"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2616808]The idea that trading info on a baby will devolve into something like an exchange of names of girls on CL or BP presumes the pot / baby will respond to any Tom, Dick or Harry. Yes, girls from CL and BP who post an ad are likely looking to make a quick buck, and or likely to respond to any Tom Dick, or Harry. Every major city has the type of page you reference in your post. Yes, there are plenty of UTR girls that are on SA.

A pot / sb can only be treated like a escort if she allows for it. If that's not who she is, then she won't return messages that treat her as such.

And as for scaring away babies from the bowl, why would info sharing do that? It should help them stay in the bowl since a good baby will be guaranteed to have high quality SDs who already knows what she wants, allowing her to pick a SD that suits her tastes.

Frankly, I would love it if my SBs shared my info.[/QUOTE]My initial comments weren't aimed as much at the babies as they were a general observation about the tone and quality of this particular thread, which I find outstanding and unique compared to the rest of the forum. I have been contributing since the beginning, and with two or three short exceptions, have seen nothing but class, intelligence and willingness to help among the brotherhood. I am happy to contribute my experiences to such a thread. My purpose in comparing it to the Chicago thread was to highlight what could happen to this most excellent journal if it devolves into hooker-swapping, that's all. For me, it would become a thread I would not post to, which is why I don't post in my own area in Chicago.

Regarding scaring the babies away - put yourself in their position for a minute and I think it will become clear. You are a 20 something who heard about the Bowl from a segment on TV. You sign up, but are skittish, and when you finally meet someone who seems nice, you begin to get messages out of the blue possibly containing a phrase like, "Hi there, Very Young Baby. My friend Smelly, who you've been seeing, told me you were into getting spanked. I like that too! Let's cut the bs and hook up. " Exaggerated for effect, of course, but you get the drift. She runs for cover, never to be seen again by you or anyone else. Too many of those situations and you've got an empty Bowl, except for the pros and UTRs. A bleak future to be sure. We may need to agree to disagree on this point, but personally I see no benefit in sharing info on the good ones. Outing scammers and crooks is another matter.

Lastly, I completely understand that I'm not the only one contacting the girls in my area, that we all initially have the same chances, and ultimately it is the little fish who decides if she is going to rise to my fly or someone else's. That being said, I don't think I am required to point her out to someone else and tell them exactly how to approach her. Let them learn on their own. I'm just thankful that the SDs in Chicago for the most part seem clueless!

Peace to us all.

Scott.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2615808]My swim instructor has been my SB for a few months, but I didn't really pursue her for very long.[/QUOTE]If I recall correctly you were patient with her and worked on her over many dates before making it to the FC! Unlike the typical SB who guys get into FC on the second or third date max.

Some of us are real bastards! We start drooling whenever we hear of a babe who was worth all the time and effort. PM her pic if you can.

Fscott. I agree that your scenario where one SD introduces himself in the manner you describe would be offputting and scare away pots. Out of sheer self interest of landing a baby, I would suspect most guys would not, since it would essentially kill their chance of actually making it to the FC. Then again, I may be giving too much credit to our brothers in the bowl.

Of course if you know whether a pot's profile expectations are complete bs, whether she is into white, black, Hispanic or asian guys, and whether her schedule might likely coincide with yours. That info saves quite a bit of time that would be otherwise spent on messaging and money spent on meet and greets, along with dinners.

So I agree with your specific example, but not the overall argument. I also agree that posting info on babies to the forum is a terrible idea because you've just exponentially increased the pool of competition.

I also don't think anyone should be required to participate in anything they don't want to. What I am saying is that if you find a like minded SD with similar tastes, it could save you both quite a bit of time and energy. Assuming one grows tired with his SBs of course.

As for me, I am in the enviable situation of not needing info right now, but also don't have the hubris to think that I might not need it later.

[QUOTE=FScott;2616864]My initial comments weren't aimed as much at the babies as they were a general observation about the tone and quality of this particular thread, which I find outstanding and unique compared to the rest of the forum. I have been contributing since the beginning, and with two or three short exceptions, have seen nothing but class, intelligence and willingness to help among the brotherhood. I am happy to contribute my experiences to such a thread. My purpose in comparing it to the Chicago thread was to highlight what could happen to this most excellent journal if it devolves into hooker-swapping, that's all. For me, it would become a thread I would not post to, which is why I don't post in my own area in Chicago.

Regarding scaring the babies away - put yourself in their position for a minute and I think it will become clear. You are a 20 something who heard about the Bowl from a segment on TV. You sign up, but are skittish, and when you finally meet someone who seems nice, you begin to get messages out of the blue possibly containing a phrase like, "Hi there, Very Young Baby. My friend Smelly, who you've been seeing, told me you were into getting spanked. I like that too! Let's cut the bs and hook up. " Exaggerated for effect, of course, but you get the drift. She runs for cover, never to be seen again by you or anyone else. Too many of those situations and you've got an empty Bowl, except for the pros and UTRs. A bleak future to be sure. We may need to agree to disagree on this point, but personally I see no benefit in sharing info on the good ones. Outing scammers and crooks is another matter.

Lastly, I completely understand that I'm not the only one contacting the girls in my area, that we all initially have the same chances, and ultimately it is the little fish who decides if she is going to rise to my fly or someone else's. That being said, I don't think I am required to point her out to someone else and tell them exactly how to approach her. Let them learn on their own. I'm just thankful that the SDs in Chicago for the most part seem clueless!

Peace to us all.

Scott.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FScott;2616864]My initial comments weren't aimed as much at the babies as they were a general observation about the tone and quality of this particular thread, which I find outstanding and unique compared to the rest of the forum. I have been contributing since the beginning, and with two or three short exceptions, have seen nothing but class, intelligence and willingness to help among the brotherhood. I am happy to contribute my experiences to such a thread. My purpose in comparing it to the Chicago thread was to highlight what could happen to this most excellent journal if it devolves into hooker-swapping, that's all. For me, it would become a thread I would not post to, which is why I don't post in my own area in Chicago.

