"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Posted a SD type of AD on CL, like I have frequently. Came across this real hottie. 25, African America, slim with natural 34 DDs. She has her own biz and it affords free time during the day. Since it's not a SD relationship, she takes what I give without any complaints. I've been mixing it up with Gas money and little gifts. I cannot believe my luck on this one. She's beautiful with an awesome body and great personality. Just wanted someone to break up the boredom and give her a good screw 2 to 3 times a week. Unfortunately we cannot go to her place because of kids, so I still have hotel bills, but the sex has been great! I'm still averaging about $100-$150 per date. But one date, right after giving her $150 the day before, I gave her nothing and all was well. Then gave her more funds on the next date.

After being in the DC area for so long, I'm getting shocked by some of the prices in other places. I've gotten women in Alabama, Ohio, St. Louis and Texas to agree to between $500-$800 a month to see them 2 to 3 times a week with their own place. I need to move. In most cases that amount pays the rent and relieves a big burden off their plates, resulting in an embarrassment of SD pussy riches. At $500 per month seeing someone 3 times a week, I would not need another one and I could still give gifts without even getting close to the budget. So fellas expand your range some and you may hit a goldmine instead of gold digger.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=HoundI81;2630625]I search their number in FB, Google and any college directory if they say they are attending. Not sure of any other searches. I like to make sure I am dealing with a non-pro, unless of course I am in the mood for a UTR.

Hound.[/QUOTE]Yeah preferably I like to deal with non pros most of the time. Either I seem to attract them, or there are a lot on the site. I don't know.

Thanks for the info. So you must be getting their last name to look them up on FB and other sites. I typically don't ask their last name. I guess I should start. The only one I was able to check was my model baby, but that was only because she offered it. I don't use FB, so that's out for me. I guess I should open an account, just so I can do a little background checking.

[QUOTE=HoundI81;2630177]I prefer to play with SB's but my area (SW VA) is not the gold mine some of you guys have. Typically with a SB you can find information on line about them. FB, college profile, etc. All linked to their cell phone. Once I can no longer find their info with a cell number search, I assume they have crossed over to UTR / Escort. I don't dump them from the stable immediately, but I do start looking for a replacement.

Anyone else like to keep ongoing tabs on their babies? Any other tips besides internet searches or a particular type of search?

Hound.[/QUOTE]I see a lot of gilsl, so figure it is only fair. Actually I started with Escorts and have worked my way back to SB's. Most of the girls I still see are BP girls,. I noticed in my town several old BP girsl from last year have made the move to SA and actually upped their rates. Business is business I guess. LOL.

I have been out of the thread a few weeks. All is going well for me. I have narrowed the field to two babies and let my SA account lapse.

My main SB is the 20 YO columbian nursing student. Smoking hot. Holy shit, I can hardly keep up. We meet weekly for 4 hours of fuckfest. She likes to be dominated.

Secondary is a 28 yo divorcee. Also smoking hot and kinky. She was a camgirl and now has moved to SA. See her every other week for an hour or two.

I also continue to see my stable of regular BP girls to till in any gaps. Meaning when I have an opening and $$ burning a hole in my pocket. I've spent a year vetting 9 regs on BP and stick with them now.

Life is good. .

I usually don't get a last name either. Do the searches with their cell number. You can search FB with a cell number. A lot of the time it pulls their profile.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2631854]Yeah preferably I like to deal with non pros most of the time. Either I seem to attract them, or there are a lot on the site. I don't know.

Thanks for the info. So you must be getting their last name to look them up on FB and other sites. I typically don't ask their last name. I guess I should start. The only one I was able to check was my model baby, but that was only because she offered it. I don't use FB, so that's out for me. I guess I should open an account, just so I can do a little background checking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoundI81;2631876]I usually don't get a last name either. Do the searches with their cell number. You can search FB with a cell number. A lot of the time it pulls their profile.[/QUOTE]I'm going to have to quit procrastinating and open a FB account just for the ability to verify what babies are telling me.

Check out the sugar baby thread index for tips on how to set one up. Lots of good information in that thread.

