"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

My guess is that she's sugaring with multiple SDs in multiple regions.

I suspect the less interest you show in what she does, the more she'll want to tell you. In my humble opinion, I've found the fairer sex to be funny in that way.

At the end of the day, does it matter to you? Her trips out of town save you from the awkward situation of being out with a new baby and running into her.

Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2611957]Now that I've come down from my high, and it's not as if I didn't have certain things run through my mind at the time of the meet, but I want feedback from you guys. I want to know what you think my baby does for a living.

I will give you my conclusion first. I've been wrong before, so here goes. I'm thinking my new girl works in the porn industry or maybe nude magazines. Here's why I think that. On our meet and greet we had a nice dinner with very good conversation. She does have intelligence as she is a recent graduate of a Div I university. Periodically she travels to Las Vegas to work for a modeling catalog. As she describes it it is "an off brand company". This was after I asked what retailer it was. What is the secret about revealing what retailer it is I thought. She says she used to work in California, but now works in Las Vegas. When asking her if she still works in California from time to time she said she doesn't because that company had a requirement of working under a contract. The company in LV allows her to work as an independent, which gives her much more freedom as she put it. She said she pretty much works when the money gets low, and will go out for a week at a time to do the shoots. When it was near the end of our FC meeting she made a point to say to contact her after she returns. Reading her and between the lines I took it that she can't be interrupted while she is working. That in itself doesn't bother me, because I would have no reason to call her anyway, but it came across as she can't be interrupted. Oh I forgot to add that she mentioned she works at the Aria casino from time to time as a greeter for special occasions or events going on there.

My take is one she is doing porn films.

Two she is shooting in nude magazines.

Three she has another daddy in LV.

Four she is escorting for the Aria or has certain clients that fly her out. (I do know of this about many hot women from around the country can go into LV and escort for a month, sometimes exclusively with a hotel and come away with 10 to 15 k in a month minimum, then come home.

Five she is modeling clothing for a retail store's catalog.

On a side note during our dinner while she was describing her work and where she works I asked her if she was in the adult industry. She said she didn't and that everyone she talks to about her profession thinks the same thing. Personally I didn't take the bait that she is a legit model. What say you, guys?

I also have to mention that on her spare time she is a lifeguard for a local fire department or something.[/QUOTE]

Concur 100%. So many of these girls think that if they make themselves to available, you will lose interest. What they don't realize is that if they don't act fast, they may lose their spot in line for the sugar.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2612153]Don't think you need to study more. It is part of the game they play.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2612265]My guess is that she's sugaring with multiple SDs in multiple regions.

I suspect the less interest you show in what she does, the more she'll want to tell you. In my humble opinion, I've found the fairer sex to be funny in that way.

At the end of the day, does it matter to you? Her trips out of town save you from the awkward situation of being out with a new baby and running into her.

Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]If she takes care of you for a decent price don't worry about it. Just don't fall for her. My guess is you pay her a lot -maybe too much. Serial SBs / escorts run a fine line and in fact are the same IMHO. They both usually command higher PPOs in the $300-500 range, or more. Low volume escorts might have a book of 5 -10 guys, and of course her cover story is great for having the flexibility to come and go when she has a booking.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2611957]
On a side note during our dinner while she was describing her work and where she works I asked her if she was in the adult industry. She said she didn't and that everyone she talks to about her profession thinks the same thing. Personally I didn't take the bait that she is a legit model. What say you, guys?
[/QUOTE]I'd wager she is in some aspect of the adult industry or has just created a story to explain otherwise unexplained jaunts where she is traveling and can't be reached (I. E. Visits with SD numbers 12 and 17, etc). I once met a foreign girl on a civy dating site who did not have a photo with her profile. Her excuse was she had not had time to digitize a photo and upload one (this was before most people had smartphones with cams), but she assured me was as described and also an established model in her home country and a journalist. When I finally met her in person, she handed me magazines with marked pages that had advertisements featuring her modeling and examples of published newspaper articles... she was exactly as described.

