Reading is Fundamental and Homework as Well
[QUOTE=BerryMcCockinr;5644753]Why tf did you even bother to post this word salad that says absolutely nothing? You said she is in the high risk category with no specifics and then told him TOFTT??[/QUOTE]Clearly you you understand the next to the last paragraph and the recent reports of being banged up are aligned with my statements.
You Really Are a Clueless Douchbag and a Homo
[QUOTE=Jthinas;5690424]You posted a picture of a girl.
I pointed out that she had sores all around her mouth and I recommended you stay away from her. And you respond back by Calling me a Homo? Tell me I should stop being a hater and give useful information. Sorry but I thought I was being helpful by my recommendation. [b]I'll be sure not to give my opinion on your comments again.[/b] Have a great day sir.[/QUOTE]Look back through your posts Dope! You appear to go out of your way to comment, in a negative or unhelpful way in A LOT of your posts! You do it to me frequently and I see you took on ThePhoenix recently too. Dudes are PM-ing me about your douche posts. But the frequency of you attacks on me clearly demonstrates you have a hard-on for me and only a homo has a hard-on for another guy! So the label is well earned on your part! So perhaps the line bolded above is the be smartest thing you have said of recent, though I doubt you can resist not adding cheap shots! Try CONTRIBUTING positive reports on the girls you have dated, with details, to help others. Try encouraging others as they sojourn the hobby of mongering.
Yeah, I posted a picture of a girl. The post I made was a request for info. Does anyone know the girl in the picture? THAT doesn't require, nor call, for a comment on the girl at all! You failed to provide the requested information. DO YOU KNOW WHO THE GIRL IS?
Third, you need your eyes checked. That is acne on the girls face not "sores"! The fact that you don't know the difference is astounding!. Don't think that anyone is going to "catch something" from the ace on her face. Perhaps she's a drug addict and picks and exacerbates the acne?
So yeah, when a dude asks who a girl is, missing the point of acne and pointing that out is NOT being helpful. You can obfuscate as much as you want, you messed up, admit it or keep being the homosexual with a hard-on for another dude.
Perhaps you can learn and be educated? Some have so much "hate" in their hearts that it is pointless to even try to help them.
Let's see who else I can add to the hard-on / hater group!
Use Spidey Senses or Not?
[QUOTE=JRichard;5748860]I did ask, the question left my lips before the door the even closed.
Her response was "he is a friend and harmless".
So that is the answer, period, plain and simple.
Does one believe her? Or does one follow you own recommendations here time after time, and scolding's about following "The Rules".
Just wondering?[/QUOTE]I'm a bit surprised at this reply given all of your background sleuthing skills, which are considerable and enviable. Once one has the girl face-to-face, it's high time to ask as many questions as needed to feel comfortable with the situation or book out of there. Ask enough questions to understand what is the situation, such that one doesn't walk away with "concerns" or the need to speculate. Seems like a perfect time to put those sleuthing skills in action when talking to or dating the girl? Apparently one didn't ask enough questions to trust her veracity?
Point is I ASKED her when I dated her early on. Asked more than one question, probed her reasons and thinking. Over several dates, evaluated her character. For me, my evaluation was that while not ideal, she was exercising caution, due diligence and safety measures. My estimation of her left me comfortable with her even though I generally don't like the situation.
But since I have talked to a large number of girls in the hobby, I am keenly aware that there are MANY numbnuts out there that are disrespectful, rude, violent or dangerous. I don't begrudge any woman taking precautions against those types! Perhaps the wide dissemination of the 'word" that she has security around will ward off those dangerous guys?
But I did my "due diligence" before I came to any conclusions. I satisfied myself of her and her situation. I dated her way back in the beginning when her 'security' wasn't around or wasn't particularly obvious. But from what she told me, in my estimation, there is a need for her to have security. The fact that she has obvious security these days, suggests she's encountered many more douchebags and thus the increased security presence.
Look rules are there to be followed and be protective when one is ignorant or unaware. While, one will never know everything and should always be learning about the hobby, one should develop some level of comfort with their Spidey Senses. Oh sure Spidey Senses get honed and sharpened with time and experience. Those that don't have the time and experience will have a lower tolerance on their Spidey Senses trigger, and yeah, those dudes are right to trust the Senses and walk away. Problem is when one ignores the senses by thinking with the little head.
Everyone is free to make their own evaluation of a situation. Some will do that based on speculation, fear or ignorance. Others will trust their Spidey Sense or inquire at length or other means. Nothing wrong with being overly cautious if that is one's MO. But trust has to be in the equation somewhere and if one doubts a girl's veracity, then one could avoid her.
