15th Ave Bookstore

[QUOTE=Chingon]Kinda strange that there are only 2 independent posts about the Halloween party on the main Chicago Y groups. Those two posters DID say they had fun.

There were a ton of post for the previous parties.

Three reasons I didn't go: As a single male, I don't feel welcomed at Melrose anymore, the cost to attend, (as a single male.) Those two things would have been overridden, if I had seen post by couples and single females stating they were going to attend. There were no post by the regular Melrose women.

I suspect these parties are now geared towards swinging couples. At swing couples parties only a small number of single males are admitted.[/QUOTE]

Swing clubs have raised prices too. The cost of Melrose is not much compared to most swing clubs expecially for single guy. Most now charge $90. to $100. on a Saturday. I was going tonight but when the prices was raised to $90 I quickly changed my mind. Sometimes it is fun but many times it is nothing more than a sexy nightclub and regular night clubs might even have hotter women. Yes, a single guy at a swingers club is valued like a penny. You don't really want them there are just there.

The bad news for businesses like melrose & clubs is that no one has the extra money to waste and they will start to loose business.

If I brought my woman with me to 15th Street.

What would be the best way to start. I love to watch her suck cock.

I really want to bring my woman to 15th Street.

What should we expect.

I do love watching her suck cock.

Anthing happened at the theater last nite?

Whats the story on the pre thanksgiving party? Who's hosting, is it in the party room and theather or where, and is a are s v p needed.

[QUOTE=Chingon]Three reasons I didn't go: As a single male, I don't feel welcomed at Melrose anymore, the cost to attend, (as a single male.) Those two things would have been overridden, if I had seen post by couples and single females stating they were going to attend. There were no post by the regular Melrose women.

I suspect these parties are now geared towards swinging couples. At swing couples parties only a small number of single males are admitted.[/QUOTE]I went after work on Friday and found my new favorite couple there. It's a mixed couple and that man is my new hero. Gentleman it's a must see and do. He yanked on her hair and asked, "So now do you feel like a *****! ? " She moaned yes and begged for more c***. Then, like last time he whipped her again. This time guys were not so prepared so he grabbed her by the hair and shoved her face on this one guys cock. It was heaven.

But here is the problem. The guys were very timid. It was like they didn't know what to do or if the couple wanted them to do it. All the goings on at the theater have severely tarnished the enthusiasm of single guys. The husband had to ask "what the hell? " and told them everyhting was ok.

The idea of a couples place has hurt the theater. Everybody knows that swingers are a little stuck up. For all the opennness they are supposed to have towards sex, they get a little weird about single guys. On Friday the husband turned to everybody at the theater and called them out of their shells. He actually said "we are here for the wolf pack! " But then all those guys got a little sheepish and got stage fright. The couple was annoyed a little with the soft cocks, but then he whipped her for scaring people away and it all warmed up.

Single guys were scared of a HOT woman who was bent over a table with her husband spreading her cheeks. That's a f****** invitation! Single guys have to take that place back and make it our own. Swingers are jealous pricks. They were not invited and I never minded chasing them away when they used to come. It's not a couples place. It's a place for safe anonymous fun for everybody.

I want to bring my woman to 15th street what should we expect.

I want to watch her suck cock?

[QUOTE=Shebahubby].just trying to understand the mindset of some who constantly complain.[/QUOTE]

…or how a man from Wisconsin develops a persecution complex and perceptions over run reality

So I hope that you read this in the spirit in which it is intended. Imagine we are in one of your Wisconsin taverns drinking a short beer, waiting for a Tombstone pizza to come out of the oven on the back bar. Instead of talking about the Packers, we are talking about 15th ave bookstore. I want you to try and look at this thing from a totally different point of view.

I have been reading many of your past posts with some sympathy and a more bemusement.

Fact 1) I have never met Sheba or Shebahubby/Lord Lee

Fact 2) I am no longer a member of their Yahoo group.

I dropped out of their group when Shebahubby took offense to me reposting messages from their Yahoo group on USAsexguide. At the time, he didn’t know who was doing it. I believe what he said was something like: "Let me know who is doing it and I'll kill the bastard." While I didn’t really believe he could or would do anything to me, I decided that I didn’t need to be in a group with that type of negative energy.

