Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Elbicho1;1999963]Well this is a free site anyone could come here and read what's being said. I am sure there is cops here also which I don't give a fuck about. I am sure they hit the AMP too and if there is other people visiting the AMP they should wait their turn after all you pay the hour feed right. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]I.

LOL, yeah you're right about the other people they should wait their turn (those are the ones, you don't have to give a fuck about though). What if you were a provider at one of those AMP's, do you think you'd come check out what we were saying about you? What about if you were an owner of one of these places or maybe an ms, would you come here and read what's being said about you or your establishment? Chances are they'll feel the same as you, whatever your answer is.

[QUOTE=BPittsburg;1999558]They are using some asian branded condoms. Small, red ones. Sometimes the providers refer to them as Japanese condoms, but I doubt that they are Japanese-made condoms. That would be too expensive for them. There is a place in the Ward area where they purchase them by the box load (12"x12"x12" box size). For those who provide larger condoms, it is usually Magnum or Trojan. I have seen them open the wrapper enough times to know about this one.[/QUOTE]Alot of places use the CROWN condoms. One provider told me this is for the little fellas (LOL). I'm a magnum man so I bring my own. Crown's too tight (lol).

[QUOTE=Goser;1999507]Anyone know anything about Meisha? She has an ad on backpage using the old Sunflower telephone number and is in CC. Nice pictures. Says photos are real. Filipina girl. Has TER ID but I checked out the TER number and it is not her.[/QUOTE]Brother Vegas says they posted a type for her TER ID. They updated it and I checked out her ad as posted on TER. She wants 5 bills. I'd only do a real porn star for that much dough.

[QUOTE=Atmatic123;2000238]This topic came up a while ago but forgot what the verdict was. Basically when does the timer start, is it when you pay the mama for the room or is it when the girl enters? I've actually never had a full hour I think the only time I did was with Chanel at 7. All other times I say it ranges from 40-45 min? Also seems like the time starts as soon as I enter the room. Also do the girls tell the mama to knock? I swear everytime they leave the room to get a hot towel as soon as they get back 5 min after the knock comes BS!! Another thing to when the enter the room why do they always leave this annoys the fuck out of me too I've had some providers enter and then leave for what seems like 10 fucking min. Once I was waiting in the room for 10 min the provider came in greeted me and then left for what seemed like another 5-10 min, fuck that was like almost 20 min!! Also so many of the mamas are bitches, only Chanel at kison and the one mama at roses were really nice, all others I've encountered damn *****![/QUOTE]If you feel you got less service due to time, reflect it in your tip. If they ask why, explain it to them. Guarantee next time they don't take so long.

If you pay upfront, then tell them to hurry back...and discuss this when you finish, if you want to repeat with them.

[QUOTE=Atmatic123;2000238] Also so many of the mamas are bitches, only Chanel at kison and the one mama at roses were really nice, all others I've encountered damn *****![/QUOTE]I have had the opposite experience of yours. They are selling their product, the girls, when I go there. It is all smiles and cursory questions leading me into the room. She then displays her wares (if more than one girl is available) and then it is a quiet nod when I leave. The only negative experience I had with a mama was at Aloha TLC a little while ago. She led me to the room and asked for the house fee, at which time I asked for a line up first. She starting asking me why and I just politely asked if I could see who the massage girl was. 5 minutes later this older woman (late 50's early 60's) entered wearing lingerie. She wasn't a MILF. She was an older woman in underwear. I indicated I was looking for someone shorter (an excuse I use when not finding a provider I accept. I find it not as insulting as "looking for someone younger" or "looking for someone who weighs less than me") and I got up and left. As I was walking out, both the mama and the mama's older sister began harassing me and telling me I was banned from their fine establishment.

Other than that experience though, my mama experience has been rather pleasant. If you are disgruntled over the overall mamas experience, check out Ivy at Empire, I have yet to partake. Some close encounters but time has been slipping through my fingers lately. But in reading the threads, she appears to be a class act.

I wish you better luck than what you have been having.

[QUOTE=BPittsburg;2000683]If you feel you got less service due to time, reflect it in your tip.[/QUOTE]Imagine if all the mongers followed this advice.

How many of you mongers are known to either the mamas or the provider as being reviewers on this board. In other words, when you walk in the door, do they know they are going to be reviewed. Like when a food critic goes into a restaurant and is recognized and gets better service, does the provider turn up her game? Also how do they find out? If the service is better if you are a reviewer, why hasn't anybody made t-shirts or name tags saying "Provider Inspector #102" or issued press passes to regular members of this board.

Just wondering about the whole process of having a provider know who you are because I have NEVER been asked if I write for this site or other sites.

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I had some bad experience at that place especially with the cranky mama there. But I love tall slim Chinese. Anyone have any 411 on Grace. Pic shown she has a tall slim sexy body. PM me if you wishes.[/QUOTE]Mahalo for the PM 411 brothers, great helps!

