least from what I remember, but I can't imagine any guy agreeing to be on camera with any working girl. Any guy who does is a solid idiot, no question. This also highlights to me that young people / SWs often don't think about consequences, not only for themselves, but for anyone else as well. Most of them are either clueless or don't care which means they definitely aren't going to care about what happens to YOU.

Regarding Mark, he made a ton of money as a photographer in the advertising / celebrity business. He's created some of the most iconic advertising images for major brands. Years ago he decided to lease space right in the heart of Skid Row near downtown LA and start chronicling the stories of people who lived out there. It's more of a sociological study and hard look at our society. You can't know how to address the problems if you don't know how people got there. He features the good, the bad, the ugly. He's mentioned, and I agree with him, that city councils and government often don't really understand how things are. Just take a look at Seattle City Council and the Seattle City Attorney's office, they believe that ALL sex work is trafficking. They don't seem to understand the different levels of it all. They make wacky decisions as a result based upon assumptions. As Mark says, you have to peel the layers of the onion back to reveal other problems. It's not pretty that Mark features a UA girl, but it is the reality. That's all he's trying to show. Also, the girl's mother also appears in two of his interview videos, she also works. Mark's conclusion is that family and upbringing seriously influences how someone's life will turn-out and the direction it goes.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6710947]I have almost finished watching the entire interview. Around the 22 min mark she starts talking about how she makes money selling content on Instagram. Nude photos and sex tapes. Went on to say that she sells sex tapes of her with her tricks. God almighty. I bet those dudes that are in those tapes are shitting bricks right now. For those of you who don't know production of child pornography is a mandatory minimum 15 year sentence in federal prison. I still cannot believe Mark from Soft White Underbelly published this interview. This girl is still to this day working as a prostitute and has an IG selling content on it. And you really going to publish this? It's just common sense there are going to be a lot of perverts trying to get ahold of her from all over the country after they see this. Great job Mark! I used to think the guy was a good person. I'm not sure after this. What his intent is tbh. What is the pay off? There has to be one here. It seems like there is an awful lot of risk for publishing something like this. So there has to be some kind of pay off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Silk112;6711492]Location: [URL]https://everett.bedpage.com/Escorts/1337-state-avenue-unit-a/23124031.html[/URL].

Parking lot was clear, walked in and was greeted by tiny Diana. Diana stands at about 5'3" tall; you will instantly recognize her ideal spinner body with her perfectly thin body. There's no fat on this girl LOL; long brown hair; small to medium oval sized flat face; tiny facial features; small lips; big eyes; she has really nice size C breasts that complement her frame perfectly; she has perfect medium sized nipples and are pillow soft; she has the body of a teenager basically; and she has a small butt as you would expect on a skinny girl. Diana is your quintessential spinner and you can manipulate her to your heart's content.

Had a quick massage. I kind of rushed it as I wanted to unwrap this tiny spinner and get as much naked time with her as possible. She obliged and removed her tiny top and short skirt to reveal a really nice set of CS. She had me go back down for a tit rub followed by some TUMA (must be a new thing here). She had me flip then some high quality BBBJ while I played with her rack and tiny ass.

Motioned her it was time, so she grabbed the Hat, applied it in a single unroll for a CBJ (girl got skills). Diana lubed up and rode me for a bit CG then had me get on top for some Mish. She was having a hard time taking it all in (bottoming out), so she had me flip back over and asked the magic question "can you cum in my mouth? Hell ya! She worked that BBBJ until I finally blew in her mouth, she spit out into some tissues & then quickly cleaned me up as time was almost up.

If you like 'them tiny, Diana's the girl to see![/QUOTE]This is obviously a shill, 4 reviews, two in Arizona, one in Tacoma and now one in Marysville?.highly suspicious.

Curious to know if anyone else has heard it's slow out there.

Saw an "eviction special" post from emmalovesyou.

[URL]https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2710190-[/URL]*Eviction-Specials*-Happy-Holidays! Please-enjoy-an-extra-15-on-me!

