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[QUOTE=Nyhornet;2440620]I see that Blue Sky is advertising again, so apparently have reopened. I have no idea if the charges were dropped or what? Too soon for me to try again though.[/QUOTE]I saw the CL ads as well, a bit disconcerting given the statement that the police investigation is ongoing with more charges pending, short time lapse, same name and phone number.
[URL]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/japan-ruling-paying-for-sex-not-adultery-strictly-business/[/URL]
Partaking in the hobby is not adultery since it's strictly a business transaction. Of course, to get the full benefit of the court's ruling you'll need to move to Japan. Now if only the USA would catch up to the rest of the world and leave consensual adult behavior alone!
Someone posted this in the DC section. Not sure how many of you peek over there. LEO is making it more difficult for hoes to put their ads on Backpage.
[URL]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/07/01/visa-mastercard-stop-business-with-backpage/29558315/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Guitarman1;2545916]Someone posted this in the DC section. Not sure how many of you peek over there. LEO is making it more difficult for hoes to put their ads on Backpage.
[URL]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/07/01/visa-mastercard-stop-business-with-backpage/29558315/[/URL][/QUOTE]This latest attempt to disrupt the oldest profession was bound to generate a response from either BP, the providers, or both.
Apparently BP struck first:
[URL]http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/07/backpagecom-stops-fees-for-adult-ads[/URL]
If and when BP decides to reinstate fees, I'm guessing they'll work out a method that's more censorship-resistant. So this is merely the latest iteration of whack-a-mole played by puritans who refuse to recognize what most of the world has already come to terms with. And that is the simple fact that consensual adult behavior will always find a way to work itself out. Better in the long run to legalize or decriminalize and join the rest of the civilized world!
Smart reaction-response by Backpage. They deserve a pat on the back for caring about some of the finest services needed by humanity! . . And protecting our valued experienced professional and amateur caretakers that need to make an honest living. Agree it should be legalized and decriminalized since it is the opposite of a "victim" type of crime.
Thank you Backpage.
Happy Guy 2.
[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2546119]This latest attempt to disrupt the oldest profession was bound to generate a response from either BP, the providers, or both.
Apparently BP struck first:
[URL]http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/07/backpagecom-stops-fees-for-adult-ads[/URL]
If and when BP decides to reinstate fees, I'm guessing they'll work out a method that's more censorship-resistant. So this is merely the latest iteration of whack-a-mole played by puritans who refuse to recognize what most of the world has already come to terms with. And that is the simple fact that consensual adult behavior will always find a way to work itself out. Better in the long run to legalize or decriminalize and join the rest of the civilized world![/QUOTE]
I came across this article on one of Loudoun's local online news sites. Apparently, a newly minted Loudoun County deputy was busted via a prostitution sting originating from CL. Not sure the details on the sting but anyway be careful out there if you troll CL.
[URL]http://www.loudountimes.com/news/article/leesburg_deputy_arrested_for_soliciting_prostitution898[/URL]
[URL]http://cnnphilippines.com/world/2015/08/12/Amnesty-International-votes-in-support-of-decriminalizing-sex-trade.html[/URL]
One more voice drawing a clear distinction between consensual adult conduct and non-consensual trafficking. Probably won't have any short-term effect but one can hope that the tide will eventually start to turn in the USA.
[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2577059][URL]http://cnnphilippines.com/world/2015/08/12/Amnesty-International-votes-in-support-of-decriminalizing-sex-trade.html[/URL]
One more voice drawing a clear distinction between consensual adult conduct and non-consensual trafficking. Probably won't have any short-term effect but one can hope that the tide will eventually start to turn in the USA.[/QUOTE]WaPo Editorial board opposed Amnesty International, saying legalization has hurt more than helped in countries that have tried it. I don't know the evidence, but I suspect there are other explanations.
Interesting letters to the editor today: [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-case-for-legal-prostitution/2015/08/18/6c1fbafe-444e-11e5-9f53-d1e3ddfd0cda_story.html[/URL].
Did anyone see this report on one of the local TV stations?
[URL]http://wjla.com/news/local/nationwide-fbi-child-sex-trafficking-sting-saves-149-children-more-than-150-arrests-made[/URL]
[QUOTE=TomMcAn;2649217]Did anyone see this report on one of the local TV stations?
[URL]http://wjla.com/news/local/nationwide-fbi-child-sex-trafficking-sting-saves-149-children-more-than-150-arrests-made[/URL][/QUOTE]I saw it on a different news site. I'm happy it happened. If there are underage children being trafficked something needs to happen. The youngest was 12 years old. Messed up!
[QUOTE=AznVrep;2649526]I saw it on a different news site. I'm happy it happened. If there are underage children being trafficked something needs to happen. The youngest was 12 years old. Messed up![/QUOTE]I'd like to believe that this was the case but from the video the fbi released it looks like all they did was print out all the ads on Oct. 5 and 6 and tried to bust as many girls doing an out call as they could. Obviously they found some kids but they likely swept up everybody they croased paths with, minor or otherwise.
[QUOTE=TomMcAn;2649217]Did anyone see this report on one of the local TV stations?
