"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I use the term "rich" loosely. Most of these girls are just looking for someone older and more experienced to talk to. A person that can take them away from the lifestyle of their peers. It's more of an upgrade in social standing and some added comforts.

I've met girls in a few different categories:

A) the "pros" that pressed for an allowance amount before M&G.

B) College girl, no set allowance. Good times, occasional gift or cash. Seeking "rich boyfriend".

C) 20/30 something. Not "UTR" but pressed for cash. Had a few balk at $. 50 after an overnight.

D) freak girl. Normal girl on surface, but high sex drive and some type of fetish. Met girls that like having a teddy bear in bed, girls into "daddy talk", etc.

A) and D) the girls weren't really worth my time. I ended things pretty quickly.

Option B) is the most ideal, but requires some vetting and preparing for some ups and downs. I think it's hard to determine if this girl is a gamer girl or if it's truly a "princess seeking daddy". With this girl I follow the mantra of "time will tell" but in the meantime have fun. These girls are normally serious students and not looking for a baby. This girl wants to be "kept" from a distance, but also able to share some intimate GF / BF moments.

Option C) is a fun time, but seeing the desperation for cash didn't appeal to me. Also, noticed tons of self-esteem issues with these girls. These were mostly the 20's that finished college and are living on their own and struggling to make ends meet. They're mostly your liberal arts majors. I was fortunate in sensing these girls early on. I'd suspect this is the type of girl to turn up preggars and OWN you for life.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2633600]I noticed that if I go through the SA app, I get an upgrade option for 7 days for $34.99 and some other options, like 28 days for $99.99.

If you are on a PC, you get a 30-day option fro $79.00. You don't get a 7-day option.

Anyone notice this discrepancy?[/QUOTE]I was balking at spending $80 just to give my contact info to POTs. $35 is ok to spend to ping all the babes who joined since my last membership.

And I had no idea how to talk her down! I think I just panicked because it was a real time sort of conversation. I have been religiously reading this forum for quite some time, and in the past, the money issue has always come up either at the M&G or never. The one time it came up in an initial email back and forth, the lady got quite angry at me for wasting her time. That was the only time it happened. Well it happened again today. I actually saw a SB i liked on a SD site on another dating site (a regular one) and approached her discreetly. It was actually not too difficult to reach out, as she is pretty open about her sexuality and stuff on her page. Nevertheless, she did scold me for contacting her off the other site, but I had not choice, as I don't have a current membership to the SD site she is on. And she was sooooo hot I had to write.

Anyway, after she scolded me, she said since we were already talking, that it would be ok to discuss an arrangement. Things were informal, then she came out with a pretty big number for a per-meeting allowance. Now I have the HWG lines all prepared for emailing back and forth, but we were on a website and I just kinda lost my head and said it was too high, and apologized for wasting her time. She was cool with it. But I know I could have handled it better. I just kinda freaked out at the number. Of course in the heat of the moment I forgot I had HWG's advise on how to deal with a high number. But the convo was happening almost in real time, as we were both online on the website. Lesson learned!

Norm!

[QUOTE=NormGerd;2634858]And I had no idea how to talk her down! I think I just panicked because it was a real time sort of conversation. I have been religiously reading this forum for quite some time, and in the past, the money issue has always come up either at the M&G or never. The one time it came up in an initial email back and forth, the lady got quite angry at me for wasting her time. That was the only time it happened. Well it happened again today. I actually saw a SB i liked on a SD site on another dating site (a regular one) and approached her discreetly. It was actually not too difficult to reach out, as she is pretty open about her sexuality and stuff on her page. Nevertheless, she did scold me for contacting her off the other site, but I had not choice, as I don't have a current membership to the SD site she is on. And she was sooooo hot I had to write.

Anyway, after she scolded me, she said since we were already talking, that it would be ok to discuss an arrangement. Things were informal, then she came out with a pretty big number for a per-meeting allowance. Now I have the HWG lines all prepared for emailing back and forth, but we were on a website and I just kinda lost my head and said it was too high, and apologized for wasting her time. She was cool with it. But I know I could have handled it better. I just kinda freaked out at the number. Of course in the heat of the moment I forgot I had HWG's advise on how to deal with a high number. But the convo was happening almost in real time, as we were both online on the website. Lesson learned!

