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[QUOTE=Cdds20;5600244]I was talking to her several months ago and she kind of disappeared for awhile, I see she's back. Did she discuss a number?[/QUOTE]Yes, I offer her 400+ some gifts, we text back and forth, she is too far from me, she do drive but I don't think she will drive to me tho, good luck to you.
[QUOTE=JustinFields;5599456]I say spend money and do what you have to do that makes you happy. That being said I have probably fucked more girls in the wild than 99% of the posters on this site. When I was in my 20's I would laugh at dudes paying for pussy and say why would you be doing that? That being said I was heavily involved in the nightclub scene and had a crew of guys with high social status and was extremely good looking. I am in my 40's and on gear and I have heard many girls I met through seeking tell me WTF are you doing paying for pussy.
I have known a few guys who introduced me to this who never got pussy without paying for it and started banging escorts at a young age and their mind is kind of warped when it comes to the game. They don't know the difference between fucking a girl for free and on SA.
When you PAY FOR THE PUSSY the girl sees you as a simp in the back of her mind. You are of low value and not of high value. I am in my 40's so I don't give a fuck but call the game as it is.[/QUOTE]I just got to say that the talk about "simps" and "instinct" and "the game" is total pseudoscience. 1.) If what that original poster had said was true, then he, a guy at older age, would have "developed" that "instinct" for "the game" by now. Instead, he's hoping for an economic crash because it might increase his odds that he can score some young pussy. Well, why hasn't he "developed" that "instinct" for "the game" by now, if what he said was true? Shouldn't he have reached older age with such developed instincts that he doesn't need to use SA anymore? Shouldn't he be able to charm some coed out of her panties by now if what he was saying was really the way things worked. Sadly, "alpha" "beta" "instincts" "nature", it's all just stupid shit that people say, and it's not real. Yeah, it's what people believe and feel but just because you believe something strongly doesn't make it true. 2.) The entire argument makes it seem like humanity's current state of sex and relationships were the same in the past as they are now. Not true. Go back a few hundred years ago and did people get married or have sex for love or attraction? No, people got married and had sex to increase their family wealth. It was basically a transaction that went along the liens of "I'll have claim on some of your family's wealth and in return, you can fuck my daughter. " There was no "game" to it. If people want to talk about "game" then fine, but don't make it sound like it's a part of some larger scientific or historical thing. To suggest that there is an "instinct" is to suggest that people have been living like we have for thousands of years and developing it for thousands of years and that just is not true. If it were true, then what happened to that "game" and "instincts" for those thousands of years when people just basically hoped to sell their daughters to a family with more wealth? Where was the game then? What happened to instincts for all those thousands of years when it wasn't used or needed? Do you really imagine cavemen or even medieval families going to night clubs and picking up chicks the way we do now? If one believes that, one might believe anything. Books and videos about "simps" and "instinct" and "nature" are just ways of taking an insecure guy's money. Now that guy isn't getting laid and he is spending his money on some book about getting laid when he could be just getting laid.
I just say, you do you. And what you want to do with SA is totally up to you and you shouldn't let anyone talk you into or out of anything.
Anyways, I feel like Milwaukee and Racine have a better SA scene going on right now and Chicago is just too hard to weed through. I'll have a dump sometime later in the month about SA girls from the great cheese state.
Very, very few men get sex for free or have the combination of looks / personality / height to get it on a regular basis. A slightly above average guy in terms of looks can get some if he puts in alot of effort and is obsessed with it.
Most chads don't understand why people pay for sex until they hit their 40's and 50's when their looks and energy fade but for the vast majority of us, we got to pay for it.
Sometimes I get bummed out on all of this stuff but in all honesty if I was the kind of guy who got girls due to my looks. Would I be where I am at now in my career? Would I be motivated to grind hard and level up? unfortunately your value as a man to other males is largely determined by your ability to attract women, guys dont want to be friends with guys who dont get girls or atleast hang out with them
So. I'm an analytics guy and know a thing or two about data.