Scott.[/QUOTE]That exact scenario exists here and on every board. If you check CL, BP, UTR, etc you will see the shameless bartering that goes on everywhere. "give me digits for XX and I'll trade you a hot Redbone up on Rt 66" You have seen it my brothers.

Having said that and cringing at the crassness of the deal, a private group in each area could be instructive. Guys are possessive about their finds and don't want to give a lead to others, but there IS valuable info to be had. It should be offered openly without demand for quid pro quo, and only to proven members who have been around and posted enough for their name to be familiar. Lets say I am working Suzie Q. I would love to float a query out to the group if there is any intel on her. Some guys might have some valid pointers that would enhance or deter further efforts. I have had bad experiences that I would love to share in private, but not on the public forum here, for reasons given by several of the brotherhood. Face it -we all have a shot at each SB on the sites. You don't have to blow your strategy with her but can still offer some facts about those you have info on.

My swim instructor did take more than the typical messaging, m&g, then trip to the FC. I was more patient with her than any other baby I've had.

The only pics I have of her are Fb pics. I don't take pics in the FC, for my own protection.

As for sending them to you, I will have to respectfully decline my friend. I could just download a random blondes Facebook pic and sent it to you. I could also send you her Facebook pic since you will probably never run across her in real life.

I would not want to disrespect either of you in that way, and yes, she is special to me. Your imagination will have to suffice.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2616876]If I recall correctly you were patient with her and worked on her over many dates before making it to the FC! Unlike the typical SB who guys get into FC on the second or third date max.

Some of us are real bastards! We start drooling whenever we hear of a babe who was worth all the time and effort. PM her pic if you can.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2616811]JL. Not an attack by any means, but more of a question because you post so authoritatively on the issue. Do you have a legal or law enforcement background?[/QUOTE]Not involved with LE at all, but I guess you could say reasonably educated (including a reasonable amount of formal academic experience on the subject) on certain aspects of the law. Life experience has taught me that when there is a hobby that I enjoy (sugarbabies for example), there is always a risk of that hobby being eroded / shut down etc. by activities that take it beyond the boundaries of the law. So I guess you could say I'm passionate about the subject as it applies to our hobby here? Sugarbabying in itself is not illegal, so I don't support the activities of those who stretch it into illegal territory, it only threatens the hobby for the rest of us.

My posts are not meant to sound authoritative, however. They are just providing facts that give the reader the benefit of the doubt that they know enough about how to use a search engine to verify. I never ask anyone to take my word for anything -- all I ask is that nobody request me to research things for them or spoon feed them the fruits of my own research labor. Everything I've said is easily verifiable for someone with moderate research skills and/or the same level of wherewithal to learn how the law works. I always say never believe anything you read over the net - find it out for yourself. And until you've put in the grunt work to do so, it's possibly wise to take the word of someone who already has.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2616909]

As for sending them to you, I will have to respectfully decline my friend. I could just download a random blondes Facebook pic and sent it to you. I could also send you her Facebook pic since you will probably never run across her in real life.

I would not want to disrespect either of you in that way, and yes, she is special to me. Your imagination will have to suffice.[/QUOTE]I rest my case, haha! Tastefully handled, Smelly.

Scott.

I think we all can agree that playing in the bowl isn't illegal. I don't think any true SB is being subjected to human trafficing because they have the ability to simply ignore a crass message.

My question is, how would trading information on a legal activity make that activity illegal? For example, would swapping info on which lake has the best trout somehow make fishing illegal?

Sure, I agree public lists of UTRs and pros masquerading on SA is undesirable. That should be saved for other parts of this website and has no place here in this forum. I also agree that too much publicity can have a serious negative affect on the bowl.

I am interested in why sharing information on what someone likes and dislikes would be considered potentially criminal activity, especially if you agree that playing in the bowl isn't illegal (although I think we would both agree that depending on how one plays, it could arguably cross the line).

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2616920]Not involved with LE at all, but I guess you could say reasonably educated (including a reasonable amount of formal academic experience on the subject) on certain aspects of the law. Life experience has taught me that when there is a hobby that I enjoy (sugarbabies for example), there is always a risk of that hobby being eroded / shut down etc. by activities that take it beyond the boundaries of the law. So I guess you could say I'm passionate about the subject as it applies to our hobby here? Sugarbabying in itself is not illegal, so I don't support the activities of those who stretch it into illegal territory, it only threatens the hobby for the rest of us.

My posts are not meant to sound authoritative, however. They are just providing facts that give the reader the benefit of the doubt that they know enough about how to use a search engine to verify. I never ask anyone to take my word for anything -- all I ask is that nobody request me to research things for them or spoon feed them the fruits of my own research labor. Everything I've said is easily verifiable for someone with moderate research skills and/or the same level of wherewithal to learn how the law works. I always say never believe anything you read over the net - find it out for yourself. And until you've put in the grunt work to do so, it's probably better to take the word of someone who already has.[/QUOTE]

Although if pghguy lived in the mid Atlantic rather than the Southeast, and if we shared the same taste in girls, I probably would be willing to share her info with him to give him a leg up on the competition after we end our arrangement and assuming her profile goes live again.

Unlike FM, I do believe a quid pro quo is required, but mainly to keep everyone honest. Like any good economist, I beleive there is no free lunch and in the problems associated with free riders.

That being said, yes, she is special to me, so your point is taken. Well done sir.

[QUOTE=FScott;2616928]I rest my case, haha! Tastefully handled, Smelly.

Scott.[/QUOTE]

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