Uh... what are the hours of the sheriff's patrol???
Not to project beyond the obvious, but, TV says these sheriff guys are patrollling 11 PM to like 4 PM... And (I am SURE) no one can spot a SHERIFF's car... ?? Sorry to be so sarcastic, but give me a break. These guys are patrolling at times that are EASILY avoided (Hello--is it so difficult to cruise in the daylight...) [Added 2 Aug 06: I got a PM from someone who has spoken with LE--some ofthe sherrif's cars will be unmarked--so my sarcasim may be misplaced...]
On the other hand--SWs are not STUPID.. They keep their eyes out. If you keep your eyes out, are friends with your SWs, and follow the rules (see below) everything will be copasetic...
Giani
[QUOTE=Dr Moose]Just a word of caution to everyone. Today Aug 1st is the start of the agreement with the city and the county to provide 18 extra deputies to patrol OTR and work with the task force.
This means an increased presence on the war on drugs but also means more traffic stops for non downtown residents and running everyone else including the gals off the streets.
Remember, if you get popped for picking up someone downtown your car is impounded, john school and big fines.
Be Safe,
Dr Moose[/QUOTE]
Quiet Board--maybe a reflection of quiet streets? (Maybe not SO quiet.)
Maybe it is the dawg days??? Very few posts these days, hey?
So here is a mini-report of yet more of my adventrues and misadventures...
Cruised for almost 45 minutes recently at dusk. Looking for M*****a with whom I had a positive experience not long ago (see recent post). A dude (whom I now call "one-eye") at the corner of McM and Vine came up to my car, seeming to know me, "Who you looking for?" He said he had just seen M*****a, he'd show me. I let him into the car (mistake....) Driving around OTR--not here, not there, not over there. Finally, I say hey--I gotta go. He says I have taken a lot of his time, and he needed something.... I have my monger's wallet on me--0.2 and a couple 0.01s. I say, OK--here is 0.02. NO--he gets 0.04... is adamant. He points to his absent L eye--"This eye was shot out-- Don't mess with me..." He reaches suggestively into his R pocket. I tell him all I got is change and the 0.2 for mongering. "You owe me 0.02 more!" I give him the pocket change. We have arrived back at the convenience store at Vine and McM again. I stop and say "We are done, get out." He is not moving. Another brother walks up, he says "I'll make you change so you can give him the rest of his 'fee.' Give me the 0.2."
I don't THINK so. Just at that point, who walks up but M*****a in a black outfit with white trim around the sleeves and shorts! One-eye says "See--I told you I'd find her..." But at that VERY moment, a cop car whoops behind me--we are blocking the turn lane. Melissa is out of there like a flash, I pull forward. One-eye is still in the passenger seat. I say, we are done. Either get out, or I am taking you on a long ride out of the city. He says fine, let's go. When we turn onto Liberty, heading for the expressway, he finally says, OK let me out here.... Newest lesson--don't pick up a dude who will "help" you unless you know him FOR SURE!
Rid of him, I circle back to look for M*****a, with no luck. I give up, heading out of OTR. At the intersection of the Shell station, a woman comes up from the convenience store--can you give me a ride to Court St? She doesn't look THAT bad--OK... Kelly is probably late 30s, short, says she give great "slobber knob."
Bottom line--for my remaining 0.2, I get 1/2 and 1/2: 1/2 BBBJ, 1/2 HJ... Sheesh. "I never catch, no matter what the fee, makes me vomit..." Tonight, it is more misadventures rather than adventures..
I have had better cruising, to say the least.
Be safe out there,
Giani
GAS PRICES vs MPG vs CRUISING vs ????
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I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU, WHEN GAS PRICES ARE HIGH I DO "ALOT LESS" CRUISING, and START CALLING SOME OF THOSE INACTIVE SW NUMBERS, to see if they now have minutes. I got LUCKLY only a few times, NOT often !!!!
AND, with all the LE out, it is getting hard to find sometime decent, so one must cruise for a longer time, and even with GooD MPG's that is still a lot of wasted gas.
