[QUOTE=Trogie;1552979]On Page 1 today, September 24, 2012: Erika (2) , Lexi33 (2) and CandiceXOXO (2).[/QUOTE]Apparently all within the rules of the road here. As stated in FAQ: "you are welcomed to re-post your advertisement as you may desire."
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[QUOTE=Trogie;1552979]On Page 1 today, September 24, 2012: Erika (2) , Lexi33 (2) and CandiceXOXO (2).[/QUOTE]Apparently all within the rules of the road here. As stated in FAQ: "you are welcomed to re-post your advertisement as you may desire."
Some great points to advertising.
But,
I have a website that shows current pics, services, rates, contact info, availability-all the things that are desired in a posted ad, except for my location.
Personally, I don't even like to give out my general location until I have checked the client's references.
In terms of ads, I do like to get creative with what my advertisement says, and therefore usually don't mention these things in the ads.
But, like Chrissee (I hope that's spelled right!) , with advertising, visibility, image, and the 'hook' have proven to be effective tools used everywhere in the advertising industry.
Your ad should be considered a first impression-for new clients, this is their 'window' to the real you.
Molly
[QUOTE=Jry Wild1; 1553034]I respectfully disagree. I know that myself and a couple other Mongers that I talk with feel that all of the ads should include at least a general location (e. G. Eastside, westside, north of I-275, NKY, etc.) whether they change location daily or not. In fact, there are a few things that I would always like to know in advance (I. E. Posted in the ad) before I make the call.
Knowing the Provider's general location, cost, and decent, accurate, recent photos are probably the most important. If I am looking for some fun, I will often make my decision based on how close the Provider is to me, how much the session will cost, and what the Provider looks like (in no particular order).
If I am short on time, location may play a BIG factor in the decision. Many times, I don't want to drive 45 minutes to the Provider's location, have an hour session, and then drive 45 minutes back. That's almost 3 hours of my day and I can't always give up that much time. And, knowing the location becomes [I]even more important[/I] If the Provider changes location every day. Just because she was close yesterday doesn't mean she is today.
Cost is obvious. If I don't have the money, I can't play.
Decent, accurate, recent photos should be pretty obvious too. By decent, I mean. Clear, in focus, well lit, showing her face (if she is comfortable with that) and body. They don't have to be "professional" photos, but preferably not just self portraits taken with your phone in the mirror. Accurate. The photos should be of the actual girl that I'm going to see without any major retouching / body shaping. Recent. A decent, accurate photo of a Provider from three years ago is really not what I want to see. What does the Provider look like today.
Frankly, it wastes my time and the Provider's time if I have to call to find out these things only to learn that she is too far away, or costs too much, or her appearance doesn't appeal to me. When I [B][I]could[/I][/B] Have found all of this information in her ad.
On the topic of [U]daily ads[/U]. I don't mind daily ads. [B][I]IF[/I][/B] There is a valid reason to post a daily ad:
Phone number changed,
Location changed,
Rate changed,
New pictures,
Doesn't work every day and she is working today,
Etc.
I honestly don't think that a Provider must post a daily ad [B][I]just[/I][/B] To be kept on the front page. Whether on BackPage, USASG, or other sites, I will look through [I]several[/I] Days of ads until I find who I want. I certainly won't pick someone solely based on the fact that she is on the first page of ads at which I look. In fact, I typically jump back several days (3 or 4 pages at least) and look at the ads in reverse order anyhow.
Ladies, while I am sure that you [B][I]might[/I][/B] Miss a potential Client here and there because he saw someone else's ad before yours, posting a lot of ads or ads every day to stay on the front page is not really the solution. Ad-wise: a clear, enticing ad with complete, relevant information and photos are going to be the best choice. Beyond that, if you provide the best Service (in the broad sense of the term) that you can, you'll get good reviews and referrals and then the ads won't matter as much.
Just my thoughts on the topic,
JRW1[/QUOTE]I agree totaly to what is posted. And in my case I also like to know price of provider for the simple reason if I can afford to play or not. And the location I. E. City due to the fact that I pretty much locked in the covington, newport area. And if a provider lists the town I know whatever to call or not.
Please quit fucking with my friends.
Seriously. It is not going to do you anything in the long run.
Much kisses!
Miss molly
[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1561147]Please quit fucking with my friends.
Seriously. It is not going to do you anything in the long run.
Much kisses!
Miss molly[/QUOTE]Is that the goal here? I have not been around much so what bullshit am I being accused of now?
[QUOTE=SexyGirls; 1552977]Any good advertiser knows visibility is the key.
If Jackson changes the policy to an index or any other form to advertise on we will follow the rules, however until then we post ads daily for all of the girls.
If a hobbyist is looking for a particular girl they will go to the effort of scrolling down to find her.
I think is a big deal about nothing.
All of the providers post regularly, we don't complain when they bump us down the page.
Every provider here is free to post daily as we do.
Crissee[/QUOTE]Crissee,
You are doing a incredible job! Your ability to work the boards and the clients is refreshing. You have something I lost years ago and that is what is going to take you further here then would ever be possible for me. Keep up the good work. I would suggest however that you add more girls to your "thing" everyones popularity slows after awhile and girls will come and go.
Keep up the great job girl.
