"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

My SB -really an UTR -has missed a few weekly meets due to scheduling issues. So I will give her a guarantee catch up so she can count on a set amount of sugar / month. If she is not desperate then maybe she won't make bad decisions and get into hooking. But I won't go so far as paying her no matter what. I DO NOT trust her-or any SB -to honor the arrangement. I've been burned so many times. It is like that definition of insanity -right? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. They can't help their larcenous selves. Pussy for guys is like that. Money for girls does it for them. I will NEVER advance $$ again! They get behind and instead of putting up--or out--and maintaining good will, they take the $ and run. How short sighted and stupid some of them are. The thieves who have done that to me could have maintained the agreement and kept a good payor in the loop. Even now I would call some of them for an occasion appointment -and they would be that much richer -not to mention actually have a good time. Who wouldn't like to have a guy they can call when they need a $$ -in return for a roll in the hay. It doesn't make sense.

I know what you are thinking. Big, fat, gross, sloppy guy who they are disgusted to be in the presence of. Not so. Definitely decades older which might be repelling to a young girl, but the other things are all good. Go figure. Thanks for listening. I don't need to see my shrink this week LOL.

Back to the search.

Greetings fellow mongers. I did not see this section of the USASG site until now. I have been wondering if a discussion thread existed. I have been active on the SA site for a bit over two months now. It has been fruitful insofar as I have had a lot of good encounters. Briefly my experience is as follows: Lots of messaging to set up a date, frequent no- shows, some are not-as-advertised-- BUT generally pics are accurate; when I did find SB, usually was a good encounter. Has cost me shit tons of money, but once all is said and done, I have been able to find several in RVA that are good-quality GFE, willing to do whatever at or near the upper end of BP girl pricing. I currently have a couple on "retainer" . I also have a fellow monger on the site and we exchange information. This has been highly useful. Generally, we are looking for "per visit" girls. Prices have varied, and I am sure I have paid too much, but am learning that good quality is out there for a reasonable price, if you are willing to take the time to sort the SB out. I wish you all well with your monger-related activities and will be following this thread.

I too, tire of the pussy. Even if it hot and highly skilled. I just see another and have to have it. The Lord Buddha was right, lust is the same as a thirsty man drinking salt water. His thirst only grows. But for now, this is my fate. It appears I have been paying too much. My fellow monger (and SB enthusiast) told me as much. Firstly, I don't want to overpay and secondly, I don't want to distort the price curve here in the RVA. Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2625439]My budget is pretty steady at 150 per meet with the exception of the 22 yr old model babe who is coming in at 250, and she is willing to drive to me, which cuts down on my hotel bill when she does that. She is perfectly willing to drive three hours as well as I am. I wouldn't do that for just anyone, but I like her. Not only is she physically appealing, but she also is intelligent (recent undergrad and verified by me), but polite and not selfish. And is also willing to please. All around nice girl.

I don't have a hard monthly budget as of yet.

Good point and that is what is kind of happening. I have my information out there, but I really don't want to close, because time is keeping me from seeing all of them, but I would like to keep them on the back burner though.

I do like the thrill of fucking new pussy, so today I might say I'm content, but next week or month I might start to get tired of the same pussy even though the model and the model type girls are hot. I do know that from being married to a hot Asian for 2 1/2 years, but living together for five that pussy can get old no matter how hot the woman is. That is just my feeling on the situation, so it won't surprise me if I get back to dabbling in the bowl after awhile.

