General Reports

[QUOTE=SewerRat]I will also be at the Rio in a couple of weeks. Any suggestions for action in the area would be appreciated.

S. Rat[/QUOTE]

The great majority of the AMP, FMP etc. just about any place that has a store front location, you can get hj but it's expensive. I'd say the going rate is .60, of course they will ask for more. If that's your boat, it's cool, but don't expect FS from them because they are pretty rare. If you do find one, it will be as high as the ones below.

If you are looking to score w/in the casinos w/ pros. let me say that the best looking ones are at the most expensive places in town. From mostly the Belligio and Wynn that I've seen, w/o a doubt 9 and 10's on just about any body's scale. They will ask around 5 large perhaps even more. Probably will settle for around 300 and perhaps even 200 depending on how their night is going. Note Fri and Sat are prime night, so they do tend to ask for more, just because of the volume of traffic.

Just my 2 cents, and I wish some one would have told me this before I spent a lot of my money, from this school of hard knocks. Final note, tons of escorts working for agencies, i'm sure i don't have to warn you about them.

I picked up a little hottie in RIO. (walking with a freind which was a bit chunky) this hottie was a nice spinner in her 20s, dirty blonde, wearin jeans and heals & drunk. She was shaved and tasty. She played her money game so talk first before you let her enter your room. her name was amanda. (oh it was 4-5:00AM) hope that helps.

AMP.. Ocean Spa, on that road, at the intersection of Jones?... behind the Arbys, in the strip mall, but there others on the south part of the road. I wouldn't walk to any of those. TS extra $$. Good massage but some gals are a bit older there.

Thanks guys.....love the feed back...

"shaved and tasty" my favorite...

I was interested in the migration pattern of the Hotel bar girls. I was planning on being in vegas in a couple of weeks and I was curious to know the best spot to find a lower priced bar girl , around $ to $.5. I usually hang out on the sahara end of the strip. In the past I have always had good luck in the Sahara, however I was there a couple months ago and there was nothing. I decided to check out the Stardust,even though I never see anything there.

I was surprised to see the bar there was packed with working girls.

I will be in LV in a couple of weeks, I am wondering if there is any action at N.Y., N.Y., or very close by?

Thank you,

Gregger

While I was in LV this weekend heard news that a Clark County prostitution ordinance has been overturned as unconstitutional (7-0 vote). This extremely vague law basically gave LE the ability to arrest anyone who in LE's opinion looked like a SW. Maybe this ordinance is one of the reasons LV has one of the spottiest and least impressive SW scenes of any city its size. Again I'm talking classic SWs, not CGs, escorts, or bar girls who from time to time work the casino walkways or step out in front of the Strip hotels.

The Prosecutor's office said they plan to work on a new ordinance to replace this one, but other sources indicated that creating a ordinance that holds up will not be easy.

[QUOTE=Mike 80]While I was in LV this weekend heard news that a Clark County prostitution ordinance has been overturned as unconstitutional (7-0 vote)[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the 'Heads Up' , M·80 !!

Here are a few relevant Links =


[URL]http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Mar-17-Fri-2006/news/6409616.html[/URL]

[URL]http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20060317/REGION/103170047[/URL]



Laissez les bons temps roulez !!!

Uh, no; not really what it sounds like. I've followed this case because I found it interesting, but it's not very significant, except to legal academics. It is only a little used "loitering with intent" nuisance statute that was tossed, and the law in Clark County and Las Vegas remains about the same as it was and is most everywhere else. The practical effect of this judicial action is about the same as would be the repeal of a law against jaywalking or littering or obstructing traffic: something generally used only as a fallback to chase someone away for the moment when they know they're up to something else but can't prove it, and a handy excuse to do a search and check for wants and warrants.

It has absolutely no effect whatsoever on customers and very minimal effect, if any, on working girls. These "loitering for the purpose of..." statutes, where they exist, are used as a minor harassment tool when LE is unsucessful in getting the evidence required to sustain a prostitution bust, and of course the customer (that would be you) is not the one doing the loitering subject to the statute that was overturned for vagueness. If someone misinterprets this to mean there's some kind of open season for publicly soliciting SWs in a very indiscrete manner they are likely to be staying in Vegas rather longer than they planned, in an orange jumpsuit and plastic sandals.

[QUOTE=Mike 80]Maybe this ordinance is one of the reasons LV has one of the spottiest and least impressive SW scenes of any city its size.[/QUOTE]Ah, well, I wonder what size someone thinks it is. It's grown a lot, but the lights of the casinos may give the illusion that it's a bigger city than what actually exists. The city contained a little over 475,000 residents at last census, and the entire metro area including suburbs is close to 1.5 million. The total Las Vegas metro area is just about the same size as Portland, Oregon and Sacramento, California. Do you feel it has less SW activity than those places? It is still A LOT smaller than Seattle and Denver and Salt Lake City and Phoenix, with much less than half the population of those cities, but I believe it tends to have at least as much SW activity, and probably more, than any of them. But if someone has a fantasy about it being some kind of spectacular SW playground completely unlike any other city, then they will most likely be disappointed. As with any town, the SW game depends a lot on very specific local knowledge and takes a lot more time and effort than many casual visitors would care to invest in my opinion, just like anywhere else.

