Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

I don't know if providers post their own reports or not. I was just observing that the sound of the ad and the inclussion of some of the very same words I. E silky smooth skin were very alike is all. I do know that there have been hobbyist that have suggested that providers have posted reports. You guys are the experts I am not, Hell I got a lot of great information from the recently posted guide. BTW thank you to those that put that up. It is a big help.

As told I have read all thread here and Carso1245's report is the only one I remember where hobbyist used silky smooth skin in their report and it is also on the e dot com ad. If I missed a hobbyist report where they were happy the that the provider had silky smooth skin then I screwed up sorry but I really don't remember any.

I didn't mean to pick on any one I was just making the observation is all. Aren't we supposed to do that? If not please let me know.

Always Lurking

"I didn't mean to pick on any one I was just making the observation is all. Aren't we supposed to do that? If not please let me know."

Observations are fine. Accusations are not. The question is where is the line between the two located?

I would say that in this case, most would take the observation as either an accusation or insinuation that in this particular case with this particular provider that you feel this was a false post, based upon a single phrase. And while it is understandable to question that in a totally unknown provider who pops up one day, and the next has reviews from unknown posters who have only this one review and write in a similar fashion, it is a little closer to throwing down the gauntlet when discussing a provider who has been vouched, verified and praised with exhuberance as one of the best in the area by a number of people on this board.

I guess what I am trying to say is that you need to make sure you understand the context in which you are placing your questions or observations, as we are not posting in a vacuum. In looking at the whole picture, and the provider's reputation, this question about Dawn was, in my opinion, out of line. I don't believe that your intent was to damage her reputation or her business, but an accusation of self-posting has the potential to do exactly that. That is one reason you saw the outpouring of support for Dawn. To immediately refute the accusation. The other is simply that she is an amazing person who touches everyone who meets her and causes people to care about her and support her, just as she will vehemently support her friends here.

Don't let this throw you, or make you want to leave, or withdraw from conversations. It was a mistake. We all have made them, and continue to make them. Just continue to read the boards and follow the discussions. Read back a little into the history for the last few months. It will help to give you an idea of who is who, who has similar tastes, who is well trusted and the like.

Happy hobbying and best of luck.

[QUOTE=Shadow Lurker; 1132428]I don't know if providers post their own reports or not. I was just observing that the sound of the ad and the inclussion of some of the very same words I. E silky smooth skin were very alike is all. I do know that there have been hobbyist that have suggested that providers have posted reports. You guys are the experts I am not, Hell I got a lot of great information from the recently posted guide. BTW thank you to those that put that up. It is a big help.

As told I have read all thread here and Carso1245's report is the only one I remember where hobbyist used silky smooth skin in their report and it is also on the e dot com ad. If I missed a hobbyist report where they were happy the that the provider had silky smooth skin then I screwed up sorry but I really don't remember any.

I didn't mean to pick on any one I was just making the observation is all. Aren't we supposed to do that? If not please let me know.

Always Lurking[/QUOTE]Just because a guy is no more creative than to pull words from a providers profile is not an indication that the provider wrote the review. It's more subtle terminology, use of words, word order and punctuation (or lack thereof) that would reveal the same person's writing. If you read reviews from other sites (that include more graphic detail) you will find that guys typically use the providers words when the words to describe activities or appearance when they are actually close to reality.

Dawn would be last one that I would expect to do this. She has excellent reviews on many other sites and would have no reason to fabricate anything. The ladies that engage in such activities generally have a history of bad performance that would need to be covered-up or refuted so as to get more business. A little research on your part would have revealed that Dawn is solid and you would have avoided the controversy. Accusations or inference are okay as long as you do your homework. Just don't jump to conclusions without the facts. The ladies depend on accurate information and comments that would question a provider's reputation without basis will cause drama and controversy. Google search is your friend.

[QUOTE=Shadow Lurker; 1132428]I don't know if providers post their own reports or not. I was just observing that the sound of the ad and the inclussion of some of the very same words I. E silky smooth skin were very alike is all. I do know that there have been hobbyist that have suggested that providers have posted reports. You guys are the experts I am not, Hell I got a lot of great information from the recently posted guide. BTW thank you to those that put that up. It is a big help.

