"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2604702]I'd never go down on a pro, escort or sex worker I had delegated a job to. When I'm playing in the sugar bowl my goal is to get the best sex possible with no offer for money, then gift them as I see appropriate at the end of the date. So, if I lick them while they are sucking I tend to get a much better BJ. At that point they aren't in it for money, they're in the FC because I charmed them there. The more I give them sexually the more I receive.

It's nice to sit back and do nothing sometimes. I've done that even in long term relationships. But what goes around usually comes around (no pun intended).

Like Andrew Dice Clay used to say, life is like sex, the more you put in the more you get out (pun intended).[/QUOTE]JL I fully agree, when I find a new one I always make sure they get more times bliss than I get. Once is enough for me. But it pays back wonderfully.

They get hooked, because they are used to a 30 second job with quite often no bliss for them. It gets better over time, they want to provide more and many time s I hard, no don't pay my rent this month I can afford it, just bring me some flowers, or a gift certificate for this restaurant for when I go out to dinner there next week with my friends.

I have a POT who is available evenings / weekends only and I am a family guy who cannot get away at these times. What can I possibly tell the SO to get away for a couple of hours?

I try to play during weekday afternoons and stay within my constraints consequently my pool of POTs is considerably smaller.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2604999]JL, while I enjoy your wisdom and stories, you are not a Sugar Daddy. I think it's an important distinction for the blog readers who do not have the pick up skill set that you do. I have never done the bar scene and do not think I have ever picked up a girl that I did not call and ask out on a date. I can't identify with that scene at all. I imagine most readers can't either. Keep the entertaining stories coming but the rest of us are slogging our way through SA negotiating the lowest allowance we can.

If I could do it, I would prefer to do a civi pickup, drop a few bucks or not, and save a shit ton of dinero.[/QUOTE]Having game is a pretty strong negotiating tactic in itself. If I can turn her on, she'll be much more willing to give me a better price compared to some socially inept guy who she wouldn't fuck if it wasn't for the money. So in a roundabout way, developing that skill set can save you just as much money, if not more, than some copy and paste message that you can spam out on SA. And yes, that's a direct reference to HWG's method. Now don't take that the wrong way, his email sequence is really good in my opinion, but the reason it works, and the reason he's able to pull women off SA for a measly 100 bucks, is because those messages show personality and are well worded (aka game.) When he meets them in person, the women see that the messages he sent are a reflection of his personality, which they are already attracted to otherwise they wouldn't have met him in the first place.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2605191]Having game is a pretty strong negotiating tactic in itself. If I can turn her on, she'll be much more willing to give me a better price compared to some socially inept guy who she wouldn't fuck if it wasn't for the money. [/QUOTE]This is one of the reasons I convey the stories here that I do -- stepping up one's game is only going to benefit a man when it comes to sex, doesn't matter in the bowl or otherwise -- whether it results in less money spent, better sex, or just general overall enjoyment. It all comes back to an understanding of what makes women tick psychologically and intrinsically, taking external rewards (money) out of the equation, which is why I write a lot about the psychology of dealing with them rather than the direct mechanics of payment and such. It astonishes me when I see someone take the stance that they can't or don't want to be bothered with understanding the psychology, they just want to be shown the discount coupons as quickly as possible. Learning to overcome the immediate urges of the little head and think with the big head is the first step to getting the upper hand on the ladies. The path of least resistance is to just give up and pay them. There is of course a time and a place when the path of least resistance is the best option, but if it's first solution reached for, then the end result is going to be very limited.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2605217]This is one of the reasons I convey the stories here that I do -- stepping up one's game is only going to benefit a man when it comes to sex, doesn't matter in the bowl or otherwise -- whether it results in less money spent, better sex, or just general overall enjoyment. It all comes back to an understanding of what makes women tick psychologically and intrinsically, taking external rewards (money) out of the equation, which is why I write a lot about the psychology of dealing with them rather than the direct mechanics of payment and such. It astonishes me when I see someone take the stance that they can't or don't want to be bothered with understanding the psychology, they just want to be shown the discount coupons as quickly as possible. Learning to overcome the immediate urges of the little head and think with the big head is the first step to getting the upper hand on the ladies. The path of least resistance is to just give up and pay them. There is of course a time and a place when the path of least resistance is the best option, but if it's first solution reached for, then the end result is going to be very limited.[/QUOTE]I'm single now, but if I was married and just wanted some pussy on the side and nothing else, I probably wouldn't bother to learn game either. The fact is, it's not something you can really learn on a message board. It takes time and practice. Some of us learned it growing up, and we're a step ahead in a lot of ways. I'm not stroking my ego with that statement, it's just a fact. But to go about learning and practicing now when you're already married, have kids and a demanding career? It's probably not realistic. So yeah, if I was in that position, I would probably be looking for a discount coupon myself LOL.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2605229]I'm single now, but if I was married and just wanted some pussy on the side and nothing else, I probably wouldn't bother to learn game either. The fact is, it's not something you can really learn on a message board. It takes time and practice. Some of us learned it growing up, and we're a step ahead in a lot of ways. I'm not stroking my ego with that statement, it's just a fact. But to go about learning and practicing now when you're already married, have kids and a demanding career? It's probably not realistic. So yeah, if I was in that position, I would probably be looking for a discount coupon myself LOL.[/QUOTE]It does take time and hands on practice, but that practice can't begin until the seeds of idea are first planted. Like you said, a lot of my strengths were developed growing up, but I was also a very early adopter of computer technology and reading things online (hint: before most people in the USA even knew what a home computer was), and I absolutely did meet people who were masters of the art, exchanged ideas with them, learned some of their tactics. Not necessarily copying their technique directly, but definitely absorbing information about their experiences and using it to shape my own technique.