Norm![/QUOTE]It's helpful to get to the point where negotiating down comes natural. HWG's lines work very well for me. As a sales rep for over 37 years, I also have my own skills at that. Don't get flustered or discouraged by a high number. Most of them are full of shit. If they had someone giving them that kind of donation, they wouldn't be talking to us. I don't get into long negotiations. If they can't accept my offer, I move on. There are plenty more where they came from that will jump all over what you offer.

I have had girls ask for 5 k / month to meet once a week and also 500-1000/ meet. I always tell them it is too high and wish them well. Many ask for 250-400 - those can be talked down. I never pay more than 150. I have a few who agreed to 100 but always flaked on meets. The point is to assert you have been doing this forever and you always paid X. Stay firm. Also you have to be flexible and close the deal soon. Once they fuck you for 100 or 150 then they cannot go up. Sooner or later they will need cash again and they will go with the known person (you) than a new guy.

Good luck,

Vox out.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2635012]It's helpful to get to the point where negotiating down comes natural. HWG's lines work very well for me. As a sales rep for over 37 years, I also have my own skills at that. Don't get flustered or discouraged by a high number. Most of them are full of shit. If they had someone giving them that kind of donation, they wouldn't be talking to us. I don't get into long negotiations. If they can't accept my offer, I move on. There are plenty more where they came from that will jump all over what you offer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2634579]To paraphrase Dennis Miller about Monica -- think of all the assholes you are going to blow in your life and have nothing to show for it. If you have a chance to blow the President (or a guy who will pay your rent this month) and its not against your will, go for it![/QUOTE]That was a Classic.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2634583]JL said it -two types 1) UTR "almost"escort and 2) Princess who "knows her worth". That excludes the out and out escorts who are here as well. Why not? What better place to find clients than a Sugar site. I have pursued SBs who I thought were looking for a Daddy like me, but who I found on Monger sites. Right now I have talked to at least 4 in my area who are obviously OK with one time PTP.

Right now I found a 10/10 Model who is a #2 --she came across blatantly as an hourly worker who has no compunction about a one time meet. I have mixed feelings about seeing her. On one hand she is a super model asking 2 X what I normally pay, but I am tempted to give her a try. But in the end I would rather bang a 7/7 twice than a 10 once. And I guarantee she will have an attitude. She is phenomenal looking for sure. Don't know yet what I will do. In the end pussy is pussy.

Got a new SB 22 who is down with my budget and weekly meet. My previous one had to take a break due to health issues. It's nice to have a fresh one to explore. She is much more sexually expressive which I like and ranks as a 7/7. 5/8/8 . I could have 3 or 4 now, but don't have the $$ for it right now.[/QUOTE]

Regarding banging a 10 once compared to banging a 7 twice. I'm coming to that conclusion now with my 22 yo model baby. I have a near model looking 22 yo, and I get her for my normal price. And a third 24 yo baby that is probably a 7. 5 for again my normal price. I think my model baby is going to turn into a once a month meeting more on the escort level. I have come to the conclusion she goes to Vegas to escort periodically anyway, so I can just put her in that category and do her when I have the feeling to instead of having her in my lineup.

Im really liking my 22 yo who is a 9 and my 7.5 24 yo. Im pretty content right now. The 22 yo Im really liking right now and enjoy spoiling her. I like the relationship. The 24 yo is very new as we just had our M & G just a few days ago. We are having our first meeting today, so well see how it goes. I do have high hopes for this one too. Having a good relationship with two would be ideal for me at this time. I would like to settle in with just two for a while.

On a side note my ex baby who is a senior text me and wants to see me. Probably more that she needs a little monetary help more than anything, but thats okay.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2633600]I noticed that if I go through the SA app, I get an upgrade option for 7 days for $34.99 and some other options, like 28 days for $99.99.

If you are on a PC, you get a 30-day option fro $79.00. You don't get a 7-day option.

Anyone notice this discrepancy?[/QUOTE]Is this app available for iphones? Once you sign up for the 7 day option, can you then access the site from your PC? My profile expired a week ago, but there are a few stragglers that I'd like to contact if possible.