Hound.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2632661]I'm going to have to quit procrastinating and open a FB account just for the ability to verify what babies are telling me.[/QUOTE]

I noticed that if I go through the SA app, I get an upgrade option for 7 days for $34.99 and some other options, like 28 days for $99.99.

If you are on a PC, you get a 30-day option fro $79.00. You don't get a 7-day option.

Anyone notice this discrepancy?

I am amazed at how readily they let you know their personal info. Part of it is generational, some of it is dopiness / naivetee.

This one DC gal works on capitol hill, told me her real first name and what state she was from. When you only have two senators and one congressman in your state, it takes all of 5 minutes to go to LinkedIn to find her real name, which leads to FB and tons of verifiable photos and other details.

In her case, I think its just being naive, but I have had plenty of others make it so easy to find them and they really don't seem to care.

[QUOTE=HoundI81;2633186]Check out the sugar baby thread index for tips on how to set one up. Lots of good information in that thread.

Hound.[/QUOTE]Yep I've been through the index many times.

It's not that I don't know how to set one up, it is more of procrastinating.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2633609]I am amazed at how readily they let you know their personal info. Part of it is generational, some of it is dopiness / naivetee.

This one DC gal works on capitol hill, told me her real first name and what state she was from. When you only have two senators and one congressman in your state, it takes all of 5 minutes to go to LinkedIn to find her real name, which leads to FB and tons of verifiable photos and other details.

In her case, I think its just being naive, but I have had plenty of others make it so easy to find them and they really don't seem to care.[/QUOTE]I can recall a few instances where SB's called for a drivers license exchange. I wasn't opposed to it. This only happened with SB M&G's that had chemistry. I suppose the girls that did the DL exchange were probably thinking long-term. I really didn't see a risk in exchanging info with a girl that's been vetted and is looking for a standard SB / SD type of relationship.

I only had one SB date where I had to be an investigator. She had a cell phone disguise app and other fake names. Her vibe screamed shady. I eventually confronted her about the shadiness and she gave me her real name. I googled her and found that she had an assault charges and a couple DUi's. She was only 21. I kept it cool and didn't judge. She eventually opened up and allowed me to pick her up from her parent's home. This particular connection ended prematurely. I was new to The Bowl and was looking for freebies. We spent one night together in a hotel. She was on her cycle and only gave me a couple of blowjobs and I drove her home the next morning. She's still in my contact list. I could see giving her a call if I'm pressed in the future.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2633609]I am amazed at how readily they let you know their personal info. Part of it is generational, some of it is dopiness / naivetee. This one DC gal works on capitol hill, told me her real first name and what state she was from. When you only have two senators and one congressman in your state, it takes all of 5 minutes to go to LinkedIn to find her real name, which leads to FB and tons of verifiable photos and other details. In her case, I think its just being naive, but I have had plenty of others make it so easy to find them and they really don't seem to care.[/QUOTE]There are many girls that perceive "sugar baby" as it tends to be represented in this thread -- sort of an upscale version and perhaps less risky form of escorting. They might be elusive about things like their last name, they might have multiple phone numbers and e-mail (burner phone, etc).

But what has gotten sparse coverage in this thread (I should say it's actually received a lot of resistance) is that a lot of girls perceive the idea of "sugar baby" as something very different, and something that does not remotely resemble prostitution. Sugar daddy sites have been represented in the media as a way for beautiful women to meet guys who are successful / a cut above the "regular guy" they might meet in regular dating who might have a mess of a life -- problems with money or problems even holding a job, etc. Most hot women don't have a problem with the idea of dating someone older, particularly if there is a level of perceived "financial security" that goes along with it.

So, for the category of women I've just described, there is no shame whatsoever in looking for a "sugar daddy". Some of them will even post publicly on FB about it, let it be known to their mom / dad / siblings, etc. They figure they are doing nothing wrong or illegal, and that dating a wealthy guy is something to be proud of. In their minds it is no more prostitution than just marrying up in money. This probably explains what you describe about girls that don't care to protect their anonymity. If they are only seeking a boyfriend, why be concerned with anonymity? They probably feel the biggest risk is that of encountering a clingy stalker-type, and they probably see that risk as lower with a SD type compared to what they would have to deal with if dating on [URL]match.com[/URL] or whatever.

