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[QUOTE=Murrican;7165971]All respect man but this is plain awful advice. I repeat what I said. We live in a world where girls can make allegations and you are guilty until private. Even if the girl doesn't know where you live, it's not exactly hard to track you if you use a hotel room or an Airbnb. Many girls will lie for retribution. Tricking a girl to have sex with you is playing with fire and gasoline. OP needs to walk away. Getting tricked sucks. Tricking a girl back is just asking for an escalation you might not be able to back down from. Once the snowball gathers enough speed sometimes it's just going to keep rolling and you wish you hadn't pushed it down the hill.[/QUOTE]You are probably right, and I have had a few instances where the situation escalated, but I was able to calm them down and eventually work my way back in. On one occasion, we became 'friends' after some tome, and I wound up leaving her at a restaurant with the check. So much time had passed she couldn't even remember what she did. I didn't get a chance to fuck her again, but I got even. Like everyone, I've been burned before, but I hate being ticked, and if I can get even, I will, no matter how long it takes.

[QUOTE=MrBlueSea;7166745]if I can get even, I will, no matter how long it takes.[/QUOTE]To each his own and all of that. Of course. But this is just an awful way to live. And especially bad in this game. You're dealing with idiot women. Not saying all women are idiots but seeking is hardly filled with data scientists. These are just stupid young women who do stupid things because they're stupid. They are usually not malicious. Most don't know which fork to use in a restaurant. Most don't have a passport. Most have dead end jobs and mundane lives. Just let it be. If a girl does something to upset you just be happy it's you who is the customer and not the seller in this game. It's much better on this side of the transaction, we can all agree. Imagine 21 year old you having to bang 50 year old women for 600 bucks and to have to maintain the illusion it's ok for you. Yes I know all the nuances here. Girls are different. Many of us aren't trolls. And on and on. But the point remains. Just walk away.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;7166290]
Guys this goes back to remembering these girls are not our real girlfriends. You do not pay to have a real girlfriend or for love, ever. These girls are fucking us and PRETENDING to be LIKE a girlfriend. And ONLY because we are PAYING them. Always remember that. These girls do not need to have any loyalty to us. Just like we don't need to, to them. This is always no strings attached. Don't get suckered.
.[/QUOTE]I have said this so many times. Amen. It irritates me when guys do things like refer to their SB as their girlfriend. I'm always that dude that flies in and pops their bubble. It's not my style but it's warranted. I always have to remind guys, if you stop paying and she stops coming, she ain't your girlfriend. And sometimes the insanity continues. Like a guy will say I keep giving her money because I want to not because I have to. The level of self delusion sometimes is psychopathic.

I have no problem with what this is. I'm almost 50. I know that 23 year old would rather be banging a 25 year old guy. I'm not stupid. I get it. I accept it. I have no illusions that it's only my money that got this started but now she really likes me for me and me alone. It's embarrassing to even write that. I'm actually a quite good looking guy and do well outside the seeking game. But to think some girl who was in high school a few years ago would do this without money is retarded.

[QUOTE=Murrican;7167077]Not saying all women are idiots[/QUOTE]Fine, if you won't then I will. All women are idiots. LOL Younger women are just double idiots.

I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, your advice is sound and moving on is the smart move. On the other hand, since almost every guy thinks and acts this way, these hoes get away with murder and nobody ever teaches them a lesson. So I feel like MrBlueSea is the hero we need, not the hero we deserve.

[QUOTE=Murrican;7167089]I have no problem with what this is. I'm almost 50. I know that 23 year old would rather be banging a 25 year old guy. I'm not stupid. I get it. I accept it. I have no illusions that it's only my money that got this started but now she really likes me for me and me alone. It's embarrassing to even write that. I'm actually a quite good looking guy and do well outside the seeking game. But to think some girl who was in high school a few years ago would do this without money is retarded.[/QUOTE]That's your experience, it isn't everyone's. I have had 3 long-term arrangements. I haven't been "w /" any of them in years, and we don't text more than yearly. Any of them would take my text or call and have a coffee or lunch w / me, on me. Gratis. At least partly because none of them have SOs. There's shared good times and friendship. I have this b / c that is what I go for, and it's hard to find, even more so now.

There are a few girls who are truly looking for age-gap relationships, or want a dom, or whatever. Those are the ones I want to tap.

Someone recently posted about getting a sugar FB page. I knew I had a FB messenger account w / my sugar email, so I checked if I could turn that into FB. It worked fine. I put up the same profile photo I use on seeking, my sugar name, and nothing else essentially.

The weird / scary part is all of the suggested friends FB lists for me. There are a lot lot lot of girls who I have banged on seeking, or otherwise been in touch with, and there are also a lot of dudes from Africa. So the latter are obviously the catfishers I have had some sort of communication with.

This just goes to show the pervasive nature of online tracking, and why we have to be absolutely scrupulous with keeping the sugar life separate from IRL. If someone from your daily life showed up on one of those friends suggestion lists for your sugar FB, woo, that could be bad (for those of us trying / needing to stay UTR).

[QUOTE=Murrican;7167077]To each his own and all of that. Of course. But this is just an awful way to live. And especially bad in this game. You're dealing with idiot women. Not saying all women are idiots but seeking is hardly filled with data scientists. These are just stupid young women who do stupid things because they're stupid. They are usually not malicious. Most don't know which fork to use in a restaurant. Most don't have a passport. Most have dead end jobs and mundane lives. Just let it be. If a girl does something to upset you just be happy it's you who is the customer and not the seller in this game. It's much better on this side of the transaction, we can all agree. Imagine 21 year old you having to bang 50 year old women for 600 bucks and to have to maintain the illusion it's ok for you. Yes I know all the nuances here. Girls are different. Many of us aren't trolls. And on and on. But the point remains. Just walk away.[/QUOTE]I get what you are saying and agree with some of it. However, in my experience with this, the ones that pull shit typically are smart and have no problem ripping us off, and do it frequently. These girls are hardly innocent. I had one once pull a knife on me, and when I laughed about it and told her how hot she looked 'robbing' me, that alone was enough to make her want to see me again. Strange but true. I could go on with more examples. All I can say is, trying to 'correct' being taken advantage of is not an awful way to live, especially in this game.