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[QUOTE=Atmatic123;2000238]This topic came up a while ago but forgot what the verdict was. Basically when does the timer start, is it when you pay the mama for the room or is it when the girl enters? I've actually never had a full hour I think the only time I did was with Chanel at 7. All other times I say it ranges from 40-45 min? Also seems like the time starts as soon as I enter the room. Also do the girls tell the mama to knock? I swear everytime they leave the room to get a hot towel as soon as they get back 5 min after the knock comes BS!! Another thing to when the enter the room why do they always leave this annoys the fuck out of me too I've had some providers enter and then leave for what seems like 10 fucking min. Once I was waiting in the room for 10 min the provider came in greeted me and then left for what seemed like another 5-10 min, fuck that was like almost 20 min!! Also so many of the mamas are bitches, only Chanel at kison and the one mama at roses were really nice, all others I've encountered damn *****![/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure most of you go to movies. You pay the standard fee and go in to watch the movie you choose. Some movies are 3 hours some are 90 minutes. Some are so good you stay till the end of credits while some movies are so bad you walk out 15 minutes into movie. - No refund.

Sometimes you go out to eat, this time it may be Graces Drive In, play for your order, get your meal and walk away from the counter to eat. Sometimes you go to a place like Alan Wong, etc, sitdown, drinks, appetizer, main course, dessert, get the bill and pay a. Tip, discretion on percentage. I've walking in with people that had a bad attitude going into the resturant and the server felt the vibe and the service was shitty, while other times going into the resturant with a great attitude and the service was excellent. And who in their right mind would pay the tip before receiving to food.

HF doesn't nessesaraily mean 1 hour in the room. Tips depends on the customer although basic tipping is 1.4 - 1.6 (something like basic food tips at 15%) sometimes tip more, sometimes tip less. It depends.

[QUOTE=Atmatic123;2000238]This topic came up a while ago but forgot what the verdict was. Basically when does the timer start, is it when you pay the mama for the room or is it when the girl enters? I've actually never had a full hour I think the only time I did was with Chanel at 7. All other times I say it ranges from 40-45 min? Also seems like the time starts as soon as I enter the room. Also do the girls tell the mama to knock? I swear everytime they leave the room to get a hot towel as soon as they get back 5 min after the knock comes BS!! Another thing to when the enter the room why do they always leave this annoys the fuck out of me too I've had some providers enter and then leave for what seems like 10 fucking min. Once I was waiting in the room for 10 min the provider came in greeted me and then left for what seemed like another 5-10 min, fuck that was like almost 20 min!! Also so many of the mamas are bitches, only Chanel at kison and the one mama at roses were really nice, all others I've encountered damn *****![/QUOTE]You ever been to Empire? Ivy is a really good mama. I don't think I've ever been shorted on time in the 10 or so times I went. They also just got in a bunch of new girls.

[QUOTE=Honolulu808;2000744]I'm pretty sure most of you go to movies. You pay the standard fee and go in to watch the movie you choose. Some movies are 3 hours some are 90 minutes. Some are so good you stay till the end of credits while some movies are so bad you walk out 15 minutes into movie. - No refund.

Sometimes you go out to eat, this time it may be Graces Drive In, play for your order, get your meal and walk away from the counter to eat. Sometimes you go to a place like Alan Wong, etc, sitdown, drinks, appetizer, main course, dessert, get the bill and pay a. Tip, discretion on percentage. I've walking in with people that had a bad attitude going into the resturant and the server felt the vibe and the service was shitty, while other times going into the resturant with a great attitude and the service was excellent. And who in their right mind would pay the tip before receiving to food.

HF doesn't nessesaraily mean 1 hour in the room. Tips depends on the customer although basic tipping is 1.4 - 1.6 (something like basic food tips at 15%) sometimes tip more, sometimes tip less. It depends.[/QUOTE]Perfect explanation! Thank you sir.

[QUOTE=Honolulu808;2000744]HF doesn't nessesaraily mean 1 hour in the room. Tips depends on the customer although basic tipping is 1.4 - 1.6 (something like basic food tips at 15%) sometimes tip more, sometimes tip less. It depends.[/QUOTE]Hi H808... If I may, I do understand the point you intend to make, but I have to respectfully disagree. I don't feel that you can compare AMP services to a restaurant because it is not a restaurant. It is what it is... A massage parlor where you go for "service." That is like comparing apples to oranges.

(*added after initial post) When you go to a movie, you know beforehand how long the movie is that you paid for, or, at the very least, you expect to see the full movie, and not have it end early. Or, when you go to a restaurant, you order off of a menu. You expect to get the full meal, and not have the chef or server only give you 50 to 75% of the meal... or 3/4 through your meal have the server or manager say, "you must leave now," whether you are finished or not.

You pay the mama house fee for one hour (that has always been the case) and you pay the girl for the service. The tip is understood to be within the range you specified. However, there are some variables--It has always been the case that if you the customer pops early, then it is up to the girl to offer you an extra pop for free or for an extra fee. However, one thing is "not" a variable, and that is the time in the room. Is it to be one full hour, no if, ands or buts. If you come early, then the girl at the very least can fill the time with a massage.

