Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1790430]I cannot take the credit for the provider rant, if you are insinuating it was me that wrote it. If I did write it, I wouldn't hide behind an alias. I'm not sure I have the creative writing skills of PhatDaty and LexLuther to produce a rant like that, but I will admit it is funny.

Where has PhatDaty been lately, anyway? I would love to see a follow. Up rant from the view of a hobbyist.

Kisses,

Molly[/QUOTE]I have been hip and elbow (among other parts of the anatomy) deep in pretty women all weekend. I missed this little Jonathan Swift tirade that is the hobby version of telling folks the best way to solve poverty is to encourage the poor to eat their children.

I am still a bit pussy drunk from my escapades, but my first observation is this is written by a male. Only a male, or a very keen, yet shrewd and vile woman that has been scorned, has that deep of an insight into the fear and inadequacies that all men (including the good ones) carry buried in their psyche. Most folks need to know, the deepest fear of all men is not being ignored by women, but rather laughed at by them for being less than a man, especially in front of other women.

Let's maul this one over a day or so, and maybe I will respond, but as I said, I believe it is a guy attempting to be a woman, or, I hope this isn't the case, a bitter woman that has had enough of this business that she probably wasn't cut out for from the beginning that had something unfortunate happen to her. That being said, there are worse jobs out there with poor working conditions, and even lower pay:

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I thought the manner in which he reported it was kind of rude. Though he may have just wanted to be brief. I don't know the lady I don't know if she has some falsies she uses. I didn't take the guys post down because ThGoodSh is correct, this board is about info and his info is worth knowing. Any info withheld before the date is info worth knowing. If the lady has a denture she wears and you can't see it there wouldn't be an issue for me. (IMO) If I opened the door and a toothless person answered the door I would also leave. This is a cold business ladies, its partly about skills and attitude but it's also about the package.

I took the unusual step of allowing her to zing back because I thought the manner in which he reported it was pretty cold. I had something like this happen to me down here and I informed our local forum that there was an issue I would pass the info through PMs. When it's something they can't fix like a physical thing, they aren't putting up fake photos, and lots of guys have posted positively about them I think putting a notice like "I saw X and there was an issue unrelated to safety and I canceled the date. If you're thinking of seeing her you can PM me for details" is a better way of handling it.

No blue ink in this post, this is my opinion and not representative of the forum.

A2

[QUOTE=TheGoodSh; 1791254]You guys are out of line.

Did the guy lie in his report of her? Was he cruel? No.

He just said it wasn't for him, and he left. I probably wouldn't have left but I might have felt let down by this community and vaguely taken advantage of by her for hiding this part of her appearance. Teeth are supposed to be in your mouth. It's a expected norm. I am not judging her, she might be quite attractive. But it is an expected norm: [b]2 tits. 2 arms. 2 legs. 2 hands. 2 feet. Fingers. Toes. 2 eyes, a nose, a normal set of teeth. A clean body. Clean hair. Clean mouth. Clean in-call, discretion, and a decent attitude are also expected norms. [/b] Girls get tagged all the time for missing some part of this baseline standard. Apparently saying a girl is missing her teeth is rude?

His report was accurate and straightforward. He did not "humiliate her" nor was he "rude to her". He told the MEN on this site who pay women for sex about an unreported and unexpected variable. He did what he was supposed to do and I am glad he did that. One of the factors we use to decide who to see is how attractive we find them. So what a girl looks like is completely relevant to a report and when guys get all flowery or vague about how heavy a girl is, or how rough and homemade her tattoos are, or any number of other things it doesn't help anyone long term.

[b]Why should he pay her for her time? [/b]He lost at least as much time as she did. Is her time more valuable than his? It is her fault that he didn't know what he was going to get, and it is his right to walk away. I am pretty sure this is a standard rule.

Any of you who have seen her and knew this, hid it from everyone. I thought this site's whole purpose was to keep guys safe, to allow guys to find what they are looking for. We review women we pay for sex to achieve those two ends most effectively. Instead of flaming this guy, you should thank him, because unfortunately we operate under the watchful eyes of providers, and therefore guys on here aren't willing to be totally honest.