Just curious.

Stay safe out there.

A lot of the "friends" I've acquired complain about this time of the year.

[QUOTE=Aegean45;6712643]Curious to know if anyone else has heard it's slow out there.

Saw an "eviction special" post from emmalovesyou.

[URL]https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2710190-[/URL]*Eviction-Specials*-Happy-Holidays! Please-enjoy-an-extra-15-on-me!

Just curious.

Stay safe out there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bfm66;6712363]This is obviously a shill, 4 reviews, two in Arizona, one in Tacoma and now one in Marysville?.highly suspicious.[/QUOTE]It appears the fake reviewers from RubMaps may be wandering over here.

[QUOTE=WarDog1960;6712697]A lot of the "friends" I've acquired complain about this time of the year.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Brace yourselves for the cornucopia of posts about rent, broken down cars and sick fur babies.

[QUOTE=AlexSfo0;6712855]I came in Monday with an appointment for Tiffani. I was greeted by her walking in the door and led me to the 2nd room.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/yfBof1XFvY8XnBUg8[/URL]

Tiffani has a perfect body with a nice ass. Not round but not completely flat. She has natural C's that are fun to play with and nipples that are round and tasty to snack on.

Started with some light kisses to DFK. She playfully licks my ears before going down on me on the couch. Her BBBJ technique is amazing.

I finally walk her over to the table for a quick DATY. And switch to 20 more minutes of 69. If Tiffani is faking it's hard to tell. She is one sex nymph that seems to enjoy every second of it.

After thrusting into her mouth in 69 for a few minutes she seems to get the hint and she gets up to fetch a glove and puts it on after sucking my dick for another couple minutes. She skips the lub. We start going at it in Mish. Keeping consistent eye contact and making out between thrusts.

I get tired and she sucks jr. Again for another 5 and I finish with a DIY HJ while she lies beside me with a full on DFK.

I have 10 minutes left at this point and she gives me a good pressure neck, shoulder and upper body massage.

I had a great, kick ass time in here.[/QUOTE]I am treating everything this account posts as suspicious. Suspected shill massage shop owner account.

[QUOTE=KitWalker1967;6713164]It appears the fake reviewers from RubMaps may be wandering over here.[/QUOTE]I was thinking the same thing. Tenacious bunch, aren't they?

[QUOTE=KitWalker1967;6713164]It appears the fake reviewers from RubMaps may be wandering over here.[/QUOTE]Being new member here, this is a good learning to check the profile of the reviewer first.

I recently was a victim of fake review and ended up with a 50+ mamasan.

If these shill accounts are promoting their business, it's fine but if they are faking the experience, it is morally wrong.

[QUOTE=AussieFury;6713184]I am treating everything this account posts as suspicious. Suspected shill massage shop owner account.[/QUOTE]Unicorns everywhere! It appears this poster only runs into amazing hot suppliers. Sooner or later, and probably sooner, an active member will go to one of those sites and give an accurate accounting. Please note he never specifies how much. If one was expect perfection and brought a significantly more than the standard rate and there was just a thugly auntie the monger would just walk out. If a low rate was mentioned then no one would want to go over that. And they would still lose a lot of people.

I would just treat his reviews as ads. None of us are expecting the girls that we see in ads at shops. Now we have an invasion of ads into our space. They are useful since they do at least tell us of new shops.

[QUOTE=AlexSfo0;6712855]I came in Monday with an appointment for Tiffani. I was greeted by her walking in the door and led me to the 2nd room.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/yfBof1XFvY8XnBUg8[/URL]

Tiffani has a perfect body with a nice ass. Not round but not completely flat. She has natural C's that are fun to play with and nipples that are round and tasty to snack on.

Started with some light kisses to DFK. She playfully licks my ears before going down on me on the couch. Her BBBJ technique is amazing.

I finally walk her over to the table for a quick DATY. And switch to 20 more minutes of 69. If Tiffani is faking it's hard to tell. She is one sex nymph that seems to enjoy every second of it.