That is my understanding that was explained to me by the mamas when I first started mongering. The time is the room is one hour. Everything else is between you and the girl.

If the girl lives up to her end of the bargain by providing the service, then the tip follows the scale 50/10/150 for HJ/BJ/FS respectively with either two pops or massage service to fill out the hour. But, if the mama and or the girl usher you out early against your wishes, then you can either request part of the house fee back and adjust your tip, or if mama won't budge, adjust your tip. It is the only option we have left.

I'm sorry, but there is a standard of service and time that we "all" know is the norm. If the establishment doesn't live up to this, the system breaks down.

Just my thoughts on the subject. No disrespect. Anyone else's thoughts on this?

I really wish they would do it like they do in the Bangkok parlors. The way they do it is charge a flat fee for the service--1500 baht. Then you pay for your time--300/500/800 baht for 1/1.5/2 hours respectfully. The interesting part is that the tip to the girl is the same... Now, honestly, I have no problem increasing their fee somewhat also, but maybe by 20-25% max. Anyway, no matter how much time you prepay for, the rules are the same... You fuck, fuck, fuck 'til the bell rings! I went there and to two other establishments for a total of 8 times during my week there. There was never a session less than 2 pops, and in one case 4 pops. Most were 3 pops. All times though, it was up to me how many times I could go

So, my point is that they have a set menu of services and times with flat fees and no YMMV cases.

(Edited out some stuff that I should include in the "Trip Planning" thread.)

[QUOTE=ChibiMonger;2000750]You ever been to Empire? Ivy is a really good mama. I don't think I've ever been shorted on time in the 10 or so times I went. They also just got in a bunch of new girls.[/QUOTE]Because Ivy understands that it is understood that we all expect an hour.

[QUOTE=HypoLuxa;2000790]Because Ivy understands that it is understood that we all expect an hour.[/QUOTE]It is not always the case for one hour. I had have cranky mama Candy at Asia Spa impolitely threw my BVD at me in a session, she told me the session is pau and it's time to go. I swear the actual time she was in the room with me was no more than 20 minutes. So if you were getting actual 40 minutes time spend in a session, you should be pretty satisfied.

I agree with Hypo. The house fee is to rent the room for 1 hour (no less). It is the provider's job to fill the hour with whatever it is you want. Even YMMV girls are supposed to do things like massage afterwards, chit chat, etc...something to fill the time. If they try to usher you out, then tell them, your time is not up yet. They know.

Also, I understand that MS will knock on the door to "remind" you that it is almost time. You need time to get dressed or rinse off, whatever. But it is annoying when they do it 20 minutes early and the girl says time's up. Just tell them "no, it's not. I still have 20 minutes left." That is just bad customer service. That is why I love Empire so much. Even Tokyo Spa didn't knock during the daytime (I don't know about at night).

[QUOTE=HypoLuxa;2000763]Hi H808... If I may, I do understand the point you intend to make, but I have to respectfully disagree. I don't feel that you can compare AMP services to a restaurant because it is not a restaurant. It is what it is... A massage parlor where you go for "service." That is like comparing apples to oranges.

(*added after initial post) When you go to a movie, you know beforehand how long the movie is that you paid for, or, at the very least, you expect to see the full movie, and not have it end early. Or, when you go to a restaurant, you order off of a menu. You expect to get the full meal, and not have the chef or server only give you 50 to 75% of the meal... or 3/4 through your meal have the server or manager say, "you must leave now," whether you are finished or not.

You pay the mama house fee for one hour (that has always been the case) and you pay the girl for the service. The tip is understood to be within the range you specified. However, there are some variables--It has always been the case that if you the customer pops early, then it is up to the girl to offer you an extra pop for free or for an extra fee. However, one thing is "not" a variable, and that is the time in the room. Is it to be one full hour, no if, ands or buts. If you come early, then the girl at the very least can fill the time with a massage.

That is my understanding that was explained to me by the mamas when I first started mongering. The time is the room is one hour. Everything else is between you and the girl.

If the girl lives up to her end of the bargain by providing the service, then the tip follows the scale 50/10/150 for HJ/BJ/FS respectively with either two pops or massage service to fill out the hour. But, if the mama and or the girl usher you out early against your wishes, then you can either request part of the house fee back and adjust your tip, or if mama won't budge, adjust your tip. It is the only option we have left.

I'm sorry, but there is a standard of service and time that we "all" know is the norm. If the establishment doesn't live up to this, the system breaks down.

Just my thoughts on the subject. No disrespect. Anyone else's thoughts on this?[/QUOTE]

Just a friendly reminder that when we meet a provider for the first time, OUR attitude and demeanor determines how a session will turn out. Like how we have preconceived notions, they also have the same based on how we act, carry ourselves and from past experiences.