I know that some girls might miss out on some business by hiding the parts of themselves they believe will be less appealing. I don't think it helps them in the long run and I don't think it is right. Guys out there like all kinds of women.

As far as the girl in question. Some guys will care about it and not want to see you, no matter your services or other positive qualities. You'd rather have a bunch of clients who like you as you are, and who treat you right. I would think the best way to handle this is just saying sorry it didn't work out, but knowing this could keep happening. Yeah, it sucks you lost the time, but that is the risk of not having face-shots. He lost out too. Neither of you is happy. That's business. Your appearance is part of your business. And as you girls find it easy to distinguish the line between business and personal time once the hour runs out, you should have no problems with a report which reviews a facet of your business.

However, I do not understand why you mongers are complaining about this dude's report.[/QUOTE]Sir, everything that you just said was spot on. I can't believe these morons are ridiculing this guy for what is helpful information to me. He never downed her. I want to know if I've just set up a date with a toothless woman by golly! I've seen good reviews for envy me so I believe she knows how to satisfy a man. The man just stated that she was not his cup of tea due to the teeth issue.

The voice of reason and intelligence has spoken; or has written. I am still trying to figure out what this guy did that was so wrong. His post was short, direct and factual. It was not rude and did not, in any way, humiliate her. He shared information and provided us with nothing more than what he felt were the facts regarding his "encounter".

You all attack this guy as if he harmed her in some way. I am struggling to see how he harmed her or did anything wrong. The attacks on him and lack of support from his fellow mongers is what is wrong. It would have been nice if someone who had reviewed her had included these details in their post. That would have been helpful information to everyone.

If you have seen her in the past and enjoyed your encounter; great. The missing teeth were obviously not an issue for you. Don't beat up on this guy for walking away. For him, that was a deal breaker.

[QUOTE=TheGoodSh; 1791254]You guys are out of line.

Did the guy lie in his report of her? Was he cruel? No.

He just said it wasn't for him, and he left. I probably wouldn't have left but I might have felt let down by this community and vaguely taken advantage of by her for hiding this part of her appearance. Teeth are supposed to be in your mouth. It's a expected norm. I am not judging her, she might be quite attractive. But it is an expected norm: [b]2 tits. 2 arms. 2 legs. 2 hands. 2 feet. Fingers. Toes. 2 eyes, a nose, a normal set of teeth. A clean body. Clean hair. Clean mouth. Clean in-call, discretion, and a decent attitude are also expected norms. [/b] Girls get tagged all the time for missing some part of this baseline standard. Apparently saying a girl is missing her teeth is rude?

His report was accurate and straightforward. He did not "humiliate her" nor was he "rude to her". He told the MEN on this site who pay women for sex about an unreported and unexpected variable. He did what he was supposed to do and I am glad he did that. One of the factors we use to decide who to see is how attractive we find them. So what a girl looks like is completely relevant to a report and when guys get all flowery or vague about how heavy a girl is, or how rough and homemade her tattoos are, or any number of other things it doesn't help anyone long term.

[b]Why should he pay her for her time? [/b]He lost at least as much time as she did. Is her time more valuable than his? It is her fault that he didn't know what he was going to get, and it is his right to walk away. I am pretty sure this is a standard rule.

Any of you who have seen her and knew this, hid it from everyone. I thought this site's whole purpose was to keep guys safe, to allow guys to find what they are looking for. We review women we pay for sex to achieve those two ends most effectively. Instead of flaming this guy, you should thank him, because unfortunately we operate under the watchful eyes of providers, and therefore guys on here aren't willing to be totally honest.

I know that some girls might miss out on some business by hiding the parts of themselves they believe will be less appealing. I don't think it helps them in the long run and I don't think it is right. Guys out there like all kinds of women.

