Massage Parlor Reports

Hey gents. Here are a few quick reviews from last month:

1) JLi massage in Lake Forest. Named Cici petite Asian lady 35-40, A cup 6/10 looks, 8/10 HJ 9/10 massage. Slow stroke technique but nothing extra to be had - 40 hh door, 45 tip. Would repeat for great massage.

2) QZ Day Spa in Lake Forest. I think Cindy. Asian lady 35-40, B cup, 7/10 looks, 7/10 HJ, 8/10 massage. Very little tease, a little OTC roaming, decent release, but seemed a bit stand-offish. Didn't seem like extras would be had. 40 hh, tip 40. Would not repeat.

3) 5 Star (Edinger) in Santa Ana. Named E-wa, maybe 5'8" Asian Lady 40. C cup, 7/10 looks, 6/10 HJ, 5/10 massage, massage was lame, little tease, on flip pulled up top, nice tits, started with pressure for tip right away. Wanted $80, I refused, negotiated $45, somewhat of a jackhammer with a lot of oil. Just wanted me in and out. Entry was $25 hh. Will not repeat.

Be safe out there! Cheers!

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;5822169]. . . These places that cycle through girls and have a new staff every week are almost always trafficking operations.[/QUOTE]But have the women come over here voluntarily, knowing what the work involves, or have they been tricked, are they captive? Any light you might shed on this would be welcome.

Lift Her Up.

[QUOTE=JerryX;5784209]Another bedpage type of site, thanks.[/QUOTE]That is EXACTLY what HX is!

Panda Massage- new girl, skinny, late 30's, sucked a good cock, forgot her name.

Went to Panda yesterday. Was disappointed because Mamasan was the only one working. She is skinny but probably mid to late 40's or 50. Massage was lame but just a medium pressure with her just pressing on my back. Suprisingly though, her teasing skills are AWESOME!! Slow and deliberate with reach under stroke action. She does some heavy breathing and small sultry talk which you can't understand until she tells you she loves you. Haha On the flip, she is flirtacious and cute. She gets the job done with some OTC roaming. After she does foot and head massage. She got a bunch of customers come in, so I felt bad. She turned away two people to finish my time. ON the third, I got up and got dressed and let her take care of the other customers. She has to make money. I was satisfied. I know she was doing her best to give me my full time etc. I did this for her and was fine with it. Others on here may not be okay with this and feel short changed but I was okay. I tipped her $60 (a little more than usual) because the experience was good. I will repeat and hopefully get one of the others who gives a good BJ.

Sorry this review is late. This encounter occurred on the evening of March 6. This place is in Costa Mesa Suite 116.

Was getting stressed about the gas prices and had some things on my mind. So what better way to think about stuff than do a little drive. I was like, fuck the gas prices and I opted to go out of town from my usual playground area. Just irresponsible on so many levels.

I met up with a familiar friend, Amy, aka Sasa. She's a tall 5'7" beauty with great looking forearm tattoos and enhanced 36 D breasts. Being rather spur of the moment, I requested to take a shower on site. After getting undressed, Amy led me to the shower where I was able to thoroughly clean myself and freshen up.

Returning back to the room, Amy gave me a very decent and thorough massage. I enjoyed conversing with her on what was on my mind.

On the flip, she worked her way from my chest down to my cock giving me a most excellent BBBJ. We then 69'd for a bit. Amy then applies the condom and we go at it in CG. I am enjoying thrusting and sucking on her 36 D tits. We go at it in missionary and then turn her over in DG. Unfortunately, I got a little soft. She tells me to relax, and after some effort, she finishes me off with an excellent HJ.

Amy continues her massage for the remainder of the session. I then make my long drive home.

[QUOTE=Punter1;5821045]Haven't been here in over 10 years. Was an average are&T, definitely a low mileage place. The last report on RM was in 2018 and hardly any reviews here. Drove by last week and wondered about it, but didn't stop.

Then this popped up on a local neighborhood site. Person comments on watching CMPD bust the massage place across the street from them, with the usual human trafficing / prostitution language. Recognized Spa 8 immediately, like the Park Ranger marked truck.[/QUOTE]Does anyone have insight as to why Spa 8 was singled out? Lots of erotic massage going on in town. I have a couple of friends that work in town and they're freaking out a little. Fair shops get raided but stay in business. My impression is that most shops don't do human trafficking. Most have women that come to the US to live without green cards and they are attracted to the money massage brings them. Why Spa 8?