My advice to you guys is that Mon. thru Weds after 8 pm and about 11 pm are peak usage times so if you hit it at this time of the evening you should get more responses, especially the next morning.
One of my strategies (that used to work alot better, not so much anymore due to the pandemic) was to just keep running searches for new users every 30 minutes to an hour or so and hitting them up. I don't trade anymore / at the moment but my experiences on SA are similar to trading. Requires lots of patience and somewhat of an analytical mind to be successful at it. You really need to watch the screen and respond somewhat quickly as these girls are getting large quantities of messages.
These techniques apply to online dating big time:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFM_[/URL](market_research).
[QUOTE=ZckBrc;5600337]I just got to say that the talk about "simps" and "instinct" and "the game" is total pseudoscience. 1.) If what that original poster had said was true, then he, a guy at older age, would have "developed" that "instinct" for "the game" by now. Instead, he's hoping for an economic crash because it might increase his odds that he can score some young pussy. Well, why hasn't he "developed" that "instinct" for "the game" by now, if what he said was true? Shouldn't he have reached older age with such developed instincts that he doesn't need to use SA anymore? Shouldn't he be able to charm some coed out of her panties by now if what he was saying was really the way things worked. Sadly, "alpha" "beta" "instincts" "nature", it's all just stupid shit that people say, and it's not real. Yeah, it's what people believe and feel but just because you believe something strongly doesn't make it true. 2.) The entire argument makes it seem like humanity's current state of sex and relationships were the same in the past as they are now. Not true. Go back a few hundred years ago and did people get married or have sex for love or attraction? No, people got married and had sex to increase their family wealth. It was basically a transaction that went along the liens of "I'll have claim on some of your family's wealth and in return, you can fuck my daughter. " There was no "game" to it. If people want to talk about "game" then fine, but don't make it sound like it's a part of some larger scientific or historical thing. To suggest that there is an "instinct" is to suggest that people have been living like we have for thousands of years and developing it for thousands of years and that just is not true. If it were true, then what happened to that "game" and "instincts" for those thousands of years when people just basically hoped to sell their daughters to a family with more wealth? Where was the game then? What happened to instincts for all those thousands of years when it wasn't used or needed? Do you really imagine cavemen or even medieval families going to night clubs and picking up chicks the way we do now? If one believes that, one might believe anything. Books and videos about "simps" and "instinct" and "nature" are just ways of taking an insecure guy's money. Now that guy isn't getting laid and he is spending his money on some book about getting laid when he could be just getting laid.
I just say, you do you. And what you want to do with SA is totally up to you and you shouldn't let anyone talk you into or out of anything.
Anyways, I feel like Milwaukee and Racine have a better SA scene going on right now and Chicago is just too hard to weed through. I'll have a dump sometime later in the month about SA girls from the great cheese state.[/QUOTE]It really boils down to one thing: Facial aesthetics. This trumps just about everything else. This trumps money, confidence, status, personality etc. It even trumps fitness. Yes, that's right. When choosing between someone with great facial aesthetics vs someone with an elite body but poor facial aesthetics, the girl will always choose the former. Even if they are overweight!
Here are some studies / articles to depress you even further:
[URL]https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11833-the-face-not-the-body-attracts-a-mate/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.livescience.com/58607-mens-looks-may-matter-more-than-personality.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.01292/full[/URL]
[URL]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513809000580?via%3Dihub[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3130383/[/URL]
Now, here's a bit of positive news for those of you who are Asian or Native American:
[URL]https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/101103-attractive-women-men-faces-skin-color-evolution-diet-health[/URL]
[QUOTE=LolBoat;5600410]Very, very few men get sex for free or have the combination of looks / personality / height to get it on a regular basis. A slightly above average guy in terms of looks can get some if he puts in alot of effort and is obsessed with it.
