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[QUOTE=MaryVilleMan;2870077]I'm new to this board and I know I probably won't get any responses. But here goes. What isn't safe about her? I've thought more than once about contacting her.[/QUOTE]You had a three star senior with over five hundred posts tell you to stay away and you still have a questions.
So go TOFTT and report back to the forum and tell everyone how it when. Good luck.
[QUOTE=JabberWockey;2868202]Looks very similar to a chick I've seen several CL ads for lately. One yesterday and again today.[/QUOTE]This girl is real, I know her personally. FYI her pics are deceiving as hell and she's got baby damage x3. That being said, she used to look pretty damn good back in the day and I know she's always needing money so someone should TOFTT.
Look, bottom line is that paying for a rubdown, dancing, stripping or some other service is NOT illegal. You can pay a girl to read Emily Dickinson to you if you want. If that heats you up. If you want to talk to all of your potential dates about illegal things that include "sex acts for money," then hey, have at it! Yeah, in those cases, you would have said whatever LE needs you to say in order to make an arrest, so look to end up on the evening news. But if you have an agreement with your date for a rub or dancing then what happens after that might be hard to prove was paid for.
Not that I have omnipotent observations but. Me thinks the decoy / cop is going to try to get you to say some form of "sex for money" in their presence. Often there are two girls in the room which IMHO is a red flag for a couple of reasons. Also assume that the room is bugged. Have not seen cases where phone conversations or emails were used as the "proof" for solicitation without the dude offering "sex for money" in person. Connecting a 'voice on a phone,' a phone number or emails with the live person standing in the room would require the kind of time (warrants, subpoena) that just aren't worth it for a misdemeanor. But hey, call or text them from your cell phone registered in your name and by all means carry that phone into the date! NOT!
So here are my 22 Rules for Dating off BP? Can you take short cuts from all this work? Sure and you can become a statistic too.
1) Look at the pics. If it is too good to be true (TGTBT), then it probably is. Top pros with websites and Eros level prices are usually the exception.
2) Check out the images. Use Tineye or Google Image.
3) What do the pictures tell you? Traveler? Regular poster? Fake pictures?
4) Fake pictures are ones that are borrowed from another website. Fake pics are also pro level shots "altered" to look amateur like. If you can't tell the difference. Back off and watch the posts for 3-months until your eye is trained.
5) Travelers, while they maybe legit and good dates can tend to have low incentive to provide a great date under the hit & run philosophy. If your not looking for repeat clients because your gone in a week, then level of service isn't of concern. Also watch for Vegas and NV area codes! You want to avoid the hardcore pro girls who know how to separate you from your hard earned cash.
6) Check the girl's number with a search engine or one of the Escort Phone number search sites. Ibid all of the above.
7) Check for reviews of the girl on USA, TER or other review type sites.
8) NEVER call a potential date from your regular cell phone that has your name, address, etc, attached to it!
8) Have a Google Voice account set up. USE IT!
9) Use a burner or hobby phone with the GV.
10) Don't buy a hobby phone with a credit card, ATM card or debit card, don't set it up with your name, address, etc.
11) When contacting the girl, be polite, know your spending limits.
12) Ask the girl about the value of her time for a massage, rubdown, dancing or reading poetry to you!
13) NEVER ask about specific acts and / or the cost of such.
14) Any girl that says it is $100 for a s*ck & f*ck is breaking the law and is either a cop or is incredibly ignorant. I'd avoid both.
15) If meeting a girl at a hotel / motel get there well in advance and do some recon. See a bunch of unmarked cars in the lot? Any vans with tinted windows and people inside? Any buses or meat packing style trucks around? When approaching the room what does one hear in the hallway from the other rooms. Bunch of cops shooting the breeze, interrogating the last suspect? What happens if you walk past the door and return a few minutes later?
16) When entering the room. Is there more than one girl there? Better ask about that right away. Consider leaving.
17) Check the rest of the room or suite for other people. More than just the girl is a red flag. Check for an unlocked adjoining door.