B
[QUOTE=SylvieAmour; 1564017]I am so sick of inconsiderate assholes who cancel on their appointment when I am IN ROUTE! Or even worse when I get there. And none of them have the balls to say it on the phone so they won't answer when I call them. They will maybe send a text. Usually with some bogus excuse why they can't see me. If you have cancelled on my 3 times saying "oh my kid is sick I have no babysitter" chances are I don't believe you. At least pick a new lie for the 3rd time. Or even better when I get off the exit that I'm meeting them on and I call for the rest of the directions or I am lost they don't answer. Later on if they answer when I call back or I get home and get an email its something dumb "oh my wife came home" or something else I don't think is true. If she did you could have just sent a text or called me and told me. Instead of just not telling me at all. If you're an hour away and ask for a special outfit that took me 3 hours to get ready and an hour of driving there only to hit your exit and you not answer and bail on me chances are I'm going to be irate. And not too mention the fact that all of my time and gas are wasted. That time I booked you I could have booked someone reliable who wouldn't bail. I think the lame excuses it what make me so mad. Make it at least believable. Or give proper notice. I want to start a blacklist of all the men who do this to us girls. A list of the ones who bail on appointments. Let us ridicule their every little thing they do, as they do us. I bet they wouldn't like it. I always try to be on time if I'm running behind I will let you know at least. I'm not inconsiderate, why don't you put your ass in our stilletos for a day. What if you got all the way to work and they were like "oh we know its payday but we don't have your checks today. Sorry" yeah bet you would be pissed off too! I also hate the young punks who try to contact me. No joke this 19 year old kid asked if since I'm outcall if he could see me in his 1992 celica! I'm like you have to be joking! And even better is if I post on CL and they think I want a boyfriend or to have NSAb relations with them. No honey this is my job. This one kid after he hung up on me for telling him my rates, sent me 47 text messages calling me everything but white. And thats why I hate the young ones. Grrrrrr! End rant!
Thanks for listening![/QUOTE]Let me be the frist to say on behalf of the hobbyist who respect the time and effort that providers put in to do incall or outcall, only to have efforts goes down the drain because there are some out there who like to play game or do not have there ducks in a row. I for one dispise providers who keep making excuses or no call no show or call like 12 hours after we were supposed to meet. The blacklist is a good idea but the only problem with that is everyone is using prepaid cell phones so they just switch up when providers get a handle on the number. Would like to close by saying sorry for getting stood up.
I was about to post a rant, but this thread has been pretty rant packed lately, so I decided to post something more on the Rave / Opinion side of things.
I've seen Molly Daniels repeatedly for several months. She has always been relatively easy to contact when I have wanted to schedule a visit. I suppose it could be a case of YMMV with the other providers I've seen, but Molly is the only provider I've ever engaged for an overnight date because I've never found myself bored in her presence.
Part of the reason I find Molly Daniels so captivating, apart from her good looks, is that she is well rounded. I don't mean well rounded in comparison to other providers, I mean in general. I recall one night during a break between one round of adult fun and another, we were talking about research she did during grad school and then began arguing about the theory of Peak Oil. Molly jumped out of bed, plugged her laptop into her TV, and pulled up a graph of Hubbert's Peak. Ok, maybe science isn't your thing, but how many providers would do something like that as they tried to make their case in a debate? I bring up this point because it has been my experience that after an hour, the enchantment that most escorts provide starts to break down; either I get bored with the provider, or she gets bored with me, and the illusion of a GFE starts to crumble. With Molly, this has never happened. Any way, that night, after talking about oil and gas shortages, arguing about the position of certain elements on the periodic table, and discussing the possibility of life on other planets– chemically speaking, Molly broke out a game console and we played video games until after 3am. Playing video games came to an end because of a spontaneous make out session that led us back to playing more adult games until I was completely satisfied. Then we listened to music and talked for at least another hour before falling asleep together. I hope my example illustrates that Molly can find something to entertain anybody. You can engage her in conversation on a wide range of topics: sports, environmental biology, music of any kind, TV and pop culture, current events, literature, or her love of fast cars; or you can have an incredibly hot time in (or out of) bed with her; or you can take her to the stadium to see a game; or take her out to eat. And have her for desert, later. She does it all.
In my opinion, Molly has the perfect combination of ability, freedom, and willingness to provide long GFE appointments. Other providers either lack the experience, or have family obligations that crop up, or just aren't happy to spend so much time being with a hobbyist. But that isn't true of Miss Molly Mae Daniels. She is the real deal. It's a pity for those of us in the Cincinnati area that Molly travels so much, but I suppose a girl's got to do what a girl's got to do.
[QUOTE=AdamP469; 1564596]I was about to post a rant, but this thread has been pretty rant packed lately, so I decided to post something more on the Rave / Opinion side of things.
I've seen Molly Daniels repeatedly for several months. She has always been relatively easy to contact when I have wanted to schedule a visit. I suppose it could be a case of YMMV with the other providers I've seen, but Molly is the only provider I've ever engaged for an overnight date because I've never found myself bored in her presence.
Part of the reason I find Molly Daniels so captivating, apart from her good looks, is that she is well rounded. I don't mean well rounded in comparison to other providers, I mean in general. I recall one night during a break between one round of adult fun and another, we were talking about research she did during grad school and then began arguing about the theory of Peak Oil. Molly jumped out of bed, plugged her laptop into her TV, and pulled up a graph of Hubbert's Peak. Ok, maybe science isn't your thing, but how many providers would do something like that as they tried to make their case in a debate? I bring up this point because it has been my experience that after an hour, the enchantment that most escorts provide starts to break down; either I get bored with the provider, or she gets bored with me, and the illusion of a GFE starts to crumble. With Molly, this has never happened. Any way, that night, after talking about oil and gas shortages, arguing about the position of certain elements on the periodic table, and discussing the possibility of life on other planets– chemically speaking, Molly broke out a game console and we played video games until after 3am. Playing video games came to an end because of a spontaneous make out session that led us back to playing more adult games until I was completely satisfied. Then we listened to music and talked for at least another hour before falling asleep together. I hope my example illustrates that Molly can find something to entertain anybody. You can engage her in conversation on a wide range of topics: sports, environmental biology, music of any kind, TV and pop culture, current events, literature, or her love of fast cars; or you can have an incredibly hot time in (or out of) bed with her; or you can take her to the stadium to see a game; or take her out to eat. And have her for desert, later. She does it all.