Most chads don't understand why people pay for sex until they hit their 40's and 50's when their looks and energy fade but for the vast majority of us, we got to pay for it.
Sometimes I get bummed out on all of this stuff but in all honesty if I was the kind of guy who got girls due to my looks. Would I be where I am at now in my career? Would I be motivated to grind hard and level up? unfortunately your value as a man to other males is largely determined by your ability to attract women, guys dont want to be friends with guys who dont get girls or atleast hang out with them
So. I'm an analytics guy and know a thing or two about data.
My advice to you guys is that Mon. thru Weds after 8 pm and about 11 pm are peak usage times so if you hit it at this time of the evening you should get more responses, especially the next morning.
One of my strategies (that used to work alot better, not so much anymore due to the pandemic) was to just keep running searches for new users every 30 minutes to an hour or so and hitting them up. I don't trade anymore / at the moment but my experiences on SA are similar to trading. Requires lots of patience and somewhat of an analytical mind to be successful at it. You really need to watch the screen and respond somewhat quickly as these girls are getting large quantities of messages.
These techniques apply to online dating big time:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFM_[/URL](market_research).[/QUOTE]I agree that there are lots of factors as to why people are attracted to each other. But look, if your value as a man to other is determined by your ability to attract women then why do so many "leaders" need to pay for it? I could go on and on about how any of this stuff doesn't have to do with evolution because people having only been hooking up, marrying, and having kids because of "attraction" or "love" for a short amount of time. But forget all that for a second. What about now? If your value as a man to other is determined by your ability to attract women then why did so many "leaders" need to use Jeffery Epstein? Why do so many models and pornstars go to Dubai to hookup with rich people? You think some 20 year old is hooking up with some fat prince who she has never heard of because he is "alpha" and has good pickup skills and not because he has a ton of money? What about guys who work on Wall Street? You think they do not have transactional sex? "The Game" or instincts have got nothing to do with it. What I am saying is that humanity has a long history with transactional sex and not a long history with "the game," and as a matter of a fact, even though a lot has changed over the last few hundred years, our present still kind of looks that way and is not totally different. So I am not disagreeing with everything you are saying, but I am just saying that people who are critical of people connecting sex with money or claim that "it's weak" are not being historical and they are not even looking at the present right. If that were true, why do so many powerful people, young and old, still have transactional sex? Why do people like Jeffrey Epstein exist? Is Donald Trump weak? Bill Clinton? Bill Gates? Anyone tied up with that scandal? I'd even say that a large percentage of normal marriages are still transactional, for the most part. Aside from the fact that none of it can be proven, it's why I don't believe the "alpha" "game" "instincts" stuff. The history of sex and relationships throughout human history are too transactional and too rigid for "instincts" and "a game" to develop and there is no reason for anyone, young or old, to be ashamed of something -that has- been going down for thousands of years.
[QUOTE=ZckBrc;5600337]I just got to say that the talk about "simps" and "instinct" and "the game" is total pseudoscience. 1.) If what that original poster had said was true, then he, a guy at older age, would have "developed" that "instinct" for "the game" by now. Instead, he's hoping for an economic crash because it might increase his odds that he can score some young pussy. Well, why hasn't he "developed" that "instinct" for "the game" by now, if what he said was true? Shouldn't he have reached older age with such developed instincts that he doesn't need to use SA anymore? Shouldn't he be able to charm some coed out of her panties by now if what he was saying was really the way things worked. Sadly, "alpha" "beta" "instincts" "nature", it's all just stupid shit that people say, and it's not real. Yeah, it's what people believe and feel but just because you believe something strongly doesn't make it true. 2.) The entire argument makes it seem like humanity's current state of sex and relationships were the same in the past as they are now. Not true. Go back a few hundred years ago and did people get married or have sex for love or attraction? No, people got married and had sex to increase their family wealth. It was basically a transaction that went along the liens of "I'll have claim on some of your family's wealth and in return, you can fuck my daughter. " There was no "game" to it. If people want to talk about "game" then fine, but don't make it sound like it's a part of some larger scientific or historical thing. To suggest that there is an "instinct" is to suggest that people have been living like we have for thousands of years and developing it for thousands of years and that just is not true. If it were true, then what happened to that "game" and "instincts" for those thousands of years when people just basically hoped to sell their daughters to a family with more wealth? Where was the game then? What happened to instincts for all those thousands of years when it wasn't used or needed? Do you really imagine cavemen or even medieval families going to night clubs and picking up chicks the way we do now? If one believes that, one might believe anything. Books and videos about "simps" and "instinct" and "nature" are just ways of taking an insecure guy's money. Now that guy isn't getting laid and he is spending his money on some book about getting laid when he could be just getting laid.