As far as the girl in question. Some guys will care about it and not want to see you, no matter your services or other positive qualities. You'd rather have a bunch of clients who like you as you are, and who treat you right. I would think the best way to handle this is just saying sorry it didn't work out, but knowing this could keep happening. Yeah, it sucks you lost the time, but that is the risk of not having face-shots. He lost out too. Neither of you is happy. That's business. Your appearance is part of your business. And as you girls find it easy to distinguish the line between business and personal time once the hour runs out, you should have no problems with a report which reviews a facet of your business.

However, I do not understand why you mongers are complaining about this dude's report.[/QUOTE]

What are we discussing Race Horses or a Person.

[QUOTE=TheGoodSh;1791254]However, I do not understand why you mongers are complaining about this dude's report.[/QUOTE]First how exactly the monger Community didn't keep this AngryJohnny safe? It's no ones responsibility but yourself. So don't go blaming the guys on the board because you're disappointed about a girl you see over her looks.

The post he wrote about her was rude. He wasn't factual about how she welcomed him in and was ready to give a session. I know that she doesn't want her face shot out there because of she wants her identity kept out of the public. EnvyMe has been a provider for some time now and in the beginning did have face shots on her web site and here. So if AngryJohnny did his research he would of known.

Besides who is that shadow of a person about a persons appearance that if they don't look like perfect looking "Miss America" types you slam them in a post. There's nothing written to do such. Except if you're a cad.

What if a provider has a scar some where visible from an accident. Or maybe she has a bad eye from an accident or what's call lazy eye. Or maybe the girl has bad toe nails. God forbid. One slight physical flaw yet she could be the nicest person you meet.

Your rant on the two tits, two arms, etc was just ridiculous if not hilarious. Like I said are we talking about Race Horses on judging looks or women. Very shadow of a person does this and no it's really not part of business to be rude and cruel to people either in the real business world and Hobby world.

WFT is this standard rules you mentioned. Post a copy on the board for the rest of us so we'll know. Will ya do that.

AngryJohnny contacted her not the other way around so yeah he wasted her time. In good business sense if he cancelled on the spot he could of been a gentleman and give a parcel payment for HER TIME. Many providers have statements on their web site about cancellations. Hell you read on the StreetWalkers board where the guy picks up a girl and decides he doesn't want to partake so be flips her a $10 or something as he drops her off. Just a curtesy thing to do if you're a gentlemen.

Now if AngryJohnny said he didn't like what he saw but gave her a parcel payment and said sorry but I can't. Then it would of been a different story now would it.

I just don't believe it's part of the business to treat the women as raw meat with no feelings and say rude comments about them. I've been in the Hobby just before the eighties. Long before we had Internet and learned my way through it without anyones help so I take full responsibility for my decisions. Once in Chicago I went to see a provider at her home and when she took off her sweater I saw lots of track marks. I knew not insults this nice lady but I decided not to partake so I gave her a minimum payment for her time and thanked her. No hard feels and no drama.

We here should be glad there are a lot of nice women who will provide for us guys. One lady I knew at an AMP said it best,"if there wasn't places for you guys to get this you all would go crazy". She was right.

So does anybody see my perspective on all this. I think this is more than just EnvyMe but about all the ladies here.

Well at least AngryJohnny has one friend in his corner and that's TheGoodSh.

Harpo

Listen, I have never seen this young lady before. No white knight at all! Not sure if I would anyway but that is a personal preference. But the fact the she is missing two front teeth, so what. Do you know why? Maybe an old obusive be, f car wreck or who knows.

But she still commands R. E. S. P. E. C. T! Damn, that song was just playing on WGGR by A Franklin! I have seen mostly good reviews of this lady and her pics are sexy. Has she taken you for money, ripped you off for other things like I know someone did to me (had to put that in!) NO! Enyme is out to create a life to get by and to better herself. Again, never have seen her, but wants to add my 2 cents worth. Life is a *****, then you die! Actually, I might have to see her since your report was complete be / S and scathing of young provider who is trying to make things. Work!

[QUOTE=EnvyMe; 1790859]Perfectly fine you left did not bother yes irked my nerves wasting my time. Regardless my two front teeth gone I know what I'm doing and I dnt claim, tell people they won't walk after doing me as I have told people and they laugh because the link in your trunk did no harm. U can ridicule all you want you are a douche bag and dnt know the reason behind nothing. I know how work myself and damn good at what I do. People shouldn't knock unless they try it. Goodbye.