[URL]http://wjla.com/news/local/nationwide-fbi-child-sex-trafficking-sting-saves-149-children-more-than-150-arrests-made[/URL][/QUOTE]When they say they arrested more than 150 pimps and others, does that mean 120 pimps and 35 drivers, or 10 pimps and 145 guys who didn't know they were meeting someone who wasn't really 21 like her ad said?
[QUOTE=BunkerBuster;2649611]When they say they arrested more than 150 pimps and others, does that mean 120 pimps and 35 drivers, or 10 pimps and 145 guys who didn't know they were meeting someone who wasn't really 21 like her ad said?[/QUOTE][URL]http://wtkr.com/2015/10/13/five-accused-virginia-beach-pimps-denied-bond/[/URL]
This story says 3 juveniles were rescued and dozens of pimps arrested in VA Beach and other area towns. It also gives some background about how a dating relationship with one juvenile apparently turned into a pimped relationship. It may be accurate or it may be hyped up but here are some general observations:
If LE targets enough BP ads with young-looking providers they're bound to find a few of them who are underage. Not only are their overall numbers vague, but they also don't give a total number of incidents from which the 149 rescued children and 150 pimps and "others" are drawn. Since it was a nationwide sting (over how many weeks / months, I wonder) are we talking 1,000 incidents? 10,000? 50,000? Why that's relevant is because knowing the total would show what is the real extent of the problem, in percentage terms.
What's also relevant is the age breakdown of the 149. How many were 17? How many were 16? This becomes important when you consider that the age of consent in many states is lower than 18. Here's a chart that spells out at what age someone can legally consent to sex and also whether there's a defense in that state when the minor appears older than her actual age. What's interesting is that, if Federal statutes are used (such as anti-trafficking) I've read that the age of consent gets artificially bumped up to 18 even if the state where the arrest takes place uses a lower age for violations under state statutes.
[URL]http://www.ageofconsent.us/[/URL]
So, even though local LE has had vice units for a long, long time, it pays to partner with the FBI because that brings the tougher Fed rules into play. And it also pays in a more literal sense because a sh*tload of $ gets funneled into local departments and task forces for anything having an anti-trafficking label. And that means, even admitting there is some level of problem with trafficking of underage providers, it's simply not possible to take LE's numbers and characterization at face value because they have a clear, self-serving motive to make the trafficking issue look as big as possible.
Bottom line for LEO: no, we're not going to just take your word for it.
Bottom line for hobbyists: do your homework and don't take a chance on any provider who looks to be anywhere close to the adult / juvenile line.
[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2649822][URL]http://wtkr.com/2015/10/13/five-accused-virginia-beach-pimps-denied-bond/[/URL]
What's also relevant is the age breakdown of the 149. How many were 17? How many were 16? This becomes important when you consider that the age of consent in many states is lower than 18. Here's a chart that spells out at what age someone can legally consent to sex and also whether there's a defense in that state when the minor appears older than her actual age. What's interesting is that, if Federal statutes are used (such as anti-trafficking) I've read that the age of consent gets artificially bumped up to 18 even if the state where the arrest takes place uses a lower age for violations under state statutes.
[/QUOTE]That's a really good point and the first reports may have been skewed.
[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2649822][URL]http://wtkr.com/2015/10/13/five-accused-virginia-beach-pimps-denied-bond/[/URL]
This story says 3 juveniles were rescued and dozens of pimps arrested in VA Beach and other area towns. It also gives some background about how a dating relationship with one juvenile apparently turned into a pimped relationship. It may be accurate or it may be hyped up but here are some general observations:
If LE targets enough BP ads with young-looking providers they're bound to find a few of them who are underage. Not only are their overall numbers vague, but they also don't give a total number of incidents from which the 149 rescued children and 150 pimps and "others" are drawn. Since it was a nationwide sting (over how many weeks / months, I wonder) are we talking 1,000 incidents? 10,000? 50,000? Why that's relevant is because knowing the total would show what is the real extent of the problem, in percentage terms.
What's also relevant is the age breakdown of the 149. How many were 17? How many were 16? This becomes important when you consider that the age of consent in many states is lower than 18. Here's a chart that spells out at what age someone can legally consent to sex and also whether there's a defense in that state when the minor appears older than her actual age. What's interesting is that, if Federal statutes are used (such as anti-trafficking) I've read that the age of consent gets artificially bumped up to 18 even if the state where the arrest takes place uses a lower age for violations under state statutes.
[URL]http://www.ageofconsent.us/[/URL]
So, even though local LE has had vice units for a long, long time, it pays to partner with the FBI because that brings the tougher Fed rules into play. And it also pays in a more literal sense because a sh*tload of $ gets funneled into local departments and task forces for anything having an anti-trafficking label. And that means, even admitting there is some level of problem with trafficking of underage providers, it's simply not possible to take LE's numbers and characterization at face value because they have a clear, self-serving motive to make the trafficking issue look as big as possible.
Bottom line for LEO: no, we're not going to just take your word for it.
Bottom line for hobbyists: do your homework and don't take a chance on any provider who looks to be anywhere close to the adult / juvenile line.[/QUOTE]According to court testimony, there was an instance of where one of these girls was taken across state lines (North Carolina). That. Is a whole new ball game. That falls under the Mann Act.
Bottom line. These human scum are finished for a long time. That you can take as Gospel. Not "maybe", not "kinda", not "sorta". Kaput.