In fact, some of the "gods of game" like Neil Strauss do a lot of their teaching / coaching via the Internet (including his authoring of the book "The Game" He and some of the other notables all got started with Internet newsgroups (back before the mainstream public were on the web). I'm sure they would confirm that you have to practice in order to make perfect, but the basic ideas can certainly be conveyed in writing, and their are pickup artists who will tell you they learned most of their tactics over the net.

That's not to say I'm suggesting anyone here should start trying to learn the same "fast seduction" techniques that guys in their 20's seek to learn, or start hanging out in bars and clubs, but I do still see a lot of value in the exchange of ideas. Just hearing others' experiences can influence ones behavior, and taking those influences and applying them to our own situations is how we get better.

If I were not in a relationship right now, I doubt I would even be on this message board discussing SBs, much less joining SB websites. I would still be going after civy pussy or at least SBs that I found on dating sites or nightclubs that don't yet know they are SBs. LOL.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2605149]I have a POT who is available evenings / weekends only and I am a family guy who cannot get away at these times. What can I possibly tell the SO to get away for a couple of hours? I try to play during weekday afternoons and stay within my constraints consequently my pool of POTs is considerably smaller.[/QUOTE]What most guys do that are creeping around is suddenly take an interest in some hobby that can account for the time (go to the gym, the shooting range, golfing etc. But preferably somewhere non-confirmable so the wife can't just drive up and see if you're there).

But be aware that women are onto this trick, it's not a new idea at all.

Once or twice a month.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2605149]I have a POT who is available evenings / weekends only and I am a family guy who cannot get away at these times. What can I possibly tell the SO to get away for a couple of hours?

I try to play during weekday afternoons and stay within my constraints consequently my pool of POTs is considerably smaller.[/QUOTE]

Finally allowed me to take a couple snapshots to show off. She's 19, down to earth, self sustaining, spoiled and fun to teach. Really a find, though she's a fair distance away. That's actually a good thing or I would be with her far too often and that would not be expensive trouble.

I remember reading several posts about the pitfalls of 18-19 yo pussy and it's all true. It's like a siren. I discovered just how dangerous, last visit. I was to pick her up at the school bookstore and she was running a little late. It was raining so I waited inside. Then around the corner comes a woman I used to work with who knows my spouse and family.

She asked why I was there and why Iwas hanging around the bookstore. Duhhhh, I thought. 'My daughter is considering this college for her undergrad and I wanted to checkout the campus. She bought it and thankfully my girl was late.

Those next two days, I thought that I had to stop this before I have a real mishap. Of course I told her nothing and for now, I will enjoy teaching and keeping my head on straight.

Or will I?

[QUOTE=RagTop66;2606275]Finally allowed me to take a couple snapshots to show off. She's 19, down to earth, self sustaining, spoiled and fun to teach. Really a find, though she's a fair distance away. That's actually a good thing or I would be with her far too often and that would not be expensive trouble.

I remember reading several posts about the pitfalls of 18-19 yo pussy and it's all true. It's like a siren. I discovered just how dangerous, last visit. I was to pick her up at the school bookstore and she was running a little late. It was raining so I waited inside. Then around the corner comes a woman I used to work with who knows my spouse and family.