ADD, to all this the WHOLE HASSLE FACTOR .....and CRUISING is becoming NOT worth the time, patience, and effort. You get LE overload, SW that need a Distemper Shot, someone getting to that decent one #5 second before you did, and the Cops making BOGUS Stops, then the whole issue of the Clean Up of the area, it is even making me rethink everything.
I mean on a BAD night/day you can easily burn up 2-5 gallons of gas looking.
NOW that may not sound like much, but if you add it up over time, that can equal to some money. The Exxon Executives can NOW afford the $1000 an hour call girls on our money.
.... NOW WILL I STOP .... NNNNNOOOOOO !!!!! WILL I CRUISE A LOT LESS,
OH HEEELLLL YEA !!!! So, I will be missing out, untill gas price come down to what I deem as to an affordable price. I still keep a lens out for the Diamonds in the Rough, but for everything else, I will be reading your POST.
BY THE WAY, I AM FINDING GREATER LUCK IN THE NONE TRADITIONAL, MORE OUT OF THE WAY AREAS OF OTR/WE. AREA WHERE THE SW's LOOK LIKE THEY AE JUST A PART OF THE CROWD. NOT MANY OF THE SW's ARE SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
REMEMBER SW's EITHER GET DROPPED OFF or WALK FROM POINT "A" to
POINT "B." They like to take short cuts .... HINT !!!!
RARELY .... DO THEY DRIVE !!!!
By the Way .... Dr. Hood Welcome to the Broad/Forum, along with all the other Newbies. LEARN QUICK !!
And Gianai I miss your Crazy Stories. You keep me Laughing !!
Oh by the WAY .... Has Anyone Seen "Martha" .... ????
WORD .... !!!!
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And YOU have a good eye for detail....
Seldom have I seen a larger snake, nor a better place to put one...
Giani
[QUOTE=World Wise]Nice attention to detail.....[/QUOTE]
Multiple busts of Johns in OTR?
I heard a radio report yesterday that the vice squad had multiple decoys out in OTR yesterday, and that "a couple dozen" Johns were busted, and had their vehicles confiscated. Anyone got the hard facts on this? I HOPE no one from this board was affected. We are all interested to know whether those busted followed the rules for mongering:
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=453336#post453336[/url]
In particular, did they follow rules 2 through 6:
2) Be VERY cautious if the "SW" on the street looks TOO good i.e., in Cincinnati, they DON'T dress in stilettos, leopard prints, or other obvious hooker outfits. It smells of a sting.
3) Do not call attention to yourself by making a show out of the stop (no U turns, no flagrant traffic moves). Pull onto the next side street and let her come to you. Alternatively, go smoothly around the block, having caught her eye.
4) When you pull up, be willing to drive away if your close up impression of her through the window is not good. (Sores, too thin, wired, dirty & stinky, sullen or "dead" eyes? SWs are NEVER as good as your first impression driving by...) Tell her you thought she was someone else.
5) Ask her if she needs a ride. She should say "Yes" and hop right into the car. Do NOT negotiate through the window. The monger's acid test is that LE stinging decoys will NOT get into the car. Please: if anyone knows differently, let us know. [A Senior poster I respect PMed me that he heard personally from a cop that decoys MAY get into the car, but neither of us has heard specifically of it happening. If you have PLEASE post it.] If she insists on negotiating through the window, tell her you thought she was someone else, a friend, and split. Watch out for tailing LE.
6) Once she is in the car, DO NOT immediately talk about what for how much! Ask her if you can get a feel of her bare breasts (LE would NEVER allow this--even if she DID get in th car...). She may grab your crotch to ensure that you aren't LE. THEN get a crystal clear understanding of exactly what you want (covered or no, catch or no, swallow or no, etc) and for exactly how much (plus tip if satisfied). Extensive bargaining is a warning flag of a troublesome SW, and another reason to turn her out. And--immediately get the hell out of the pick up neighborhood--I was once stopped by LE because he recognized the SW I had in the car.
Here are the minimal details about the OTR sting I found searching the web:
[url]http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/08/08/johns_sting.html[/url]
Giani
Decoys getting into cars..