After thrusting into her mouth in 69 for a few minutes she seems to get the hint and she gets up to fetch a glove and puts it on after sucking my dick for another couple minutes. She skips the lub. We start going at it in Mish. Keeping consistent eye contact and making out between thrusts.

I get tired and she sucks jr. Again for another 5 and I finish with a DIY HJ while she lies beside me with a full on DFK.

I have 10 minutes left at this point and she gives me a good pressure neck, shoulder and upper body massage.

I had a great, kick ass time in here.[/QUOTE]Looks like the owners are now doing their pay bs reviews over here from rubmaps, we will have more fake review like this so hobbyist proceed with caution when go to the shop and not finding the girl there.

[QUOTE=WarDog1960;6712697]A lot of the "friends" I've acquired complain about this time of the year.[/QUOTE]It's slow this time of year in Tijuana and everywhere else. The worst time of the year for hookers.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6713561]It's slow this time of year in Tijuana and everywhere else. The worst time of the year for hookers.[/QUOTE]Working late so took a meal break, stopped by my first ever massage spot on way back to the office. Young attractive white brunette was working. Firm natural breasts, nice bikini trimmed Bush down below kissed and let me play down below during massage. Nice puffy pussy area with clit you could feel. I joked she reminded me of my wife's, she jumped on bare and asked "does this remind you of her"?

Suffice to say to this day still comparing what's out there. Happy Holidays, enjoy the slow times while you can.

[QUOTE=JustRandy;6713970]Working late so took a meal break, stopped by my first ever massage spot on way back to the office. Young attractive white brunette was working. Firm natural breasts, nice bikini trimmed Bush down below kissed and let me play down below during massage. Nice puffy pussy area with clit you could feel. I joked she reminded me of my wife's, she jumped on bare and asked "does this remind you of her"?

Suffice to say to this day still comparing what's out there. Happy Holidays, enjoy the slow times while you can.[/QUOTE]Was this is Tijuana or here in Seattle?

[QUOTE=CarloSpicyWenr;6714178]Was this is Tijuana or here in Seattle?[/QUOTE]North part off 99.

[QUOTE=CarloSpicyWenr;6714178]Was this is Tijuana or here in Seattle?[/QUOTE]This also happened in 1986 LOL. Good luck finding that girl. She's either dead or a granny by now. This amuses me to no end but it's so much like these forums. I could say I found a unicorn 3 years ago and somebody would ask me for her number or where to find her LOL.

I'm done posting on this site for awhile. I keep having my posts censored by the board that aren't even bad. The censorship here is out of control and I am sick and tired of it.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6716155]I'm done posting on this site for awhile. I keep having my posts censored by the board that aren't even bad. The censorship here is out of control and I am sick and tired of it.[/QUOTE]It's not an airport where you need to announce your departure.

The reason your posts are deleted is because judging from the majority of your posts, it's very clear that you're presenting your opinions as facts. From what I gather, you haven't actually posted anything of REAL significance to this board. You keep making the same anti-simp rants, present yourself as a casanova, and your consistently make statements that are incorrect. Even a few posts down, you state that TJ is slow this time of year but places like TJ, CR, and Colombia are busy because all the tourists are there because of the weather.

I'm not really sure what you were trying to accomplish with your posts here. You rarely shared any REAL information, nor have you made any posts of actual substance. Some of your posts definitely have incel vibes to them.

[QUOTE=BackInSea;6716688]It's not an airport where you need to announce your departure.

The reason your posts are deleted is because judging from the majority of your posts, it's very clear that you're presenting your opinions as facts. From what I gather, you haven't actually posted anything of REAL significance to this board. You keep making the same anti-simp rants, present yourself as a casanova, and your consistently make statements that are incorrect. Even a few posts down, you state that TJ is slow this time of year but places like TJ, CR, and Colombia are busy because all the tourists are there because of the weather.