Don't recall anyone reporting that they got ripped off by Mama G or had a bad encounter with the dudes she has around for security purposes? That could be the bottom line?
Everybody has to make their own evaluation
[QUOTE=PPJones;5749102]So, if I may ask, having already seen her, but knowing now that there is security would you go again??[/QUOTE]Given what I know, the security would not bother me in this situation. YMMV.
Mongering is EASY! Don't let anyone tell you different!
So I was out Monday night on the stroll.
Seen a Hispanic chick with an ass as wide as the state of DE, thick thighs, some kind b&W patterned tights, on top part of Lanc. I didn't stop in the middle of the street and call her over, because I had just passed LE. So I gave her the look and turned on the next street where I could see her and waved her off when I could see her attributes were too abundant.
Then I seen Bella-Jamie at the 711 at Greenhill, but a dude was sitting in a p / you truck facing LA and she seemed to be wandering back & forth within 10-yards of the truck. Given we are in a "improve the quality of life" phase she was a Definite pass. Oh, not to mention the fact that one needs to watch her closely as, did they scoop the accommodating Bella or the play games & try a rip-off Bella? Passed on her several times in the last few months.
On another topic: I noted in several passes on Lanc that there were often several cars, trucks, SUVs parked facing the street with dudes sitting and watching. Hmmm.
Slid over to MDA and seen a girl sitting outside the Horizon House. I did a loop around WG and stopped in the front facing that girl to see if she'd wander over. Nope, she never moved. THEN all of a sudden there is Jody C standing next to driver's window motioning for me to roll the window down. I waved her off since she is a definite "no fly" list girl.
Then I seen another girl coming down the hill off MDA, but was a bit concerned as too much wealth in one spot all of a sudden. So I took a lap around the block and came up the other side of the p-lot. She wandered in front of me so I could see who it was, but didn't recognize her, so took a pass and wandered on.
Seen nothing in The Box but 3 LE parked up in a lot they usually hang out in. Later seen one sitting on Tatnall and a 5th one roaming the area. So got out of there.
Hit the Lanc stroll again and saw a girl coming down LA, pulled in the lot next to the clinic where the bar was and waited for her to walk in front of me so I could get a look at her. Cute enough girl. So scooped her up. She told me her name was Krystal! WTF! Dated her before and since then have heard terrible stories from at least 3 different girls. So tossed her the $5 'no thanks' money and wandered on.
Right after that seen another girl and scooped her! Turns out it was Sheyanne! OMFG, one of the Holy Grails! She remembered me and we had a great date!
All in all from starting off to the stroll, making stroll loops, trying various areas I had over 3-hours into things before finding the Holy Grail. WTF- This fucking mongering TAKES TIME!
I mean I guess I coulda done it in 15-minutes if I wanted "first available" and tapped a fat Hispanic chick. Could have scoped a girl in front of potential LE or nefarious dudes. Have heard from a few that that girl has been working with LE. But in all fairness, have not gotten the requisite confirmations to satisfy me of the veracity. Also guess I coulda scooped and put my life at risk with a 'no fly' girl. But thankfully, info here and recon from the street saved me from that. But if I was unaware, I coulda made a few more laps in The Box trying for girls that were probably around and in doing so attracted the attention of LE. Nice to know where to look or how to look on a recon pass. Also didn't have to C&are the girl, coulda gotten a "meh" date, experienced drama or had things missing later. But, no! I mean, I prolly should have scooped the first thing seen and trusted the girl would 'do her job' because she is, after all, a professional.
But reflecting on how "easy" it was to scoop a Holy Grail, reminds me that 'easy' comes from time, experience, hard work and learning.
Baiting. Transparency - And. . .
. . Well race may factor in as well, let's be honest.
Several years ago I engaged with TLL (shortened screen name) and we engaged in a conversation.
He provided a UTR contact. She Had and still Has NO social media presence that neither of us know about.
I establish a connection and she drifts away for several reasons for both of us, personal reasons as well as preferences.
Fast Forward. We Both loose contact with her for a various number of reasons, example: preferences, options and the (go to) COVID.
I hunt her down, and she is keeping / maintaining a UTR profile.
I share the details with TLL. Why? He was the lead. He provided the Details that made me "Happy" on many occasions. Not to mention she was inexpensive.
We share and openly discuss details.
TLL has also provided other details on others needing Assistance to me.