In my opinion, Molly has the perfect combination of ability, freedom, and willingness to provide long GFE appointments. Other providers either lack the experience, or have family obligations that crop up, or just aren't happy to spend so much time being with a hobbyist. But that isn't true of Miss Molly Mae Daniels. She is the real deal. It's a pity for those of us in the Cincinnati area that Molly travels so much, but I suppose a girl's got to do what a girl's got to do.[/QUOTE]Awesome report. Would love to discuss the recent events surrounding the Higgs boson while mesmerized by those eyes. Great adventure you had. Stay safe. JG
I can discuss any type of scientific theory with you when I get back next month.
Raleigh this week, the dirty south next week, and Cancun the week after that.
I'll be back to Cincy around the first of November.
Kisses,
Molly
What is up with all the no African American ads, a bratha got a need too. I'm not going to pay you with wooden nickels, and yeah I maybe a little bit more charismatic then some others, but really my green is good too and I just have needs like other people. So if anyone knows anybody who doesn't have barriers, of the color variety, drop me a line because I would like to have a more permanent solution 4 my problem. I'm 46 years old I just want someone to play with.
That is insane that you and the girls have had to deal with this crap. What happened with the guys that called the police and gave them your room number? Since you know the guy that raped you, are you considering pressing charges? He should not get away with it.
[QUOTE=SexyGirls; 1576072]Erika and I have encountered a rash of creeps in the last few days, from people trying to hurt us, to people who enjoy the session and then don't pay, (oops forgot my wallet! What man walks out of the house without their wallet) to those guys that want to pay for a half hour then stay an hour or more and just chit chat.
We have even had two dudes on seperate occassions that never made an appointment, but somehow knew where we were, then just stopped by, waited in the lobby followed us back to the room, when we would not see them, they called the cops from the hall of the incall, and gave them the room number. Twice that has happened.
I had a black dude the other day, who I knew, but had never had as a client, who was simply too large of a member to fit inside of me, who forced me down and basically rapes me, then took his money off of the table, while I was crying, and walked out.
We do our very best to keep casual, and to be polite and non invasive with clients, but its starting to really get to us.
We don't want to go the bodyguard route cause it will scare the legitimate clients off, but this crap is getting ridiculous. Were both about 125 pounds, not enough mass to deal with a bad client, so we have to do something to protect ourselves from these types of guys.
Were having to go to pay up front instead of paying at the end, staying within minutes of a support person if we have to holler for help.
Jackson needs to have a section where we can post the informaton we have on creeps so other providers can avoid them, from no shows, to non payers, to these scary types.
This kind of crap happens to providers, so it is what it is, but we are going to step our game to protect ourselves.
Thanks for letting me vent.
Crissee[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SexyGirls; 1576072]Erika and I have encountered a rash of creeps in the last few days, from people trying to hurt us, to people who enjoy the session and then don't pay, (oops forgot my wallet! What man walks out of the house without their wallet) to those guys that want to pay for a half hour then stay an hour or more and just chit chat.
We have even had two dudes on seperate occassions that never made an appointment, but somehow knew where we were, then just stopped by, waited in the lobby followed us back to the room, when we would not see them, they called the cops from the hall of the incall, and gave them the room number. Twice that has happened.
I had a black dude the other day, who I knew, but had never had as a client, who was simply too large of a member to fit inside of me, who forced me down and basically rapes me, then took his money off of the table, while I was crying, and walked out.
We do our very best to keep casual, and to be polite and non invasive with clients, but its starting to really get to us.
We don't want to go the bodyguard route cause it will scare the legitimate clients off, but this crap is getting ridiculous. Were both about 125 pounds, not enough mass to deal with a bad client, so we have to do something to protect ourselves from these types of guys.
Were having to go to pay up front instead of paying at the end, staying within minutes of a support person if we have to holler for help.
Jackson needs to have a section where we can post the informaton we have on creeps so other providers can avoid them, from no shows, to non payers, to these scary types.
This kind of crap happens to providers, so it is what it is, but we are going to step our game to protect ourselves.
Thanks for letting me vent.
Crissee[/QUOTE]Damn that's terrible. I hope you have some good way to communicate to other ladies who these people are and what they've done.
I'd like to think there is some way to let the guys in on these creeps and as a community ostracize these jerks.
This report makes me very sad. You guys are good ladies and do not deserve to be treated this way. I am so sorry you guys are experiencing this unacceptable behavior. Please be safe and stay close to vetted good clients.
[QUOTE=SylvieAmour;1578020]I have had so many guys try to "negotiate" with me on my rates. They are not negotiable. I'm not lowering them for anyone. Sorry but I have a business to run here and how would you feel if you showed up to get your paycheck and it was half of what you had earned? Youd be pissaed right? And when guys cancel and say "oh I'm sorry you're almost here how about another day?" its like what if you showed up to get your check and they told you "its not here maybe another day it will be here." yeah pissed again. So think about that before you bail on an appt. This is how we feed our kids and survive and pay bills. It is my only job. And probably its that way for most of us girls in this business. Some guys think we should lower the rates for them for whatever reason they have and I'm sorry but I only do specials for my regulars bc they keep comin back ya know? I'm sorry I had to get this off my chest its been eating at me all week.[/QUOTE]Everyone needs to vent from time to time. As far as negotiating goes I am guilty of that. But I always thought that senior members of this site would get a 10% discount. Now some providers will honor that and some won't. But I agree that you are the one providing the services therefore you should charge and receive what you are asking for. As far as being stood up there no excuse for it. From provider or clients. I know shit happens and my phone died or I need a babysitter excuse. But the way I feel is that were are supposed to be adults and therefore know where we need to be at set time. And if you can't then you need to let that person know. Hope it get better for you and experienceless problems
[QUOTE=SylvieAmour;1578020]I have had so many guys try to "negotiate" with me on my rates. They are not negotiable. I'm not lowering them for anyone. Sorry but I have a business to run here and how would you feel if you showed up to get your paycheck and it was half of what you had earned? Youd be pissed right? And when guys cancel and say "oh I'm sorry you're almost here how about another day?" its like what if you showed up to get your check and they told you "its not here maybe another day it will be here." yeah pissed again. So think about that before you bail on an appt. This is how we feed our kids and survive and pay bills. It is my only job. And probably its that way for most of us girls in this business. Some guys think we should lower the rates for them for whatever reason they have and I'm sorry but I only do specials for my regulars bc they keep comin back ya know? I'm sorry I had to get this off my chest its been eating at me all week.[/QUOTE]Actually this could have been written by any commissioned sales person or small business owner in the city. I feel your pain every day in my job! And so does every phone solicitor, car salesmen, realtor, loan officer, and other commissioned sales rep. Like it or not, that is the reality of the society and economic situation in our country. Also remember, SHIT HAPPENS! Everyday more and more out of control shit happens in life! It isn't right, but it is reality.