I'm not really sure what you were trying to accomplish with your posts here. You rarely shared any REAL information, nor have you made any posts of actual substance. Some of your posts definitely have incel vibes to them.[/QUOTE]I've provided plenty of good information to this board. You wouldn't know because you've made a grand total of 3 posts in the SW sections on here and you don't even cruise AA bud. You wouldn't know anything about what I do.

[QUOTE=BackInSea;6716688]It's not an airport where you need to announce your departure.

The reason your posts are deleted is because judging from the majority of your posts, it's very clear that you're presenting your opinions as facts. From what I gather, you haven't actually posted anything of REAL significance to this board. You keep making the same anti-simp rants, present yourself as a casanova, and your consistently make statements that are incorrect. Even a few posts down, you state that TJ is slow this time of year but places like TJ, CR, and Colombia are busy because all the tourists are there because of the weather.

I'm not really sure what you were trying to accomplish with your posts here. You rarely shared any REAL information, nor have you made any posts of actual substance. Some of your posts definitely have incel vibes to them.[/QUOTE]Just re-read your post. Who are you talking about man? Anti simp rants? I keep going on anti simp rants? No I am not LOL. You are clearly confusing me with somebody else. I don't go on ant-simp rants. Show me one example bud.

[QUOTE=AussieFury;6713184]I am treating everything this account posts as suspicious. Suspected shill massage shop owner account.[/QUOTE]Are you saying that the Penthouse forum from the 80's wasn't true?

[QUOTE=BackInSea;6716688]It's not an airport where you need to announce your departure.

The reason your posts are deleted is because judging from the majority of your posts, it's very clear that you're presenting your opinions as facts. From what I gather, you haven't actually posted anything of REAL significance to this board. You keep making the same anti-simp rants, present yourself as a casanova, and your consistently make statements that are incorrect. Even a few posts down, you state that TJ is slow this time of year but places like TJ, CR, and Colombia are busy because all the tourists are there because of the weather.

I'm not really sure what you were trying to accomplish with your posts here. You rarely shared any REAL information, nor have you made any posts of actual substance. Some of your posts definitely have incel vibes to them.[/QUOTE]No lies detected in this post.

[QUOTE=Seaperv;6716966]Are you saying that the Penthouse forum from the 80's wasn't true?[/QUOTE]Well, I never thought this would happen to me.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6716717]I've provided plenty of good information to this board. You wouldn't know because you've made a grand total of 3 posts in the SW sections on here and you don't even cruise AA bud. You wouldn't know anything about what I do.[/QUOTE]LMAO. Thanks for outing yourself. In previous posts, you make yourself out to be some big baller, and now you want to talk about banging some drug-addicted, pimped out hooker on AA stroll. Nice try dude. I appreciate you taking the time to go through my posts though; only someone with too much time on their hands and a I-care-about-what-people-think-of-me-on-a-poon-board mentality would do that.

I'm pretty sure it was you, but weren't you the one that made some ridiculous post about how girls get so hot fucking in a nice car or something like that? I just remember reading that and knowing right off the bat that you have got to be a virgin LMAO.

[QUOTE=BackInSea;6718592]LMAO. Thanks for outing yourself. In previous posts, you make yourself out to be some big baller, and now you want to talk about banging some drug-addicted, pimped out hooker on AA stroll. Nice try dude. I appreciate you taking the time to go through my posts though; only someone with too much time on their hands and a I-care-about-what-people-think-of-me-on-a-poon-board mentality would do that.

I'm pretty sure it was you, but weren't you the one that made some ridiculous post about how girls get so hot fucking in a nice car or something like that? I just remember reading that and knowing right off the bat that you have got to be a virgin LMAO.[/QUOTE]Thanks for outing yourself as just a hater LOL. You clearly don't know anything about woman. Woman are emotional beings. I am not going to even justify a response explaining to you how a nice sports car gives you an advantage in this world not just with woman but also for networking. People want to be around successful people such as myself. You wouldn't know anything about this though because you are probably broke and never had two pennies to rub together in your life. Anybody who has nice things knows exactly what I am talking about for better or worse that comes with it. I do have a lot of free time because I am self employed and can do whatever the fuck I want when I want Believe me I do a lot of fucking. How is your 9-5 going for you?

