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Anyone have any stories of having a relationship with any girls?

I've had relationships with 3 MP girls, one was good, but she eventually left the country. One was so-so, she was really hot but kind of hyper, but then I started a 'legit' relationship with a girl I had been interested in for a long time so I stopped seeing her.

The latest, she seems the most normal and nicest of the 3.

I'm curious, what kind of expectations do you guys have of a relationship like this?

argh, so strange.

I'll post now and then to give my thoughts and updates on all this.

Addict - If they're full-service MP girls, they're NOT normal. Sorry.

I have dated from the "80%-legit" MPs around town, for a number of reasons:

1. Asians have a better attitude about the industry;
2. The girls were very sweet;
3. The ladies freshly arrived from yonder shores are often horny as hell.
4. The Chinese ladies have the impression that Lao Wai are packing big cocks, and are curious.

It pays to speak some Korean\Cantonese\Mandarin or Viet.

I would not try to date a FS lady, myself. Way too much karma.

If you like asians (like I like asians) you should be able to pull one with a little work.

Childe,

I don't think the issue here is whether these girls are Asian and I can "pull one", cause I'm asian as well. Also, one of the girls I had a relationship with was white. Like I said, I've also had 'legit' relationships with girls, it's just that currently I'm not doing that.

Anyways, I spent the day with "#3" yesterday, good fun of course.

So these girls aren't normal - do you think they are all messed up in the head? Do you think only a certain kind of messedup childhood can result in a person becoming a prostitute? And what does this forecast as far as relationships go? Disaster?

There are other strange issues too, like am I supposed to refrain from pursuing other relationships? What if I pursue outside sex only and not outside relationships?

Addict,
I have never dated a prostitute and never will, because I couldn't handle sharing with someone. It MAY be different if she were a former prostitute, if there is such thing as a FORMER one. I would always suspect she would go back to it.

That said, most women in this world have major issues and baggage of some kind, so why is one better than the other? Why is a prostitute any different than a "normal" girl? I say do whatever you want as long as you can handle the consequences.

Hello Everyone.....is there any asian indian AMP in San Francisco? I heard that there is one on Post but i couldn't find it. I don't know the place of that name either. That place cost FS for $100 including room service.

never heard of an indian place. Anywhere for that matter. Are there prostitutes in India? I'm sure there are but I'm also sure Bombay isn't exactly Bangkok.

I would try it if there were one in SF. anyone else know?

Addict, et. al.,

I frequent the Santa Rosa board, but it's been dead over there ever since the change in format, so I was cruising this list when I saw Addict's question. I have been frequenting pro's exclusively, mostly amp's, for three or four years now for a variety of reasons. I've had some personal realtionships with the gals, and I'll recount them if you'd like. If you don't like, don't read it!!

My first "realtionship" was with a Thai girl, started in 1995. She was cute and passionate, and we had a good time. I was a regular with her and got to the point where she didn't expect to be paid, even though I very seldom saw her away from work. I was a little naive as far as a being a regular "customer", so I didn't know what to expect. After not seeing her for a couple of months (I made the mistake of not keeping in touch) I went back to visit her at her place. She was no longer working in a mp... she had her own place and was working as an independent. Still no charge, but she had married some guy (that was quick!) so wouldn't do anything more than a hj sans clothing. That doesn't work for me as I want more, particularly with a fine looking naked body in front of me. I didn't see her again until about a month ago. I ran into her at the county fair; she was with some guy (not the one she married), but they were both wearing rings. I can only assume she was divorced and remarried (this guy was a lot better looking than the previous goofball). Make of this what you will, but I think some guy looking for a ltr or marriage could have done worse. She was a beauty, was very attentive and a stick of dynamite in the sack.

Case #2 involves a gal I still see occasionally. We also went from a standard amp relationship to a freebie, after work or at her place situation. We went out a couple of times and had a "normal" type of relationship (whatever THAT means). I've tried to get her involved in my business (she claims to be out of "the business") because she has some pretty serious financial problems. It's worked OK... I consider her a friend, but don't do sex with her anymore. I'm afraid she would (intentionally) get pregnant, leaving me with no option but to take care of her. Not in the cards - I like her, but not THAT much. I've known her for almost 4 years.

