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I think I forgot to mention that I was supposed to have a Meet with a 33 yr old today for lunch, but yesterday she text me a body shot of her in lingerie. She was quite hefty, so I text her this morning and told her that no offense but I like my women petite would not be able to meet her.
[QUOTE=Pukkaghee;2621562] In the meantime they are happy to meet for meals, drinks or theatre visits, but are asking for payment on top of these expenses. I demurred, only to be informed that this was standard practice. Is it? Do you pay POT SBs for their attendance at "get to know you" meetings over a period of time with only a promise of joys to come?[/QUOTE]Perhaps some of this "way of thinking" comes from the popularity of the website What's Your Price (WYP). It is a terrible site from the guy's perspective, all slanted against you. It is however sponsored and run by the same dude who created SA. So if a girl signs up for SA, no doubt she gets bombarded by offers from WYP. No cost for the girl to sign up for WYP, so little barriers for entry and they promise NO SEX dates for pay! What could be easier for a girl?
So I have run into a few that wanted PMT for platonic M&G dates, and on inquiry found that they were active on WYP site. Even some bbw girls told me they get $50 for a dinner date. Not from me.
But the point is that SB dating is different from WYP dating and if the girls want to confuse the two they need to get an education. Any girl looking for $ for the M&G is a "pass" and not worth the time. Move on. I try to make sure expectations are set before leaving for a date. Girl knows she is investing her time in a M&G, for future rewards. After all this is dating and no guarantees: need to assess mutual interests / styles.
So while the British style might be a bit different, one needs to be a bit more firm and certain in one's approach. She is looking for weakness to exploit. Use the good parts of your style to remain engaging, all while adopting a firm stance. I had a recent POT tell me at a M&G that she wanted 350 for the date to continue. I politely told her that there was no way and we were so far off, there wasn't any point in continuing any discussions and I would drive her home. She relented to 250; no. Then 200; no. Eventually melted to 150; no. With such epic caving (now under 50% of initial offer), I decided to let this play out and see how far it could go. While being polite but firm. Amazing what happens when one is willing to walk away and doesn't waver. When she got to 100, I said, enough! " 80, take it or leave it. " In the end she took it.
So as others have suggested- suss out those who are prats and pillocks up front and then use the charm and firmness to work the remainder. When in Rome.
[QUOTE=Pukkaghee;2621562]Ok, newbie in (British) town here. Following guidance from esteemed brothers in arms from across the pond, I have refused to pay those sweeties who ask for money just to turn up for a coffee. I have also been stood up a couple of times. I have, nevertheless, successfully persuaded a few lovelies to join me for a cordial coffee and a nice slice of cake. Now, a couple.
Of these have shown potential for further development and subsequent meetings have been mooted. However, both targets, although expressing a willingness to adjourn to a place of.
Privacy in due course, have said they would like to wait a few weeks while we "get to know each other". In the meantime they are happy to meet for meals, drinks or theatre visits, but are asking for payment on top of these expenses. I demurred, only to be informed that this was standard practice. Is it? Do you pay POT SBs for their attendance at "get to know you" meetings over a period of time with only a promise of joys to come?[/QUOTE]One item you didn't mention in your post is if you're British looking to dabble in the US on the short or long-term, or if you're playing in the UK? If in the UK, I'd say do what Mike Brewer does on the famed car show when he deals in cars -- he never caves in on his selling (or buying) price to a female. Every episode involving a woman is a showcase of how female negotiating skills are simply not up to par with their male counterparts -- they always lose to him. LOL.
But seriously -- while I can't tell you anything about sugar babies in the UK I would suggest checking out the Highlights and FAQ index. [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL].
The question you've brought up has come up frequently in the past and discussed quite a bit, and the user who took the time to index all that and create most of those posts did a good job of capturing most of the salient information that simply gets recycled here over and over, for the most part.
One thing you may notice is that the technique I recommend is different than some others. I never mention price before hand, I simply gift them after the fact based on performance. It's a tactic that basically capitalizes on a couple of key facts: 1) that it weeds out escorts masquerading as SBs (since most of those are going to require up front agreement), and 2) that the average SB really doesn't WANT to discuss money, and given a good reason to defer having the talk will do so. That's not to say my technique or recommendation is necessarily what you want to do, it's just one way of doing it that completely eliminates the sorts of issues you're inquiring about.