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6718596]Thanks for outing yourself as just a hater LOL. You clearly don't know anything about woman. Woman are emotional beings. I am not going to even justify a response explaining to you how a nice sports car gives you an advantage in this world not just with woman but also for networking. People want to be around successful people such as myself. You wouldn't know anything about this though because you are probably broke and never had two pennies to rub together in your life. Anybody who has nice things knows exactly what I am talking about for better or worse that comes with it. I do have a lot of free time because I am self employed and can do whatever the fuck I want when I want Believe me I do a lot of fucking. How is your 9-5 going for you?[/QUOTE]LMAO No adult talks like that. Be real, you probably JUST started getting peach fuzz downstairs. It's very obvious that you're not a baller at all, let alone an adult.

And really, any fool can drive a nice car, but that doesn't mean they know how to play the game. Look at Bellevue and the number of "nice sports cars" there are. Doesn't mean jack shit if a guy doesn't have any game. I drive a 10 year Mazda SUV LOL. And even then, I see kgirls OTC, been on vacations with a Thai MILF that has a libido that even wears me out and a kgirl that bought be $1000 LV sneakers (didn't have to pay a FMTY fee unlike the SDs that have to), and haven't had to ever pay extra for anything. My friend, a famous pornstar, owns a pornstar escort service and she hooks me up with her friends whenever I go to LA, NYC, or DC. I pay the rate, but she always waives the agency fee, meaning she gets nothing out of it.

If you rely on a sports car and money to make an impact, that just means you're a loser and have ZERO game. I've been in this game a lot longer than you kid and you clearly are just that, a kid. Everything you just said is someone that either a) doesn't actually have money and-or B) only gets his information from movies and tv shows.

Seriously, who the hell says "Believe me I do a lot of fucking" LOL.

P.S. : Another example why you're a kid: the correct reply is "I'm not going to DIGNIFY that with a response" LOL.

I touched on this briefly in a couple of posts ago. I wasn't sure I wanted to talk about it at the time as I haven't yet followed up on it. I figured I'd explain what I saw and my thoughts on it though. It has been 3 days since I saw this and have looked for her many times in the area she is normally in at the times she is working and she hasn't been out there. I would see her every single night. Without fail. Can't remember the last time I did not see her out there prior to this incident.

Note I wrote this post on Weds morning around 330 am but didn't post it.

I was driving Northbound on AA around 3 am this morning near the emerald. It was pouring down rain and hard to see. As I was passing the golf shop I passed by a girl standing in the middle of the road. I was pretty shocked. It was super hard to see and she was standing in the middle of the road! In an area I never see street walkers crossing the road as there is nothing around there anymore. She is lucky she doesn't get run over and killed. After I passed her I decided to flip a you turn and see who it was. This was the only girl I had seen out there in multiple laps. It was as dead out there as I had ever seen it. I pulled a you turn and went back and I saw a guy with a black hoodie on running across the street from near the Seattle Inn where a white and black toyota camry was parked. He was running pretty fast. I saw him run across the street over to the girl (whom by now I recognized as a girl I have seen many many times on bottom near the dunn lumber area). It immediately was concerning. I slowed down as I passed by and rolled down my window and I saw what looked like a gun in his hand and the girl was standing infront of the guy. It was something silver. Could have been a knife. I am not sure. It didn't look right. I went down to the home depot and pulled a you Turn and backed into a business near the Nites Inn so I could take a look at the situation. Though from my vantage point I couldn't see the girl or the guy as they were standing next to the night's inn near the Golf shop sign. After a few moments I saw the guy run back across the road to his newer white and black toyota camry. He left southbound past the cemetery. After he was clearly gone I drove over to where the girl had been to look for her and make sure she was alright. She wasn't there. She is kind of heavier set too, there is no way she ran away from there. I looked everywhere. Behind the businesses in the area, in the front. She was definitely gone. It was probably only 20 seconds after he had left before I rolled up to where she was standing. I was out there for another 40 minutes or so just driving around (not necessarily for her) but she never showed back up. I had asked some people in the area too if they had seen her walk by (near the KK) and they said they hadn't seen any girls walk by.