We all want to see a certain (or popular) girl based on the reviews we've read, but I've heard many a complaint from various girls about guys who show up drunk, are obnoxious, act rude or are very demanding. If you do, then guess what? Things may not turn out so well. You already put up a wall with them and most may want you to GTFO as soon as possible. Wouldn't you handle it the same exact way if you had to deal with someone like that at your job? I've seen it too many times (though not at APM's) to know that the customer is NOT always right. YMMV certainly applies in this hobby and chemistry plays a big part. The best advise I can give is to go with no expectations.

Irregardless, we should always treat them with kindness and respect that you would extend to your mother, wife or daughter. Regardless of why these women do what they do, they are still human beings and deserve to be treated as such. They are not objects. It's funny how sometimes we tend to treat working girls differently or possibly even look down on them.

Try it the next time, you may be pleasantly surprised on how far that goes. If you treat her well and the girl likes you, things will turn out great. Thanks for letting me speak my mind.

[QUOTE=Oppa808;2001134]Just a friendly reminder that when we meet a provider for the first time, OUR attitude and demeanor determines how a session will turn out. Like how we have preconceived notions, they also have the same based on how we act, carry ourselves and from past experiences.

We all want to see a certain (or popular) girl based on the reviews we've read, but I've heard many a complaint from various girls about guys who show up drunk, are obnoxious, act rude or are very demanding. If you do, then guess what? Things may not turn out so well. You already put up a wall with them and most may want you to GTFO as soon as possible. Wouldn't you handle it the same exact way if you had to deal with someone like that at your job? I've seen it too many times (though not at APM's) to know that the customer is NOT always right. YMMV certainly applies in this hobby and chemistry plays a big part. The best advise I can give is to go with no expectations.

Irregardless, we should always treat them with kindness and respect that you would extend to your mother, wife or daughter. Regardless of why these women do what they do, they are still human beings and deserve to be treated as such. They are not objects. It's funny how sometimes we tend to treat working girls differently or possibly even look down on them.

Try it the next time, you may be pleasantly surprised on how far that goes. If you treat her well and the girl likes you, things will turn out great. Thanks for letting me speak my mind.[/QUOTE]Well said. People are people, no matter what walk of life we may find them in. As men, I don't think that we always fully comprehend what we're asking these women to give us, especially the younger ones or the ones that are extremely popular. Women and men are different and have different mind sets towards many things.

[QUOTE=Atmatic123;2000238]This topic came up a while ago but forgot what the verdict was. Basically when does the timer start, is it when you pay the mama for the room or is it when the girl enters? I've actually never had a full hour I think the only time I did was with Chanel at 7. All other times I say it ranges from 40-45 min? Also seems like the time starts as soon as I enter the room. Also do the girls tell the mama to knock? I swear everytime they leave the room to get a hot towel as soon as they get back 5 min after the knock comes BS!! Another thing to when the enter the room why do they always leave this annoys the fuck out of me too I've had some providers enter and then leave for what seems like 10 fucking min. Once I was waiting in the room for 10 min the provider came in greeted me and then left for what seemed like another 5-10 min, fuck that was like almost 20 min!! Also so many of the mamas are bitches, only Chanel at kison and the one mama at roses were really nice, all others I've encountered damn *****![/QUOTE]I think anything less that 45 minutes requires a deduction from the tip. If this happens again and again I would take my business elsewhere.

[QUOTE=DickTracy25;2000847]It is not always the case for one hour. I had have cranky mama Candy at Asia Spa impolitely threw my BVD at me in a session, she told me the session is pau and it's time to go. I swear the actual time she was in the room with me was no more than 20 minutes. So if you were getting actual 40 minutes time spend in a session, you should be pretty satisfied.[/QUOTE]Asia Spa has for the most part been one of the lousiest AMPs in town, with predominantly negative reviews; your experience is yet another example of why they are not in demand.

Based on reviews, it seems places like Empire are at the opposite extreme of the continuum, and I'm sure it is due in large part to their adherence to the principles just described by Brother Hypo.

I feel what BPittsburg is saying, and have changed AMPs after having experienced exactly what he describes for the Nth time.

Holy crap, take me with you!

[QUOTE=HypoLuxa;2000786]I really wish they would do it like they do in the Bangkok parlors. The way they do it is charge a flat fee for the service--1500 baht. Then you pay for your time--300/500/800 baht for 1/1.5/2 hours respectfully. The interesting part is that the tip to the girl is the same... Now, honestly, I have no problem increasing their fee somewhat also, but maybe by 20-25% max. Anyway, no matter how much time you prepay for, the rules are the same... You fuck, fuck, fuck 'til the bell rings! I went there and to two other establishments for a total of 8 times during my week there. There was never a session less than 2 pops, and in one case 4 pops. Most were 3 pops. All times though, it was up to me how many times I could go

So, my point is that they have a set menu of services and times with flat fees and no YMMV cases.

(Edited out some stuff that I should include in the "Trip Planning" thread.)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BPittsburg;2000856]I agree with Hypo. The house fee is to rent the room for 1 hour (no less). It is the provider's job to fill the hour with whatever it is you want. Even YMMV girls are supposed to do things like massage afterwards, chit chat, etc...something to fill the time. If they try to usher you out, then tell them, your time is not up yet. They know.

