"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Ftp. You are correct. I also work out regularly and am willing to Exchange pics via text and email. As an aside I never post pics on the site, and after the AM hack, every girl I've communicated with understands why.

I am realtively certain that age, and being in good shape play a big role in my numbers. I also spent much of my 20's and early 30's in bars refining my game. The first year was rough and filled with rejection, but once you understand how to "read" someone, and figuring out how to tailor your game to them, it makes life infinitely easier. It also probably helps that I spent the past few years playing poker in every major poker room on both coasts, and have made a few dollars (barely above break even) doing so.

The SA thing is much easier than the bar scene, or a poker table, ever was.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2603094]Smelly,

I am guessing you are way under 50 . I am sure that plays a role. I just lost a couple of POTS because of age.[/QUOTE]

Vox, I hear you and understand where you're coming from, but have to respectfully disagree. Any attorney worth their salt wouldn't take a retainer fee for something like this. If they do, then the attorney is a scumbag and will only be interested in scaring the Situation to generate more fees for themself.

If in fact the Situation is contacted by a real attorney who is licenced appropriately and provides him with his bar id number in the state where he or she passed the bar, then yes, I agree that it would be best to contact a real lawyer then. Otherwise I think its safe to assume that this is a young girl who is running a scam with her friends.

Just my two cents though, and nothing in this post should be construed as advice of any kind. It's just how I would approach the problem.

[QUOTE=VoxDei;2603081]Find a lawyer who is willing to be your lawyer for a small sum. You will pay them if you actually get contacted by the other lawyer or get sued. Then you just say "I am represented by John Doe" - if they still harass you without calling your lawyer then they are total scam artists because no lawyer would talk to a party without counsel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2603146]First Michael Douglas, now Bruce Dickenson, cancer from eating pussy.

[URL]http://ultimateclassicrock.com/bruce-dickinson-cancer-oral-sex/[/URL]

Be careful who you lick, gentlemen. I'm fairly sure I found out about this all way too late in life and most likely my destiny is sealed, but maybe some can still be saved.[/QUOTE]The penetration rate of HPV is high, so most likely most of us over 30 are exposed. The actual cancer possibility is dependent on one's immune health, which in turn is dependent on over diet, fitness, and genetics.

Gardisil Vaccine was approved by the FDA in 2006 and protects against the 2 high risk 16 and 18 type which cause 75 % of cancers. Expanded vaccines cover more genotypes. The Vaccine is indicated for ages up to 26. Therefore, girls who were 26 at that time are now 35. ERGO, many girls 35 and under are vaccinated against HPV 16 and 18 ,albeit roll out started slowly and expanded to a mandated vaccination for boys and girls at the present time in some states.

"Even though the vaccine uptake rate is much lower than other vaccines, it is growing. From 2012-13, the vaccine update grew for girls from 53.8% to 57.3%unfortunately, only a third had received the full three doses. On the other hand, vaccine uptake for teenage boys grew from 20.8% to 34.6% in the same period of time.

According to the lead author of the report, Shannon Stokley, assistant director for science at the CDC's Immunization Services Division, still believes that the 80% goal is still realistic:

So the good news is that most of our target audience-that is girls under 30 ,have been vaccinated against the most predominant HPV risk types.

So gentlemen, stop eating pussy so these babies will be more likely to seek out a fellaciologist like me. Maybe I'll put it in my Profile -"Still eat pussy ".

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2603452]
So the good news is that most of our target audience-that is girls under 30 ,have been vaccinated against the most predominant HPV risk types.
[/QUOTE]Yeah but it's just like flu shots. Every time someone who has already been vaccinated against it gets the flu anyway, they just say "oh yeah well that's a new strain of the same virus that we don't have a vaccine for yet".

So it will be a new strain or mutation of HPV, or something else entirely. Maybe throat cancer, maybe something else. And as always the preventive measure and / or information will come too late for many.

It comes down to the fact there's a lot of money to be made from sick people. Not so much the case with healthy people. With a for-profit pharma / insurance / health care system, which do you think they are really after?

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2603410]
The SA thing is much easier than the bar scene, or a poker table, ever was.[/QUOTE]Very true. However, I find that all of the skills I developed operating in bars and clubs pay massive dividends when dealing with SBs.

The more we understand about women, the better our game and the better your game the more pussy you get. Without game I would probably be limited to UTR types, and not getting anything I didn't directly pay for.