18) When closing the door, add the security chain or throw the safety bar. Can't imagine a cop allowing them self to be cut-off from outside help like that.
19) Ask to do the cop check thing and do a verbal play-by-play! Say, "Oh yer pussy feels so wet", or "Oh your hand on my hard di*ck feels nice!" If the prosecutor is going to use a tape to nab you, might as well get embarrassing evidence included.
20) Never take anything into the date that you don't want to loose or have used against you. Suggest carrying just the Poetry Reading Fee, your copy of Emily Dickinson and a car key. Period. No cell phones, no wads of cash, no expensive jewelry, no high-priced watches, etc.
21) NEVER TALK SEX FOR MONEY! Never hand the money to the girl! Lay it on a table, TV, counter, etc, away from the girl with NO comment. You can look at it, just do not talk about it. Some slick ways to do this is have it in an envelop with the words, "fee for reading poetry" written on it. You can use the bathroom and leave it in there and then ask the girl to check something in the bathroom for you.
22) If she makes statements about sex for money, before she is fully naked and holding yer Johnson, say "I have no idea what your talking about, I came for a rub, dancing, poetry reading and turn and leave.
23. NEVER pay up front! By this I mean never put the money in the girls control until she has finished the poetry reading! If she is coming to you, she can pay the driver on the way home! Pay him now and what incentive does he have to stick around? It makes zero sense. Girls who have been ripped off before often want to see that you have the money before they will read. This is a distrusting soul so beware. That distrust can bleed over into other areas of the date.
When I have been asked for the money, I am glad to show them that I have the Poetry Reading Fee. I'll fan the bills out so she can count them while maintaining a firm grip. I watch for her grabbing for the fee. (she does that and I am gone) That usually satisfies most girls. Then the fee goes back in my pocket until the last Sonnet is verbalized. For others, I might lay the fee out in the open, on a TV, bed stand, chair etc. , with the provision that she gets the fee once the reading is over. IN ADDITION I make sure I remain between her and the fee at all times. So it makes sense to place the fee closer to the door than to the bathroom. She might legitimately head to the Bathroom during the date, but heading the other direction can only be for the cash. Shoot, once I actually placed the fee on the floor right next to the door after I secured the safety bar.
I had one girl, a former stripper, insist that I pay her up front. I tried showing her the money, laying it out and a few other things. When that didn't work, I gathered myself up and headed out the door. (doing that usually injects a bunch of reason in the girl) Oh sure in this extreme case she was arguing with me for 15-minutes about paying up front. Once I was in the car and turning the key, she realized she was going to get nothing, she relented. But the bottom line is. If you are NOT willing to walk away, you can become a victim. Always be willing to walk if she isn't reasonable! Anyone doing a scam is going to insist you play her game, refuse & walk away and she out games herself.
Finally. Any interjection of a third party into things is the recipe for disaster. The girl doesn't need to pay the baby sitter up front, the driver before she is returned home, give her friend money for groceries or pay for the room first. All of these are set ups for possible scams. Once the money leaves your control, you have no control over the date and are vulnerable to a scam.
Had some girl tell me her process was to give the money paid up front to her friend, since she had been ripped off before. I didn't bite and she tried every way possible to get me to pay something up front. In this case, I was picking her up for a date. Oh sure, she promised to leave her phone, jewelry or something else of value as collateral so that she would come back after handing her friend the money. Problem is this is a bad trade. Usually what is left as "collateral" turns out to be worthless junk. A $20 cellphone, costume jewelry, etc. She leaves a phone and if she reports it stolen and it gets locked. What value is it? So the "leaving collateral" is a trade: she is trading up and you are trading down.
Also in the pick the girl up scenario. If you pay her up front, she can jump out of the car at the first stop sign or traffic light. Even worse for you is if she does that and screams rape or that you beat her. Her having the fee up front and the BF can bust in the room or make a scene where you want to leave as fast as possible. Sure these are extreme cases, but anyone insisting on being paid up front is more likely to exhibit those behaviors. Don't play this game, just don't pay up front!