You are starting to sound a little bit like Nancy Kerrigan (remember her?) after her knee was clobbered by Tonya Harding's goons…""Why me??"". Why are you being picked on? Well you guys have made yourselves lightening rods for criticism. In your posts, you come off as the poster children for adult fun at the bookstore. You are the head cheerleader for the bookstore and an apologist for any of the owner's actions. In your posts, he can do no wrong. At least that is my perception.

There were two Yahoo groups. None were run by the bookstore. But both were used as vehicles to promote activities at the bookstore. So the PERCEPTION is that you are somehow affiliated with the bookstore. Wheahter this is Reality or Not, people have perceived that you are part of the bookstore.

Lets also talk about other perceptions. You would post: "Sheba and I will be at the bookstore this Saturday at 11pm. Come join us for fun" Your post goes out to how many members? 500? 1000, 1500 now? So maybe one tenth of those guys show up. In most guys minds this is what they are reading: "Come f**k Sheeba at 11pm." . Again, probably not reality. I am talking about perception.

So when you plan a party or a meet and greet, guys are coming expecting one thing, and then the reality of the situation sets in. You and Sheba are going to cherry pick who u are going to play with. That’s your right. Out of those 100 guys, someone is going to complain. That’s human nature.

If someone comes to a party that is advertised as having a buffet and drinks and such and they show up and nothing is left when they get there, they are going to complain. That’s human nature.

You are advertising your wife's pictures on your Yahoo group and on Bang My **** dot com. This is the Internet remember? It’s the wild, wild, west out there and people play fast and furious with whatever "rules" are in place. So your surprise and indignation at seeing Sheba's pictures in places other than the original post is misplaced.

The perception is that Adult Theatre Sluts and you are acting as if you are the center of the universe when it comes to the bookstore. What many of us are "complaining" about is that fact that the action that was so prevalent in the afternoons and evenings SEEMS to have disappeared and been replaced with "couples only" parties that happen after midnight on weekend nights. Between work and other responsibilities, these are not optimum times for many people. Price wise, what people are complaining about is that what once was a $20 afternoon out is now a $50 evening. Personally, I think it is a good price if I am using all those facilities. I have paid more at clubs around the country. I don’t have a problem paying those prices if I am using all those facilities. You always say, "Hey don’t come and pay the prices to use everything if you only want to go to the theatre". But when all the action seems to have pushed into the spa areas or the private party rooms, many guys don’t have a choice.

Where is the owner during all this? Why are you acting as his mouthpiece? He has posted here before. He presumably has memberships to the Yahoo groups. It would have been nice at some point to post a paragraph or two saying, "Hey guys, this is what I am doing and why….' Not that we want "Pete" style management or postings, but at least some communication from the front office would be a good thing.

Yes we understand it is a business. Yes we understand it costs a lot to run this business. I used to go to a bar and restaurant around the corner from my house. Cool decor, comfort food, and a great bartender that made the best martinis I have ever had. One day I go in and he has a long face. The owners are changing the menu, and going more into a "Sports Bar' theme. Beer in plastic cups. I never went back and it was closed in 6 months. Owners got greedy and assumed that the crowds that were coming in before would blindly follow any changes and keep coming back. I just dont want to see the same thing happen at Melrose.

Oh and one other thing. Throw a paragraph or two in to your posts. They look like one long run on sentence and are really hard to read.

So does that answer any of your questions? I hope you have been able to take this in the spirit in which it was intended, and I hope that maybe you can see things from a different point of view. I am sure I will be flamed here, and I am sure if I reapply to the Yahoo groups I will be denied.

[QUOTE=HappyGardener]…or how a man from Wisconsin develops a persecution complex and perceptions over run reality

So I hope that you read this in the spirit in which it is intended. Imagine we are in one of your Wisconsin taverns drinking a short beer, waiting for a Tombstone pizza to come out of the oven on the back bar. Instead of talking about the Packers, we are talking about 15th ave bookstore. I want you to try and look at this thing from a totally different point of view.

I have been reading many of your past posts with some sympathy and a more bemusement.

Fact 1) I have never met Sheba or Shebahubby/Lord Lee

Fact 2) I am no longer a member of their Yahoo group.