In response to Giani:
I'm from Salt Lake, but I happened to come across your post and wanted to respond. I don't think it's done very often, but in Salt Lake every once in a while they will do busts with decoys that actually get into the car. It works this way: the decoy will be walking down the street and there will be a couple of older cars that will slow down and look at her or even stop and talk to her through the window and then drive off. The drivers of these cars appear to be mongers. An unsuspecting monger then stops and picks the decoy up and they drive off. Meanwhile these two older cars are still driving up and down the street. I guess when the right words are said the drivers of these two older cars flip on their hidden red and blue lights and pull the unsuspecting monger over. In addition, there would be marked police cars parked a couple of blocks away that would also drive up and assist in the arrest. The process seemed "labor intensive" so I don't think it's done very often, but I wouldn't assume all is safe just because someone gets into your car. (My first post and I didn't even post it in the Salt Lake section!!)
Coincidence? Atny Gen Gonzales visits Cincy same week as dzns Mongers busted?
Hey folks--call me paranoid (I'll admit it), but it seems more than coincidence that Attorney General "shmuck" Gonzales visits Cincinnati's OTR in the SAME week as dozens of mongers are busted in OTR, and their vehicles confiscated. Anyone have direct confirmation that this is a federally funded campaign?
Keep your antennae out for bits and pieces--I think Bush and his neo-cons are trying to get press by busting mongers and SWs--easier than busting dealers...
Post any information you come up with
Giani
NEVER have I seen so many LE in OTR!!!
Holy Mackeral! OTR was absolutely CRAWLING with sheriff's cars today when I made a trip into Findlay Market. Among others, they were parked in the lot just past the church on McM--giving every car that passed a serious eye. Patrols everywhere. The strolls were totally empty except for one possible SW on Elm (even the dudes had deserted many of the corners). I had never seen this SW before, and she, in her cuteness and curly hair, eagerly motioned to me with her finger to come to her. I elected not to stop under the circumstances.
OTR is VERY hot these days. Best to be extremely careful--and better to cruise elsewhere for a while--if you have an elsewhere. Who else has reports to make?
Giani
P.S. Who else has observations? Am I posting too often? I feel awkward about the number of posts I am making compared to others.
NEW LAWS, DECOYS CAN GET IN CARS, and TOUCH !!!!
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[b]Spider11, IS RIGHT VERY RIGHT,
and the Laws have changed here almost a year ago. I posted the change and we speak about it. It is not often done that way, because it does put the DECOY in direct danger, but it can be done. The decoy can even touch you and show you whatever. I is very close to entrapment, but who has the Time and Money to fight it. The ACLU is busy with the Patriot Act. Walnut & Liberty are the favor places because the area can be more easily secured and open, in case something happens.
I you don't see the Fags out, look for the Stings/Decoys. Fags will normally clear the area, when decoys are out, especially in their regular areas.
ARE THERE ANY REGULAR SW/GIRLS WORKING THE AREA, and GETTING INTO CARS. ARE THE SW's STANDING AROUND THE DRUG DEALERS.
USE YOUR "UNCOMMON SENSE."
Giani is also right .... This was a Deal to get the Money for the New "JAIL", and getting that GOV. Money, since SW Ohio delivered the White House to BushChester, via Blackwell. So the Jail is another Reward, before leaving the White House.
GIANI .... I felt the same way, and said so to friends right after the Big Bust in Hamilton a short while back.
NEXT TIME WE SEE DECOY .... TAKE A PICTURE, if you can without being noticed and post it.
LASTLY .... MOST OF THE GIRLS TRAVEL/WALK with some guy. Get to know him, and him you, if you can and build up a little trust. If you see them ask them where you favorite girl is, and if she ain't around, he might suggest a replacement. He will also give you details on some girls and the area situation.
LEARN to talk outside the car, and talk in front of a store front, apartment building, bar, or very close by, instead of the middle of the street of a street corner ... YOU LOOK OBVIOUS!!! That is how I catch up with my favorites.
The Girls do change guys, but NOT as often changing locations, as they are doing NOW.