How much was damage boss? Enhanced tits you mean silicon?

[QUOTE=CuriousJo8;5823363]Sorry this review is late. This encounter occurred on the evening of March 6. This place is in Costa Mesa Suite 116.

Was getting stressed about the gas prices and had some things on my mind. So what better way to think about stuff than do a little drive. I was like, fuck the gas prices and I opted to go out of town from my usual playground area. Just irresponsible on so many levels.

I met up with a familiar friend, Amy, aka Sasa. She's a tall 5'7" beauty with great looking forearm tattoos and enhanced 36 D breasts. Being rather spur of the moment, I requested to take a shower on site. After getting undressed, Amy led me to the shower where I was able to thoroughly clean myself and freshen up.

Returning back to the room, Amy gave me a very decent and thorough massage. I enjoyed conversing with her on what was on my mind.

On the flip, she worked her way from my chest down to my cock giving me a most excellent BBBJ. We then 69'd for a bit. Amy then applies the condom and we go at it in CG. I am enjoying thrusting and sucking on her 36 D tits. We go at it in missionary and then turn her over in DG. Unfortunately, I got a little soft. She tells me to relax, and after some effort, she finishes me off with an excellent HJ.

Amy continues her massage for the remainder of the session. I then make my long drive home.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HeadorTail;5823647]Does anyone have insight as to why Spa 8 was singled out? Lots of erotic massage going on in town. I have a couple of friends that work in town and they're freaking out a little. Fair shops get raided but stay in business. My impression is that most shops don't do human trafficking. Most have women that come to the US to live without green cards and they are attracted to the money massage brings them. Why Spa 8?[/QUOTE]When those raids went down there around 2012 my favorite shut her shop down ahead of time and later reopened in SA. She said that the pay offs needed for her to not get raided were going up to 25 K a month and that was more than she was taking in.

[QUOTE=LiftHerUp;5822322]But have the women come over here voluntarily, knowing what the work involves, or have they been tricked, are they captive? Any light you might shed on this would be welcome.

Lift Her Up.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

I spoke to the girls and they are just switching it up to get new customers in their store. It's hard enough with over 100 other AMPs in each city. No ones being bought or sold or trafficked. Most of these women are married and raising their kids. They all have green cards. These AMPs need to make money so they switch up girls. They are advertised in the Asian newspapers. Just like nuru places switch girls all the time. It's just that 44X Fairview pays deep pockets to Cm city.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;5822169]There are exceptions to every norm, but generally speaking, LE doesn't care about places giving HJs. Jack shacks are generally pretty harmless and cops have better things to do than bust those places. If they bust a monger for getting a HJ they're not going to get anything except maybe a small fine out of it, so it's not worth their time or effort. What they don't like is trafficking. I've been ridiculed for bringing it up here before, but the organized crime-run places with trafficked providers DO exist, and that's what the state is trying to shut down. I'm currently working with the legislature on getting the new massage bill passed this year and I can tell you for certain that trafficking is their number one hot button. I don't know for sure if that was the case in this bust but it's a pretty good bet that it was. These places that cycle through girls and have a new staff every week are almost always trafficking operations.[/QUOTE]You watch too much tv!

These AMPs are too competitive, most likely another AMP ratted them out. 44X Fairview and nuru places change girls weekly, does that mean they are captive LOL?.

$60 to the house. $0. 6 for tip. But of course to your second question.

[QUOTE=BigBoDonk;5823776]How much was damage boss? Enhanced tits you mean silicon?[/QUOTE]

In my search for huge boobs I thought I might share. Went to this place that has been discussed here before. Last weekend I ended up with a MILF named "Mindy" or "Mandy" whatever fake name she is using. Anyhoo, this woman has ginormous meat pillows. They were literally huge as pillows, and soft. She has some nipple scarring and I asked her about her boobs, apparently she has had reduction surgery a decade ago, accounting for the scars I guess. When I met her, she was wearing a tight dress with her nipples popping out the top of her cleavage! Just that sight got me turned on, she was acting super slutty (something I really enjoy). She gave some BBBJ, then slipped on a hat. She bent over the table standing, with her butt out for me to enjoy. I stuck it in from k9 and she was nice and tight for a voluptuous girl, and played with her butthole a little bit, (she said she can't do anal because she is too "tight" I played on the outside a bit, it was clean and dry so I couldn't get a finger in. Not sure how she would react. I fucked her silly for a while, finished in missionary. Nice session. They have a pretty good selection of girls. Will be back.