Also, I understand that MS will knock on the door to "remind" you that it is almost time. You need time to get dressed or rinse off, whatever. But it is annoying when they do it 20 minutes early and the girl says time's up. Just tell them "no, it's not. I still have 20 minutes left." That is just bad customer service. That is why I love Empire so much. Even Tokyo Spa didn't knock during the daytime (I don't know about at night).[/QUOTE]Thank you Bpittsburg and Hypo. I guess I'm the dumb ass who lets the AMP rip me off and so they continue to do it to other mongers fuck! As I said I think only with Chanel have I actually spent an hour with the girl. All others even the other greats like Nara I was in the room for average 40-45 min total, and sometimes out of that 45 min I'm actually with the provider for maybe 35 because of the time she leaves the room the first time she walks in and then when she leaves to grab a hot towel. Thanks for the empowering feedback, I guess I got to start being more of a dick or go sample empire and say fuck you to all these other establishments! Damn I've been getting ripped off big time for getting short changed all these years, damn you guys always get the hour! LOL shit, I'm happy for you guys but fucking pissed at the mamas and girls who been ripping me off!! DAMN IT CHANEL PLEAS COME BACK LOL!!

[QUOTE=Oppa808;2001134]Just a friendly reminder that when we meet a provider for the first time, OUR attitude and demeanor determines how a session will turn out. Like how we have preconceived notions, they also have the same based on how we act, carry ourselves and from past experiences.

We all want to see a certain (or popular) girl based on the reviews we've read, but I've heard many a complaint from various girls about guys who show up drunk, are obnoxious, act rude or are very demanding. If you do, then guess what? Things may not turn out so well. You already put up a wall with them and most may want you to GTFO as soon as possible. Wouldn't you handle it the same exact way if you had to deal with someone like that at your job? I've seen it too many times (though not at APM's) to know that the customer is NOT always right. YMMV certainly applies in this hobby and chemistry plays a big part. The best advise I can give is to go with no expectations.

Irregardless, we should always treat them with kindness and respect that you would extend to your mother, wife or daughter. Regardless of why these women do what they do, they are still human beings and deserve to be treated as such. They are not objects. It's funny how sometimes we tend to treat working girls differently or possibly even look down on them.

Try it the next time, you may be pleasantly surprised on how far that goes. If you treat her well and the girl likes you, things will turn out great. Thanks for letting me speak my mind.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with you and before I found these boards I used to always stumble in to AMP drunk as fuck, but since fiinding these boards I've taken all the advice and I still get the worst end of the stick! Mainly because I'm not an attractive guy but fuck whenever I go see a provider I try to do exactly what you say and most time leave dissapointed. If a provider is a big YMMV then no deals for me, I've said many times other allstars such as Honey, the Julie, Million, Blue, Stella, Vanilla, Yuki, all was mediocre sessions my sessions never came close to what other mongers described. I know I'm not the only one as other mongers have written bad reviews about the providers I mentioned, but point being is that if there is a chance that a provider will give bad service or is in a bad mood then I'm the lucky ones who gets the end of it! But when its all said and done I know its part of the game but just had to vent about it. And now finding out that I've also been getting ripped off with the room time and the time spent with the provider makes me even more pissed!! These AMP are lucky that its so hard to get laid in hawaii because fuck the way it is now There's almost nowhere to go, that's pretty much the reason I haven't mongered in a while don't know where to go or who to try just doesn't seem to have any provider now that seems worth a try. I already had Stella and Yuki multiple times and each session got worse! Then reading how good other mongers had it with them just made me sick. Well still early in the year crossing my fingers that ill be able to find a new ATF hopefully soon.

[QUOTE=HypoLuxa;2000790]Because Ivy understands that it is understood that we all expect an hour.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree Bruddah HL. Many of us expect the full hour. Ivy understands the agreement (XX dollars for the hour and not until the monger nuts) and tries not to short the time. This is a real big issue for many of mongers. Whether it's a massage, conversation, sleeping, singing to videos, whatever, we want the full hour.

Pu.

[QUOTE=HypoLuxa;2000763]Hi H808... If I may, I do understand the point you intend to make, but I have to respectfully disagree. I don't feel that you can compare AMP services to a restaurant because it is not a restaurant. It is what it is... A massage parlor where you go for "service." That is like comparing apples to oranges.

(*added after initial post) When you go to a movie, you know beforehand how long the movie is that you paid for, or, at the very least, you expect to see the full movie, and not have it end early. Or, when you go to a restaurant, you order off of a menu. You expect to get the full meal, and not have the chef or server only give you 50 to 75% of the meal... or 3/4 through your meal have the server or manager say, "you must leave now," whether you are finished or not.

You pay the mama house fee for one hour (that has always been the case) and you pay the girl for the service. The tip is understood to be within the range you specified. However, there are some variables--It has always been the case that if you the customer pops early, then it is up to the girl to offer you an extra pop for free or for an extra fee. However, one thing is "not" a variable, and that is the time in the room. Is it to be one full hour, no if, ands or buts. If you come early, then the girl at the very least can fill the time with a massage.