As told I have read all thread here and Carso1245's report is the only one I remember where hobbyist used silky smooth skin in their report and it is also on the e dot com ad. If I missed a hobbyist report where they were happy the that the provider had silky smooth skin then I screwed up sorry but I really don't remember any.

I didn't mean to pick on any one I was just making the observation is all. Aren't we supposed to do that? If not please let me know.

Always Lurking[/QUOTE]My biggest problem with your post is that it has a patently false statement in it. You claim that the same phrase exists in both places and it does not. The review here clearly states that she has "silky smooth skin" while the escorts ad clearly states she has "silky flawless skin". I honestly do not know what your intentions were or are, but I hesitate to think that your error was one of naivety.

No offense to anyone one else but Jay Mal, your explanation makes the most sense to me. If indeed Carso1245 used the providers own words (Or something very close) then it makes sense to me that it would appear to be the same person. This would be a reason that it appeared that either Carso wrote the ad and the report or the provider wrote the ad and the report. If he copied her words it would seem to be the same person.

It does make sense but when it comes right down to it know one will know for sure but the provider unless someone here actually meets Caso1245 in person and gets it straight from him right?

Always Lurking

[QUOTE=Shadow Lurker; 1132718]No offense to anyone one else but Jay Mal, your explanation makes the most sense to me. If indeed Carso1245 used the providers own words (Or something very close) then it makes sense to me that it would appear to be the same person. This would be a reason that it appeared that either Carso wrote the ad and the report or the provider wrote the ad and the report. If he copied her words it would seem to be the same person.

It does make sense but when it comes right down to it know one will know for sure but the provider unless someone here actually meets Caso1245 in person and gets it straight from him right?

Always Lurking[/QUOTE]It is obvious that through your never ending posts that you indeed have some agenda with intent to in some way harm or cause pain to Dawn. You have changed your semantics, twisted quotes, and abused others' posts. You like to compare words and phrases, well I can do the same. You state that "Know one will know.". I have seen more than one time on this forum that a certain senior member consistently uses the improper "Know one" when in fact he means " No one". I am therefore calling you out as I am confident that I know who you are and further I also am confident that I understand your intentions. You are much less a man than I could ever imagine. I would think that having been found out that you would like to cast aspersions as to my veracity, please try and find some insignificant "factoid" that you believe will accomplish your desire, I care not. I am not only a member of this forum but also several others. I have more vouches and references than you will ever have. I do so believe that you are a cretin with malicious intentions toward Dawn. You have seven posts in total with four of those being derogatory and accusatory toward Dawn (or Carso who you claim to be Dawn's alter ego) , that is more than half or approximately 57. Obviously you have some tenacity with this non-issue, but now you want to meet a provider's client so that you can determine whether or not he actually penned the "review" in question, to which no one (or know one as you like to write) would ever agree. I do believe that your best course of action is to crawl back under the rock from whence you came. I will not end this post with any disclaimer that represents any of this as opinion as I solemnly believe that what I have written is purely and totally factual.

Why is it so hard for new people to get help here? I made some observations and gave my opinion on information post here. Now I am accused of living under a rock. I don't understand. Maybe it is better to not say anything at all.

I thought this was a forum to talk about all of the information posted not just what some people want to talk about. I guess I need to remain a lurker because when I do ask questions I get slammed. Maybe I just don't ask the right questions. Eithere way it is just not worth the trouble.

Shadow Lurker

[QUOTE=Shadow Lurker;1133067]Why is it so hard for new people to get help here? I made some observations and gave my opinion on information post here. (edit delete) I don't understand. (edit delete) (W)hen I do ask questions I get slammed. (edit delete) Shadow Lurker[/QUOTE]Shadow Lurker, you are a self-professed newbie. You acknowledge you don't know anything and came here to learn. But five of your eight posts point out occasions of multiple identities where the only evidence you cite is a similar writing style as you observe it. That is a serious allegation to make of another poster based on the opinion of a newbie. You questioned a review of a lady who stayed the night and called the review BS. Being new you would have no idea whether the events stated in the review are probable or not. In this post you express frustration you have not been well received.

Ya think?

Okay, Shadow Lurker, welcome to the board. We're glad to have you.

Please let me suggest you stop telling us what you think. Since you don't know anything what you think is probably wrong. Keep it to yourself.