THERE IS A NEW SHERIFF IN DOWNTOWN, and IT AINT THE C.P.D.
AND, UNCLE SIMON IS LOOKING TO MAKE A POINT, RIGHT or WRONG !!!!
WORD .... !!!!
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[QUOTE=Spider11]In response to Giani:
I'm from Salt Lake, but I happened to come across your post and wanted to respond. I don't think it's done very often, but in Salt Lake every once in a while they will do busts with decoys that actually get into the car. It works this way: the decoy will be walking down the street and there will be a couple of older cars that will slow down and look at her or even stop and talk to her through the window and then drive off. The drivers of these cars appear to be mongers. An unsuspecting monger then stops and picks the decoy up and they drive off. Meanwhile these two older cars are still driving up and down the street. I guess when the right words are said the drivers of these two older cars flip on their hidden red and blue lights and pull the unsuspecting monger over. In addition, there would be marked police cars parked a couple of blocks away that would also drive up and assist in the arrest. The process seemed "labor intensive" so I don't think it's done very often, but I wouldn't assume all is safe just because someone gets into your car. (My first post and I didn't even post it in the Salt Lake section!!)[/QUOTE]
Avoid "Patch"--one-eyed brother who keeps company with muggers...
A friend of mine who does not want to post on the board related this story to me:
He said he had a problem with old one-eye (known on the street as "Patch"). (See a previous post of mine in which I had problems with the same dude.) Walking along the park on Findlay near Vine, "Patch" and his posse were hangin'. "Patch" acts like he knows my friend. My friend decides to grease the wheels, and offers "Patch" a dollar. Within seconds, one of the brothers, slick as a whistle, is into my friends pocket and lifts his wallet! A scuffle ensues, at the end of which a sherrif's car pulls up!
The thief is searched, but no wallet (presumably passed on to another of the posse.) But... he is in possession of a crack pipe. (dumb)
"Patch" tells my friend, in front of the cops "You shouldn't have shown your paper!"
The lucky part of this story is that my friend had taken my advice, and carried only a monger's wallet, with 0.25 and a condom, so it was not a great loss.
What IS the bottom line? Adhere to the monger's wallet advice, do not engage with gangs of dudes on the street, and especially:
LOOK OUT FOR 'PATCH.' He is bad news. I spoke with a trusted SW and she said he is serious bad news--deep into violent crime in OTR...
Did I mention??? Be safe out there!
Giani
Saturation LE in OTR is having its effect...
Wow... A tour through OTR earlier this week turned up ONLY R***** who was not actually working, but she jumped in my car since she knew me...
I mean ziltch. This was during the day, a time I usually cruise and would expect to see 4-6 SWs (mostly NOT keepers, mind you) on the whole circuit. R***** said that LE has been relentless. Tho they are not necessarily picking up girls, but they are hastling them, and telling to get the hell off the streets--not even allowed them to walk, let alone stand.
Makes you wonder how much $ is being spent on suppressing this victimless crime. [Victimless??? Hmmmm... Actually--R was recently severely beaten by Leonard (her 'keeper" = butter provider). Would love to see HIM taken care of... She had a black eye, possible broken rib, difficulty breathing and moving, etc.]
So... Unless you have sharper eyes than I, or go at different times of day, pickings are slim in OTR. I would again ask if boardsters can suggest other areas to cruise?
Maybe, (if LE is closely screening this board), we have to do this by PM? I thank one Senior boardster who has already made PM suggestions to me--you know who you are, thanx my friend...
I notice that Indianapolis is also experiencing LOTS of LE, but Dayton seems quite active on the SW front.
Giani
P.S. LTP: never heard of Red, but I AM interested that she is in N KY... Have you tried her digits yet (I have my bets placed...)
Watch Out For The Sheriff
For the last 6 weeks or more, I've cruised through OTR to see and learn what's happening in the area. Guys it's not good for mongering. The risk are high in getting caught. What I say is based on every time I cruise through ORT and I see a bust going down, cars being towed, and SW's being arrested.