[URL]https://us-orangecounty.bedpage.com/bodyrubs/beach-blvd-22-405/21133203.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=CuriousJo8;5823363]Sorry this review is late. This encounter occurred on the evening of March 6. This place is in Costa Mesa Suite 116.

Was getting stressed about the gas prices and had some things on my mind. So what better way to think about stuff than do a little drive. I was like, fuck the gas prices and I opted to go out of town from my usual playground area. Just irresponsible on so many levels.

I met up with a familiar friend, Amy, aka Sasa. She's a tall 5'7" beauty with great looking forearm tattoos and enhanced 36 D breasts. Being rather spur of the moment, I requested to take a shower on site. After getting undressed, Amy led me to the shower where I was able to thoroughly clean myself and freshen up.

Returning back to the room, Amy gave me a very decent and thorough massage. I enjoyed conversing with her on what was on my mind.

On the flip, she worked her way from my chest down to my cock giving me a most excellent BBBJ. We then 69'd for a bit. Amy then applies the condom and we go at it in CG. I am enjoying thrusting and sucking on her 36 D tits. We go at it in missionary and then turn her over in DG. Unfortunately, I got a little soft. She tells me to relax, and after some effort, she finishes me off with an excellent HJ.

Amy continues her massage for the remainder of the session. I then make my long drive home.[/QUOTE]By "Costa Mesa Suite 11X", do you mean Suite 11X at 44X Fair Dr? I have to say, none of the girls I've seen at the Fair Dr complex are lookers by any means.

StubbornMule,

The address you stated is correct. Everyone has their own taste man. Your definition of what constitutes a looker could be quite different from mine. If all natural spinners get you off, this girl won't do it for you.

I love tall women and my original assessment of her was that she is supermodel beautiful. One guy disagreed and in response, I doubled down on my view on that. When her assignment was in San Diego, I saw her a total of four times throughout that month, including Christmas morning. I would not have fucking drove to middle of nowhere Costa Mesa if I did not know who I was seeing or if I doubted if she was worth it.

If you walk into the shop and encounter a tall lady with distinctive forearm tattoos who goes by either Amy or Sasa, and you don't think she is a looker, then we just have a simple disagreement in opinion then.

Feel free to PM me if you are curious and want to be referred to my original review of her when she was in San Diego. Cheers.

What's the damage? Been looking for an extra big tittied girl.

[QUOTE=CubeBrick;5825553]In my search for huge boobs I thought I might share. Went to this place that has been discussed here before. Last weekend I ended up with a MILF named "Mindy" or "Mandy" whatever fake name she is using. Anyhoo, this woman has ginormous meat pillows. They were literally huge as pillows, and soft. She has some nipple scarring and I asked her about her boobs, apparently she has had reduction surgery a decade ago, accounting for the scars I guess. When I met her, she was wearing a tight dress with her nipples popping out the top of her cleavage! Just that sight got me turned on, she was acting super slutty (something I really enjoy). She gave some BBBJ, then slipped on a hat. She bent over the table standing, with her butt out for me to enjoy. I stuck it in from k9 and she was nice and tight for a voluptuous girl, and played with her butthole a little bit, (she said she can't do anal because she is too "tight" I played on the outside a bit, it was clean and dry so I couldn't get a finger in. Not sure how she would react. I fucked her silly for a while, finished in missionary. Nice session. They have a pretty good selection of girls. Will be back.

[URL]https://us-orangecounty.bedpage.com/bodyrubs/beach-blvd-22-405/21133203.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

Has anybody tried this place yet? Any intel? Thanks.

It's in Buena Park.

[QUOTE=NailBoiz1;5826381]Has anybody tried this place yet? Any intel? Thanks.