I don't know what happened to her but it has me concerned she was kidnapped. I talked to another girl about it (the one that robbed me) she thinks it could have been the girls pimp. Which I agree it could have been. However I don't think so. The only time you see girls running away from a guy is when they are being sweated out there by another pimp or the guy is a total creep or something else is off. Sure, girls run away from there pimps all the time. But this girl was clearly looking for a date not running away out of the life. She was standing in the middle of the road probably 50 yards from where the car was parked. She was crossing the road a good ways from the guys car like she was avoiding the guy's car or the guy himself if he was already outside (which I didn't see).

Food for thought: If this was her pimp why on earth would he park his car near the Seattle Inn and be running across the road in the pouring down rain at 4 am!? He wouldn't in my opinion. I believe what I saw was a revolver in his hand. That's what it looked like to me. I thought it was just a robbery at first. I am going to keep my eye out for her when I go out tonight and see if I see her. She is out there every single night without fail in my experience. Don't think I've ever talked to her outside of one time.

This situation could be a lot of things. I wasn't there so didn't see what you saw, but my thought is that if she were int the middle of the street and not flagging you / other drivers down for help then she was in the middle of the street waiting for or dealing with this other guy and not necessarily in a bad way. I'm willing to put money on the likelihood that they are known to each other in a manner which is outside of the john / hooker relationship. The other thing is that I've learned over my years of street hobbying that SWs disappear into the ether pretty quickly even when it doesn't seem possible. On more occasions than I can count there were moments when I've passed a lone girl, flipped a U-turn within sight of her and she was gone by the time I completed the turn. No other cars, no other traffic, gone like a ghost. It's actually amazing how these girls can disappear like that. Also, since you mentioned that you couldn't actually see them after you parked to observe, it's possible that another car picked her up. Again, I was not there, not sure exactly where you were nor what was your actual vantage point at the time.

The other thing I've learned over the years is that girls on the street rarely want help from a passing john. That may be cynical, but almost every time I've inserted myself into a situation out there to help it never did anything. Almost always resulted in their resentment and / or ire. Unless she was specifically flagging-down you or other drivers it's very likely that she didn't need nor want anyone's assistance. The most recent example I have is one incident which occurred last summer on the corner of 104th. There was a very slender and nicely-proportioned WSW brunette standing next to the small convenience store there and some pimpy-looking dude rolled-up on her and got in her face. I saw the entire incident and came around to see what was going on. When I pulled-up, he jumped back in his car and sped-off, I got up to her and asked her what that was all about and if she needed help. She told me to mind my own business and that I didn't actually see anything. I did see something, this dude jump out of a car and get up on her while shouting into her face. She again told me that it didn't happen and that I should go. Previous situations I'd seen which were similar to this had the same result. It's just how things go out there. And lastly, I really don't want to get myself into something which draws police, my witness statement and overall involvement into a potential criminal case. Not out there. If you're really concerned in a serious way, call it in from a burner phone anonymously and get the hell out of there. I'm betting that the likelihood that you'll see the SW from your experience out there again is high, probably sooner rather than later.