I dropped out of their group when Shebahubby took offense to me reposting messages from their Yahoo group on USAsexguide. At the time, he didn’t know who was doing it. I believe what he said was something like: "Let me know who is doing it and I'll kill the bastard." While I didn’t really believe he could or would do anything to me, I decided that I didn’t need to be in a group with that type of negative energy.

You are starting to sound a little bit like Nancy Kerrigan (remember her?) after her knee was clobbered by Tonya Harding's goons…""Why me??"". Why are you being picked on? Well you guys have made yourselves lightening rods for criticism. In your posts, you come off as the poster children for adult fun at the bookstore. You are the head cheerleader for the bookstore and an apologist for any of the owner's actions. In your posts, he can do no wrong. At least that is my perception.

There were two Yahoo groups. None were run by the bookstore. But both were used as vehicles to promote activities at the bookstore. So the PERCEPTION is that you are somehow affiliated with the bookstore. Wheahter this is Reality or Not, people have perceived that you are part of the bookstore.

Lets also talk about other perceptions. You would post: "Sheba and I will be at the bookstore this Saturday at 11pm. Come join us for fun" Your post goes out to how many members? 500? 1000, 1500 now? So maybe one tenth of those guys show up. In most guys minds this is what they are reading: "Come f**k Sheeba at 11pm." . Again, probably not reality. I am talking about perception.

So when you plan a party or a meet and greet, guys are coming expecting one thing, and then the reality of the situation sets in. You and Sheba are going to cherry pick who u are going to play with. That’s your right. Out of those 100 guys, someone is going to complain. That’s human nature.

If someone comes to a party that is advertised as having a buffet and drinks and such and they show up and nothing is left when they get there, they are going to complain. That’s human nature.

You are advertising your wife's pictures on your Yahoo group and on Bang My **** dot com. This is the Internet remember? It’s the wild, wild, west out there and people play fast and furious with whatever "rules" are in place. So your surprise and indignation at seeing Sheba's pictures in places other than the original post is misplaced.

The perception is that Adult Theatre Sluts and you are acting as if you are the center of the universe when it comes to the bookstore. What many of us are "complaining" about is that fact that the action that was so prevalent in the afternoons and evenings SEEMS to have disappeared and been replaced with "couples only" parties that happen after midnight on weekend nights. Between work and other responsibilities, these are not optimum times for many people. Price wise, what people are complaining about is that what once was a $20 afternoon out is now a $50 evening. Personally, I think it is a good price if I am using all those facilities. I have paid more at clubs around the country. I don’t have a problem paying those prices if I am using all those facilities. You always say, "Hey don’t come and pay the prices to use everything if you only want to go to the theatre". But when all the action seems to have pushed into the spa areas or the private party rooms, many guys don’t have a choice.

Where is the owner during all this? Why are you acting as his mouthpiece? He has posted here before. He presumably has memberships to the Yahoo groups. It would have been nice at some point to post a paragraph or two saying, "Hey guys, this is what I am doing and why….' Not that we want "Pete" style management or postings, but at least some communication from the front office would be a good thing.

Yes we understand it is a business. Yes we understand it costs a lot to run this business. I used to go to a bar and restaurant around the corner from my house. Cool decor, comfort food, and a great bartender that made the best martinis I have ever had. One day I go in and he has a long face. The owners are changing the menu, and going more into a "Sports Bar' theme. Beer in plastic cups. I never went back and it was closed in 6 months. Owners got greedy and assumed that the crowds that were coming in before would blindly follow any changes and keep coming back. I just dont want to see the same thing happen at Melrose.

Oh and one other thing. Throw a paragraph or two in to your posts. They look like one long run on sentence and are really hard to read.

So does that answer any of your questions? I hope you have been able to take this in the spirit in which it was intended, and I hope that maybe you can see things from a different point of view. I am sure I will be flamed here, and I am sure if I reapply to the Yahoo groups I will be denied.[/QUOTE]I don't mind your posts at all. To be very honest with you as far as the only time I have ever threatened anyone was when they would personally attack my wife, which "most" any husband would. But, what you are talking about I never said so your quote is way off and here is the Quote from the Message board to which I responded to you "We don't allow some of the nonsense that happens in others to go on here. Trust me when I say if you find out who posted it and it is not retracted then that person if apart of this group will be BANNED! I don't put up with that kind of shit from anyone especially in My Group! Send me the reference in usaguide and I will check it out and see if that person is also apart of here and there done. " OH and for your information another person posted something about the only way for 2 people to keep a secret is if one of them is dead" So don't tag me for something that was never said please. I am a nice guy usually LOL.