It's in Buena Park.[/QUOTE]Their therapists are actual CMTs, or at least most of them are. Buena Park isn't a city that requires all working therapists to be certified. Usually that means as long as there's at least one CMT on duty at all times you can have un-certified MTs working. Everything there appears to be legit. On the flip side it is an Asian owned and operated spa, and that means you never know. Even though they're pitching themselves as a legit spa, the Asian massage culture generally isn't as uptight over happy endings as we are, so there just might be a provider or two who does a little extra for a little extra tip. I visited once and didn't get any hint of anything extra being available, but it could be one of these "maybe with the right provider after she's seen you a few times" deals.

Tustin and Palm was my latest exploration for something new. The parking lot is in the back. My new plan of attack in looking for AMP is do they have surveillance cameras. If they have a cam, then it's a go! This place looks likes it's legit during the daytime. It has all the skin care equipment and that stuff. However, all the rooms have locking doors and the MT was pretty clear from the get go that goodies were to be had in the goodie room. .4 at the door and an amazing HE to an average massage. No discussion of tip. MT name was completely incomprehensible. Mandy, Mindy, Margie, Maggie for fuck sake I have no idea. Each time she said it, it sounded different. Another place. Of many. That FS. Is likely workable.

Standard massage place. Walls are thin so can hear people in the other rooms and business next door. Grace, Chinese. Late 40's I would say .60 hr plus 160 tip. BBFS but she made it clear it was just that time. They don't do that there. One and done for me. Everything was just average.

[QUOTE=CalTheImpaler;5826727]MT name was completely incomprehensible. Mandy, Mindy, Margie, Maggie for fuck sake I have no idea. Each time she said it, it sounded different. Another place. Of many. That FS. Is likely workable.[/QUOTE]Nearly did a spit take when reading that.

I can't tell you how many times that's happened to me, if any introduction, you are scoping things out, a name is mentioned, and it's like, what?

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;5826411]Their therapists are actual CMTs, or at least most of them are. Buena Park isn't a city that requires all working therapists to be certified. Usually that means as long as there's at least one CMT on duty at all times you can have un-certified MTs working. Everything there appears to be legit. On the flip side it is an Asian owned and operated spa, and that means you never know. Even though they're pitching themselves as a legit spa, the Asian massage culture generally isn't as uptight over happy endings as we are, so there just might be a provider or two who does a little extra for a little extra tip. I visited once and didn't get any hint of anything extra being available, but it could be one of these "maybe with the right provider after she's seen you a few times" deals.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info Grimmy23.

I might try it fir fun, but all the signs says it's legit. It closes at 8:30 and the inside is just too fancy for a HE kind of place, but like you said you just never know since it's Asian owners.

[QUOTE=Taws6;5827122]Nearly did a spit take when reading that.

I can't tell you how many times that's happened to me, if any introduction, you are scoping things out, a name is mentioned, and it's like, what?[/QUOTE]Maybe next time this happens, I will ask the MT to write her name. Let's see how that works.

[QUOTE=MMacFly;5826894]Standard massage place. Walls are thin so can hear people in the other rooms and business next door. Grace, Chinese. Late 40's I would say .60 hr plus 160 tip. BBFS but she made it clear it was just that time. They don't do that there. One and done for me. Everything was just average.[/QUOTE]Nice. So where were you allowed to cum? Inside her snatch or did you cum on her stomach? PSE?

Cum on face?

[QUOTE=PhineasPhreak;5827681]Nice. So where were you allowed to cum? Inside her snatch or did you cum on her stomach? PSE?

Cum on face?[/QUOTE]Stomach. No kissing as her mask stayed on the whole time.

[QUOTE=CubeBrick;5825553]In my search for huge boobs I thought I might share. Went to this place that has been discussed here before. Last weekend I ended up with a MILF named "Mindy" or "Mandy" whatever fake name she is using. Anyhoo, this woman has ginormous meat pillows. They were literally huge as pillows, and soft. She has some nipple scarring and I asked her about her boobs, apparently she has had reduction surgery a decade ago, accounting for the scars I guess. When I met her, she was wearing a tight dress with her nipples popping out the top of her cleavage! Just that sight got me turned on, she was acting super slutty (something I really enjoy). She gave some BBBJ, then slipped on a hat. She bent over the table standing, with her butt out for me to enjoy. I stuck it in from k9 and she was nice and tight for a voluptuous girl, and played with her butthole a little bit, (she said she can't do anal because she is too "tight" I played on the outside a bit, it was clean and dry so I couldn't get a finger in. Not sure how she would react. I fucked her silly for a while, finished in missionary. Nice session. They have a pretty good selection of girls. Will be back.