[blue]Normally this would be a completely pointless drama post but well, I think he had it coming. So just this one time A2 will look away from his screen.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wingman Todd; 1791529]Listen, I have never seen this young lady before. No white knight at all! Not sure if I would anyway but that is a personal preference. But the fact the she is missing two front teeth, so what. Do you know why? Maybe an old obusive be, f car wreck or who knows.

But she still commands R. E. S. P. E. C. T! Damn, that song was just playing on WGGR by A Franklin! I have seen mostly good reviews of this lady and her pics are sexy. Has she taken you for money, ripped you off for other things like I know someone did to me (had to put that in!) NO! Enyme is out to create a life to get by and to better herself. Again, never have seen her, but wants to add my 2 cents worth. Life is a, then you die! Actually, I might have to see her since your report was complete be / S and scathing of young provider who is trying to make things. Work![/QUOTE]Yea, I had a great fathers day, saw a local provider in Michigan were I'm working and got to tell you, gorgeous looking, long legs and not the best set of choppers I have ever seen, didn't stop the little man from jumping right in her mouth. Hell, I couldn't see her teeth, with my cock down her throat. I too have never seen Envy Me, but if missing a couple of teeth is a buzz kill, oh you haven't been drunk and banged a nasty pig before? Right. I too will have to see her, when I'm back in town, to contribute to her dental fund. I am not a white knight either, but I tend to appreciate the fact that these young ladies give us full access, for a couple of bucks. My two cents worth, don't care either way, as always YMMV.

So I was contacted by a member this morning that said he and another member agree that I just lay their and wait til its over! I call bull on this for 2 reasons: 1 all my reviews despite a few bad ones due to inability to click or I wouldn't let myself be beaten or worse. 2. Are you kidding me people are so rediculous all because I suggested we do coffee and I be compisated. And whoever sent me that message your probably reading this now and that's good because now you and whomever agreed with you don't have to keep it among yourselves its on the board now. Now to this member our last meeting didn't go so well due to the fact I had just spent the last 3 days at the hosp with a family member that had passed away so of course I was shocked and after 3 times of the same behavior and me being a dead fish why did you come back? These are all questions I'd like an answer to forget pming its in the open and I'm honestly upset so if you still want to kick this ole dead dog around meet me in the octagon.

My partner in crime, BootyCall, and I have been lusting over Molly and Silky since he and I invented the internet. My research has not turned up a photo of you two together though. If you come to Memphis, why don't you bring Silky with you. We even have some libraries with books for Silky to examine. Some of the books have not even been colored in yet! If we can divert you two from our sister city to the east, here is an example of what this old fucker can do. I took this one last Friday of Stephanie and Mimi. If you want to see some more photos of their titty sucking and pussy licking, go to the Memphis-Escort Report thread. A2 can vouch for me. He knows that I am as pure as the wind driven snow. LOL. I'm sure you two can get me up for it.

[QUOTE=SilkyWetness;1791747]I suggested we do coffee and I be compensated.[/QUOTE]Since the hobby is 100% legal down here one would never do this. I understand the need for it up there. I wouldn't have a problem doing a little meet and greet and sliding the lady a little something something for her time but is there a different hourly rate for the coffee? Not saying there should or shouldn't be just saying I would hope there is. Say the meet and greet only lasts 15 minutes and everything is bueno and you go strait from the Waffle House to the room in the hotel next door do you still need to pay a little extra for the coffee?

I get it why the lady in question would want a little something otherwise there would be boludos running her all over town to look at her ass over coffee, just wondering how it works is all. I've only ever done this thing once in the states many many years ago, and that was with a girl that literally worked on the corner outside of my apartment. I could practically yell out to her from my bedroom window to come over and blow me.