Last Saturday night (Sept 2nd) after midnight, I was driving on Elm St. headed to McMicken when I spotted a Sheriff cruiser parked on Henry St. between Elm and Race. As soon as I got to the light at McMicken and Elm the cruiser came around and pulled over a red truck that was behind me. I was very curious and drove around the block to get a close look. The red truck did something when I drove by the first time. I think he came around from Henry St. and Dunlapp St. The guy in the red truck was out of his truck going through the arrest steps. Poor guy. I wonder if he reads this board?
While this guy getting arrested, around the corner are about a half dozen transsexuals waving to everyone and drawing any attention to themselves. Go figure.
HEY LE how about busting the tyrannies. Get rid of them or pick them up and drop them off at the "Dock" nite club.
Every time I cruise this area I seen SW's and mongers being arrested. One day the Sheriff had two BSW and One WSW standing by a large Red pickup truck (Decoy LE) with their hands cuffed. All three were the ugly ones we all seen in the area. Tow weeks ago I saw another SUV being busted at the corner of Dunlapp and McMicken next to the park fence. I can go on and no but the point I want to make is this area is high risk! And the Sheriffs are all over the place.
STAY AWAY from this area guys. Pickings are next to zero and high chance in getting bagged by LE.
There are a few girls around in other areas that I will be glad to share through PMing but none of them I want to pick up or just to risky because of where they hang out.
Watch out guys for a possible decoy on McMicken and Race St. She tall about 5'-8" 0r 10" with black hair to her shoulders, thin built looks to be in her thirties. I get a bad feeling when I see her and she just standing at a corner and LE drives by her just follows me for a block! I think she was out there in the area when that guy in the red truck got arrested.
Anyone seen this girl? Or any decoys or possible ones? Not much info about LE being shared lately. This brings me to a web site you need to see and learn if your out and about looking of SW and the traps you can avoid.
[url]http://www.johntv.com/[/url]
GIANI, I think some of your rules for mongering need to be revised based on the current scene thats going on at OTR.
Good news I found several new girls away from OTR and they are keepers. Will share with people after I read all the post you had shared on this board and I feel that you're not LE.
BE SAFE
Harpo2U
Sad to say--the $$$$ LE is spending on OTR is having an effect.
[Excellent, if disturbing post, Harpo...] I would be interested to know how much $$$$ LE is spending on busting folks in OTR... Granted, the a**holes who are wannabe gangstas with guns deserve to be removed from the streets--but might there be a more effective use of the $$$$ which is being than hastling non-violent SWs and mongers?
Harpo2u: I THINK that the bases are covered in my mongering 101 rules--except for the obvious one of avoiding areas INTENSELY targeted for stings. I am eager to hear if any boardsters have been caught by the stingers, and what exactly went down. I agree with you and Word--I have seen some VERY stupid moves by novice mongers. Harpo--which of my rules would you alter? I think it IS interesting that trannies are apparently being ignored (Word LOVES this...)
As I mentioned before--even if you KNOW the SW, if the cops know her, and see her in your car, they will pull you over and hastle you and her. In the current circumstance, I think LE may well stretch the law, and bust you even if you just TALK with a decoy. Any info on that?
Finally, as Harpo said, we need to report what we see. Harpo has done an excellent job here.
And hey--what ever happened to the 'old timers?' Pino? Boatman? Broadstreet Guy, D Nut, Thumpbr, Member #2116, Hoehoehoe, etc. Very glad to see new posters--but mongers from year or more ago are very dependable. Any of you guys reading the board these days? Just say "Hi" to us...
Giani
[QUOTE=Harpo2u]...Watch out guys for a possible decoy on McMicken and Race St. She tall about 5'-8" 0r 10" with black hair to her shoulders, thin built looks to be in her thirties. I get a bad feeling when I see her and she just standing at a corner and LE drives by her just follows me for a block! I think she was out there in the area when that guy in the red truck got arrested.
Anyone seen this girl? Or any decoys or possible ones? Not much info about LE being shared lately...
GIANI, I think some of your rules for mongering need to be revised based on the current scene thats going on at OTR.