As you read, if you do find yourself interested in my technique, try to ignore the references to timelines ("many years ago", etc.). That is simply anonymizing the timeline to help protect my privacy and giving the reader the benefit of the doubt they could figure out what I was doing -- very clearly I was a little too giving with benefits in the case of a handful of folks, some bulbs burn brighter than others... lol...but don't let it throw you as you read it for the first time.
So I've been triple booking m&gs as of late. With the SO out of town, it makes things much easier. I've found that there is about a 30 percent drop rate as well. Of those that drop about 50 percent have real excuses or something just came up. Having been the guy to ditch a m&g because of a last minute meeting, I completely understand. Having weekends available does make things much easier though.
I've found that triple booking m&gs in different coffee shops in one hour increments to be pretty effective. A Starbucks for certain types of girls and an independent local coffee house for another type that would prefer that kind of thing. I make sure to keep them within a 15 minute walk from one another. The third booking doesn't get a specific time, but rather a "hey let's meet at a coffee house in this general location in the late morning on this date, and play it by ear. " Inevitably one will flake. Sometimes they go dark, never to be heard of again. Of course, on the other hand, when you take a pic of the location where you were supposed to meet and send them a text with a note letting them know in a very nice way that you regretted not being able to take them out. You'll be surprised how much goodwill that can buy you.
On a separate note, my m&gs this month have hit the double digits and I've noticed a recurring theme. Many of these pots are looking for their version of Christian Grey. I guess after the book got turned into a movie a lot more of these ladies have this idea in their head about what a guy should be doing in the bedroom. I have neither watched the movie or read the book, but need to put it on my list. I've found it difficult to engage in some conversations without this background. Just like when I first started, all the young pots were talking about EDM, and for the longest time I thought it was a band. It was only until later that I realized it was a genre of music.
Note to self, I need to also find a relatively interesting fetish to keep up with some of you brothers who have been playing in the bowl. The stories some of these girls have could really be turned into a movie. Of course when a profile says the pot is into bdsm, a sub, or a dom, I guess its to be expected. The ones that really throw me off are the shy demure types that have just moved to the big city from the rural mid west or south. It's amazing what some if these girls will talk about when you make them comfortable. Like all things this game is evolving, and it seems that things are different than they were even just a few months back since I took a break to spend time with my swim instructor.
As they say, those who can't do, teach and lecture, and so to keep your game fresh, you may want to put a toe back in the water. Of course these are just my meanderings based on my own personal experiences so take them with a grain of salt.
Please keep this to US.
It's confusing enough as it is.
There is a whole other site for international. .
As in [URL]internationalsexguide.info[/URL].
[QUOTE=FTP1999;2622994]Please keep this to US. It's confusing enough as it is. There is a whole other site for international. As in [URL]internationalsexguide.info[/URL].[/QUOTE]Another potential issue is that is that if anyone is planning on utilizing any level of technique, they're going to find that they will have to make subtle adjustments between different cities / metro areas for good results. Even up and down the east coast, I find that my approach has to be modified somewhat in order to deal with SBs that I talk to in one city versus another. South Florida is like another planet from most other cities -- influx of dirty money invokes the need for different tactics. Small differences in the statistical female to male ratio of a given area also makes a big difference. The way I deal with SBs in DC has to be different from the way I play my cards only a few hours away in Norfolk -- one area is poon-a-plenty and the other area is a sausage-fest. Girls are available in either on the SD sites, but the types, their expectations, and special handling can vary noticeably. I can only imagine those differences would be magnified in playing in the bowl across multiple countries. I think the geographical differences are one reason we've seen so many brothers come back to report failed results with bulk mailing canned scripts and such. What works in one area doesn't necessarily work everywhere with SBs. With escorts, sure. It's the worlds oldest profession and the formula is simpler and more universal, pay them and the panties drop -- shooting fish in a barrel, in that case the advice in any forum on USASG or ISG would probably work just as well as the advice here.
[QUOTE=FTP1999;2622994]Please keep this to US.
It's confusing enough as it is.
There is a whole other site for international. .
As in [URL]internationalsexguide.info[/URL].[/QUOTE]It's an interesting question.
After all, some of the sugar sites are international, so maybe this whole forum should be on the international board. I guess it depends on how many people travel and sugar.
Also, this is the Richmond board. So to be consistent, it should probably not be here.
Personally, I don't think it's worth the hassle of transferring everything. But if it did get to that, the idea of transferring to the international board to get a broader set of ideas, and to better align with the sugar sites themselves would be worth pursuing.