It is also best to stop asking questions. Recognize that a certain level of knowledge is necessary to ask a proper question, and you're not there yet. Recognize that a question also says something about the person asking the question. One of your questions indicates you don't realize that women have feelings. Your questions aren't working for you.

Logically, if you shouldn't say what you think and shouldn't ask questions that pretty well means it would be a good idea to stop posting. So stop posting.

We learn by reading. Read, read and read. However much you have read thus far isn't enough. Consider the reading you've done so far is only 1% of what needs to be read. I suggest you up your reading by a 100-fold and look back on your eight posts. Things will appear a lot different. When that day comes you are ready to see some girls without getting yourself hurt in the process. Come back to the board and tell us all about them. At that point you will be off to the races. And you will have a good time here. It will be worth it.

You're welcome.

Congratulations on your 8 posts. At this pace, you might reach senior status by next week without an ounce of contribution. *thumbs up*.

Shadow,

I told you these waters were cold, deep and murky. I firmly believe that new members deserve to be helped. But I also agree that you need to read, learn and contribute before trying to swim.

If you continue to pose questions and give opinions without making valid contributions you are going to continue to not be taken seriously.

As I have said many times before, read everything, see a well known provider and report back. Even though she may have been reported on 100 times it will show you are legit and making a contribution, then you can start to make observations and state your opinions to a more receptive audience.

These water can get slimey at times. So avoid the slime and make a contribution.

KG

[QUOTE=Shadow Lurker; 1132718]No offense to anyone one else but Jay Mal, your explanation makes the most sense to me. If indeed Carso1245 used the providers own words (Or something very close) then it makes sense to me that it would appear to be the same person. This would be a reason that it appeared that either Carso wrote the ad and the report or the provider wrote the ad and the report. If he copied her words it would seem to be the same person.

It does make sense but when it comes right down to it know one will know for sure but the provider unless someone here actually meets Caso1245 in person and gets it straight from him right?

Always Lurking[/QUOTE]It appears to me that you're trying to start trouble here. There's a name for this type of activity. Unless you've met the ladies and guys for which you're questioning, I would say that you're trolling. I know Dawn very well, have been BCD with Sophie. Additionally, WM, GC, Walt, KG all know these ladies very well. Many of us share a lot of information off-line and have a solid level of trust that, at this rate, you'll never know. So troll some more. Eventually you'll be banned and on most other boards, would have happened already.

What is this? Every time I've ever clinked on a link to a TS ad, (just morbid curiosity) , they have upwards of an 8 1/2" surprise waiting? Makes me think that whatever their doing to increase wang length must work!

I'm am really feeling kind of puny here.

Just a thought.

Ez

Ezenuf,

It is probably in all how you measure it. When you measure a cat's tail, you measure from the asshole to the tip. Maybe, that is how you should measure your cock and then report it that way. . That is probably what I should do when asked for my stats.

Roger.

[QUOTE=Ezenuf; 1138611]What is this? Every time I've ever clinked on a link to a TS ad, (just morbid curiosity) , they have upwards of an 8 1/2" surprise waiting? Makes me think that whatever their doing to increase wang length must work!

I'm am really feeling kind of puny here.

Just a thought.

Ez[/QUOTE]

The other day I read a post on here from a hobbyist who described himself as "almost 70."

At 43, I am a few years behind this hobbyist but still a long way from my early 20s---prime scoring time for the "civilian" male population (especially if you like young, hot chicks).

One nice thing about being a hobbyist is that you're never really too old. On the other hand, the "civilian" male over 35 who regularly beds attractive young women is extremely rare. (I am of course excluding George Clooney, ex-pro atheletes, etc.) If you are over 40 and a hot young thing is hitting on you, she probably wants something.

I'm not sure if you've ever thought about how much a pain in the a$$ this would all be without the hobby. From time-to-time I think it is good to reflect on how much better the hobby world is versus the civilian world for the "average" guy.

Is this just a hobby or a lifestyle? A fellow member made a post that this is just a hobby and should be treated as such. I pm'd him and said it is more of a lifestyle than a hobby for me. He was very condescending toward me after that. Its one of those members who think they know it all. What I been reading in the backpage section leads me to believe others might feel the same as me. I would like to hear other opinions please.