There are many people out there that also feel your pain Sylvie. Hopefully everyone that puts up this kind of crap in their job will make an extra effort to be more considerate!
Thanks for your rant!
Be safe,
Dilli
[QUOTE=SexyGirls; 1576072]Erika and I have encountered a rash of creeps in the last few days, from people trying to hurt us, to people who enjoy the session and then don't pay, (oops forgot my wallet! What man walks out of the house without their wallet) to those guys that want to pay for a half hour then stay an hour or more and just chit chat.
We have even had two dudes on seperate occassions that never made an appointment, but somehow knew where we were, then just stopped by, waited in the lobby followed us back to the room, when we would not see them, they called the cops from the hall of the incall, and gave them the room number. Twice that has happened.
I had a black dude the other day, who I knew, but had never had as a client, who was simply too large of a member to fit inside of me, who forced me down and basically rapes me, then took his money off of the table, while I was crying, and walked out.
We do our very best to keep casual, and to be polite and non invasive with clients, but its starting to really get to us.
We don't want to go the bodyguard route cause it will scare the legitimate clients off, but this crap is getting ridiculous. Were both about 125 pounds, not enough mass to deal with a bad client, so we have to do something to protect ourselves from these types of guys.
Were having to go to pay up front instead of paying at the end, staying within minutes of a support person if we have to holler for help.
Jackson needs to have a section where we can post the informaton we have on creeps so other providers can avoid them, from no shows, to non payers, to these scary types.
This kind of crap happens to providers, so it is what it is, but we are going to step our game to protect ourselves.
Thanks for letting me vent.
Crissee[/QUOTE]I don't know if there's ever going to be a section to list bad clients, though it wouldn't be a bad idea. As it is, there are enough providers on the boards now that it shouldn't be hard to make a list of them and share your info via PMs. And, honestly, this information could be posted in general reports or rants and raves too. Since it may involve PII, it's probably best left to PMs anyway though.
No one should ever be raped under any circumstances. Because of the circumstances in your case, your ability to prosecute it is practically nil, which is unfortunate.
Unlike some others on here, I don't have any qualms about putting my money down upfront, for the very reason that I understand providers have a legitimate risk of being ripped off and are at a disadvantage physically in any altercation (at least I am unlikely to be attracted to a provider who could beat me up.). This has caused me to lose some money, but I do actually think it's fair.
That pisses me off too, since I have seen both Crissie and Erika and both gave great service. There are too many assholes in cincy
Sorry, I just don't think it's good practice to pay up front. I don't pay my barber, dentist, lawyer, plumber, contractor, accountant, etc, etc, up front. I don't think you pay (or tip) for a service before it is received. I understand that some providers are worried about being ripped off, just as some of us are worried about non performance of services contracted. Being in business requires taking financial risks, but in no way should it ever be a risk to safety.
I also believe that a seller has the right to set his, or her, price no matter what is being sold. The buyer also has the right to ask if a better deal or discount is available. If not available the seller should just say no, then it's up to the buyer to decide to proceed with the transaction or not. It's the way businesses operate, especially a personal service service business.
Obviously if buyers, sellers and posters would just treat each other with respect this board, this business and this hobby would be much more enjoyable.
That's my 2 cents.
Have fun, be safe.
B
[QUOTE=SexyGirls; 1576072]Erika and I have encountered a rash of creeps in the last few days, from people trying to hurt us, to people who enjoy the session and then don't pay, (oops forgot my wallet! What man walks out of the house without their wallet) to those guys that want to pay for a half hour then stay an hour or more and just chit chat.
We have even had two dudes on seperate occassions that never made an appointment, but somehow knew where we were, then just stopped by, waited in the lobby followed us back to the room, when we would not see them, they called the cops from the hall of the incall, and gave them the room number. Twice that has happened.
I had a black dude the other day, who I knew, but had never had as a client, who was simply too large of a member to fit inside of me, who forced me down and basically rapes me, then took his money off of the table, while I was crying, and walked out.
We do our very best to keep casual, and to be polite and non invasive with clients, but its starting to really get to us.
We don't want to go the bodyguard route cause it will scare the legitimate clients off, but this crap is getting ridiculous. Were both about 125 pounds, not enough mass to deal with a bad client, so we have to do something to protect ourselves from these types of guys.
Were having to go to pay up front instead of paying at the end, staying within minutes of a support person if we have to holler for help.
Jackson needs to have a section where we can post the informaton we have on creeps so other providers can avoid them, from no shows, to non payers, to these scary types.
This kind of crap happens to providers, so it is what it is, but we are going to step our game to protect ourselves.