[URL]https://us-orangecounty.bedpage.com/bodyrubs/beach-blvd-22-405/21133203.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Had a similar experience. I called, quickly got a text with directions. I had to park behind some auto shops. Texted and they opened the door for me.

It's dark in there, looks like a set up for a skincare place.

The lady was stacked with huge knockers. She went right into some BBBJ preview for me, then slipped on the hat. Nice oral skills, big boobs, for some reason she gave me some serious wood. She turned around because she likes it from the back. Her pussy felt reasonably tight, she wasn't over lubed or anything, her pussy felt good. The k9 action with her was very fun. I finally went to mission and finished into the hat. Good session and a freakishly large set of mammaries LOL.

[QUOTE=MMacFly;5828001]Stomach. No kissing as her mask stayed on the whole time.[/QUOTE]I'm down for BBFS cum on belly except I always piss them off. The first shot typically hits them in the neck or face, second couple of shots pool on their belly and the last one dribbles on their pussy. Not sure which one pisses them off more.

[QUOTE=HeadorTail;5828598]I'm down for BBFS cum on belly except I always piss them off. The first shot typically hits them in the neck or face, second couple of shots pool on their belly and the last one dribbles on their pussy. Not sure which one pisses them off more.[/QUOTE]I prefer cum inside on most of my girls.

[QUOTE=HeadorTail;5828598]I'm down for BBFS cum on belly except I always piss them off. The first shot typically hits them in the neck or face, second couple of shots pool on their belly and the last one dribbles on their pussy. Not sure which one pisses them off more.[/QUOTE]HT, that's hilarious LOL.

I prefer cof but not many allow that without extra tip. The k girls are usually allow everywhere but face.

[QUOTE=NoClue02;5828767]HT, that's hilarious LOL.

I prefer cof but not many allow that without extra tip. The k girls are usually allow everywhere but face.[/QUOTE]I have a cocktail weenie for a weenie.

Is CI nose a thing? If not. It should be!

How much is damage? Looks like they are doing too much adds is this place LE safe?

[QUOTE=PhineasPhreak;5828389]Had a similar experience. I called, quickly got a text with directions. I had to park behind some auto shops. Texted and they opened the door for me.

It's dark in there, looks like a set up for a skincare place.

The lady was stacked with huge knockers. She went right into some BBBJ preview for me, then slipped on the hat. Nice oral skills, big boobs, for some reason she gave me some serious wood. She turned around because she likes it from the back. Her pussy felt reasonably tight, she wasn't over lubed or anything, her pussy felt good. The k9 action with her was very fun. I finally went to mission and finished into the hat. Good session and a freakishly large set of mammaries LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PhineasPhreak;5828389]Had a similar experience. I called, quickly got a text with directions. I had to park behind some auto shops. Texted and they opened the door for me.

It's dark in there, looks like a set up for a skincare place.

The lady was stacked with huge knockers. She went right into some BBBJ preview for me, then slipped on the hat. Nice oral skills, big boobs, for some reason she gave me some serious wood. She turned around because she likes it from the back. Her pussy felt reasonably tight, she wasn't over lubed or anything, her pussy felt good. The k9 action with her was very fun. I finally went to mission and finished into the hat. Good session and a freakishly large set of mammaries LOL.[/QUOTE]So, I stopped by asked for the Mindy that's been mentioned. The girl they sent out had big boobs but no ginormous and it was saggy. She was thick, and definitely looked Asian more than Latina. So for whatever reason its not fitting previous descriptions. I asked for a Russian finish and she was asking $. 4 total and I just bounced. Thats about the price for a nuru finish with some hotter providers. I dnt think they gave me Mindy tho but could be wrong. The lady who opened the door had big enhanced tits too tho. But not sure if those are good for a Russian.

Does she do full service? How much is damage?

[QUOTE=Pand25;5805886]Just read on RM that Candie at Sarah Thai spa is a TS. "Fairwayguy" wrote a review indicating that she may not be for everyone, but after you enjoy her nice tits and you go to finger her she sports a modest size hard cock!!