I am not a mouth piece for the owner of the store but he is also a friend of mine and I do support my friends as much as possible. YOU may understand business but many do not and assume that change is always a bad thing, especially if he price goes up. You are right in saying that if you use all the elements that melrose offers it is worth the price. You are also right in saying if the couples go into the spa or parties that may be hosted on some weekends then the price in more. As far as what happens in my yahoo group (as I have several), I have never hidden the groups intentions. Oh, who is Lord Lee? LOL Sure isn't me LOL. For us (sheba and I) we use to love the theater area when the exam table was in there as well and she did enjoy many when it was. She is ok with the back room (of the theater) because she still likes that table. We at times enjoy the gloryhole booths too. We do enjoy the spa because of the private rooms which we get one everytime we come down because she like that better now that the theater doesn't allow play. (unless its in the back room)

What party are you talking about that we ran out of food on the buffet table that I supplied? Or drink that I supplied? Because that has never happened. One party Melrose supplied the beer and ran out but went to get more and had more within 30 min and so far that was the only instance ever since I have started the Meet & Greets There at Melrose for our yahoo group. This last party we had food left over and alcohol as well as beer left over too. I personally did not want Joe to supply pizza and asked him to put what he was going to put to pizza into wings and I provided all the rest of the food.

I find it interesting that your post contains things delt with in past posts either here or on the Ygroups. But hey thats your choice I suppose, so it gets addressed again. As far as the owner and him posting, thats none of my business as hes a big boy and can choose not to. I do not speak for him in anyway. I do talk to him concerning peoples perceptions and leave it there with him. I support him as a friend and I do some business with him concerning my Parties that I hold there, anything else he can speak for himself!

Your dissertation leaves me wondering if you are not like the "Nancy Kerrigan" that you mentioned for several reasons which you post. 1) You have never met me or my wife 2) Your no longer apart of my yahoo group (because of your negitive attitude and spirit which was outlined in your posts which got you banned) By the way I didn't ban you, the other owner did apparently after you posted a personal attack to me.

So here you get to have your soap box, even if you are in error. Here's the beauty of this for you. No one would know whether you are telling the truth or maybe stretching as far as what was posted unless they are apart of My group and willing to confront your error here. The old Dragnet show had a quote "Just the facts". No need to make up quotes or exaggerate perceptions, when the truth is you are in error on many of your so-called points.

If you want to reapply (your choice) go ahead and I will accept you personally as I do believe I had also tried to resolve our differences privately after I cooled down from being angry with you for your negitive posts.

Peace L

[QUOTE=Shebahubby]Next time come check it out for yourself. Again come check it out if you are not sure, but most importantly come to have fun not to look for faults.

Peace,

L[/QUOTE]I got news for you, I'm a member of your ATS Group, (and all the other associated Groups, and Bang My S L U T even) and have been to the previous parties. I've played with Sheba several times, in IL and IN. I'm even in some of your pics and vids. LOL

Ditto what HappyGardener said.

Men, The dressed as a cop tall Black female is really hot, But no chance give her a f**K. This is first time lots couples and new one playing I have't see. Can't wait for next party contact me when next event.

[QUOTE=Shebahubby]Hey man,

Thank you for the report and the many that did talk to me there said they had a great time and can't wait for the next one! Femcar, did email me the day of the party letting me know she was out of town. Got that email the next day. She also said she will be at the next one we host either at melrose or at another venue TBA. Most all of the couples that showed up (lots of new ones) did play. I don't know who she was but this tall Black woman with her guy showed up and she dressed as a cop was absolutly hot and she was on the stage sucking cock and getting eaten and then there was Misty Highwood who was also fucking and sucking everywhere from the spa to the theater and party room. Sheba was fucking and sucking all night long form 9pm when the action started till close. Anyway it was all good and we are expecting a even better party in a few months. Takes me a month to recupertae LOL!

Peace and thanks,

Shebahubby[/QUOTE]

Ok, before this escalates, I am calling an end to it.

Writing a dissertation is easy on a Sunday afternoon when all one is doing is watching the Titans dissect the Bears secondary. 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out......what an offense!