Thanks for letting me vent.
Crissee[/QUOTE]Crissee,
I realize I have never met you, but was quite disturbed when I read your post. I certainly don't have the solution for you, but I wish / hope this is an isolated incident and will never happen againg
Please stay safe, Solo
[QUOTE=Sinful Dreams; 1581777]I don't mind hair, as long as your are well clean, and I haven't had a problem with that with any of my clients. I even have shaved 3 of my clients and it was rather erotic and very sensual. If you come from work, or not straight from home, you have been more than courteous to take a quick shower to freshen up the boys and I very much appreciate that.
Be Safe,
Ally[/QUOTE]Ally has a great point, if you aren't going to trim, or shave, at least wash WITH SOAP!
LOL!
To answer Sylvie's question, one possible answer for not shaving or trimming things neatly is that they may have a wife or girlfriend. It is no secret that many "attached" guys hobby for the oral sex. They may not be getting that at home. That can put them in a bind if they have never shaved or trimmed before down there.
Try to think like the other woman for a moment. Just imagine how many red flags that would set off if your husband or boyfriend suddenly began shaving or trimming down there, and also being keenly aware that you were not giving him blowjobs and that it was a hot-point in your relationship?
That is no excuse for not being clean though. Just one reason why a guy might not be doing radical changes in his grooming.
Luckily, I have a perfect excuse, being a bit overweight-pubic hair has chaffing issues.
Ally, I love the idea of a shaving session-that does sound erotic-do you charge extra? LOL! I was just thinking how damn hard it is for a guy of my girth to be sure he is shaving everything, and also not trying to shave-by-feel around something so. Well, vulnerable.
-PD
[QUOTE=Buster6914; 1578828]Sorry, I just don't think it's good practice to pay up front. I don't pay my barber, dentist, lawyer, plumber, contractor, accountant, etc, etc, up front. I don't think you pay (or tip) for a service before it is received. I understand that some providers are worried about being ripped off, just as some of us are worried about non performance of services contracted. Being in business requires taking financial risks, but in no way should it ever be a risk to safety.
I also believe that a seller has the right to set his, or her, price no matter what is being sold. The buyer also has the right to ask if a better deal or discount is available. If not available the seller should just say no, then it's up to the buyer to decide to proceed with the transaction or not. It's the way businesses operate, especially a personal service service business.
Obviously if buyers, sellers and posters would just treat each other with respect this board, this business and this hobby would be much more enjoyable.
That's my 2 cents.
Have fun, be safe.
B[/QUOTE]That with your barber, lawyer, accountant, dentist, contractor etc. You're not engaging them anonymously for an illegal activity in a private room where you enjoy considerable physical advantages. And, in at least some of those other cases, a retainer or upfront insurance information is required. So I'm not sure the analogy on upfront payment is quite spot on.
By the nature of this board, we hear a lot about the ripoffs of customers by providers. But my guess is that it happens the other way around a lot more often.
Just sayin, I haven't always paid upfront, but will do so if asked and the situation feels right.
[QUOTE=Buster6914; 1578828]Sorry, I just don't think it's good practice to pay up front. I don't pay my barber, dentist, lawyer, plumber, contractor, accountant, etc, etc, up front. I don't think you pay (or tip) for a service before it is received. I understand that some providers are worried about being ripped off, just as some of us are worried about non performance of services contracted. Being in business requires taking financial risks, but in no way should it ever be a risk to safety.
I also believe that a seller has the right to set his, or her, price no matter what is being sold. The buyer also has the right to ask if a better deal or discount is available. If not available the seller should just say no, then it's up to the buyer to decide to proceed with the transaction or not. It's the way businesses operate, especially a personal service service business.
Obviously if buyers, sellers and posters would just treat each other with respect this board, this business and this hobby would be much more enjoyable.
That's my 2 cents.
Have fun, be safe.
B[/QUOTE]This topic is often batted around on boards like this. Usually there are folks that are adamant one way or another, and it is usually because they have had a bad experience in the past. For the ladies, that means some guy manages to get the services from a gal, and then claims he left his wallet down in the car, and poof, he is in the wind. For the gents, it means they have been cashed and dashed, or even worse, rolled by a pimp or boyfriend for everything they had on them, and get the wonderful parting gift of a few bruises or a concussion.
There are valid points to both sides of the argument about when payment should be made.
That is why, it is smart to rely on the Switzerland approach for first meets:
Use a white envelope-do not seal it-put the money in the envelope, tuck the flap in so that green shows (so the lady knows there isn't Monopoly money or newspaper clippings) and place the envelope where both parties can see it during the session like on the TV or drawer counter top.
When playtime is over the lady, scoops up the envelope and can count it in the bathroom when she cleans up.
No muss-no fuss.
Of course some jerk could hide singles between twenties, which goes to show you that no plan would be foolproof, but this is probably the safest approach for both parties that you can come up with, hence the staying power of the good old fashioned envelope.
Just for the record, on your poor analogy about a barber, contractor etc. First, these ladies are not exactly in the same sector of the service industry as those other professions, but even those professions often have safeguards. Especially once you are above the barber at value level, say anything over $100:
You will get no service up front from an attorney-they will ask for a retainer. Often contractors expect a deposit. You doctor usually asks for a copayment and proof of insurance BEFORE you go back to the exam room. Hell, you now have to prepay your gasoline at the pump. The reality is, very few merchants of any type trust you beyond fifty bucks.
Get over it. If the lady wants the money up front, either do as she requests, or shop around until you find a lady with a policy you like better. Good luck with that.
Ok, I don't normally get into the whole rants, but you gentlemen do ask and require discretion, as a provider, I ask for the same,
My clients understand that and repect me for it, I ask in my ad for no explicit questions, yet some still feel they can ask, which in turn.