It is also somewhat seasonal, tapering off in the winter and picking up in the summer, which is something I've never understood for a town in the middle of the Mohave desert.

Wasn't there something similar to this in L.A. last year (THEY got it tough with this hobby)?

Being the defining aspects were so subjective, people were getting hassled for asking directions, for the time, and even for front seat blowjobs.

It's been awhile since I cruised that forum but I'm sure there's enough L.A. folk here to straighten me out. Electrons54?

[QUOTE=Wastrel]...the entire metro area including suburbs is close to 1.5 million...But if someone has a fantasy about it being some kind of spectacular SW playground completely unlike any other city, then they will most likely be disappointed. As with any town, the SW game depends a lot on very specific local knowledge and takes a lot more time and effort than many casual visitors would care to invest in my opinion, just like anywhere else.[/QUOTE] Wastrel,
LV still does strike me as something of a small city, probably primarily the result of the small downtown area and the low profile of its downtown buildings. But that said, 1.5 million is a lot of people. Why the reference (apparently to me) having "a fantasy about it being...a spectacular SW playground completely unlike any other city?" Huh?

I love LV and am there almost every month. But as one recent poster put it, this is Sin City we're talking about. There must be 50 pages of escort ads in the yellow pages. There are also plenty of people down on their luck, lots of shaky areas, the kinds of places experienced mongers recognize as prime SW breeding grounds. I don't know all of the spots in Vegas but I know many of them -- a few of which I give credit to you for identifying. Still, I find it easy to spend a couple of hours of dedicated hunting and not turn up a single decent option. Happened this weekend in fact, although I finally did come across a couple of good prospects (posted in the Streetwalker thread).

To give just one stark, somewhat apples to apples comparison, on any given night and certainly on weekends, there are at least 3 times as many SWs walking the 2 mile Pacific Ave stroll in Atlantic City as a monger is likely to find canvassing the many scattered strolls in Vegas. AC SW quality is generally good, although the quantity definitely seems to have taken a hit in recent months after the arrest of the LV and East Coast-based "International Pimp of the Year." AC's actual population is, what, maybe 50-100k?

Yeah, sometimes the LV batting average is higher and there is a noticeable seasonal effect. I'm not looking for any "spectacular playground," but somehow I never get over being surprised at the overall weakness (quantity and quality) of the Vegas SW scene. It's not horrible and I certainly still monger there on visits when I have time on my own. But I stand by my comment that compared to other large cities I visit, over the last couple of years the LV SW scene is below average to average at best.

[QUOTE=Fullerene]I will be in LV in a couple of weeks, I am wondering if there is any action at N.Y., N.Y., or very close by?

Thank you,

Gregger[/QUOTE]

After 1am...sometimes a bit later. If cold out, then there will not be too much on the bridges. Try bars at NYNY, MGM, Luxor. All within easy traveling distance. Take the tram from Excalibur to Luxor to avoid the cold. Quote will start at $$$$$. Negotiate down to $$$, possibly $$. Don't expect less. They will go to your room. Make sure you store all valuables except the immediate money in your safe.

The small sw population is kinda a fallacy....downtown and Boulder have tons of sw, just not all are out at all times. But at certain times you can drive LV Bl down to Sams Town and see 30 or more sw.

Also, there are very few higher end sw becuase the casinos are easy pickings.

[QUOTE=Mike 80]Wastrel,
LV still does strike me as something of a small city, probably primarily the result of the small downtown area and the low profile of its downtown buildings. But that said, 1.5 million is a lot of people. Why the reference (apparently to me) having "a fantasy about it being...a spectacular SW playground completely unlike any other city?" Huh?

I love LV and am there almost every month. But as one recent poster put it, this is Sin City we're talking about. There must be 50 pages of escort ads in the yellow pages. There are also plenty of people down on their luck, lots of shaky areas, the kinds of places experienced mongers recognize as prime SW breeding grounds. I don't know all of the spots in Vegas but I know many of them -- a few of which I give credit to you for identifying. Still, I find it easy to spend a couple of hours of dedicated hunting and not turn up a single decent option. Happened this weekend in fact, although I finally did come across a couple of good prospects (posted in the Streetwalker thread).

To give just one stark, somewhat apples to apples comparison, on any given night and certainly on weekends, there are at least 3 times as many SWs walking the 2 mile Pacific Ave stroll in Atlantic City as a monger is likely to find canvassing the many scattered strolls in Vegas. AC SW quality is generally good, although the quantity definitely seems to have taken a hit in recent months after the arrest of the LV and East Coast-based "International Pimp of the Year." AC's actual population is, what, maybe 50-100k?