A2

[QUOTE=AboutTimeNow;1791539]Yea, I had a great fathers day, saw a local provider in Michigan were I'm working and got to tell you, gorgeous looking, long legs and not the best set of choppers I have ever seen, didn't stop the little man from jumping right in her mouth. Hell, I couldn't see her teeth, with my cock down her throat. I too have never seen Envy Me, but if missing a couple of teeth is a buzz kill, oh you haven't been drunk and banged a nasty pig before? Right. I too will have to see her, when I'm back in town, to contribute to her dental fund. I am not a white knight either, but I tend to appreciate the fact that these young ladies give us full access, for a couple of bucks. My two cents worth, don't care either way, as always YMMV.[/QUOTE]Two teeth missing is not ANYWHERE near a woman being stuck with a guy who has serious body odor and smells like he hasn't washed for a week. Getting down among the pubes in those conditons would be a real turn off let alone having your nose in his armpits while he is doing her. Two teeth are NOTHING when body hygiene is at stake. Guess that is why women have to assure some guys NOT YOU SIR, LOL, to make sure they shower or offer their showers before the fun begins. Kinda makes two teeth pale in comparison. JMO

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I had started wonder why we hadn't went CFS and she could tell I was wanting to move on, she did inform me that she doesn't do FS the first visit with anyone and it definitely would be more than. 1 I was having fun and enjoying our time and new I'd see her again so I went along with it. We took turns stroking and more tit play and if she was feigning enjoyment you couldn't tell, we finished like that.

I will without a doubt I will be dreaming about her again.[/QUOTE]JM79,

So here's my question: If her ad said "$.25 and I only do Russian on the first date", would you have called her? Would you have spent the money as happily. When I read an ad that includes "open minded" and "love domination and role play", it makes me think she's open minded and has a little wild side. I call this out because I've seen a trend, even among some of our more prolific provider partners who post regularly here, to say "not on the first date". I had one person actually say "yeah, I do that but I have to keep something in reserve so you'll come back". WTF? (and, by the way, I haven't been back).

I work in a service industry. We make our money on repeat and we get it by delivering top class trial. We make sure the first experience is incredible and that ensures that we see that client again and again. I can not imagine looking at one of our clients and saying "I know that's what you wanted, and I know that's what our advertising led you to believe you'd get, but we don't do that on the first service call. You'll have to call us back (and pay us another visit fee) to get us to do that". Are you kidding, we wouldn't last 3 months.

I have to confess, I can see why you might not be thinking straight with her looking up at you smiling while she massages your groundhog with that rack. And in the moment, I might even think "hell, how do you argue with tits like that". But step back. If her ad said "Russian only for the first date" or "you'll need to visit 2-3 visits to find the open mindedness I advertise", would you feel so good about it. What if her ad said "CFS $$$.5"? Would you be calling her. I'll bet not, but you let her get away with that in the moment.

I'm not arguing against providers having limits and having this approach to the first date. I'm arguing that operating this way without being open and honest about it is ultimately bad business. For example, one of our top provider partners with a willingness to visit the islands said to me when scheduling our first date "I don't make that trip on the first date". OK, now I know. But I decided to see her anyway and I was very very very happy I did. I decided that she offered enough of an experience that it was worth my time and money even without that aspect of the visit. As I said, good move on my part but I could have just as easily made an informed decision to take a pass.

My point, as I have said many times in the past, is that bait and switch is no way to build a good reputation in a community as blessed by great, honest, straight forward provider partners as Cincinnati.

No slam on you JM for enjoying the rub down but from your comment, if was clear to me that you expected more and settling for less just because the groundhog is at attention is a way to get taken advantage of if it becomes your habit. One of the most important skills in this hobby is to always think with the big head. There are times I fail and let the little guy take over. Every time, every single time I've let that happen, I have been disappointed.

As to dreaming about her again, I hope you rack up enough FF miles to make it to the promised land. My bet is that her training tells her she put you off once, she can do it again. I hope I'm wrong but my experience is that when a provider says "next time", what she really means is "not this time". Those are two very different statements. Don't mistake one for another or you'll be disappointed for a long time.

Have a great day.

Dz

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