Can you follow all of these rules and still get arrested? Sure. Anything can happen. But if you follow these rules the chances of anything sticking are pretty darn slim.
Play safe, play knowledgeable.
Happy hunting!
These are just the best I could come up with. I hope others with more experience will add to the list.
[QUOTE=JroBanks;2871831]Look, bottom line is that paying for a rubdown, dancing, stripping or some other service is NOT illegal. You can pay....
....These are just the best I could come up with. I hope others with more experience will add to the list.[/QUOTE]Very informative. Good job. I didn't know most of these until I joined this board. I did get ripped off a few times. As long as you have the $$ you have the power. Kinda.
I'd be plenty of money ahead and had way less bad encounters using these ideas. Even after more than thirty years in the game, the little head still does most of the thinking. I know this site has a similar list, and have read it over numerous times.
Sorry about Whitney, she is a peach in this arena of sour grapes.
[QUOTE=ChloeBaby2425;2872082]You know first I have to say Bluford or who ever you are I have no idea. You need to get a fucking life, I don't have a boyfriend first and foremost and even of I did the relevance of that is none. You obviously have some trouble getting dates so feel like you need to get on here and bash those that are doing well and not in just this hobby but life as well. You are pathetic, what You think by saying that it's going to change my clients or their opinions to see me? Highly doubtful. For anyone who has seen me I provide nothing but as good a service as absolutely possible. And Bezee2012? Really? You want to bash me on here? Hunny please don't make me air out your dirty laundry, because trust and believe guys if you only knew the person Mr. BEZEE really was you definately wouldn't listen nor even remotely take the time to take advice from him. You are losers, with no lives, and have nothing better to do but stay on some forum all day and talk about shit you don't even know if it is factual or not. Grow the fuck up, get a life, and maybe then some girl will feel sorry for your pathetic asses and actually see you. Oh and Bezee I'll be sure to make sure that your "so called job" gets flushed down the toilet too since I'm sucjb).[/QUOTE]I have helped you a lot chloe you can't deny that. Putting money on your books and sending you pictures and ear plugs and stamps when you said you had no one. I am sorry you feel like I bashed you I just gave a honest opinion of the massage skills I never vashed the other areas of service because they are above average and worth it but you do what you have to do. Thus post you had will only hurt you on thus site for attacking members but again it is your choice.
Guys,
JroBanks has made some good points. Here are a couple of points that are off the mark.
For others, I might lay the fee out in the open, on a TV, bed stand, chair etc. , with the provision that she gets the fee once the reading is over.
This still constitutes possession exchange. You are 9/10th toast with intent revealed.
13) NEVER ask about specific acts and / or the cost of such.
You can discuss sex all that you want. NEVER discuss sex and money. This is solicitation whether you exchange possession. You have to be correct at all points in the interaction. This includes any eletronic communications. The solicitation could be used to establish intent, EVEN if you do the exchange correctly.
A few more minor off points are in his piece, but they are more in the grey area.
ALWAYS act like that you have a LEO in your presence. Consider and learn why a swinger's party is legal. Could you have a swinger's party for 2? This is called closed swing, guys. LEOs have a job to do. Consider it from their perspective. If a person is blatantly breaking the law in public view, the public will wonder about why nothing is being done about it. Remember that leos are YOUR servants.
Bluford.
[QUOTE=JroBanks;2871831]Look, bottom line is that paying for a rubdown, dancing, stripping or some other service is NOT illegal. You can pay a girl to read Emily Dickinson to you if you want. If that heats you up. If you want to talk to all of your potential dates about illegal things that include "sex acts for money," then hey, have at it! Yeah, in those cases, you would have said whatever LE needs you to say in order to make an arrest, so look to end up on the evening news. But if you have an agreement with your date for a rub or dancing then what happens after that might be hard to prove was paid for.