I just say, you do you. And what you want to do with SA is totally up to you and you shouldn't let anyone talk you into or out of anything.
Anyways, I feel like Milwaukee and Racine have a better SA scene going on right now and Chicago is just too hard to weed through. I'll have a dump sometime later in the month about SA girls from the great cheese state.[/QUOTE]A 45 year old who was a chad when he was younger is not going to bang 21 year old on a regular basis. There is too much to overcome. The social stigma being that the girl can't bring you around family and friends. She is going to be attracted to guys her age for the most part. The dress, looks, and she will probably have more in common with the younger guy. A girl having sex with you for money than not for money is completely different. It is a different feeling for her and for you. She is more likely to cum when she is not fucking you for money. Many but not all girls have a barrier psychologically and will not cum with a guy they are fucking for money. I tell you what follow these girls on instagram and chat and see the guys they are fucking for free. They are not chads but they tend to be around there age. You don't see them on the there instagram story with the sugar daddy they met on SA.
You can't compare today to 100 years ago. A girl couldn't even get married in those days if she wasn't a virgin. In the 70's if you were in America and 40 you could go to eastern Europe and marry a 23 year old because in those days eastern Europe was poor and they were desperate. We are richer today but the gap as closed and people are not as desperate.
To sum it up the girl on seeking that I am paying to fuck sees me of lower value than she does the guy she is fucking for free.
[QUOTE=ZckBrc;5600435]I agree that there are lots of factors as to why people are attracted to each other. But look, if your value as a man to other is determined by your ability to attract women then why do so many "leaders" need to pay for it? I could go on and on about how any of this stuff doesn't have to do with evolution because people having only been hooking up, marrying, and having kids because of "attraction" or "love" for a short amount of time. But forget all that for a second. What about now? If your value as a man to other is determined by your ability to attract women then why did so many "leaders" need to use Jeffery Epstein? Why do so many models and pornstars go to Dubai to hookup with rich people? You think some 20 year old is hooking up with some fat prince who she has never heard of because he is "alpha" and has good pickup skills and not because he has a ton of money? What about guys who work on Wall Street? You think they do not have transactional sex? "The Game" or instincts have got nothing to do with it. What I am saying is that humanity has a long history with transactional sex and not a long history with "the game," and as a matter of a fact, even though a lot has changed over the last few hundred years, our present still kind of looks that way and is not totally different. So I am not disagreeing with everything you are saying, but I am just saying that people who are critical of people connecting sex with money or claim that "it's weak" are not being historical and they are not even looking at the present right. If that were true, why do so many powerful people, young and old, still have transactional sex? Why do people like Jeffrey Epstein exist? Is Donald Trump weak? Bill Clinton? Bill Gates? Anyone tied up with that scandal? I'd even say that a large percentage of normal marriages are still transactional, for the most part. Aside from the fact that none of it can be proven, it's why I don't believe the "alpha" "game" "instincts" stuff. The history of sex and relationships throughout human history are too transactional and too rigid for "instincts" and "a game" to develop and there is no reason for anyone, young or old, to be ashamed of something -that has- been going down for thousands of years.[/QUOTE]You act like all sex is transactional it is not. When you meet a girl on SA and pay her it is absolutely Transactional. The girl that you take home from the bar Is not transactional . There is a big difference. IF you can't see that than I don't know what to tell you.