As an example of the principle of what I mean, and I don't want to discuss details as the details are OT, many people here have expressed interest in asian women. Well, guess what? If this were an international board, experiences from places like Angeles City (which nowadays operates much like a sugar bowl) would be on topic.
However, it is much better to have the discussions in one place to keep boards active. This board is doing ok, so why shift it, even if it is not really on topic for Richmond?
[QUOTE=RubberyMan;2623773]It's an interesting question.
After all, some of the sugar sites are international, so maybe this whole forum should be on the international board. I guess it depends on how many people travel and sugar.
Also, this is the Richmond board. So to be consistent, it should probably not be here.
Personally, I don't think it's worth the hassle of transferring everything. But if it did get to that, the idea of transferring to the international board to get a broader set of ideas, and to better align with the sugar sites themselves would be worth pursuing.
As an example of the principle of what I mean, and I don't want to discuss details as the details are OT, many people here have expressed interest in asian women. Well, guess what? If this were an international board, experiences from places like Angeles City (which nowadays operates much like a sugar bowl) would be on topic.
However, it is much better to have the discussions in one place to keep boards active. This board is doing ok, so why shift it, even if it is not really on topic for Richmond?[/QUOTE]You have a point, but to address the comment about Angeles City and Asian women -- as you pointed out Angeles City itself has its own characteristics. There are cities in the world where the idea of a "sugar daddy" is pretty much a non-issue, because the women in that region have the expectation that their boyfriend is always a provider of monetary and non-monetary gifts. With that in mind, talking about the expectations / attitudes etc of women there and hoping to map those experiences here in specific US cities is probably not going to work.
So, to answer your question of why shift it, I will only put forth my opinion. I've always thought the entire subject of sugar babies should not be lumped into any one city forum or even a specific topic. There is a vast range of differences in what people are doing with these SB sites. I'd like to see it all put into a special city-agnostic section with some sort of organization that makes more sense and facilitates communication in common interest. For example, I would prefer not to read the discussions from members who conceptualize the bowl as one thing and dating as "in real life" as if they were two separate ideas. To all of the SBs I've ever known, it's all "real life", and if it's not then they are just faking through the act of sex. The girls I like to meet make little to no differentiation between the guys they meet on SD sites and boyfriends. I recognize however, that's not what everyone wants or is expecting from an SD site. Some just want fast discrete hookups without the dating aspect, and want it at the cheapest price possible.
Wouldn't it be better to have a set of threads where those with a similar interest to mine could exchange tips and philosophy on the girls who look at it as dating and simultaneously have threads where people could post their daily anecdotal experiences or photos or whatever they care to talk about? Seems to me it would be a major improvement over trying to lump everything under one city.
As far as the separation of USASG vs ISG, I believe that's a choice the site owner made -- perhaps for business (ad revenue) reasons. I may be mistaken but I believe once upon a time USASG was the same as ISG.
I don't see a problem at all. Where is all this perceived confusion or problems with having guests from another country? Am I missing something?
Earlier I posted about my new lineup addition, the 23 yr old. I enjoyed her enough on Saturday that I had her over again on Sunday. Nice little body and tight.
This morning I get a text from the 33 yr old writer telling me she "woke up so horny she could hump her pillow" and wants to get together later today. I'm trying to do the right thing and set this up to help this poor woman.
Did I say I love the the bowl?
My 22 yr old model was supposed to meet me this Wednesday, but my work schedule is just not allowing it, so she agreed to push our meeting to Friday.
I'm still in contact with the 19 yr old read head patching up my screw up last Saturday. I'm bringing her around and trying to set up a M & G this Saturday.
I'm also keeping warm the conversation with the 29 yr old Latino hottie. That's still on the burner. Both her and the 19 year old live in the same city, so I'm trying to set the M & G's on the same day.
I'm seriously considering hiding my profile. I have enough action now, and I'm pretty content with my model and the 23 yr old model type not to mention the others in play.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2624230]
I'm seriously considering hiding my profile. I have enough action now, and I'm pretty content with my model and the 23 yr old model type not to mention the others in play.[/QUOTE]Ah dude, reconsider that. These things tend to run in spurts and while it is feast right now, it can be just a change in the phase of the moon and one is in famine territory.
Consider as wise what another bowl participant said, that 1) having several in play allows one to project confidence that attracts others and 2) that it makes sense to always be vetting new ones to fill the voids as they appear.
So as the famous line goes ABC. Always Be Closing!