He has provided More to me than Me to Him. With that said, I owe him. THANK YOU!
The point is there is give and take. He gave, I gave, I have a smile with his info. Did he use mine? I don't know. I feel I have more take-aways and owe him.
The point is.
Use the board Share. Share Openly. Reciprocate - Give and Receive.
Too many are Takers and do not have Transparency.
The Negative Comments impact everyone.
Well, It's Friday and the "T" has already slurred my speech.
What's Your Mongering Budget?
So how much do youse guys spend on Mongering each month? [I]There is no right answer, everyone comes to the hobby from a different place! Just curious what others do.[/I].
Are you an opportunistic monger, toss $40 to a SW way on occasion when the pressure builds up and you have the funds in your pocket?
Are you a dude who generally plans on an AMP visit or two each month?
Do you wait for a bonus check and then use that to go hit a few escorts?
Or are you a careful planner and budgeter that sets aside funds each month for the hobby?
So how much each month? $80? $200? $360? $500? Anyone spending $1,000, $2,000 or more on SBs?
Just curious.
Some Thoughts on APPROACH and FRUSTRATIONS in the Hobby
So some convos with other mongers reminds me of a few things that could be important to others. I guess I have evolved a bit in these areas so I'll share the thoughts and perhaps others can contribute their experiences?
First is [b]how one approaches a girl on a "cold call" from a post or advert?[/b] I know most think they have a good approach and of course I am no exception! But I have learned that if I am getting ghosted too many times or having convos fall apart it is time to look at my approach and make adjustments. I know at one point I sent some opening salvos to a trusted monger for comment and got back some helpful suggestions. Didn't take all of them and modified several as some stuff wasn't me. But thinking I had things perfect or good enough was a fallacy. One can always improve! Things change in the hobby and one can adapt to those changes. A good approach and style is important.
First general advice is [b]look at your opening message to advertisers. How are you selling yourself?[/b] How are you distinguishing yourself from the masturbaters, picture collectors, chit-chat time wasters and general idiots? Are you to the point about wanting to meet? Do you state when? Where? Do you ask a question that elicits a reply or response? I mean don't write a novel, but certainly need more than a phrase like "yo!" "hey" "what's up?" or something like that that is easily ignored when a girl is flipping through 100's of replies.
The second part of general advice relates to FRUSTRATION! Yeah, this hobby has plenty of it! I mean I remember when a girl would do dumb stuff, like "hooker time" stuff and I'd go off on them, tell them off, make snide comments, etc. Then I realized somewhere along the line that all I was doing was raising my own blood pressure. No point into getting into a flame ware with a hooker! So some where along the line I got some perspective on things and cut the frustration in half. I know this is hard to do and it isn't something that happens overnight. But [b]keeping the dialogue positive and flowing, certainly has a better chance of success and ending the frustration![/b]
So take a look at one's approach and perhaps even share your approach with another or in the threads. Also look at how one handles frustrations. Might just get some pointers that help improve approach, results and reduce frustration!
I'm always learning something new in the hobby and am sure youse all can too!
Good luck!
Star, Redz, Dianna and The Eco Chamber. Being prepared.
[I]So I started a firestorm, apparently, by my post on a successful date with Star=Redz=Dianna and I think it is an interesting example of an Echo Chamber?[/I]
Yes, recently I had a nice & successful date with Star. There was no danger and did not get ripped off. However, I respect those who had bad experiences and reported on them.
But I see this discussion has migrated over to other threads too. There seems to be a heightened awareness of bad past behavior. From what I have seen only one dude reported that he actually had a bad experience with this girl, the rest were just "I heard. "
While warnings are good and we should heed them when posted it is interesting that so many jumped in to report what they heard as opposed to what they experienced. Quite the echo chamber on this one apparently? [I](I'll also add that some people change or some circumstances change that negate the prior circumstances)[/I].
So that got me thinking. [I] (yeah, I know, dangerous!}[/I].
Now this is no defense of Star, nor a dig at the dude who kindly reported his actual bad experience (thanks!) But when a "rip-off" happens there are two people involved and perhaps one could have avoided it? [B] Most of the time the key element of a rip-off situation is violating the rule of NO MONEY UPFRONT.[/B]
I found that when I gave up money FIRST, I gave up control of the situation. I mean if someone handed you a bunch of money and you seen the chance to walk away with it, and not have to do anything, wouldn't you do it? So giving money up front plants the seed for a cash & dash situation. Girls in desperate situations are more likely to go this direction.