My point is that if your POT did legitimate modeling, you probably wouldn't be able to get away from looking at examples of her work. That's how they both network professionally and feed their own egos simultaneously. My story may not apply in every case, but it reflects one man's opinion -- she seems like she is hiding something from you.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2612107]There is a growing porn industry emerging here in LV. Both video, and photo as well as Cam-girl "Studios" I have an acquaintance from Houston that travels to Vegas about every 90 days to shoot video content. Early on in my Sugar Bowl adventures I met a young woman who made a decent living working as a Cam Girl. Your POT sounds more like someone doing Adult work rather than Sears catalog modeling.[/QUOTE]

Right. The porn industry, largely in Van Nuys, have been moving out of the area to other counties and to Las Vegas, because of a condom law that was passed a few years ago.

As she was telling me her reasons that she used to work in California and now in LV that went through my mind. At the end of the day it doesn't matter to me. I have my other babies I take care of, so if that's her thing I don't really care. She's very hot, still has young pussy, and good in bed. I just wanted to see if I was right in my intuition.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2612265]My guess is that she's sugaring with multiple SDs in multiple regions.

I suspect the less interest you show in what she does, the more she'll want to tell you. In my humble opinion, I've found the fairer sex to be funny in that way.

At the end of the day, does it matter to you? Her trips out of town save you from the awkward situation of being out with a new baby and running into her.

Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]Oh no it doesn't matter to me. Just testing if my senses are still sharp.

She also is so willing to drive to me or anywhere. She said it's nothing for her to jump in her car and drive across the country if need be. I liked that, because she is three hours from me, but that is one young woman who is worth it. For now at least. At some point all pussy gets boring to me over time. My ex Asian wife was hot, but there was a point of no big deal and it became boring. So I'll ride this as long as I'm excited about it. It might take me a year. Who knows.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2612353]I'd wager she is in some aspect of the adult industry or has just created a story to explain otherwise unexplained jaunts where she is traveling and can't be reached (I. E. Visits with SD numbers 12 and 17, etc). I once met a foreign girl on a civy dating site who did not have a photo with her profile. Her excuse was she had not had time to digitize a photo and upload one (this was before most people had smartphones with cams), but she assured me was as described and also an established model in her home country and a journalist. When I finally met her in person, she handed me magazines with marked pages that had advertisements featuring her modeling and examples of published newspaper articles... she was exactly as described.

My point is that if your POT did legitimate modeling, you probably wouldn't be able to get away from looking at examples of her work. That's how they both network professionally and feed their own egos simultaneously. My story may not apply in every case, but it reflects one man's opinion -- she seems like she is hiding something from you.[/QUOTE]Good points and the legitimate take can still be real. She is quite petite and feminine. There is no hardness to her at all as if she was a pro in the industry. She did just graduate last year. It is still all so early. In subsequent meetings we will see what comes out I. E. Showing modeling magazines as you mentioned or what Fish and Fred Moore suggested that when she gets comfortable with me she'll reveal any adult stuff. .

Much appreciated from you guys. I value your opinions.

In a way if this young lady is leading that life I can see how it can be fun and adventurous for them to work (whatevery it is) in other states and just take off to a place when called upon. I can see how they could get addicted to that life. It's got to be fun for them. I know it's fun for me dating all these young college students.

I'm in Burbank now. Hollywood Guy's stomping grounds pretty much. I'm reaching out to several and getting replies from these college ladies. When back in school they're hungry for some help.

Also I might add. There is so much more quality young women here compared to where I'm from. I see it everywhere everyday.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2610778] .... Agree with everyone else that asking about amount early is usually a sign of trouble. A reasonable amount of chat over the SA site or email, followed by a Coffee m&g was always the most successful for me. And in many cases I would go into it with no expectations and find myself pleased with the results...[/QUOTE]Who is asking for the amount. SB or me? Do you try to get the SB's expectation $ right off the bat per HWG methodology? It seems like you do not and go through the m&g etc.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2612785]Who is asking for the amount. SB or me? Do you try to get the SB's expectation $ right off the bat per HWG methodology? It seems like you do not and go through the m&g etc.[/QUOTE]I make it a point never to talk definite sugar amounts before the m&g. It starts things off on a transactional basis, and the options are you either hit their number on the head, which rarely happens, you are below it, in which case you are now a cheap ass bastard in their minds, or you are above it, in which case you are now overpaying for something you could have gotten less expensively.