Thanks,

Scott.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2634826] Most of these girls are just looking for someone older and more experienced to talk to. [/QUOTE]Your Category Cs also like men who are more experienced in bed. Think how lousy a lay you were in your 20's. Guys are probably more selfish and stupid now since it is so easy to hook up and frequent random hook ups don't lead to learning about your partners wants and needs.

Plus I have amazed myself at truly believing that many of these women are looking for advice / counseling / mentoring. Thought it was just something they wrote in their p;rofiles to convince themselves they are not escorts.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2635415]Plus I have amazed myself at truly believing that many of these women are looking for advice / counseling / mentoring. Thought it was just something they wrote in their p;rofiles to convince themselves they are not escorts.[/QUOTE]Sometimes the ones with absent-daddy syndrome, that are driven to replace the role that their real dad didn't play in their life, are the most fun. They've got an extra motivational factor that outweighs the monetary support. Take that factor, and combine it with the fact that career success on a man is a natural aphrodisiac in itself, in their minds. Success on a male is the equivalent of a perfect ass on a female, its hard to pass up.

This is one reason I don't like to discuss amounts with them. Dangling external motivators like cash creates a distraction that makes it harder for the intrinsic motivators like the above to flourish.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2635444]Sometimes the ones with absent-daddy syndrome, that are driven to replace the role that their real dad didn't play in their life, are the most fun. They've got an extra motivational factor that outweighs the monetary support. Take that factor, and combine it with the fact that career success on a man is a natural aphrodisiac in itself, in their minds. Success on a male is the equivalent of a perfect ass on a female, its hard to pass up.

This is one reason I don't like to discuss amounts with them. Dangling external motivators like cash creates a distraction that makes it harder for the intrinsic motivators like the above to flourish.[/QUOTE]Since I've been focusing on one SB its been more like peeling off layers of getting to know my SB / GF / SO better. We have no fetish play to think of and she's not into calling me daddy during sex or anything like that. There's no dress up or role play other than lingerie.

The dynamic of our relationship does have some simulatity to daddy Dom play. It's very subtle, but my SB will occasionally want a piggyback ride or for me to tie her shoe. This isn't frequent in occurance. We definitely have our share of intellectual conversation, but there are times in the past I've noticed that she acts child like. I'm not complaining. It's just an observation.

I suppose she looks at me as a father figure in some ways as I provide all her financial needs. She loves when I'm at home working with my toolbox or tinkering with small electronics. When I'm handling work calls she smiles at me and gives me a hug from behind when I'm in my chair. If she does something I disprove of she warms up to me by being sexual. I looked at it as sweet GF behavior, but I'm starting to wonder if there are some parallels.

I only recently discovered DD / LG and I'm wondering if this is what we're acting out. If any of your guys have any ideas on how to further take advantage of this inclination let me know. At this point, this could be me overthinking things. Or perhaps I'm on to something.

Don't know.

[QUOTE=FScott;2635354]Is this app available for iphones? Once you sign up for the 7 day option, can you then access the site from your PC? My profile expired a week ago, but there are a few stragglers that I'd like to contact if possible.

Thanks,

Scott.[/QUOTE]

Fellahs, been a while since I've posted. Not for lack of wanting to contribute (no I'm not holding out to try to keep you brothers from being able to use my strategies) but rather I have not had the available time to contribute to the board because I've been so busy bowling. This month has been an embarrassment of riches. No, not here to brag, but rather to help put things into perspective with the numbers. I know, I'm under 45, fit, and am not completely ugly, so the bowl should be rigged in my favor. I broke down the stats and they say otherwise. I attribute my FC trips to working harder than the next guy, and also on my profile. I previously posted that a mercenary profile would attract less, but I was wrong. The end of this month I ended up getting messages from two pots from previous rounds that I couldn't close. They were trying to M&G with me. I think the ladies smelled the confidence oozing from my profile.

Of course there are so many variables, so who knows why the past 30 days was so fruitful? Maybe there are less SDs in the game, maybe there are more pots, maybe these babies need money for school supplies? Who knows, but I'll take what I can get when I can get it.