Two points to clarify:

I was simply trying to let you see how others experience the bookstore. That is why I brought up past issues. You experience the bookstore one way, the rest a totally different way. Stop confusing your parties with the rest of the daily bookstore experience.

My guess is that you have never attended the bookstore as a single male on a Wednesday afternoon. If you had, you would then understand where many of us are coming from.

Second: I was not banned from either group. In fact I never posted in your group at all. I think you are confusing me with another poster here. I left both groups under my volition and I left both groups by editing my membership and leaving the group. As a Yahoo owner, you have the ability to look for my past posts even after I left the group. If you find some, please re-post them here. There may be some, but I doubt that they are of the negative tirades that you suggest. The other owner and I exchanged some emails but nothing of a negative nature and I never, ever attacked you in any of the Yahoo groups.

I remember the flaming that was going on when I left. It was not from me, but by another member. It was the same on the other group and the same member. I think that you will find most of my posts are well reasoned and not of the flame type.

I stand corrected as far as the one posting some negitive stuff on our Ygroup. Then again I also uphold that I never have said what you quoted that I did. End of discussion.

You are right as I am not a single male attending Melrose on a Wednesday afternoon, so I suppose I do not understand some of the points you make. I have gone down there alone and "hung out" for awhile after meeting with the owner in preperation for one of My parties. I suppose that doesn't qualify LOL. Again I will say Melrose is still the best place going in the Midwest. (I'm sure there are others but we have only been to one other and will not be back there until they clean it LOL.)

Peace,

L

[QUOTE=HappyGardener]Ok, before this escalates, I am calling an end to it.

Writing a dissertation is easy on a Sunday afternoon when all one is doing is watching the Titans dissect the Bears secondary. 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out......what an offense!

Two points to clarify:

I was simply trying to let you see how others experience the bookstore. That is why I brought up past issues. You experience the bookstore one way, the rest a totally different way. Stop confusing your parties with the rest of the daily bookstore experience.

My guess is that you have never attended the bookstore as a single male on a Wednesday afternoon. If you had, you would then understand where many of us are coming from.

Second: I was not banned from either group. In fact I never posted in your group at all. I think you are confusing me with another poster here. I left both groups under my volition and I left both groups by editing my membership and leaving the group. As a Yahoo owner, you have the ability to look for my past posts even after I left the group. If you find some, please re-post them here. There may be some, but I doubt that they are of the negative tirades that you suggest. The other owner and I exchanged some emails but nothing of a negative nature and I never, ever attacked you in any of the Yahoo groups.

I remember the flaming that was going on when I left. It was not from me, but by another member. It was the same on the other group and the same member. I think that you will find most of my posts are well reasoned and not of the flame type.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rushman]Men, The dressed as a cop tall Black female is really hot, But no chance give her a f**K. This is first time lots couples and new one playing I have't see. Can't wait for next party contact me when next event.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the comment and I will for sure contact you for the next party we do. Yeah this tall black girl was hot and also wanted to join our group so maybe next time lol. Be safe and have fun.

Peace

L

[QUOTE]Two points to clarify:

I was simply trying to let you see how others experience the bookstore. That is why I brought up past issues. You experience the bookstore one way, the rest a totally different way. Stop confusing your parties with the rest of the daily bookstore experience.

My guess is that you have never attended the bookstore as a single male on a Wednesday afternoon. If you had, you would then understand where many of us are coming from.

Second: I was not banned from either group. In fact I never posted in your group at all. I think you are confusing me with another poster here. I left both groups under my volition and I left both groups by editing my membership and leaving the group. [/QUOTE]You are right when you say you are not the one who posted those very negative posts and I stand corrected in that! My appologies!

I have come down to melrose a few times alone or with other women (sheba couldn't make it) and mainly talked with the staff or the owner if he was around. So I don't know what single males may go through while attending there regularly. I don't expect everyone to attend our parties (even though they are fun), nor do I expect everyone to cater to 15th.

I do have a question; What is the purpose of this message board? Is it to report on 15th or to bash it? Is it to post when certain women we all like attend and have fun or encourage others to attend during those times? Can you outline for me what the whole purpose is. Our Ygroup states that on the front page and we moderate to uphold that as much as possible.

Thanks,

L