Results in not seeing that particular person, please guys, give me the same respect you require. I do have a life outside of what I choose and love.
Doing to earn a living. I understand you all have questions regarding the services you are going to get, but to blatantly ask a provider via text or on the phone.
Is not the way to go. I am a private person and ask my privacy and what happens behind closed doors be repected. Now that said Let the Fun Continue! Rhonda.
BTW, Thank you to all my clients who have respected my requests.
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I can remember a day when providers almost never posted on this board. I often don't mind when they do, because it's often interesting. But I do mind when they start bashing each other, which adds a whole other layer of stupidity to a board that increasingly has little else. And, as I've said before, I think it rarely helps the business of any provider to get involved in debates on this board.
So, I've put Alexandria513 on my ignore list. I suggest everyone else do likewise, then follow through by actually ignoring her. She's a troll, basically. I'm going to spend a lot more time using this function broadly in the future, in fact.
I would add that I'm no white knight for Ally, haven't seen her, don't plan to because she just doesn't seem to be my type. But no one deserves to be bashed just for trying to do their business.
In fact, I'm not sure I would mind a rule in which Forum Advertisers could only post in the advertising section, plus maybe on this thread.
Live and learn, I guess. Just got told "what for" from a provider that was referenced from here to that fancy board that sounds like a race or state. Left my email by mistake and got a reply where all of us here were painted with a broad brush as being less than human. Every once in a while, when things are going OK along comes a reminder of what can go wrong in a hurry and what we are sometimes dealing with. I asked about a meeting and gave my handle on this board as reference very politely. Reply was so toxic I am not going to mention it here or her name. I will never go there again. I didn't know USASG was so hated by some. Got to go sit in a pail of water to put the fire out. Stay safe, JG
[QUOTE=JohnGalt10;1586568]Live and learn, I guess. Just got told "what for" from a provider that was referenced from here to that fancy board that sounds like a race or state. Left my email by mistake and got a reply where all of us here were painted with a broad brush as being less than human. Every once in a while, when things are going OK along comes a reminder of what can go wrong in a hurry and what we are sometimes dealing with. I asked about a meeting and gave my handle on this board as reference very politely. Reply was so toxic I am not going to mention it here or her name. I will never go there again. I didn't know USASG was so hated by some. Got to go sit in a pail of water to put the fire out. Stay safe, JG[/QUOTE]Anytime some some treats you bad remember there are other girls that would treasure you and appreciated the help chin up little soldier.
[QUOTE=JohnGalt10;1586568]Live and learn, I guess. Just got told "what for" from a provider that was referenced from here to that fancy board that sounds like a race or state. Left my email by mistake and got a reply where all of us here were painted with a broad brush as being less than human. Every once in a while, when things are going OK along comes a reminder of what can go wrong in a hurry and what we are sometimes dealing with. I asked about a meeting and gave my handle on this board as reference very politely. Reply was so toxic I am not going to mention it here or her name. I will never go there again. I didn't know USASG was so hated by some. Got to go sit in a pail of water to put the fire out. Stay safe, JG[/QUOTE]Just had a well known provider also blast me and remind me I am just a john, just a walking wallet, not their GF or friend at all.
I mean I am old enough to know the drill, hate being reminded of it.
I contacted a provider and was told they retired, so I said if you come out of retirement let me know, and I got this torrent of what Johns mean to escorts in general, yadda yadda yadda.
Wonder if it was the same woman.
Oh well, lots to choose from, so my money and I are going elsewhere.
Sincity12 says stay safe
For the record, I have never complained or posted on this forum I haven't needed to but I was texted by a client and or friend of mine who knew I have been with family due to a Halloween Baby being Born! . So I get a copy paste sent to me and I'm amazed at what I seen. _- Originally Posted by TM*24.
I am glad that you had this experience however, she gave me the run around with her partner Michelle hey been around for a while and both of them are no good. Same story with with Michelle. <-_- Now I don't give people the run around. To say someone is "no good" with out seeing them is more than a person would know if never had any experience with them. I can see where you would assume that but I would think the run around would be a bunch of excuses or telling you Yes I'll get you in an never doing it. I simply said over and over that I was booked. Technically unless watching my house a person would never know the difference. I just wanted to say on here that I put very specifically in my ad that I do not accept black men and I know I never seen this client because after being shown his other posting. 15 posts starting on only October 10, 2012 and we are currently November 4th. 2012 is a lot of money spent on 15 different providers in only 3 weeks time, thats like seeing a provider once every other day! Now out of 15 post the client has posted 11 bad reviews. Picky yet rich? Maybe, doubtful but maybe. I know I never seen this client because one of his post states he is Black. He states he is in his own post As shown here. _- Regular Member. Reports 15- TM*24. My deam is good What is up with all the no African American ads, a bratha got a need too. I'm not going to pay you with wooden nickels, and yeah I maybe a little bit more charismatic then some others, but really my green is good too and I just have needs like other people. <- I am really confused? How does someone say things about people they have never met? Not to mention the review he is writing in reply to was 3 weeks old? I responded by saying the truth, every client deserves to get paired with a provider who is comfortable with him, treats him good and won't scam him. I also think that providers who accept money from a client knowing good darn well you are scared of him or for any reason uncomfortable with him. Just be nice and say I can't get you in. No need to offend a client or make them feel less than. Don't take their money$ knowing you'll do a poor job. But then another client reminded me how it wasn't just said I gave the run around which I always said I was booked nothing more. He also said I and my Partner and I don't even have one! Was NO Good? Now if a Provider made a comment to another provider about a client being say "Aggressive or dirty or Pushy or Violent!" He'd find it hard to get in with anyone because it would ruin his name right? And we would pay the price with a Backlash of things said to ruin our Rep. So why would a person do that? For a client who is known for posting B. S. And more bad reviews than good. They say if you feel like something is wrong with everyone you meet, it probably isn't them!