Case #3 involved a cute Thai girl that I really fell for. We liked each other from out first meeting at the amp she was working. We laughed and joked, and the sex was spectacular, bb from day one. She told me I was the only one, and I believed her. She was very sweet, showed me pictures of her family back in Thailand... I even talked to her daughter on the phone a couple of times. We saw each other every day for five months. She NEVER asked for $, but I would slip her some money every now and then... the problem was that I was distracting her from her job. She'd pass up a shift to go out with me, shopping or whatever. We even looked at property, for her and for her boss. She was considering moving up here from SoCal... One day, someting changed. I still don't know what it was, I'll probably never figure it out. She just quit returning my calls (I had her private cell number). She wouldn't tell me, claimed she didn't know enough English to express herself (which was bullshit), said she was afraid and couldn't have a boyfriend. I would go to see her, but she wouldn't even let me visit as a "customer". What a drag. I still think about her occasionally. She was REALLY cute with that perfect, petite oriental body, shiny straight black hair, literally to her KNEES!! A total doll. She moved back down south about a month after the "break-up", changed her number, and I haven't heard from or been able to contact her since. I consider it a loss. Right time and place, I could have stayed with her forever...

I have a theory about what happened with this last one, and it bears peripherally on the others. I've frequented "professional" girls on and off since I was in the Navy in the mid '70's, so I've been around, and I don't consider myself to be naive. I've learned some things, though, some of which are quite surprising. For instance, I never considered the economic situation these women face. The last girl I described has a daughter in college in Bangkok (she is one helluva lot younger looking than she is... could pass for 25!). She is also supporting her entire extended family back home, building a virtual compound for them to live in. I could have figured it out, but I never considered her income potential. I think most of these girls would love to find an American to settle down with, but this girl in particular would have been sacrificing a SUBSTANTIAL income. When she was working, she would see an average of five guys each day. Damned near 100% would go for fs with the usual tip being $100. She didn't like to talk about it, but she told me that she only had to work about 6 weeks to make $20,000 to $25,000!! That's a hell of an incentive for someone who is used to living on about $5.00 a day back home. She was probably living on about that much here, too. I make a decent income, but I couldn't provide her with what she could make on her own (not while keeping up my own mortgage, anyway).

What do I conclude from this? These girls are "normal", whatever that means to you. There are unique factors involved in the way many of these girls live. True, and my "girlfriends" have told me, some, if not many, hate what they do and make it easier on themselves by doing drugs or whatever. #3 herself told me she didn't like sex (although she sure seemed like she did), but their whole mindset is different than what we get over here. These girls know the differences between men and women, and they work with those differences. I've had many caucasian sw's and mp workers; not ONE of them showed the interest in my pleasure that the average amp gal shows. Hell, I've even got a FOURTH one over by Fairfield who accepted my offer to take her to dinner and a movie! They just don't have the hang-ups around sex. It's that simple. FS turns out to be just part of the package... go in for a massage, leave a few extra quid on the nightstand, and BANG... The one I frequent now just strips down after completing the massage; it's part of the service, and these gals accept that. Do they think it's degrading? I think that depends upon the quality of their clientele. If a guy is smelly, fat, rude and gross, sure, NOBODY would like that, no matter how much the fee. But, if you treat a girl with respect and value what she is doing for you, maybe take a shower and keep your dick clean... these girls provide a service, just like any other job. Few of the regulars I've seen don't end up offering gifts of some sort, just little things to show they are doing more than just business.

My parting advice is this... I think you can find a good girl in the amp world. I think I've done it at least twice, maybe three times, BUT... beware of the consequences and realize what you are up against. There is a cultural difference that is profound and hard to overcome. A woman who knows what she can sell her body for can always go back to doing that, even at a surprisingly advanced age. They can make A LOT OF MONEY... it's damned hard to compete with that (although I think it is easier than trying to break the ice with some rich ***** female attorney who probably doesn't even make as much money). They don't think about sex and love the same way we do, as a culture, I mean... I can't think of a guy who wouldn't sell himself as a sex object for $100 a pop! We just can't relate to women who do without putting some value judgement on it. All this aside, it is my experience, direct and through others, that these gals are probably MORE capable of being faithful in a marriage than that average white American woman.