I prefer meeting them first, determining if I want to pursue them, turning on the charm, and talking sugar at the very end, or sometimes even on the second date. I find that the babies that want a number upfront are either pros, utrs, or are shopping one SD against another, and waiting for the highest number, which often turns out to come from a bullshitter or a fake.

Hollywood had a method which seemed to work for the kind of baby he was happy to bang, but I wonder how many of them were pros pretending to be babies.

In the end, we all have to craft an approach that works for us, and is the most successful for the kind of little fish we are angling for. You don't use a bass lure to go after trout.

Scott.

[QUOTE=FScott;2612830]I make it a point never to talk definite sugar amounts before the m&g. It starts things off on a transactional basis, and the options are you either hit their number on the head, which rarely happens, you are below it, in which case you are now a cheap ass bastard in their minds, or you are above it, in which case you are now overpaying for something you could have gotten less expensively.

I prefer meeting them first, determining if I want to pursue them, turning on the charm, and talking sugar at the very end, or sometimes even on the second date. I find that the babies that want a number upfront are either pros, utrs, or are shopping one SD against another, and waiting for the highest number, which often turns out to come from a bullshitter or a fake.

Hollywood had a method which seemed to work for the kind of baby he was happy to bang, but I wonder how many of them were pros pretending to be babies.

In the end, we all have to craft an approach that works for us, and is the most successful for the kind of little fish we are angling for. You don't use a bass lure to go after trout.

Scott.[/QUOTE]Completely agree. Here's the crazy thing. Unless they are pros, they are still real, live women. None of them want to think they are hookers. If they like you, they will sleep with you for less than if you are "meh". And most of them won't sleep with you at all if they think you are a loser, no matter how much.

So unless you have no game whatsoever, don't talk sugar until after you meet. Make them comfortable. All the same crap you do on a date. Then once they like you. Hell. It becomes "spend 20 minutes blowing this guy for $75. Sure. Got nothing else going on".

I'm in Burbank. Hollywood Guy's neck of the woods. I've put feelers out since before I left. Met one today for a m & g. 22 yr old, 5'7" and slim. FC is planned for Monday.

She actually has a Persian look to her.

If she performs well then I'll have one here when I visit. I'm having so much fun with this stuff.

Good to hear that many are having success in the bowl. There appears to be a supply and demand imbalance that is favoring our side of the equation.

My weekend went well. Was able to use one room for two babies. My blonde swim instructor in the morning and one of my new additions to the rotation was an overnight. The new addition is amazing and has me thinking about dropping my blondie because of the massive allowance disparity.

Of the three M&Gs that were scheduled, one went completley dark and tore down her profile. She had promise though. The other two ended up being rescheduled due to my work schedule. Oddly enough thougj a random pot I jad been messaging texted me and we are now set for a trip to the FC later this month.

Its pouring pussy fellahs. Best of luck to all the players in the bowl!

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2614164]I'm in Burbank. Hollywood Guy's neck of the woods. I've put feelers out since before I left. Met one today for a m & g. 22 yr old, 5'7" and slim. FC is planned for Monday.

She actually has a Persian look to her.

If she performs well then I'll have one here when I visit. I'm having so much fun with this stuff.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2615558]...My blonde swim instructor in the morning and one of my new additions to the rotation was an overnight. The new addition is amazing and has me thinking about dropping my blondie because of the massive allowance disparity.
...[/QUOTE]Of the blonde swim instructor. I / We intrigued by the babe you had to pursue tenaciously for so long.

Too bad there is a "drought" in the south east.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2615558]Good to hear that many are having success in the bowl. There appears to be a supply and demand imbalance that is favoring our side of the equation.

My weekend went well. Was able to use one room for two babies. My blonde swim instructor in the morning and one of my new additions to the rotation was an overnight. The new addition is amazing and has me thinking about dropping my blondie because of the massive allowance disparity.

Its pouring pussy fellahs. Best of luck to all the players in the bowl![/QUOTE]Pussy is available if you have enough 1) time and 2) money. The challenge for me is I have a dearth of both to spend on the hobby.