I'll also say that a bad date, poor performance or girl not meeting the expectations one has for a date is NOT a rip-off. Oh sure with money being tight these days and having a bad date sure can feel like a rip-off! And yeah, poor performance needs to be reported.
I guess you could have a situation where a dude busts into a room and orders you to leave by gun point. But that's pretty extreme. But if one has used the safety chain, then that can stall that attempt. Plus, if you gave no money up front then one could leave or toss the wad of fake bills in one direction and head the other direction.
Point is that as another poster points out - [B]We don't plan to fail, we just fail to plan.[/B] So if one thinks mongering is easy they are likely to fail to use techniques to avoid a rip-off.
So yeah, I knew about the bad reports about Star when I dated her recently. I had dated her years back when she was in Edgemor. So in approaching her for a date this time [b]I made sure that I had control of the situation[/b] and was prepared to bail if needed to stay safe. PLUS, there were substantial elements of her current situation that made past issues mute. One element was that she was advertising car dates. So I took her up on her offer. As the rules state I did not park in "her spot" rather found and used a spot of my own. So in the end I had a good date with Star!
[I][color=grey]FOOTNOTE: She wasn't very busy when I contacted her, but since my post, I haven't been able to get a date with her because too many dudes willing to overpay are showing up and she's going with the bigger money first, as would be expected! Good for her! Bad for the dudes' wallets! [/color][/I]
Does that mean every dude will have a good date with her? Does that mean guys can let their guard down?
Oh sure, in general, IF I see a negative review of a girl on the threads I tend to avoid her. After all, who needs a headache? But a negative report on a girl I have seen? That I take heed of and sharpen my approach such that I am not a victim. I can control the situation or let circumstances control me and my money.
But if one uses these threads as their only source of DD or fails to follow "the rules" then they are likely for fall into the "fail to plan" category. It's not hard, it just takes time.
Good luck & be safe!
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I see in the replies to posts that my good buddy XYZ post a question about Star and carried that to another thread. Has he gone and seen any providers and posted an actual review of recent? Or is he still around with just his hand out? [/color][/i][/size]
Why You Can't Find SW in Wilmington
Are you a working stiff, you know a guy who works for a paycheck? If so just FUHGEDDABOUDIT as far as scooping SWs! We're just chump change in the scheme of things! Pony up or be left out! Sheesh!
What is going on is that:
A) girls have phones and if you don't ask for her digits or you freaking steal her phone, youse will never see her again. Most are working off of phones and staying off the streets.
And.
B) THEN there are a bunch of Motherfucker, douchebag BabyBoomer assholes out there that are lonely and paying ESCORT prices to these girls. I mean why does a girl wanna suck yer dick for just $20 when some cocksucking Boomer is paying them $250? Then you want a bargain and offer them $15? No doubt they will laugh in yer face. So just fuhgeddaboudit for the SW theses days. NO FUCKING WAY I'm paying more than traditional rates, so as soon as these fucking Boomer assholes die off the prices will come back down.
Have had [I][u]several[/u][/I] girls tell me that there are dudes driving around picking up girls and WAY overpaying. One of them is some old fart that owns his own business, is lonely so he doesn't care what he spends. I mean they prolly negotiate like heck and chisel the price down on material they buy, but when it comes to pussy?
So this one dude has them ride around in the truck as he conducts business and eventually takes them to a hotel and fucks them. One girl gets $250 from one of these dudes and another said she asked for and got $300.
A third told me she and a friend went to a "party" at the shore and played with themself and split $1500 for the weekend. She was vague on if she was screwing them, but unless these geriatric dudes (80+) have a stockpile of Viagra didn't sound like the girls had much to worry about. I mean I guess these motherfuckers have more money than brains, overpaying like that.
Who in their right mind pays $250+ for what can be had for less than a fifth of that? Maybe these limp-dicked Boomers can only get it up once a month and blow their wad in one shot, both monetarily and physically?
But think about it? Girls are usually out to make $60-$100 each time they hit the stroll. If MFBB pays them $250 how many days, or blowjobs, can they skip? Then these girls are PROs at manipulation and likely entice these MFs to come get them again once the funds run out. And how many of these jerks are out there? IF girl has 2-3 of these faggot boomers,they never need to hit the street. I mean shit, 3 of the last 3 girls I have dated told me similar stories and that is just the tip of the iceberg.
So us hardworking stiffs can't get our dick sucked because Bossman is running around blowing the money we're earning him, on pussy and companionship.
You want Streetmeat? [b] FUHGEDDABOUDIT[/b] Hope these assholes transition soon!