Women are all looking for the same thing, our cultures just dictate different avenues. I don't think all, or even MOST, amp girls are messed up. If I were in the market for a ltr or marriage, I think I could do a helluva lot worse than the girls I've known.

Hope I answered your questions, just my two cents.

Spike, out...

Addict wrote:

"So these girls aren't normal - do you think they are all messed up in the head? Do you think only a certain kind of messedup childhood can result in a person becoming a prostitute? And what does this forecast as far as relationships go? Disaster?"

- Basically, yes to all of those. The woman who can do that job and retain enough healthy spirit to conduct a not-for-pay relationship with a man, SUCH AS THE MAN WOULD WANT, is very rare IMHO.

"There are other strange issues too, like am I supposed to refrain from pursuing other relationships? What if I pursue outside sex only and not outside relationships?"

Those are your issues, and I can't say. I've had a lot of both types of sex, and personally consider the gulf between a healthy mutual relationship and a play-for-pay to just be too great to want to try to wade across. I've heard too many horror stories. I am not coming down on MP girls or any others...I just have my humble opinion based on my experience.

I didn't mean to sound judgmental or condescending. Good luck to you and keep us posted!

Childe,

I have to respectfully disagree with some of what you said. In my experience, there are many providers in the amp world who are "normal" and aren't "messed up in the head". We tend to think that away about them because in our culture fs providers usually ARE messed up. In our culture this kind of activity is seen as the last ditch desperate act of the dregs of society. Maybe so, and I haven't met many "real" caucasian women in this line of work, but I am convinced that Asian women are much more capable of providing this service without being "messed up".

I don't want to repeat my previous post, but I've gotten to know several amp workers over the years, and I think they are generally good, "normal" gals, just making a living. I can't say the same about the non-amp mp workers or the non-asian sw's (or any sw's for that matter).

I married a woman from the Philippines when I was living there while serving in the military (early '70's)... she worked in a bar, and I knew what she did for a living, but I was young, she was cute and the romance of living in an exotic foreign setting was irresistable. We split after 7 years (not for any reason you might guess). She was the most honorable, faithful and loyal partner I ever had (or WILL ever have). In fact, she was shocked at the lack of morality in this country when she came over here. Sounds wierd, but it made sense. Their view of sex, romance, love and marriage is just completely different from ours. To think otherwise is simply evidence of our lack of understanding.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not recommending anyone rush out and latch onto a amp gal... I'm just trying to answer addict's question. I've known some great gals from that setting, though, and I can tell you from first hand experience: in some cases you could do worse.

Just my $.02...

Spike... out

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cribstone_Dick
[i]very little action seen out in the Mission lately, must be a lot of LE heavy duty pressure. Whats the word? [/i][/QUOTE]

i had some work near SF recently and i spent some time the past few days cruising the "old" turf. what a wasteland it is now. i cruised the above market area and the below mission. couldn't find a thing except maybe one or two drug hags which i leave alone. saw a couple of young asian sweeties looking slightly the part but when i offered a ride they just shook their head no and kept walking. too bad coz they were both very sexy looking. i have no idea where to find decent SW anymore.

anyone...........???

agl.

ChefDog - I sympathize with business owners who have to collect their $$, but I sympathize more with exploited women.

I hope they all go to jail.

Hello,

Has anyone heard of places in San Francisco that accept insurance scams for massages or chiropractic care (i.e. car) ? Couple places in Florida got busted but I was wondering if there were any in San Francisco that were worth checking out. I know
these places make a ton of money from these insurance scams.

Thanks..

Sup Everybody, been reading this list for a while and learned a lot of locations... I'm going to be visiting SF in a month or two and just wanted to see if there were any updates on closings/busts/etc. Also maybe some updates on ettiquette and how not to get ripped off... will only be here for a week and I wanna get the most bang for my buck. I've heard of Lee's, MSC, Golden Flower, Empire and various others. Don't worry... I won't ask for locations, I understand that this shouldn't be said outright and most peoples' hints have been easy enough to understand. Just wanted to see what up/what's new... peace...

What's up everybody,
Checking out SF soon any recommendations for Lee's, Empire, or Sunflower? Is Golden Flower still around? any info appreciated. Great forum guys. Peace.