These are my thoughts, doesn't mean i'm right in this case, just basing this upon my past experiences out there.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6733655]I touched on this briefly in a couple of posts ago. I wasn't sure I wanted to talk about it at the time as I haven't yet followed up on it. I figured I'd explain what I saw and my thoughts on it though. It has been 3 days since I saw this and have looked for her many times in the area she is normally in at the times she is working and she hasn't been out there. I would see her every single night. Without fail. Can't remember the last time I did not see her out there prior to this incident...
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[QUOTE=Hoballer;6734558]This situation could be a lot of things. I wasn't there so didn't see what you saw, but my thought is that if she were int the middle of the street and not flagging you / other drivers down for help then she was in the middle of the street waiting for or dealing with this other guy and not necessarily in a bad way. I'm willing to put money on the likelihood that they are known to each other in a manner which is outside of the john / hooker relationship. The other thing is that I've learned over my years of street hobbying that SWs disappear into the ether pretty quickly even when it doesn't seem possible. On more occasions than I can count there were moments when I've passed a lone girl, flipped a U-turn within sight of her and she was gone by the time I completed the turn. No other cars, no other traffic, gone like a ghost. It's actually amazing how these girls can disappear like that. Also, since you mentioned that you couldn't actually see them after you parked to observe, it's possible that another car picked her up. Again, I was not there, not sure exactly where you were nor what was your actual vantage point at the time.

The other thing I've learned over the years is that girls on the street rarely want help from a passing john. That may be cynical, but almost every time I've inserted myself into a situation out there to help it never did anything. Almost always resulted in their resentment and / or ire. Unless she was specifically flagging-down you or other drivers it's very likely that she didn't need nor want anyone's assistance. The most recent example I have is one incident which occurred last summer on the corner of 104th. There was a very slender and nicely-proportioned WSW brunette standing next to the small convenience store there and some pimpy-looking dude rolled-up on her and got in her face. I saw the entire incident and came around to see what was going on. When I pulled-up, he jumped back in his car and sped-off, I got up to her and asked her what that was all about and if she needed help. She told me to mind my own business and that I didn't actually see anything. I did see something, this dude jump out of a car and get up on her while shouting into her face. She again told me that it didn't happen and that I should go. Previous situations I'd seen which were similar to this had the same result. It's just how things go out there. And lastly, I really don't want to get myself into something which draws police, my witness statement and overall involvement into a potential criminal case. Not out there. If you're really concerned in a serious way, call it in from a burner phone anonymously and get the hell out of there. I'm betting that the likelihood that you'll see the SW from your experience out there again is high, probably sooner rather than later.

These are my thoughts, doesn't mean i'm right in this case, just basing this upon my past experiences out there.[/QUOTE]The thing is they don't walk across the middle of the road to get away from John's who then run across the road after them LOL! That's where I know it's not possible it's a John. No John parks there car and gets out in the pouring down rain to go up to girl to talk to them at 4 am on a part of AA where there is absolutely no cars and no traffic on a huge open stretch of aurora. It was either her pimp or another pimp sweating her. I didn't call the police cause 1) SPD are useless and don't respond to almost anything and 2) I don't want to be involved and / or interfere in street business.

I will keep the board updated on what I find. I know there are girls on bottom who know who she is but those girls haven't been out the past couple nights either. So maybe it's possible they all went out of town? I am not sure. I just remember seeing what looked like a revolver in his hand and thinking to myself I don't want to pull up there and get shot. So I kept driving. Only time will tell if she turns up. I hope she does. Girls go missing all the time in this life and turn up dead later or are never found. Is what what I saw? That gets to me.

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The other thing I've learned over the years is that girls on the street rarely want help from a passing john. That may be cynical, but almost every time I've inserted myself into a situation out there to help it never did anything. Almost always resulted in their resentment and / or ire....

These are my thoughts, doesn't mean i'm right in this case, just basing this upon my past experiences out there.[/QUOTE]This is pretty much true of all of them, not just streeties.

How do most of you feel about your hobbying experiences in the past year? For me, 2023 was probably one of the worst years in 20 years of being in the hobby. In fact, the past three years haven't really been very good overall within the venue in which I mainly operate. I can't imagine being a hobbyist who got started since 2020, really feels like it went to shit in that time. The funny part of all of this is that men used to say the same to me back when I started. I'm now 50, retired this past year with a fat stack of investments and perhaps my hormones are slowing-down, but I've had no desire nor interest in the past couple of months with the least amount of involvement in all of my time. Prior to the pandemic, I traveled internationally quite often to some wild places, this year i'll be doing more of that.

How has your hobbying been in the past year for you all?