Yes I do have high self-confidence. I do think I am incredibly sexy and smart. If I didn't at least think I was sexy, why would I be in this hobby?
When I spazed out in the parking lot about my dog, ummm, like was in the beginning of spring! And no clients were there to witness that. I was arguing with a neighbor that did not like my dog. So the only way anyone would know about that is if I told them the story, which I probably did! If I didn't tell anyone the story, I'm sure I wrote about it on my blog.
Sometimes I wish I was 'looped up' on something when I read this board! It may make it easier to digest.
But to all my haters, keep on hating! I'm not going anywhere.
Just do everyone else a favor-if you don't like me, fine! Just keep your opinions to yourselves, and quit cluttering up the board with useless opinions about providers you have never seen.
As they say in Hollywood, 'all publicity is good publicity'.
Kisses and have a wonderful day!
Molly
In any rational universe the fact that I am able to have a sexual experience with a consenting adult only if I pay that adult would be nobody's business but mine. Tragically, this is not the case. Other than the urge to survive, the urge for sex in a normal man is the strongest urge he has to deal with. I have come to the conclusion that legal and regulated prostitution is better than the alternative since it eliminates pimps and eliminates crimes on the client and on the woman.
Feminists like to quote these absolutely specious statistics, a typical trick of the feminist movement of the last twenty years. For example, they'll say the majority of prostitutes have been sexually abused as children. But there's no evidence for this! The most successful prostitutes are invisible, because the sign of a prostitute's success is her absolute blending with the environment. She's so shrewd, she never becomes visible. She never gets in trouble. She has command of her life, and her clients. The ones who get into the surveys have drug problems or psychological problems. They're the ones who were sexually abused. Feminists are using amateurs to condemn a whole profession. This is appalling!
I'm against the harassment of prostitutes. Unless they are actually interfering with people's movements, they have a perfect right to be doing what they're doing."
Prostitution, it is commonly said, is the world's oldest profession. Even so, it remains unlike any other in the stigma that surrounds it. No parent wants their child to grow up to become a sex-trade worker. Prostitution will never be "normal"in the same way as being a dentist of locksmith.
Prostitution should not be a crime. Prostitutes are not committing an inherently harmful act. While the spread of disease and other detriments are possible in the practice of prostitution, criminalization is a sure way of exacerbating rather than addressing such effects. We saw this quite clearly in the time of alcohol prohibition in this country.
I would like the government to decriminalize prostitution but to regulate it in the way that other intimate service professions (such as massage therapists and doctors) are regulated on the basis of hygiene-related concerns.
One thing I would add is that there is a double-standard that permeates the enforcement of laws against prostitution. The prostitutes are harassed, arrested, and sometimes prosecuted, while the johns and often the pimps, who are far more likely to be engaged in violent and master / slave-like treatment of the prostitutes are ignored. This reflects the view that men who traffic in women are not as bad as the women in whom they traffic. If people are honestly concerned about the wellbeing of women in this profession, then they must begin by removing the status of 'outlaw' from these women so that they can come forward and receive help if and when they feel they want to leave a profession that can otherwise be quite difficult to escape.
Even in secular, sexually liberated societies, most people regard the buying and selling of sex as morally questionable, if not outright sinful. Prostitution is strongly associated with broken, exploited lives. Drug addiction among prostitutes is common both as a cause and effect of life on the streets.
So while we agree with those who would call for compassion and understanding for sex-trade workers, we also feel it is important to emphasize that, except in rare cases, prostitution is a tragedy for the prostitute. And she (it usually is a she) should be given every encouragement for their service to us.
Prostitution is the provision of sexual services for negotiated payment between consenting adults. So defined, prostitution is a service industry like any other in which people exchange skills for money or other reward.
Non-consenting adults and all children forced into sexual activity (commercial or otherwise) deserve the full protection of the law and perpetrators deserve full punishment by the law.
Workers in the sex industry deserve the same rights as workers in any other trade, including the right to legal protection from crimes such as sexual harassment, sexual abuse and rape.
It's not difficult for a free society to keep violent crime to a minimum with little intrusion on individual liberty and at relatively low cost. But governments also prosecute 'victimless' crimes. These are acts that (1) are illegal, (2) involve no intrusion on anyone's person or property, and (3) about which no injured party files a complaint with the police. These acts include such things as prostitution, gambling, and drug use. They are activities in which all parties participate voluntarily.
Either individuals are responsible for their own acts including their choices of relationships or the government is responsible for everything you do. There is no middle ground. Giving government the power to outlaw consensual activity allows the politicians to impose any laws they want on you. And they will use that power.
There are some unscrupulous people in all walks of life, government, law, journalism, banking, law enforcement, the stock exchange, medicine, the clergy, prostitution, etc. If every profession were criminalised when some of its members broke the law, there would be few legally sanctioned professions. Unscrupulous people should be summarily dealt with by the law, regardless of which profession they corrupt
Molly,
You couldn't have said it any better. I sometimes wonder why people would rather be hateful than nice or if having nothing nice to say then just say nothing at all.
Keep on keeping on!
MM.
[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1591442]Yes I do have high self-confidence. I do think I am incredibly sexy and smart. If I didn't at least think I was sexy, why would I be in this hobby?
When I spazed out in the parking lot about my dog, ummm, like was in the beginning of spring! And no clients were there to witness that. I was arguing with a neighbor that did not like my dog. So the only way anyone would know about that is if I told them the story, which I probably did! If I didn't tell anyone the story, I'm sure I wrote about it on my blog.
Sometimes I wish I was 'looped up' on something when I read this board! It may make it easier to digest.
But to all my haters, keep on hating! I'm not going anywhere.