I have the 33 yr old writer, but with our schedules I see so little of her I can't really say she is in my lineup. I haven't yet cut loose the Senior and Asian Grad student.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MikeJones1962;2625825]Greetings fellow mongers. I did not see this section of the USASG site until now. I have been wondering if a discussion thread existed. I have been active on the SA site for a bit over two months now. It has been fruitful insofar as I have had a lot of good encounters. Briefly my experience is as follows: Lots of messaging to set up a date, frequent no- shows, some are not-as-advertised-- BUT generally pics are accurate; when I did find SB, usually was a good encounter. Has cost me shit tons of money, but once all is said and done, I have been able to find several in RVA that are good-quality GFE, willing to do whatever at or near the upper end of BP girl pricing. I currently have a couple on "retainer" . I also have a fellow monger on the site and we exchange information. This has been highly useful. Generally, we are looking for "per visit" girls. Prices have varied, and I am sure I have paid too much, but am learning that good quality is out there for a reasonable price, if you are willing to take the time to sort the SB out. I wish you all well with your monger-related activities and will be following this thread.[/QUOTE]Welcome to our group Mike. I would suggest you take some time and read thru the thread and absorb what has been posted here. It will not only save you hobby dollars, but it will help you hone your negotiating skills with the SB's and refine your search methods. Lots of really good information here. Good luck.

This was what a baby said she was looking for below. Nothing like an "oh by the way" moment.

"I'm a dreamer, explorer, and a tad bit of a slacker. New experiences thrill me while monotony bores me. I adore food, art, and a good man who knows how to take charge. The people I encounter in life that appreciate nature, crypto currency, and enjoys the eccentric earns bonus points. I am HIV positive so if you are also that +++".

I went on SA tonight, and when I got to the second POT I saved as a favorite, I had to remind myself to stop. I was supposed to cool it for awhile, and enjoy the babies I have in play. This literally is an addiction.

On a side note I was supposed to go and meet my 22 yr old model tomorrow. I couldn't book the hotel in the city we meet in, because the hotels were all booked. I found one outside the city, but it would require her to drive an extra 50 minutes, after driving only 30 minutes. She didn't want to do it, and wanted to just meet next Wednesday that we planned ahead prior, but that was the day she was to drive to me. Now she was balking at that and wanted more money to do that. She went on the mention again that she used to get $1000 to make a two hour drive and suggested that to me LOL. I told her that we'll keep our deal to the town I meet her in, but the frequency would probably go down, but we'll see how it plays out.

I can tell you how it is going to play out. I will get my fill a little longer, then cut her loose at some point. There are too many babies out there that I can get for $150 per meeting and they're happy with it. My little 23 yr old model type jumped at the chance to take the model's place tomorrow, so it worked out in my favor at the end of the day.

As much as I love my model baby I still have "walk away power", but first let me indulge a few more times.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2627509]I went on SA tonight, and when I got to the second POT I saved as a favorite, I had to remind myself to stop. I was supposed to cool it for awhile, and enjoy the babies I have in play. This literally is an addiction.

On a side note I was supposed to go and meet my 22 yr old model tomorrow. I couldn't book the hotel in the city we meet in, because the hotels were all booked. I found one outside the city, but it would require her to drive an extra 50 minutes, after driving only 30 minutes. She didn't want to do it, and wanted to just meet next Wednesday that we planned ahead prior, but that was the day she was to drive to me. Now she was balking at that and wanted more money to do that. She went on the mention again that she used to get $1000 to make a two hour drive and suggested that to me LOL. I told her that we'll keep our deal to the town I meet her in, but the frequency would probably go down, but we'll see how it plays out.

I can tell you how it is going to play out. I will get my fill a little longer, then cut her loose at some point. There are too many babies out there that I can get for $150 per meeting and they're happy with it. My little 23 yr old model type jumped at the chance to take the model's place tomorrow, so it worked out in my favor at the end of the day.

As much as I love my model baby I still have "walk away power", but first let me indulge a few more times.[/QUOTE]Sometimes the hunt is just as much fun as the sex. Well, maybe not as much fun but there is definitely a thrill involved. The way I see it though, as long as you're staying within your budget who cares if you're banging a new girl every week or just your stable of regulars? If it ends up costing you the same amount, I say go for it.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2625439]My budget is pretty steady at 150 per meet with the exception of the 22 yr old model babe who is coming in at 250, and she is willing to drive to me, which cuts down on my hotel bill when she does that. She is perfectly willing to drive three hours as well as I am. I wouldn't do that for just anyone, but I like her. Not only is she physically appealing, but she also is intelligent (recent undergrad and verified by me), but polite and not selfish. And is also willing to please. All around nice girl.