That is my understanding that was explained to me by the mamas when I first started mongering. The time is the room is one hour. Everything else is between you and the girl.

If the girl lives up to her end of the bargain by providing the service, then the tip follows the scale 50/10/150 for HJ/BJ/FS respectively with either two pops or massage service to fill out the hour. But, if the mama and or the girl usher you out early against your wishes, then you can either request part of the house fee back and adjust your tip, or if mama won't budge, adjust your tip. It is the only option we have left.

I'm sorry, but there is a standard of service and time that we "all" know is the norm. If the establishment doesn't live up to this, the system breaks down.

Just my thoughts on the subject. No disrespect. Anyone else's thoughts on this?[/QUOTE]This is spot on. I know you meant to say 100 vice 10 for BJ (typo).

Just to be clear, when I speak of an hour, it is from the time I hand Mama the money. That usually leaves 50-55 minutes with the girl in either the room only, or combination of the room and TS room. If I wind up waiting more than 5 minutes for the girl to show up after handing mama the money, then I'll make it known to mama (nicely) that I've been waiting. If it prolongs, I let it be known that I expect a little more time to make up for the 10 or 15 minute wait. I've never had a problem with this. If you pop in the middle of the session, then usually they'll need 5 minutes to clean themselves and prepare a warm, wet rag / towel for you before starting round 2 or spending whatever time you have left as mutually agreed by the both of you. As always, be nice about it. You catch more flies with honey. Only twice in the last year have I been shorted on time. Once was by the provider whom I wound up not being satisfied with, so I was actually ready to leave anyway. The second time was simply due to overbooking by the mama and she apologized profusely and we made it good again.

So, in short, count the time from when you hand mama the money and expect the girl to take no more than 5 minutes to come to you. If mama knocks on the door before an hour passes from when you handed the money, that is what I consider to be shorting me on time.

I can't remember the last time a mama knocked on the door during a session though as both times last year it was the provider wrapping things up.

Anyway, just follow the reviews here to know which establishments are good about letting us mongers take our allotted times and plan your visits accordingly.

And for the record, I've been doing this since the mid-90's. I've been at the short end of the stick many times before. You just chalk it up to experience and develop your confidence and demeanor with the mamas and all will work out.

[QUOTE=Blake123;2001247]This is spot on. I know you meant to say 100 vice 10 for BJ (typo).[/QUOTE]Ooops! Yup, you're right. 100 for BJ.

[QUOTE=Jusride;2001212]Holy crap, take me with you![/QUOTE]I can't wait to go back myself!

When you look at most advertising, it only states HF .50 and does not specified the time. So if the Mama want to be a hard ass, she can say you are out of there when you are done. Of course most Mama will let you stay for one hour because they want you back. But don't expect one full hour if they are busy and time was not specified.

[QUOTE=HypoLuxa;2001248]Just to be clear, when I speak of an hour, it is from the time I hand Mama the money. That usually leaves 50-55 minutes with the girl in either the room only, or combination of the room and TS room. If I wind up waiting more than 5 minutes for the girl to show up after handing mama the money, then I'll make it known to mama (nicely) that I've been waiting. If it prolongs, I let it be known that I expect a little more time to make up for the 10 or 15 minute wait. I've never had a problem with this. If you pop in the middle of the session, then usually they'll need 5 minutes to clean themselves and prepare a warm, wet rag / towel for you before starting round 2 or spending whatever time you have left as mutually agreed by the both of you. As always, be nice about it. You catch more flies with honey. Only twice in the last year have I been shorted on time. Once was by the provider whom I wound up not being satisfied with, so I was actually ready to leave anyway. The second time was simply due to overbooking by the mama and she apologized profusely and we made it good again.

So, in short, count the time from when you hand mama the money and expect the girl to take no more than 5 minutes to come to you. If mama knocks on the door before an hour passes from when you handed the money, that is what I consider to be shorting me on time.

I can't remember the last time a mama knocked on the door during a session though as both times last year it was the provider wrapping things up.

Anyway, just follow the reviews here to know which establishments are good about letting us mongers take our allotted times and plan your visits accordingly.

And for the record, I've been doing this since the mid-90's. I've been at the short end of the stick many times before. You just chalk it up to experience and develop your confidence and demeanor with the mamas and all will work out.[/QUOTE].

I totally agree with other brothers here who say it's important, and pono, we get the full hour we've paid for. However, that being said, for my money, I will be more pleased with a total horn-dog satisfying session that is so intense I am toast in 45 minutes and ready to walk out the door, verses a full hour that is just average whatevers. And I walk my talk on this one. My point being, quality of experience. Not a certain set number of minutes in the room. Is my bottom line every time.

Went for pretty and fucked Julie. Asked her for wall bangin sex like the old days, and was pretty good. Love her hair and very pretty face. She went for the BLS and some rimming made me blush, LOL. Such a pretty lady licking my sac and ass.