Not that I have omnipotent observations but. Me thinks the decoy / cop is going to try to get you to say some form of "sex for money" in their presence. Often there are two girls in the room which IMHO is a red flag for a couple of reasons. Also assume that the room is bugged. Have not seen cases where phone conversations or emails were used as the "proof" for solicitation without the dude offering "sex for money" in person. Connecting a 'voice on a phone,' a phone number or emails with the live person standing in the room would require the kind of time (warrants, subpoena) that just aren't worth it for a misdemeanor. But hey, call or text them from your cell phone registered in your name and by all means carry that phone into the date! NOT!
So here are my 22 Rules for Dating off BP? Can you take short cuts from all this work? Sure and you can become a statistic too.
1) Look at the pics. If it is too good to be true (TGTBT), then it probably is. Top pros with websites and Eros level prices are usually the exception.
2) Check out the images. Use Tineye or Google Image.
3) What do the pictures tell you? Traveler? Regular poster? Fake pictures?
4) Fake pictures are ones that are borrowed from another website. Fake pics are also pro level shots "altered" to look amateur like. If you can't tell the difference. Back off and watch the posts for 3-months until your eye is trained.
5) Travelers, while they maybe legit and good dates can tend to have low incentive to provide a great date under the hit & run philosophy. If your not looking for repeat clients because your gone in a week, then level of service isn't of concern. Also watch for Vegas and NV area codes! You want to avoid the hardcore pro girls who know how to separate you from your hard earned cash.
6) Check the girl's number with a search engine or one of the Escort Phone number search sites. Ibid all of the above.
7) Check for reviews of the girl on USA, TER or other review type sites.
8) NEVER call a potential date from your regular cell phone that has your name, address, etc, attached to it!
8) Have a Google Voice account set up. USE IT!
9) Use a burner or hobby phone with the GV.
10) Don't buy a hobby phone with a credit card, ATM card or debit card, don't set it up with your name, address, etc.
11) When contacting the girl, be polite, know your spending limits.
12) Ask the girl about the value of her time for a massage, rubdown, dancing or reading poetry to you!
13) NEVER ask about specific acts and / or the cost of such.
14) Any girl that says it is $100 for a s*ck & f*ck is breaking the law and is either a cop or is incredibly ignorant. I'd avoid both.
15) If meeting a girl at a hotel / motel get there well in advance and do some recon. See a bunch of unmarked cars in the lot? Any vans with tinted windows and people inside? Any buses or meat packing style trucks around? When approaching the room what does one hear in the hallway from the other rooms. Bunch of cops shooting the breeze, interrogating the last suspect? What happens if you walk past the door and return a few minutes later?
16) When entering the room. Is there more than one girl there? Better ask about that right away. Consider leaving.
17) Check the rest of the room or suite for other people. More than just the girl is a red flag. Check for an unlocked adjoining door.
18) When closing the door, add the security chain or throw the safety bar. Can't imagine a cop allowing them self to be cut-off from outside help like that.
19) Ask to do the cop check thing and do a verbal play-by-play! Say, "Oh yer pussy feels so wet", or "Oh your hand on my hard di*ck feels nice!" If the prosecutor is going to use a tape to nab you, might as well get embarrassing evidence included.
20) Never take anything into the date that you don't want to loose or have used against you. Suggest carrying just the Poetry Reading Fee, your copy of Emily Dickinson and a car key. Period. No cell phones, no wads of cash, no expensive jewelry, no high-priced watches, etc.
21) NEVER TALK SEX FOR MONEY! Never hand the money to the girl! Lay it on a table, TV, counter, etc, away from the girl with NO comment. You can look at it, just do not talk about it. Some slick ways to do this is have it in an envelop with the words, "fee for reading poetry" written on it. You can use the bathroom and leave it in there and then ask the girl to check something in the bathroom for you.
22) If she makes statements about sex for money, before she is fully naked and holding yer Johnson, say "I have no idea what your talking about, I came for a rub, dancing, poetry reading and turn and leave.