Me personally I love SA because I am short on time and there is no emotions involved and I don't have to spend time with them. I just get straight down to business. That being said it is better for the soul when I meet a girl on SA and fuck her for free.
[QUOTE=ZckBrc;5600435]I agree that there are lots of factors as to why people are attracted to each other. But look, if your value as a man to other is determined by your ability to attract women then why do so many "leaders" need to pay for it? I could go on and on about how any of this stuff doesn't have to do with evolution because people having only been hooking up, marrying, and having kids because of "attraction" or "love" for a short amount of time. But forget all that for a second. What about now? If your value as a man to other is determined by your ability to attract women then why did so many "leaders" need to use Jeffery Epstein? Why do so many models and pornstars go to Dubai to hookup with rich people? You think some 20 year old is hooking up with some fat prince who she has never heard of because he is "alpha" and has good pickup skills and not because he has a ton of money? What about guys who work on Wall Street? You think they do not have transactional sex? "The Game" or instincts have got nothing to do with it. What I am saying is that humanity has a long history with transactional sex and not a long history with "the game," and as a matter of a fact, even though a lot has changed over the last few hundred years, our present still kind of looks that way and is not totally different. So I am not disagreeing with everything you are saying, but I am just saying that people who are critical of people connecting sex with money or claim that "it's weak" are not being historical and they are not even looking at the present right. If that were true, why do so many powerful people, young and old, still have transactional sex? Why do people like Jeffrey Epstein exist? Is Donald Trump weak? Bill Clinton? Bill Gates? Anyone tied up with that scandal? I'd even say that a large percentage of normal marriages are still transactional, for the most part. Aside from the fact that none of it can be proven, it's why I don't believe the "alpha" "game" "instincts" stuff. The history of sex and relationships throughout human history are too transactional and too rigid for "instincts" and "a game" to develop and there is no reason for anyone, young or old, to be ashamed of something -that has- been going down for thousands of years.[/QUOTE]The "Leaders" and 99% of men pay because they want her to go away for the obvious reasons. Sex outside of marriage is still considered taboo and wrong by societal standards. Men with money who are single don't pay outright, they use their money to attract the girl. Men with money who are attached to someone or something (status etc.) pay directly to attract. Pretty simple human gender behaviors that have not changed since the beginning of Humans. Women want security, men want sex. The trade is pretty simple. The currency is determined by your place in life. The price is determined by your unique features and marketplace dynamics. Good luck Gentlemen.
[QUOTE=LolBoat;5600410]Very, very few men get sex for free or have the combination of looks / personality / height to get it on a regular basis. A slightly above average guy in terms of looks can get some if he puts in alot of effort and is obsessed with it.
Most chads don't understand why people pay for sex until they hit their 40's and 50's when their looks and energy fade but for the vast majority of us, we got to pay for it.
Sometimes I get bummed out on all of this stuff but in all honesty if I was the kind of guy who got girls due to my looks. Would I be where I am at now in my career? Would I be motivated to grind hard and level up? unfortunately your value as a man to other males is largely determined by your ability to attract women, guys dont want to be friends with guys who dont get girls or atleast hang out with them
[/QUOTE]Jesus, that's such a dark take. I dunno, man. Maybe I haven't experienced the kind of social trauma many of you have but there is definitely a lot of frustration with life on this thread, maybe even this entire board. It makes me sad.
It also makes me wonder if a lot of us are as broken as we always say women in this hobby are. Life should be fun. This should be fun. Or what's the point?
Everyone has their own personal unique theories about this game we play. Each theory doesn't apply to 90 percent of everyone. Your theory and perspective is what you've experienced. There's no right or wrong belief. In simplistic terms women sell sex and guys pay for sex.