I don't have a hard monthly budget as of yet.

Good point and that is what is kind of happening. I have my information out there, but I really don't want to close, because time is keeping me from seeing all of them, but I would like to keep them on the back burner though.

I do like the thrill of fucking new pussy, so today I might say I'm content, but next week or month I might start to get tired of the same pussy even though the model and the model type girls are hot. I do know that from being married to a hot Asian for 2 1/2 years, but living together for five that pussy can get old no matter how hot the woman is. That is just my feeling on the situation, so it won't surprise me if I get back to dabbling in the bowl after awhile.

I have the 33 yr old writer, but with our schedules I see so little of her I can't really say she is in my lineup. I haven't yet cut loose the Senior and Asian Grad student.[/QUOTE]I burnt out on new pussy on The Bowl a few months ago. It wasn't so much the sex, but the stuff that goes along with it. I couldn't manage to deal with so many young personalities. I can say that the bowl has made me an "alpha" as opposed to a beta.

I have a consistent SB that I adore and we're having a crack at monogamy. I have no urge to chat because the sex is fabulous. I call her vagina the "super soaker". I love this girl with all my heart, but I can tell you that knowing that the bowl and renewing my SA subscription is only a click away I wouldn't be too heartbroken if she screwed up. For now, I'm enjoying the ride and have no complaints.

On a sidenote, narrowing down to one SB has significantly cut down on expenses. We may do a trip to the mall and she'll spend maybe $500 in one trip. It averages out much cheaper than multiple M&Gs, dinner and hotels like when I first started.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2628389]
On a sidenote, narrowing down to one SB has significantly cut down on expenses. We may do a trip to the mall and she'll spend maybe $500 in one trip. It averages out much cheaper than multiple M&Gs, dinner and hotels like when I first started.[/QUOTE]I can definitely see this happening when I slow down. As well as I get along with my 23 yo model like baby I can't see being monogamous with someone that much younger than I, however I am feeling that she might be getting closer to me in a girlfriend kind of way.

I do get along with this one quite well. She is laid back and easy to get along with. Her attitude and manners are at a high level also. She's not demanding at all, which makes me want to do things for her.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2628698]I can definitely see this happening when I slow down. As well as I get along with my 23 yo model like baby I can't see being monogamous with someone that much younger than I, however I am feeling that she might be getting closer to me in a girlfriend kind of way.

I do get along with this one quite well. She is laid back and easy to get along with. Her attitude and manners are at a high level also. She's not demanding at all, which makes me want to do things for her.[/QUOTE]I prefer that type of relationship with the SB. I think that's when you really benefit from the arrangement.

It helps that my SB has a submissive personality. She pouts at times, and loves crawling in my arms. She's a true "sugar BABY". Emphasis on baby. When I'm distant and unengaged I realized something. The more I refrain from trying to jump her bones, the more she works to get closer. It's become a great little game to play.

Early on I gave her more $, paid some expenses or took her shopping. Lately, I've noticed that giving gifts lends better results. It doesn't have to be too expensive, just presented nicely and as a subtle surprise. Nothing too dramatic. The last time I've done this was with a simple $80 bracelet, it resulted in her changing into one of my dress shirts and sitting on my lap with no panties. She inserts me inside and I could tell the difference immediately. It wasn't so much the wetness, but it was a moist heated massage oil type of texture. There were times I had to pull out because I wasn't sure I ejaculated or not.

That's the difference with focusing on one SB. Once you start spending quality time and understanding what makes her tick everything about it gets better. It's like opening up a Pandora's box. I'd say that the experiences after investing months of time with one baby payoff hugely in the long-term.

Perhaps, there should be a study on the dynamics of the bowl. I can't believe how many guys are miserable out there. This is better than therapy. It is quite the addiction when juggling multiple SB's. There definitely were instances when I had to check myself and stop cold turkey.