1. According to my SA sent message box, I sent out 208 messages this month. Yes. There were occasions when I hit the max number of messages for the day and had my ability to send messages locked down by the site.

2. Those 208 messages generated 32 M&Gs - 18% rate.

3. Those 32 M&Gs were supposed to lead to 18 FC trips - 56% rate.

4. Of those 18 FC trips, only 12 materialized into actual trips. The other six ended up getting cold feet and backing out, or ended the date by telling me that they needed more time to be comfortable before going to the FC - 66% rate. (more on this in a future post).

5. Of the 12 FC trips, 7 have gone dark or no longer check their profiles, leaving me a new rotation of 5 SBs - 41% rate. The allowance for those 12 trips ranged between 100-200 per date. (more on this in a future post).

Put into perspective, based on the number of messages sent (208), and the number of SBs I now have in my new rotation, the end result is a 2% success rate. It was a heavy grind, only made possible because of my ability to create time (more on this in a future post), use my funds sparingly (more on this on a future post), persistence (I discussed this in a prior post), and the confidence necessary to seal the deal (more on this in a future post).

So I previously posted about how I now exclusively do coffee M&Gs. This past round though, a few ladies slipped through the cracks of my "I just want a nice meal at a high end restaurant radar. " I can't stand this, and according to some of these ladies, there are some brothers out there who are reinforcing this bad behavior by treating SA like a traditional dating site with WYP benefits. One dinner dater even had the gall to ask me for an allowance after I took her out to an upscale restaurant, but without a trip to the FC.

I wish I had excused myself to go the bathroom, and then left her with the check when that nonsense came out of her mouth. Normally, these kinds of ladies get weeded out early in the messaging process. When they make it to the M&G, I ensure that they understand that if and when we go to the next step, intimacy will be required. I do this by having them sit in my lap towards the end of the coffee M&G, or getting a LFK to close the date. If the lady has reservations sitting my lap at the M&G, and / or ending with a LFK, I've concluded that there is little to no hope of them getting to the FC on the dinner date.

Sadly, a few of the "dinner daters" slipped through the cracks this round. Less irritated about the fact that I had to drop cash to pay for the dinner, and more irritated at myself for not catching it sooner. I also hate the feeling of getting strung along. I've countered these ladies by stepping down the FC dinner date to an above average restaurant. This way, if the evening ends badly, I feel a little less strung along.

I've concluded that if a girl makes it past the M&G stage and has agreed to go to the FC, then she's already made up her mind about whether she will, or will not really go there. So long as you don't take her to McDonalds, things will generally end up where you want them to be. If a girl is going to flake after the FC dinner date, then it would've happened regardless of where I took them. So rather than taking them to the high end places, I've decided that a decent chain will do (e. G. Cheesecake factory, etc.).

So there have been some prior posts about how one is able to manufacture time away from the SO to play with the bowl. I also understand that there are some brothers out there that don't go bowling unless the SO is out of town because they fear the wrath of the SO.

A few more creative suggestions I've thought about:

1. Uber. Most SOs won't have a problem if a brother is away from the family because they are trying to make money. For those brothers in small towns, who need to go to larger markets, one option is to become an Uber / Lyft / etc. Driver and then go to larger cities during the weekend to make money. This provides the perfect cover to get a hotel room in a different city, and a SO approved basis to be away from the family (you're busy working trying to bring money home, she will be happy). This also has the added benefit of making money in between M&G's, FC trips, etc and could help to defray bowl costs.

2. Volunteering as a mentor a local college. For those brothers with more professional background, being a mentor to students at a local college via a formal program provides the perfect cover and reason for you to be away from home for clips at a time. This has the added benefit of providing cover when you're in town and spotted with a young lady (hey, you're only mentoring someone you met through the program). It also has the added benefit of actually potentially generating pots when you're really doing the volunteer work.

3. Home projects. Tackling a large or small home project is a great excuse to spend a few hours away from home and in the local big box home improvement store. Coming back home with parts that don't fit, are too big or small, or underbuying or overbuying supplies, only gives you another reason to go back out to the big box store. Almost all of the big box home improvement stores will be in a area with a coffee shop. Perfect time to M&G.