Yeah, sometimes the LV batting average is higher and there is a noticeable seasonal effect. I'm not looking for any "spectacular playground," but somehow I never get over being surprised at the overall weakness (quantity and quality) of the Vegas SW scene. It's not horrible and I certainly still monger there on visits when I have time on my own. But I stand by my comment that compared to other large cities I visit, over the last couple of years the LV SW scene is below average to average at best.[/QUOTE]

Well, I really wasn't thinking just of you individually Mike80, but oftentimes I really do think that complaining about terribly poor SW prospects in Las Vegas must be in comparison to some very unrealistic expectations of "Sin City" that someone brings with them or perhaps compared to the memory of the outdoor playground of years ago. I think it's in our nature to complain that there isn't enough of what we seek, and I've done some of it myself, but it is not at all understandable to me to assert that it has fewer of them than similar sized cities (care for a wild week of debauchery in Sacramento anyone?) and the prospects on any given day are quite a bit better than Portland or Indianapolis or Columbus or Milwaukie or Salt Lake or Orlando. I wouldn't know about Atlantic City, but from my experience I'm pretty damn confident that guys in Portland would consider a slow day on the streets of Vegas a lot better than the best day they've ever seen there. I find it arguable whether it's actually better or worse (depends on what you're looking for) than Los Angeles, with it's 16 million souls, and it's noticeably more consistent than trying to hunt for them among the 3.5 million people in Phoenix.

But it sounds like we can agree that most guys wouldn't find it worthwhile to fly all the way across the country just for the local SW scene, since that game in Vegas is probably not going to be all that different than driving around the scruffy areas of some cities in their own time zone. It's a warning I've probably given here at least a dozen times in the past few years to tone down the expectations of prospective visitors.

In any case, this loitering ordinance won't have much to do with it one way or another.

Since we're chatting about news from the police and judicial blotter, here's a few recent items that are relevant for this forum, if not particularly pleasant:

I'm not sure why this one got a little media play, since it's not unusual, but this is the second mention of this working girl's death on the Strip that I've seen in print:
[B]A Woman Died Here[/b]
[Size=4]Prostitutes' deaths difficult to track[/size]
[I]Naked and lifeless, her body was found in the predawn of her 22nd birthday: March 3, 2006. A Friday. Investigators from the Las Vegas Metro Police Department, having been summoned to the 25th floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino at 3:23 in the morning, found little to work with upon their arrival... [/I][url]http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2006/03/16/aws14.html[/url]

I really don't know what to think of this article, becuase while I'm all for making life as miserable as possible for the pimps I just haven't seen this alleged local epidemic of kiddie hookers, but maybe that's becuase I'm not looking for it:
[Size=4]Juvenile Prostitution: Trafficking in children on increase[/size]
[B]Las Vegas among 14 U.S. cities where problem is most severe [/b]
[url]http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Mar-19-Sun-2006/news/6434154.html[/url]

And on a lighter note, I look forward to the creative efforts of the advertising industry when they are able to take Ms. Davis' account:
[B]EDITORIAL: Ban on brothel ads constitutionally flawed
Owner, publishers, file federal suit[/b]
[I]Bobbi Davis is the proprietor of the Shady Lady Ranch, a legal brothel near Scotty's Junction in Nye County, 130 miles northwest of Las Vegas. Ms. Davis wishes to advertise her business... [/I][url]http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Mar-20-Mon-2006/news/6435395.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Speck]The small sw population is kinda a fallacy....downtown and Boulder have tons of sw, just not all are out at all times. But at certain times you can drive LV Bl down to Sams Town and see 30 or more sw.

Also, there are very few higher end sw becuase the casinos are easy pickings.[/QUOTE]You mean Boulder down to Sams Town, right? 30 SWs? Wow, what was the occasion? What time of day/year? Within the last couple of years? I don't think I've seen more than 7-8 out at the same time on any single cruise down Boulder from Atlantic down past Sams in a VERY long time.

Yeah I know there are plenty of SWs in town, just not out at the same time -- but that applies to any city, right? Besides AC I monger a lot in Philly, Camden and some in Baltimore. Strolls in all those cities are much more dependable 24/7 than LV. Occasional gems aside, general quality in the Fremont corridor in particular is pretty godawful IMO. Hey, again I'm not hatin' on LV -- my favorite city in the entire U.S. Just stating my experience. Wish it was better.

Your point about why there is a relative absence of higher quality SWs is a good one, although I do think it's more common to see AC casino girls hit the streets in the very wee hours and even into daylight than in Vegas -- although I know some do it there too.

One thing I think we all can agree on is that the widely scattered location of all the LV strolls makes Vegas SW hunting a much more time- and gas-consuming hobby than in most cities like the ones I just mentioned where the strolls are far more concentrated. Making one pass down the 3 mile or so K Ave stroll in Philly and striking out (a pretty infrequent occurence BTW) is a heckuva lot less frustrating than spending a couple of hours hiking all over LV to reach the same conclusion: no SWs in town out tonite.