Thing is, we can never get a true understanding of women from hanging around pros / UTR etc. , so if it doesn't come from real-world dating experience, bar hopping, short and long term relationships, etc. Then I don't know where else it would come from.

Amen brother.

There is no way I am getting the attention I get from SB in the real world.

A dream would for me.

Love it while it lasts and I wake up.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2603410]Ftp. You are correct. I also work out regularly and am willing to Exchange pics via text and email. As an aside I never post pics on the site, and after the AM hack, every girl I've communicated with understands why.

I am realtively certain that age, and being in good shape play a big role in my numbers. I also spent much of my 20's and early 30's in bars refining my game. The first year was rough and filled with rejection, but once you understand how to "read" someone, and figuring out how to tailor your game to them, it makes life infinitely easier. It also probably helps that I spent the past few years playing poker in every major poker room on both coasts, and have made a few dollars (barely above break even) doing so.

The SA thing is much easier than the bar scene, or a poker table, ever was.[/QUOTE]

For better or worse, not really an SB anymore, but she started that way. Had a rare overnight recently, and just wow. An hour of fun after we went to bed. About 45 minutes in the wee hours when we both woke up horny. Capped off with almost two hours of morning sex.

Even though the pop count for me wasn't terribly high, there's a lot to be said for the non-stop attention to the little head.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2603989]Amen brother.

There is no way I am getting the attention I get from SB in the real world.

A dream would for me.

Love it while it lasts and I wake up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2603452]...So gentlemen, stop eating pussy so these babies will be more likely to seek out a fellaciologist like me. Maybe I'll put it in my Profile -"Still eat pussy ".[/QUOTE]Fellatio is when a babe or SB goes down on you hee. Hee. Hee.

I tend to agree with you. My assumption is that OP wants to do something given multiple posts. The easiest thing to do is nothing.

Vd.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2603429]Vox, I hear you and understand where you're coming from, but have to respectfully disagree. Any attorney worth their salt wouldn't take a retainer fee for something like this. If they do, then the attorney is a scumbag and will only be interested in scaring the Situation to generate more fees for themself.

If in fact the Situation is contacted by a real attorney who is licenced appropriately and provides him with his bar id number in the state where he or she passed the bar, then yes, I agree that it would be best to contact a real lawyer then. Otherwise I think its safe to assume that this is a young girl who is running a scam with her friends.

Just my two cents though, and nothing in this post should be construed as advice of any kind. It's just how I would approach the problem.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2603146]First Michael Douglas, now Bruce Dickenson, cancer from eating pussy.

[URL]http://ultimateclassicrock.com/bruce-dickinson-cancer-oral-sex/[/URL]

Be careful who you lick, gentlemen. I'm fairly sure I found out about this all way too late in life and most likely my destiny is sealed, but maybe some can still be saved.[/QUOTE]I have always operated under the assumption that it is their job to suck and swallow, not my job to lick. After all, I am paying these girls in the end. Let them take care of my needs.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2604177]Fellatio is when a babe or SB goes down on you hee. Hee. Hee.[/QUOTE]Got me!

OK, so this message won't send because it is too short. That should do it.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2603146]First Michael Douglas, now Bruce Dickenson, cancer from eating pussy.

[URL]http://ultimateclassicrock.com/bruce-dickinson-cancer-oral-sex/[/URL]



Be careful who you lick, gentlemen. I'm fairly sure I found out about this all way too late in life and most likely my destiny is sealed, but maybe some can still be saved.[/QUOTE]I've been seeing escorts for 17 years and still dread it when my wife goes to get her semi-annual Gyn check up. So far I haven't given her anything that I know of.

Although my first case of an STD from an escort came this past spring. Got the Clap from a BP girl. Lucky for me sex with the wife is few and far between so I got it treated in time. Thought I would quit after that but 2 months later my little head sent me to the Sugar Bowl in search of low volume fun that might reduce my risk over ladies doing quick visits cheap.

[QUOTE=ChinaIst;2604406]I have always operated under the assumption that it is their job to suck and swallow, not my job to lick. After all, I am paying these girls in the end. Let them take care of my needs.[/QUOTE]I'd never go down on a pro, escort or sex worker I had delegated a job to. When I'm playing in the sugar bowl my goal is to get the best sex possible with no offer for money, then gift them as I see appropriate at the end of the date. So, if I lick them while they are sucking I tend to get a much better BJ. At that point they aren't in it for money, they're in the FC because I charmed them there. The more I give them sexually the more I receive.