23. NEVER pay up front! By this I mean never put the money in the girls control until she has finished the poetry reading! If she is coming to you, she can pay the driver on the way home! Pay him now and what incentive does he have to stick around? It makes zero sense. Girls who have been ripped off before often want to see that you have the money before they will read. This is a distrusting soul so beware. That distrust can bleed over into other areas of the date.
When I have been asked for the money, I am glad to show them that I have the Poetry Reading Fee. I'll fan the bills out so she can count them while maintaining a firm grip. I watch for her grabbing for the fee. (she does that and I am gone) That usually satisfies most girls. Then the fee goes back in my pocket until the last Sonnet is verbalized. For others, I might lay the fee out in the open, on a TV, bed stand, chair etc. , with the provision that she gets the fee once the reading is over. IN ADDITION I make sure I remain between her and the fee at all times. So it makes sense to place the fee closer to the door than to the bathroom. She might legitimately head to the Bathroom during the date, but heading the other direction can only be for the cash. Shoot, once I actually placed the fee on the floor right next to the door after I secured the safety bar.
I had one girl, a former stripper, insist that I pay her up front. I tried showing her the money, laying it out and a few other things. When that didn't work, I gathered myself up and headed out the door. (doing that usually injects a bunch of reason in the girl) Oh sure in this extreme case she was arguing with me for 15-minutes about paying up front. Once I was in the car and turning the key, she realized she was going to get nothing, she relented. But the bottom line is. If you are NOT willing to walk away, you can become a victim. Always be willing to walk if she isn't reasonable! Anyone doing a scam is going to insist you play her game, refuse & walk away and she out games herself.
Finally. Any interjection of a third party into things is the recipe for disaster. The girl doesn't need to pay the baby sitter up front, the driver before she is returned home, give her friend money for groceries or pay for the room first. All of these are set ups for possible scams. Once the money leaves your control, you have no control over the date and are vulnerable to a scam.
Had some girl tell me her process was to give the money paid up front to her friend, since she had been ripped off before. I didn't bite and she tried every way possible to get me to pay something up front. In this case, I was picking her up for a date. Oh sure, she promised to leave her phone, jewelry or something else of value as collateral so that she would come back after handing her friend the money. Problem is this is a bad trade. Usually what is left as "collateral" turns out to be worthless junk. A $20 cellphone, costume jewelry, etc. She leaves a phone and if she reports it stolen and it gets locked. What value is it? So the "leaving collateral" is a trade: she is trading up and you are trading down.
Also in the pick the girl up scenario. If you pay her up front, she can jump out of the car at the first stop sign or traffic light. Even worse for you is if she does that and screams rape or that you beat her. Her having the fee up front and the BF can bust in the room or make a scene where you want to leave as fast as possible. Sure these are extreme cases, but anyone insisting on being paid up front is more likely to exhibit those behaviors. Don't play this game, just don't pay up front!
Can you follow all of these rules and still get arrested? Sure. Anything can happen. But if you follow these rules the chances of anything sticking are pretty darn slim.
Play safe, play knowledgeable.
Happy hunting!
These are just the best I could come up with. I hope others with more experience will add to the list.[/QUOTE]
Guys,
Chloe has given us a prime example of why I have MY rules.
1) Bringing girls to the board differs from bringing them to the site.
2) Giving my handle to someone else without my permission.
3) Keeping your mouths shut about me with the girls.
Here is a consequence of not following these simple rules:
Oh and Bezee I'll be sure to make sure that your "so called job" gets flushed down the toilet too since I'm sucjb).
I get out and about strolling. Frequenting places that prospective friends congregate helps. This is where I saw Chloe and her bf. Well, she was sticking her tongue down some guy's throat.
Bluford.