BE SAFE
Harpo2U[/QUOTE]
Jackson has modified picture posting rules: Professional Escort pix OK
I have never complained about CL pix and the like being posted, only pix which are ripped off the web and posted as if the poster took them. Indeed, Jackson now expressly permits professional pictures of escorts to be posted. I have pasted Jackson's new picture posting rules below.
It STILL is a good idea to specify from where the image originated. Also--does anyone have a problem with mentioning CL? If there IS a problem, then LOTS of folks have committed that error. I am interested to hear of ANY CL activity locally--usually the posts I see are in LA.
[QUOTE=Harpo2u]Thats good you noticed the source of the picture and I wasn't trying to omit the source but to post a picture of a excellent provider I found at the Craigslist without mentioning Craigslist. I never said or intended it was a picture taken by me.
Which by the way there is hardly anything about MP or Craigslist or CallGirls on this board. It's all OTR mostly.
BE COOL at there.
Harpo2u[/QUOTE]
Revised Photo Guidelines
I have revised the forum's photo posting guidelines to reflect the difficulties of policing the limitations on professional photographs and photos alledgely lifted from other websites. The revised policy is as follows:
1. Professional photos of escorts copied from escort websites will now be acceptable for posting in The Forum.
2. Except for escort photos, professional photos and photos copied from other websites are not permitted. However, suspect photos will not be investigated unless I am contacted by the original photographer or the webmaster directly.
If you suspect that another forum member is posting professional photos or photos copied from other websites, you are encouraged to challenge them in The Forum.
3. Given that The Forum has a perfectly functioning photo upload system, links to photos on other websites, including links to personal photo albums or escort websites, are not permitted. If you want to share your photos then please post them here.
Jasmine aka Kristy, picture posting, CL
That's funny that "Jasmine" has been around, I think she is now going by Kristy. Although she admitted to me that she was a dancer, she made it sound like her recent activities were a new thing for her. In any case, I saw her at her place twice in past few weeks, but I think she has now left the state. She is alot of fun, so it's a shame she is gone already. Definitely one of the better experiences I have had in this city. BTW- she was telling me that someone was giving her a hard time, calling her a BBW and a ripoff and stuff. I don't know if that person is on this board, but if you are you're are a moron.
Regarding posting pictures that weren't taken by the poster, I think it's fine as long as the source is stated along with it.
Regarding CL- with the exception of Jasmine/Kristy, it's been a bust for me. Alot of spam, alot of NKY Brittany posts, and alot of spam. I don't think it will ever produce like the chat lines.
I second Word's motion...
"Lord Helmet" posted in excess of 147 pix from a video he took. Took up several pages of the photo gallery! Too much of a mediocre thing. He thought we would want to D/L all the pix and flick through them for a video effect... Too much work, too little return. In case you don't regularly look at the Photo Gallery, here is the link to one of his many posts:
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=463990&postcount=327[/url]
I am especially glad that I didn't [post just before his tsunami of images--those posts are pretty much lost in history.
Moderation is often a good guide post...
Giani
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WHY IS JACKSON ALLOWING PEOPLE TO POST PIX IN SLIDESHOW STYLE.
That is a waste of good space and once seen, who needs to see the very next second, just like the first second. Look at the Detroit pix post. And the pix are not of great quality to begin with
Who is the Moderator there .... ????
I hope folks don't do that here.
WORD .... !!!!
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Cameras going up in Price Hill
WEST PRICE HILL- A network of about 30 surveillance cameras will be placed along Glenway Avenue on Cincinnati's West Side.
The cameras are part of a new program designed to improve the safety and quality of life along the Glenway Avenue corridor.
The Western Corridor Safe City Project is a partnership of law enforcement, businesses, schools and community groups.
The cameras will be placed along a 6.5-mile portion of Glenway Avenue from the intersection of Glenway, Warsaw and Quebec avenues to the Western Hills Shopping Center.
[url]http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20060914/NEWS01/309140030/[/url]
Cincinnati is camera happy!! It's getting hard to find a SW in this city and this won't help. It looks like the special vortex unit in Over the Rhine to combat crime will become a permanent unit.