So either the Candy you fucked is a different and actual chick or you fucked a TS? LOL. To each his own I suppose, but an RA having a cock is a major detail to leave out! I'm assuming you fucked a different Candy?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Member1115;5789221]I'd be glad to, but that's the problem. I don't know it and that's what I'm hoping to figure out![/QUOTE]This place has Nuru Gurus old phone number.

[URL]https://us-losangeles.bedpage.com/bodyrubs/la-torrance-long-beach/21134486.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigBoDonk;5828966]Does she do full service? How much is damage?[/QUOTE]Disclaimer: I'm going off reports not personal experience. Tho I have met her and she is very nice just not my thing personally. No FS but allows DFK, roaming her Cs, HJ. Damage 8-100. ST: W-Sa and also at Island: Su / M. Busy so by appt only.

[QUOTE=MMacFly;5826894]Standard massage place. Walls are thin so can hear people in the other rooms and business next door. Grace, Chinese. Late 40's I would say .60 hr plus 160 tip. BBFS but she made it clear it was just that time. They don't do that there. One and done for me. Everything was just average.[/QUOTE]Great report sir. I won't be partaking but I'm certain she's going to get inundated with punters, LOL.

Looking forward to more adventures.

Decided to drop by and check this spot out on Westminster Ave and Hope st. It's on a busy plaza Saigon Center. Got greeted by a girl named Cici in her late 30's I would say. She didn't look that bad but she had jeans on and I knew that I wasn't going to be getting any action but still wanted to try. She gave a decent massage and on the flip said only HJ was available. I tried asking if she offered more but she didn't. So I just got up and gave her a 20 tip for her time. On the way out there was a girl waiting there in the lobby named Dina and she looked even cuter but too bad only HJ is offered here. I was looking more so for FS which is my thing. Good luck everyone on their mongering adventures and hope to hear from everyone. There was a new place that opened up on harbor blvd next to Pizza hut near Hazard St if anyone been there let me know how's the talent and services thanks.

I was down in OC recently and got ghosted by a gilfian provider.

So off I went to Happy in SA and got "Nicey".

Not a looker, at all, and wore like a full on overall type outfit. Weird.

Decent massage, didn't mind my roaming and eventually got completely naked for BBBJ & daty.

Decent BBBJ. Nice and slow and he got very excited and came easily during daty.

I stood up to enter her bare and she pointed out the condom she had placed on the bed.

I smiled and told her no thank you and away we went. Very nice BBFS with a very tight pussy.

Please note she is not a looker really at all and she has a bit of a belly so. Yeah.

There were like three other asian gilfs there that had big smiles and slutty clothes on so I'll be back.

I just got a message from her that she quit today. Sad day. Can anyone else confirm?

Just thinking maybe she just hates me? Hahaha.

[QUOTE=IndieBoi;5829947]Decided to drop by and check this spot out on Westminster Ave and Hope st. It's on a busy plaza Saigon Center. Got greeted by a girl named Cici in her late 30's I would say. She didn't look that bad but she had jeans on and I knew that I wasn't going to be getting any action but still wanted to try. She gave a decent massage and on the flip said only HJ was available. I tried asking if she offered more but she didn't. So I just got up and gave her a 20 tip for her time. On the way out there was a girl waiting there in the lobby named Dina and she looked even cuter but too bad only HJ is offered here. I was looking more so for FS which is my thing. Good luck everyone on their mongering adventures and hope to hear from everyone. There was a new place that opened up on harbor blvd next to Pizza hut near Hazard St if anyone been there let me know how's the talent and services thanks.[/QUOTE]What was the damage and was that $20 with the HJ?

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;5822169] These places that cycle through girls and have a new staff every week are almost always trafficking operations.[/QUOTE]The masseuses are generally all free-lance (self-employed), and legitimate places have a difficult time keeping them if they are not busy enough, or too far from the part of Los Angeles County where so many of them live. Sure, there must be some trafficing, but an owner trying to get and keep enough masseuses might have very high turn-over. The masseuses also sometimes become jealous and argue / fight, so an owner stops calling them and looks for others. As with any business, finding and keeping good people is far from easy.