It's nice to sit back and do nothing sometimes. I've done that even in long term relationships. But what goes around usually comes around (no pun intended).

Like Andrew Dice Clay used to say, life is like sex, the more you put in the more you get out (pun intended).

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2604702]I'd never go down on a pro, escort or sex worker I had delegated a job to. When I'm playing in the sugar bowl my goal is to get the best sex possible with no offer for money, then gift them as I see appropriate at the end of the date. So, if I lick them while they are sucking I tend to get a much better BJ. At that point they aren't in it for money, they're in the FC because I charmed them there. The more I give them sexually the more I receive.

It's nice to sit back and do nothing sometimes. I've done that even in long term relationships. But what goes around usually comes around (no pun intended).

Like Andrew Dice Clay used to say, life is like sex, the more you put in the more you get out (pun intended).[/QUOTE]JL, while I enjoy your wisdom and stories, you are not a Sugar Daddy. I think it's an important distinction for the blog readers who do not have the pick up skill set that you do. I have never done the bar scene and do not think I have ever picked up a girl that I did not call and ask out on a date. I can't identify with that scene at all. I imagine most readers can't either. Keep the entertaining stories coming but the rest of us are slogging our way through SA negotiating the lowest allowance we can.

If I could do it, I would prefer to do a civi pickup, drop a few bucks or not, and save a shit ton of dinero.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2604999]JL, while I enjoy your wisdom and stories, you are not a Sugar Daddy. [/QUOTE]Fred, as you know (or should since it has been spelled out a few dozen times), I play the role of a part-time occasional Sugar Daddy. This is not the same as a "true" SD, who is really just an older guy who becomes a providing long-term boyfriend for his much younger sugar baby, providing ongoing allowance (and usually a place to live) for something that resembles a real relationship (otherwise she's just a mistress, or escort or whatever to him).

But what I do is as much a SD as anything anyone else does here on this forum (actually more so in most cases since so many folks here seem to be making direct financial offers to UTR escorts). One could say that the term "Sugardaddy", for purposes of what is discussed in this particular thread, means anyone who is getting laid using the SD websites like SA and such -- but no that is not a "REAL sugardaddy".

Nobody who is setting up "per hour" meetings with girls who are basically escorting (and just prefer not to call it that) is in any position to set the definition for what a true Sugardaddy is or is not. Also, nobody who is not a multi-millionaire can really claim to be a true SD by the tradition definition of the word, either.

That said, I do agree with you that I'm not an "actual" Sugardaddy. It's just that I am as much one as anyone here in behavior, just less so in total number of hours and dollars spent per year.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2604999]
I think it's an important distinction for the blog readers who do not have the pick up skill set that you do. I have never done the bar scene and do not think I have ever picked up a girl that I did not call and ask out on a date. I can't identify with that scene at all. I imagine most readers can't either. Keep the entertaining stories coming but the rest of us are slogging our way through SA negotiating the lowest allowance we can.

If I could do it, I would prefer to do a civi pickup, drop a few bucks or not, and save a shit ton of dinero.[/QUOTE]I think you misunderstood my comments or did not read them thoroughly. My message was basically conveying that non-SD dating activities, like learning how to pick up girls who aren't being paid, creates a skill set that pays off later in life for when you leave the bar scene and start dabbling in the bowl.

I think with a reasonable effort toward reading comprehension on the part of the reader, most of my messages are pretty clear on the distinction between civy dating related comments and sugardaddying comments. I'm sure I slip up and make the distinction blurry at times, but anyone who reads my posts regularly should be able to "get it" easily enough if they are paying any level of attention.

At the end of it all, game is game. Anyone who doesn't have it would do well to listen to those that do rather than try to create barriers to knowledge -- it will benefit them in any aspect of interactions with women, whether SBs, girlfriends, pros, whatever -- the tactics that work with women in one situation are transferable to other situations.

I should probably also add that the bar scene and true sugardaddying does not need to be mutally exclusive. In places like Vegas and Miami, there are plenty of millionaire (true SD) types that pick up most if not all of their SBs from upscale nightclubs rather than websites and forums. They score big not only because of their wealth but because they have developed the skill of handling women, in other words game (you have to develop that skill in order to close deals in person without using the web). In almost every case, you could take a skilled bar-scene SD and put him on the web, and he will do better than a wannabe SD who uses only websites. It's like smellyfish said, the bar scene is harder so learning how to operate at that higher level of difficulty, or at least learning from the war stories and tactics of those who've been there, would make any web-daddy a better SD.