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2624230]Earlier I posted about my new lineup addition, the 23 yr old. I enjoyed her enough on Saturday that I had her over again on Sunday. Nice little body and tight.
I'm seriously considering hiding my profile. I have enough action now, and I'm pretty content with my model and the 23 yr old model type not to mention the others in play.[/QUOTE]Cudos for your success. What is your monthly budget Mike? The only limit to Bowling is time and money. If you have unlimited amounts of each then keep your bait in the water. If you are tapping out you don't want to keep your info out there but be unavailable to close. Wait until a slot opens up and your profile will look fresh to the new listers. The temptation is to fuck as many strange pussies as you can --just because you can-and it is fun. But the goal is to have a continual supply available when you want them.
My current Baby is active on 3 sites while seeing me. She is not successful for reasons known only to me -but I know. But if she encounters other candidates I know she will add them in. Her pussy still smells clean -I can tell if other guys are dumping into the pot. She is a short termer anyway so I tolerate it since I need a dumpster who will BB.
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2624283]Ah dude, reconsider that. These things tend to run in spurts and while it is feast right now, it can be just a change in the phase of the moon and one is in famine territory.
Consider as wise what another bowl participant said, that 1) having several in play allows one to project confidence that attracts others and 2) that it makes sense to always be vetting new ones to fill the voids as they appear.
So as the famous line goes ABC. Always Be Closing![/QUOTE]What you speak of is very true. I haven't officially hidden it. More because I've been quite busy this week at work. I have noticed how the action ebbs and flows. It gets hot then will go slow with little action. Kind of like you said regarding the phases of the moon, but what is happening is the budget is getting a bit strained by the current action and others on the bench waiting to do a M & G. At any one time I could have 6 text messages going with six women, and all at once sometimes. It is a juggling act.
Thanks for the advice. It is noted.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2624345]Cudos for your success. What is your monthly budget Mike? The only limit to Bowling is time and money. If you have unlimited amounts of each then keep your bait in the water. If you are tapping out you don't want to keep your info out there but be unavailable to close. Wait until a slot opens up and your profile will look fresh to the new listers. The temptation is to fuck as many strange pussies as you can --just because you can-and it is fun. But the goal is to have a continual supply available when you want them.
My current Baby is active on 3 sites while seeing me. She is not successful for reasons known only to me -but I know. But if she encounters other candidates I know she will add them in. Her pussy still smells clean -I can tell if other guys are dumping into the pot. She is a short termer anyway so I tolerate it since I need a dumpster who will BB.[/QUOTE]My budget is pretty steady at 150 per meet with the exception of the 22 yr old model babe who is coming in at 250, and she is willing to drive to me, which cuts down on my hotel bill when she does that. She is perfectly willing to drive three hours as well as I am. I wouldn't do that for just anyone, but I like her. Not only is she physically appealing, but she also is intelligent (recent undergrad and verified by me), but polite and not selfish. And is also willing to please. All around nice girl.
I don't have a hard monthly budget as of yet.
Good point and that is what is kind of happening. I have my information out there, but I really don't want to close, because time is keeping me from seeing all of them, but I would like to keep them on the back burner though.
I do like the thrill of fucking new pussy, so today I might say I'm content, but next week or month I might start to get tired of the same pussy even though the model and the model type girls are hot. I do know that from being married to a hot Asian for 2 1/2 years, but living together for five that pussy can get old no matter how hot the woman is. That is just my feeling on the situation, so it won't surprise me if I get back to dabbling in the bowl after awhile.
I have the 33 yr old writer, but with our schedules I see so little of her I can't really say she is in my lineup. I haven't yet cut loose the Senior and Asian Grad student.
Yesterday I finally was able to hook up with the 33 yr old writer. She met me at my house for lunch and we went at it. We don't see each other much, because our schedules just don't align most of the time, but yesterday it did.
She gave me the longest BBBJ I have had in a while. It appeared she was missing my cock, of which I was the beneficiary. But what got me going was when she finished, and she was starting to move up to mount me I looked down her body and her pussy was literally dripping it was so wet. She rode me like she hasn't had sex in a while. When finished we showed up and gave each other a little peck and back to work we both went.
Reminds me of that old song Afternoon Delight LOL.
I don't see this one often. We did go out last weekend, but we didn't end in the FC, because of extenuating circumstances. Not her fault or mine. Long story. But the bottom line was no sugar to her for no sugar to me. So she essentially came back to get that sugar from me and gave me dripping sugar.