She asked why I was there and why Iwas hanging around the bookstore. Duhhhh, I thought. 'My daughter is considering this college for her undergrad and I wanted to checkout the campus. She bought it and thankfully my girl was late.

Those next two days, I thought that I had to stop this before I have a real mishap. Of course I told her nothing and for now, I will enjoy teaching and keeping my head on straight.

Or will I?[/QUOTE]My personal favorite for women. Your girl has some nice nips.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2603146]First Michael Douglas, now Bruce Dickenson, cancer from eating pussy.

[URL]http://ultimateclassicrock.com/bruce-dickinson-cancer-oral-sex/[/URL]

Be careful who you lick, gentlemen. I'm fairly sure I found out about this all way too late in life and most likely my destiny is sealed, but maybe some can still be saved.[/QUOTE]Never bad dying doing what you love.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2606541]My personal favorite for women. Your girl has some nice nips.[/QUOTE]Provided I can keep the little head under control. I find that as I get older (just turned 60) that my sex drive only increases. Dad told me it would be like this.

[QUOTE=RagTop66;2606275]Finally allowed me to take a couple snapshots to show off. She's 19, down to earth, self sustaining, spoiled and fun to teach. Really a find, though she's a fair distance away. That's actually a good thing or I would be with her far too often and that would not be expensive trouble.

I remember reading several posts about the pitfalls of 18-19 yo pussy and it's all true. It's like a siren. I discovered just how dangerous, last visit. I was to pick her up at the school bookstore and she was running a little late. It was raining so I waited inside. Then around the corner comes a woman I used to work with who knows my spouse and family.

She asked why I was there and why Iwas hanging around the bookstore. Duhhhh, I thought. 'My daughter is considering this college for her undergrad and I wanted to checkout the campus. She bought it and thankfully my girl was late.

Those next two days, I thought that I had to stop this before I have a real mishap. Of course I told her nothing and for now, I will enjoy teaching and keeping my head on straight.

Or will I?[/QUOTE]Your asian friend is hot. Can I ask what was the damage?

As with everything else in life. Preparation is everything. I think I have read every post in the FAQ list. SA is also a good lab for experiments. If something doesn't work. Move to the next and modify approach. If something works, reuse.

Okay, now week 3. I met 5 chicks this week. One was just a makeout sesion (weird girl, hot body) - did not pay her, second was 21 why o spinner AA chick. FC. Third, 30 yo AA girl -FC.

Fourth, 30 yo latina. HJ (not comfortable with anything else but low $), fifth. MILF - best sex ever. Couldn't get up for 10 minutes after. Not sure if this was because johnson was in good shape after draining everyday and it just built up better.

So guys. Pussy is so plentiful, I am totally in a different mindset. I have had some nice vibes from civvy chicks now. I think they know the vibe of a guy who gets as much pussy as he wants and doesn't give a fuck. Two offers have come unsolicited - 33 yo athletic chick at work and a MILF I met at a party. Don't want to get involved so keepin gthem at bay now.

If anyone reading this thread has any doubts. Dispell them. Read, prepare, try, adapt. The world of unlimited pussy is before you. Grab it!

Vox out.

[QUOTE=VoxDei;2606625]As with everything else in life. Preparation is everything. I think I have read every post in the FAQ list. SA is also a good lab for experiments. If something doesn't work. Move to the next and modify approach. If something works, reuse.

Okay, now week 3. I met 5 chicks this week. One was just a makeout sesion (weird girl, hot body) - did not pay her, second was 21 why o spinner AA chick. FC. Third, 30 yo AA girl -FC.

Fourth, 30 yo latina. HJ (not comfortable with anything else but low $), fifth. MILF - best sex ever. Couldn't get up for 10 minutes after. Not sure if this was because johnson was in good shape after draining everyday and it just built up better.

So guys. Pussy is so plentiful, I am totally in a different mindset. I have had some nice vibes from civvy chicks now. I think they know the vibe of a guy who gets as much pussy as he wants and doesn't give a fuck. Two offers have come unsolicited - 33 yo athletic chick at work and a MILF I met at a party. Don't want to get involved so keepin gthem at bay now.

If anyone reading this thread has any doubts. Dispell them. Read, prepare, try, adapt. The world of unlimited pussy is before you. Grab it!

Vox out.[/QUOTE]Not giving a fuck is the key to most things in life.