[QUOTE=ChloeBaby2425;2872082]You know first I have to say Bluford or who ever you are I have no idea. You need to get a fucking life, I don't have a boyfriend first and foremost and even of I did the relevance of that is none. You obviously have some trouble getting dates so feel like you need to get on here and bash those that are doing well and not in just this hobby but life as well. You are pathetic, what You think by saying that it's going to change my clients or their opinions to see me? Highly doubtful. For anyone who has seen me I provide nothing but as good a service as absolutely possible. And Bezee2012? Really? You want to bash me on here? Hunny please don't make me air out your dirty laundry, because trust and believe guys if you only knew the person Mr. BEZEE really was you definately wouldn't listen nor even remotely take the time to take advice from him. You are losers, with no lives, and have nothing better to do but stay on some forum all day and talk about shit you don't even know if it is factual or not. Grow the fuck up, get a life, and maybe then some girl will feel sorry for your pathetic asses and actually see you. Oh and Bezee I'll be sure to make sure that your "so called job" gets flushed down the toilet too since I'm sucjb).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bluford;2872405]Guys,
Chloe has given us a prime example of why I have MY rules.
1) Bringing girls to the board differs from bringing them to the site.
2) Giving my handle to someone else without my permission.
3) Keeping your mouths shut about me with the girls.
Here is a consequence of not following these simple rules:
Oh and Bezee I'll be sure to make sure that your "so called job" gets flushed down the toilet too since I'm sucjb).
I get out and about strolling. Frequenting places that prospective friends congregate helps. This is where I saw Chloe and her bf. Well, she was sticking her tongue down some guy's throat.
Bluford.[/QUOTE]I saw a nice girl, I had a good time, I posted about it. Isn't that what we are here for? Have you been a customer of Chloe's? You have run her down for two days. Please let it go before I resort to calling you a _ (fill in the blank 300 words or less).
Your bullsh*t detector is the best proactive defense. You manitalways be able to know if a girl is fake, but you should be able to identify if a girl is real.
When I contact a new provider, I always inquire about her consulting services. I am seeking a new consultant. They know what I want. I know what she wants. Sometimes I just take a chance if my preferred service is on her menu. Other times I might ask "I realize that every consulting situation is different, but has there ever been a situation in which you kissed a new friend? (. in which your engagement was interrupted for a trip to Greece, etc.).
Just wanted to say thanks to Bluford and JroBanks for this info. I am new at this hobby and this info will definitely be used by me in the future. While I'm at it a BIG thanks to FreeThinker2 for helping me (a newbie to this) recently!
[QUOTE=CuriousButSafe;2873737]Just wanted to say thanks to Bluford and JroBanks for this info. I am new at this hobby and this info will definitely be used by me in the future. While I'm at it a BIG thanks to FreeThinker2 for helping me (a newbie to this) recently![/QUOTE]She told me she enjoyed herself also!!
FT2.
First post.
Lurker but ready to post and more adventure.
Saw Kate for second time. [URL]http://knoxville.backpage.com/BodyRubs/hot-young-girl-needing-attention/17007162[/URL].
Non rushed.
Good experience.
But left smelling like smoke.
Anyone know a non smoker that can do lunchtimes?
PM me.
For those of you that read up about "Klair's" little scam around the first of the month. I have much new info for anyone interested. I had a dream with a woman in town per a friend's recommendation. Her and a friend of hers knows this woman running the scam out of Ben's Trailer Park in Clinton. They shook their heads when I told them what had happened. Apparently she just moved there from Knox because her and hubby are having a hard time keeping a place in the ville. They've only been at that location for a short while. My new acquaintances tell me her and hubby have been at this same game for 2 years in our town and she's never once been a good sport. They also tell me that the piece hubby is barging in the room with is in fact a BB gun. They're bad on H but they still praise the lord. They're married and have a child, and they are actually doing this scam out of their home with their personal vehicle parked in their driveway. PM for more info, I have it all. I just want to shut this shady crap down. Hubby is a wigger who has friends that would like for you to hear their mix tape, if you're trying to get a feel for Mr. Badass's mental capacity.
Anyone know anything about Keli? 315 area code, stays north.
[URL]http://knoxville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/whats-better-than-one-women-two-sexy-ones-looking-for-fun-now/16877535[/URL]