Just do everyone else a favor-if you don't like me, fine! Just keep your opinions to yourselves, and quit cluttering up the board with useless opinions about providers you have never seen.
As they say in Hollywood, 'all publicity is good publicity'.
Kisses and have a wonderful day!
Molly[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1591442]Yes I do have high self-confidence. I do think I am incredibly sexy and smart. If I didn't at least think I was sexy, why would I be in this hobby?
When I spazed out in the parking lot about my dog, ummm, like was in the beginning of spring! And no clients were there to witness that. I was arguing with a neighbor that did not like my dog. So the only way anyone would know about that is if I told them the story, which I probably did! If I didn't tell anyone the story, I'm sure I wrote about it on my blog.
Sometimes I wish I was 'looped up' on something when I read this board! It may make it easier to digest.
But to all my haters, keep on hating! I'm not going anywhere.
Just do everyone else a favor-if you don't like me, fine! Just keep your opinions to yourselves, and quit cluttering up the board with useless opinions about providers you have never seen.
As they say in Hollywood, 'all publicity is good publicity'.
Kisses and have a wonderful day!
Molly[/QUOTE]Obviously, the afore mentioned, has NOT spent Quality time or dime, with you! With the onslaught of drama Queens, Kings on this particular site, interesting enough, I travel all over the country, read every review in the city I'm in and surrounding cities, this by far is the worst one! It's amazing that we have the Quality selection of beautiful women that we do, even with the small quasi crazy few, that attempt to be a provider and are found out, usually sooner than later, trying to slip thru, but that the fact that anyone would want to join, for this kind of abuse, makes me question their sanity!
Now, I have personally walked out of Mollys Sin Den, Smiling, Chuckling, weak at the knees, amazed at her beauty and gifted talents, for her craft. So if she appears cocky, stuck up, what ever, Who Cares! This is America, Don't Go! We are receiving, for mutually agreed pricing, in a half hour or hour, for far less than a dating sequence would cost, a No strings attached, sin filled, moral debauchery, while living out our most depraved, pornographic fantasies, that are already on film or soon to be, with no cuddling, talking, or Commitment! Isn't it Great to be an American! Even with all of the mundane BS, going on in our daily lives, we can pick up the phone, call a gorgeous spinner, like Molly, for a couple of pictures of your and my favorite presidents and take out all of the tension, drama, BS, whatever, leaving with a smile on our faces, like we did when we were teenagers!
In closing, after talking to Molly, she is very intelligent and trying to make a living, while having a life, while sharing her gifts with us. If you / we continually piss off the quality providers, what will we have to spend our loot on? Join trip advisor today, bash a restaurant, if you want to write a review, Cause Molly aint on the menu there!
I am not for sure what the big deal with Buddha is, but from what I have gathered, he is just trying to spread useful info.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
But when you hate on him, all his intel goes with him.
Let's just think with the right head.
Kisses,
Molly
[QUOTE=MattieFromCinc;1592140]Even in secular, sexually liberated societies, most people regard the buying and selling of sex as morally questionable, if not outright sinful.[/QUOTE]Mattie, I agree with your observations that governments have no justification to intrude on the rights of two consenting adults to engage in a sexual relationship whether there is money involved or not. I don't see why money changing hands suddenly makes an otherwise legal activity become illegal. If the the exchange of money makes sex illegal, then I guess a lot of married people should be prosecuted for their sexual activities, too, because in a lot of cases the only difference between marriage and pay-for-play is the amount of money involves and the length of the terms of the contract. And if somebody thinks I am wrong and that marriage isn't about trading sex for money, than he or she should ask himself or herself why a divorced spouse gets financially compensated when their marital contract is broken? I think the fact that divorcees get paid by their former spouses pretty much proves that at some level marriage, too, is about exchanging sex for money.
Mattie, I do, however, disagree to some extent with your point that I quoted above. In the past six weeks I've read a few news stories from Europe that seem to show that in some secular societies, selling of sex is becoming more acceptable. One example is a recent story about a school in Valencia where people get instructions in how to perform the worlds oldest profession. Another example was a story from Italy in which a client was refusing to pay a provider, and the provider called the police. Instead of charging the provider for selling sex, the police arrested the client for theft since he had received services from the woman and then refused to pay the previously agreed price.
When I think about police in another country taking the side of a provider who has been mistreated by a client and contrast that with the stories that Crissee and Ally have reported recently about their own examples of being victimized by hobbyists, it makes me want to rant. Thankfully, Mattie has taken the time to post a well thought out defense of hobbying and I don't have to hash all that out myself. The one question I have, though, is how can countries from the "Old World" like Spain and Italy and even Holland be more progressive when it comes to selling sex than we are here in the USA? Is it just our country's puritanical roots that are tripping us up when it comes to considering a rational or humane way of thinking about and dealing with exchanging money for companionship that includes sexual gratification?
[QUOTE=Sinful Dreams; 1594777]Okay men I know you enjoy your female masseuses, but do you KNOW how hard it is to find a licensed or at least someone that knows what they are doing and how to massage. I don' mind going to females, but I prefer a male. I have to have that "deep tissue" massage done, or I am just tight all over again with just a regular massage, so does anyone know of any LMT's that offer the deep tissue?
Kisses,
Ally[/QUOTE]ThAddress:
3417 Princeton Road Suite #127.
Hamilton, OH 45011.
Hours of Operation:
10:00 AM. 6:00 PM Sunday
8:00 AM. 10:00 PM Monday-Friday
8:00 AM. 8:00 PM Saturday
Phone: 513-868-3689.
In the Bridgewater Falls Shopping Center at State OH-129 and OH By-Pass 4.
there are two men at this location Sterling and wiston I have heard that they we good and could do "Deep tissue" and it would be close to ypur incall in west chester. Hope this helps you out.