Return the favor with DATY-she loves it if you hit it just right. More sucking, then she hopped on for a ride, CG, hard and fast till she broke a sweat. Pounded in mish, finish in DS almost. Had her turn over to shoot all over her body.

It was hot, sweaty, physical. But not as physical as the Sakura days, that was fucking hot. This came pretty close. I guess we both older LOL.

Cuddle for a little bit, but I had enough. Left in 45 of the best minutes in a long time. Rubber legs. Worth every penny. You time mongers, feel free to take my 15 minutes, LOL. YMMV, but 45 minutes with her was better than all the recent BBFS and crappy Rose pro fucks I've had combined.

Me and Julie click, just like me and Million. Happy to leave them. Sooner the better, LOL. Thats what we pay for.

Too many relevant posts below to quote on this subject, so won't quote any. But I do agree with you mongers that want a full hour in the "rented room". However, most AMPs don't give a full 60 minutes, even though you paid for it. If you don't get it, then you can either complain to mama or short tip the girl. If they don't like that, they won't be letting you back in or the girl will refuse to see you, or she will demand payment upfront because she remembers that you short tipped her last time. You can take your business elsewhere, but there will be many mongers to take your place that WILL put up with the shorted time in the room with the provider, AS LONG AS the service was good. So I do agree most with the "quality over quantity" statement that someone else stated.

My theory personally is to just be cool with mama and the girl. If they short me slightly on time but the service made me smile, I'll overlook it, and still give the girl a full tip. If you continue to be cool and the provider actually starts to enjoy the business relationship the two of you have, your room time will get longer, and service will get better and better. However, if they short me on time AND the service was kinda shitty, I will short tip the girl (not by that much, I'm not a dick) knowing full well she will not want to see me again. And I don't give a fuck because I know full well I don't want to see her again either.

Sure a lot of other variables come into play here. For example if you walk in super drunk or high on weed or coke, and start acting rude or bossy, naturally the provider will hate being with you, and you will surely be shorted, both on time and service. That's on you. Anyway you guys get the picture I'm trying to paint.

In the end, as long as the girl provides pretty good service, I don't mind if my time is cut short (within reason).

I just roll with it if it is less than an hour. If it is a provider that I really like to have as a fav, I'll repeat a couple of more times and roll with it to see. If the provider and I have any chemistry, she'll warm up to me and then the sessions will run longer because I don't give her any hassles or pressure her like she's a servant that has to give me exactly one hour. Acting like a cheap charlie does not help you in YMMV. You be surprised when a provider opens up and starts complaining about the other guys wanting a whole hour. By being nice and investing in it, you can end up getting the full time with quality and not come across as one of those other dicks. If I repeat a couple of times with a provider and the sessions are still too brief or cold, then I just don't see her anymore. The interesting part is choosing a different girl in front of her after that. It's more about the quality of the time for me too. If I really wanted to spend lots of time with a girl aside from fucking, then that's what a GF is for. I'm not that lonely to need to be with a provider for an hour.

If AMPs really worked on time. They would put the timer in the room. If they did that monger who pop early would get worked up again and push for another pop and leave semi blue balled.

Like everything. YMMV.

[QUOTE=SecretAgent;2002025]In the end, as long as the girl provides pretty good service, I don't mind if my time is cut short (within reason).[/QUOTE]That's the main thing... "within reason." I don't sweat 5 or even 10 minutes short if I've already completed the "main" service and had a good time... There's been many times that I've left after 45 minutes on my own when I was happy with my session, even as recent as the last couple of months. But, it was my decision to leave. The main point I've been making is when the mama or provider rushes you out of the room after 40-45 minutes after showing up and you are "still" involved in the session, that is the situation that I am relaying to the other mongers here who are unsatisfied with it happening to them. It is to let them know that it is not an OK practice by the establishment and they have some recourse.

Of course everyone is subject to their own consequences resulting from their actions, so it is a judgment call on everyone's part on how you want to deal with it. There is a nice way to resolve it without being labeled a "dick" or banned from there in the future. The mamas ultimately want us as repeat customers, so they'll work something out usually.

- So yes, quality over quantity.

- No sweat on being slightly shorted.

- But being shorted by several minutes when you are still "involved" (being fucked or sucked or whatever) in the session, that was still within the time you expected, not OK.

[QUOTE=NewHeavyChev;1994696]Maybe Pine Tree will be the spot again. Send all the old hoes they got there now to the glue factory. Then all the Ward Ave refugees can go work there.[/QUOTE]One Ward refugee went to PineTree. At least that's what some chick told me. She said Mimi from Pongi will be working at PT now. Hehe, Mimi actually matches at PT since she's a chubby GILF. But Mimi's BB service would actually make her more suitable to work with the chubby GILFs at Kison.

As just reported in the Ginza and Pongi threads, the freaky deaky, fist fucking, Greek speaking, nympho White girl BUNNY is now at Ginza.