USASG though is fundamentally a monger forum, and therefore I think there will be a monger bias on any discussions that take place here. I don't think many folks here are interested in discussing the SB culture I've just described. Even the admin has discouraged discussing this category of SBs.

I've met SBs that would be pretty much horrified if they saw how they are regarded here in this thread, or grouped in the same category as the pay-per-date type.. lol

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2634368]
But what has gotten sparse coverage in this thread (I should say it's actually received a lot of resistance) is that a lot of girls perceive the idea of "sugar baby" as something very different, and something that does not remotely resemble prostitution. Sugar daddy sites have been represented in the media as a way for beautiful women to meet guys who are successful / a cut above the "regular guy" they might meet in regular dating who might have a mess of a life -- problems with money or problems even holding a job, etc. Most hot women don't have a problem with the idea of dating someone older, particularly if there is a level of perceived "financial security" that goes along with it.
[/QUOTE]I'd say this pretty much covers most of the SBs I have met in the past few months.

Basically -- they don't consider themselves escorts because they CHOOSE whom they sleep with and IF they sleep with them.

I have mainly seen SBs in my travels, and I make it very clear it is one time / ione night deal unless I return to their cities. You can call it pay per date or p4 p, but they very much see it as a nice date and high probability of fun. This also takes considerable up front investment of messaging and even calling to establish the chemistry that normally is checked on a M&G. Even then, the drinks need to lead to dinner (or room service if things go really well) and then to dessert.

Most 20 sometings are going out and hooking up with the hottest person they meet at the party / bar a couple of times a month.

To paraphrase Dennis Miller about Monica -- think of all the assholes you are going to blow in your life and have nothing to show for it. If you have a chance to blow the President (or a guy who will pay your rent this month) and its not against your will, go for it!

JL said it -two types 1) UTR "almost"escort and 2) Princess who "knows her worth". That excludes the out and out escorts who are here as well. Why not? What better place to find clients than a Sugar site. I have pursued SBs who I thought were looking for a Daddy like me, but who I found on Monger sites. Right now I have talked to at least 4 in my area who are obviously OK with one time PTP.

Right now I found a 10/10 Model who is a #2 --she came across blatantly as an hourly worker who has no compunction about a one time meet. I have mixed feelings about seeing her. On one hand she is a super model asking 2 X what I normally pay, but I am tempted to give her a try. But in the end I would rather bang a 7/7 twice than a 10 once. And I guarantee she will have an attitude. She is phenomenal looking for sure. Don't know yet what I will do. In the end pussy is pussy.

Got a new SB 22 who is down with my budget and weekly meet. My previous one had to take a break due to health issues. It's nice to have a fresh one to explore. She is much more sexually expressive which I like and ranks as a 7/7. 5/8/8 . I could have 3 or 4 now, but don't have the $$ for it right now.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2634368]
But what has gotten sparse coverage in this thread (I should say it's actually received a lot of resistance) is that a lot of girls perceive the idea of "sugar baby" as something very different, and something that does not remotely resemble prostitution. Sugar daddy sites have been represented in the media as a way for beautiful women to meet guys who are successful / a cut above the "regular guy" they might meet in regular dating who might have a mess of a life -- problems with money or problems even holding a job, etc. Most hot women don't have a problem with the idea of dating someone older, particularly if there is a level of perceived "financial security" that goes along with it.
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USASG though is fundamentally a monger forum, and therefore I think there will be a monger bias on any discussions that take place here. I don't think many folks here are interested in discussing the SB culture I've just described. Even the admin has discouraged discussing this category of SBs.

I've met SBs that would be pretty much horrified if they saw how they are regarded here in this thread, or grouped in the same category as the pay-per-date type.. lol[/QUOTE]This is the type of sugar baby I look for. Someone you can trust and have a real relationship with. With this type of girl, I really enjoy helping and spoiling. I am starting to think there might be a shelf life to this type of relationship though. Trust is so easily gained with me, and so hard to build back once its destroyed. It might be time for me to fill the bench and start interviewing for the one.

Cb.