Managing one SB suits me well for now. My only problem lately is I've been seeing regular girls as SBs are them innately wanting SD / SB type relationships. It's created a magnetism I suppose because I've noticed girls have been more open to me approaching them and chatting me up. I'm still not tempted to play the field just yet. It's mainly because my SB / GF / SO vagina is still hot. It's muy es fuego actually. I'll update the bros when it starts to simmer down.

Said perfectly. One SB to GF to SO.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2628887]
That's the difference with focusing on one SB. Once you start spending quality time and understanding what makes her tick everything about it gets better. It's like opening up a Pandora's box. I'd say that the experiences after investing months of time with one baby payoff hugely in the long-term.

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[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2628887]I prefer that type of relationship with the SB. I think that's when you really benefit from the arrangement.

It helps that my SB has a submissive personality. She pouts at times, and loves crawling in my arms. She's a true "sugar BABY". Emphasis on baby. When I'm distant and unengaged I realized something. The more I refrain from trying to jump her bones, the more she works to get closer. It's become a great little game to play.

Early on I gave her more $, paid some expenses or took her shopping. Lately, I've noticed that giving gifts lends better results. It doesn't have to be too expensive, just presented nicely and as a subtle surprise. Nothing too dramatic. The last time I've done this was with a simple $80 bracelet, it resulted in her changing into one of my dress shirts and sitting on my lap with no panties. She inserts me inside and I could tell the difference immediately. It wasn't so much the wetness, but it was a moist heated massage oil type of texture. There were times I had to pull out because I wasn't sure I ejaculated or not.

That's the difference with focusing on one SB. Once you start spending quality time and understanding what makes her tick everything about it gets better. It's like opening up a Pandora's box. I'd say that the experiences after investing months of time with one baby payoff hugely in the long-term.

Perhaps, there should be a study on the dynamics of the bowl. I can't believe how many guys are miserable out there. This is better than therapy. It is quite the addiction when juggling multiple SB's. There definitely were instances when I had to check myself and stop cold turkey.

Managing one SB suits me well for now. My only problem lately is I've been seeing regular girls as SBs are them innately wanting SD / SB type relationships. It's created a magnetism I suppose because I've noticed girls have been more open to me approaching them and chatting me up. I'm still not tempted to play the field just yet. It's mainly because my SB / GF / SO vagina is still hot. It's muy es fuego actually. I'll update the bros when it starts to simmer down.[/QUOTE]Well said Hoya.

I would agree with your submissive term. That is how my baby is, and likes to crawl in my arms as well.

The other thing is that she is quite inexperienced in many areas. One would say she's been sheltered, but in her case more of a product of a broken family where she's had to work hard to make ends meet. I don't know the whole story yet, but probably will down the road. She hasn't been to or seen many things. I am working on getting her to take off work, so I can take her to California to see a few things for about 8 or 9 days.

I'm enjoying taking care of this baby. We'll see how it plays out, but the early returns are promising.

I prefer to play with SB's but my area (SW VA) is not the gold mine some of you guys have. Typically with a SB you can find information on line about them. FB, college profile, etc. All linked to their cell phone. Once I can no longer find their info with a cell number search, I assume they have crossed over to UTR / Escort. I don't dump them from the stable immediately, but I do start looking for a replacement.

Anyone else like to keep ongoing tabs on their babies? Any other tips besides internet searches or a particular type of search?

Hound.

[QUOTE=HoundI81;2630177]I prefer to play with SB's but my area (SW VA) is not the gold mine some of you guys have. Typically with a SB you can find information on line about them. FB, college profile, etc. All linked to their cell phone. Once I can no longer find their info with a cell number search, I assume they have crossed over to UTR / Escort. I don't dump them from the stable immediately, but I do start looking for a replacement.

Anyone else like to keep ongoing tabs on their babies? Any other tips besides internet searches or a particular type of search?

Hound.[/QUOTE]What type of cell phone search do you use?

I search their number in FB, Google and any college directory if they say they are attending. Not sure of any other searches. I like to make sure I am dealing with a non-pro, unless of course I am in the mood for a UTR.

Hound.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2630401]What type of cell phone search do you use?[/QUOTE]