Some chick told me that the Black girl with a bossin booty ROSE from Secret will be back at her old humping grounds G. Apple. But I not sure about that one.

The big question is: Where will Nara go next?

[QUOTE=Puinsai808;2001239]Absolutely agree Bruddah HL. Many of us expect the full hour. Ivy understands the agreement (XX dollars for the hour and not until the monger nuts) and tries not to short the time. This is a real big issue for many of mongers. Whether it's a massage, conversation, sleeping, singing to videos, whatever, we want the full hour.

Pu.[/QUOTE]I've been shorted numerous times, too. Anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes, even though I'd paid for the full hour. This usually results in me not going back. But, I don't think those establishments cared, since there were likely more customers who they could ripoff after me, who also might decide not to go back.

The places that short you seem to have the mentality that, as long as they have your money today, they don't care if you never come back again. The immediate desire for your cash overrides any concern for long-term consequences, such as a decline in future business.

There is no question about quality versus quantity here, since the sessions are typically rushed and the girl just wants you to cum as fast as possible, so she can move on to the next guy. And I don't want them or their shills complaining to me because I come here to post about being shorted.

It's very simple: I paid for an hour, so I want 60 minutes. Not 45 and certainly not 30. Sixty minutes.

Thought I would venture to a different place so I headed to Sweet Beach. I walked in and found familiar faces in there, Kelli and Gina from Kison and little Thai Linda from CHM. Kelli asked if it was okay for me to see her and I was more than happy too. Quick shower and back to the room, very small but what else do we need, bed, chair and dim light. Kelly tell me she will be right back so I laid on the bed trying to select to right tunes in Pandora. My phone still in hand Kelly walks in unannounced and starts kissing my knees working her way up to my lips then back down giving me one of the best tongue job on my shaft, using her tongue without using her mouth made me want to bust my nuts but I held back cumin then she slid her mouth over my rock hard shaft, nice and wet and deep again making me close to cumin again. I told her its my turn so down south I went loving her super sensitive and wet pussy. She had several hardcore orgasms making my mouth soaked with her juices. She couldn't take another orgasm so her asked me time to make love to her. Taking that I moved positions mounting her wet pussy, boy she has some pussy control squeezing my cock with her pussy. Couldn't take it and blew my load.

We were laying next to eac hother chatting when I heard the sexy raspy voice of Gina and I mentioned to Kelly how Gina has a sexy voice then she asked if I wanted to see Gina. Well I did have an extra.

$ $ in my wallet to I said hell yea. Kelly leaves the room and Gina soon walks in with a tray with warm towels she grabs one and starts with my face at the same time she straddles my midsection and sits right on my cock deep into her wet wet pussy. I commented that she's wet but it didn't feel like lube. She told me that while Kelly and I was in the room she had a customer and they were in the room next to us and couple hear us. The guy nutted fast and was out the door but she could still hear us and it made her wet and horny.

Needless to say, 2 different girls back to back is fun and fulfilling. Came 3 times total in 2 different pussies and 1 CIM. I looked at my phone and noticed I sent almost 3 hours with the both of them.

[QUOTE=HypoLuxa;2002098]That's the main thing... "within reason." I don't sweat 5 or even 10 minutes short if I've already completed the "main" service and had a good time... There's been many times that I've left after 45 minutes on my own when I was happy with my session, even as recent as the last couple of months. But, it was my decision to leave. The main point I've been making is when the mama or provider rushes you out of the room after 40-45 minutes after showing up and you are "still" involved in the session, that is the situation that I am relaying to the other mongers here who are unsatisfied with it happening to them. It is to let them know that it is not an OK practice by the establishment and they have some recourse.

Of course everyone is subject to their own consequences resulting from their actions, so it is a judgment call on everyone's part on how you want to deal with it. There is a nice way to resolve it without being labeled a "dick" or banned from there in the future. The mamas ultimately want us as repeat customers, so they'll work something out usually.

- So yes, quality over quantity.

- No sweat on being slightly shorted.

- But being shorted by several minutes when you are still "involved" (being fucked or sucked or whatever) in the session, that was still within the time you expected, not OK.[/QUOTE]This makes alot of sense and I agree. Most guys are not going to nitpick on every minute and would voluntarily leave the AMP if he was pretty happy with the service. I think it's up to the customer if he wants to stay longer until the hour is up or, he could leave before the hour is up. Not be rushed or kicked out simply because he popped in 10 min.

"Okay hunnee, you finish already. Time for you to go!

The duration of time is so short to be even worth it.

"Damn! That was the most awesome 10 min I ever had!

What bothers me is when the provider expects that you pop fast / quick because her other customers before you were able to pop fast. Also, they want you to leave because her other customers were able to leave early and they expect that you do the same. Not every single customer will be the same way.

I don't stay the whole hour even if the provider wants to kick back and cuddle or give a massage to eat up the remaining time. Imagine if a restaurant tells you to leave because you were done eating? You're not going to be all that happy to be told that.

"Hi sir, I notice you're done eating, can you please leave now because I need this table".