[QUOTE=RonM;5600781]Everyone has their own personal unique theories about this game we play. Each theory doesn't apply to 90 percent of everyone. Your theory and perspective is what you've experienced. There's no right or wrong belief. In simplistic terms women sell sex and guys pay for sex.[/QUOTE]I agree and well said man, and I will add, more desirable, younger beautiful women will cost you even more, just open your eyes and look around and think.
[QUOTE=LolBoat;5600410]Very, very few men get sex for free or have the combination of looks / personality / height to get it on a regular basis. Most chads don't understand why people pay for sex until they hit their 40's and 50's when their looks and energy fade but for the vast majority of us, we got to pay for it.[/QUOTE]This is a good point.
The stats say that 80% of women are having sex with only 20% of men.
It's the Pareto principal.
Men are having less sex. Women have so many more options thanks to instagram and social media that they can be selective with who they see. Until they hit the wall.
[QUOTE=Jinurso;5600636]Jesus, that's such a dark take. I dunno, man. Maybe I haven't experienced the kind of social trauma many of you have but there is definitely a lot of frustration with life on this thread, maybe even this entire board. It makes me sad.
It also makes me wonder if a lot of us are as broken as we always say women in this hobby are. Life should be fun. This should be fun. Or what's the point?[/QUOTE]Is it really a dark take though? They are my realistic observations. There is data to prove what I'm saying. I think I read somewhere that most men only have 3-4 sexual partners before they get married.
In 2018,27% of all 18 year old men were virgins. They started keeping track of this data in the early 90's and it always fluctuated a bit, but it was about 10% on average every year. In 2012 the # started climbing (due to tinder, imo.) and now its prob even higher than 30% due to the lockdowns.
Its tough out there!
I used to see this one when she was in college. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0b016e5a-c686-434a-bf30-cf75a6d89214[/URL] She's real and was smoking. A good time in bed and loved to send nudes. Couldn't fuck her more than a few times because whenever her mouth wasn't full she was absolutely unable to keep herself from talking about conspiracies about Jews, Trump and flat Earth stuff. I can deal with astrology stuff for a while, but a man can only tolerate so much.
[QUOTE=JustinFields;5600456]You act like all sex is transactional it is not. When you meet a girl on SA and pay her it is absolutely Transactional. The girl that you take home from the bar Is not transactional . There is a big difference. IF you can't see that than I don't know what to tell you.
Me personally I love SA because I am short on time and there is no emotions involved and I don't have to spend time with them. I just get straight down to business. That being said it is better for the soul when I meet a girl on SA and fuck her for free.[/QUOTE]Ok brother, but you did not address one single thing I said, you just restated the same stuff with different words. You said that "You can't compare today to 100 years ago," and I agree, that's what you're doing. You're saying that you can compare it to thousands of years ago. That an instinct has been developing over centuries and you can trace that instinct to today and what I am saying is that cannot possibly be the case. There are too many holes in that story to really believe that. Ideas about "simps" "chads" "the game" "instinct" are not real. It's just language that guys use to try to explain behavior they really don't understand. If they understood it, couldn't they answer some questions about it? Couldn't they tell me exactly how it works? Couldn't they tell me about it's history and answer questions about its history? I mean, if someone cannot answer even the most basic questions about "a theory" then why do they even believe it? On what basis? Look, I've met a lot of chicks who do the same thing but instead of they use terms from astrology, someone is either a "Gemini" "Libra" "Taurus". What I am saying is that people want to believe in something that is simple and easy to understand, but the truth is that behavior is not easily explained. If it was then the world's best scientists would have it all figured out by now. I mean if anyone believes that someone selling a book or videos on youtube has all the answers to sexual behavior and relationships and that the world can be explained with terms like "libra" or "simp" then I don't know what to say. Beware of snake oil and bullshit, brothers.