[QUOTE=MrBlueSea;7167231]I get what you are saying and agree with some of it. However, in my experience with this, the ones that pull shit typically are smart and have no problem ripping us off, and do it frequently. These girls are hardly innocent. I had one once pull a knife on me, and when I laughed about it and told her how hot she looked 'robbing' me, that alone was enough to make her want to see me again. Strange but true. I could go on with more examples. All I can say is, trying to 'correct' being taken advantage of is not an awful way to live, especially in this game.[/QUOTE]I mean you do you. As you will of course. To each his own.

But I stand by what I said. You exact revenge on enough girls and one day one of them is going to escalate in a way you can't undo. A rape allegation. A dox. Something. You have more to lose than they do in most cases. And they know that. I hope it doesn't happen to you. But you're playing with fire.

I need a new sugarbaby now but the quality is just scary bad. What happened to all the young girls? All these girls on seeking are over 30 lmao. I can smash those girls for free on dating apps. This is soo frustrating.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7167195]That's your experience, it isn't everyone's. I have had 3 long-term arrangements. I haven't been "w /" any of them in years, and we don't text more than yearly. Any of them would take my text or call and have a coffee or lunch w / me, on me. Gratis. At least partly because none of them have SOs. There's shared good times and friendship. I have this b / c that is what I go for, and it's hard to find, even more so now.

There are a few girls who are truly looking for age-gap relationships, or want a dom, or whatever. Those are the ones I want to tap.[/QUOTE]Having a dinner, lunch or drinks is one thing after many years. I have plenty of girls I can do that with as well. But are you actually FCing them? For just the cost of that. You didn't mention that. Just because they're "keeping in touch". Doesn't mean anything. Girls that are babies keep in touch. Because they're hoping you're going to FC them again for cash. That's all. If you had said you were actually FCing them too. Then I'd give you props and cred.

So it just goes back to what Murrican and me are saying. These babies are only fucking us because we are paying them. And there's nothing wrong with that. That's what this game is about.

[QUOTE=Murrican;7167089]I have said this so many times. Amen. It irritates me when guys do things like refer to their SB as their girlfriend. I'm always that dude that flies in and pops their bubble. It's not my style but it's warranted. I always have to remind guys, if you stop paying and she stops coming, she ain't your girlfriend. And sometimes the insanity continues. Like a guy will say I keep giving her money because I want to not because I have to. The level of self delusion sometimes is psychopathic.

I have no problem with what this is. I'm almost 50. I know that 23 year old would rather be banging a 25 year old guy. I'm not stupid. I get it. I accept it. I have no illusions that it's only my money that got this started but now she really likes me for me and me alone. It's embarrassing to even write that. I'm actually a quite good looking guy and do well outside the seeking game. But to think some girl who was in high school a few years ago would do this without money is retarded.[/QUOTE]LOL "The level of self delusion sometimes is psychopathic. " I call it psychopathetic!

Murrican you and me know the game man. Some guys really need to wake up.

No matter what email I use (Gmail, Yahoo, Proton, etc.), I am never able to sign up for this damn site.

It keeps giving me an Invalid Email error. Do I need to use VPN?

Anyone else having success signing up for this site?

I'll just reiterate a wisdom past SDs have shared. Everyone gets the sugar bowl they are looking for. People's personal selections control that. If you go onto the site and treat POTs like escorts, that's who you'll get because they are definitely there. That doesn't mean all girls there are.

If you are aware of a place where a lot of desirable women willingly have great sex w / you without *any* expectation for anything in return (broadly defined. Hourly, or an evening at a show after dinner, up to a lifetime of financial support), you ought to publish that for everyone to partake. Otherwise, I'd just say every male-female relationship has value flowing in both directions. I provide non-tangible benefits to some, which they appreciate and ingratiate me to them; they are a contributing factor to why they'll still be on my contact list.

Like that old joke "would you sleep w / me for a million dollars. ? To spend a few hours w / a naked coed sharing her cross-country runner body w / me is definitely worth a few bucks, and because I am knowledgeable about the set-up and can afford the discretion of a hotel room, no one ever needs to know (her need), because our tryst is something that really floats her boat (as well as mine). I literally got a text yesterday from an old SB (20's) who just could not get out of her mind the oral I gave her 2+ years ago, and wanted a tryst. She's Tuesday. And she is obviously doing it willingly and not ONLY because she's getting a paycheck. That's why big allowances don't work for me, aside from just fiscal prudence.

As another wise guy here wrote (JZLizard), there is a cost for every sex act w / a woman. If you aren't providing funds explicitly, different expectations will develop, and the cost of those you might not be wiling to pay (especially if you have a SO).

Who goes onto a sugar site looking for escorts? Pretty much none of us do. We don't treat the girls like that. But it would be delusional to not technically see the transaction of giving a woman cash for sex. Not being technically prostitution. Because it is. Especially when a girl becomes a career sugarbaby. I see them now as part-time prostitutes. I don't TREAT them that way. But I do SEE them that way. There's a difference. I don't even bother messaging career sugarbabies. I only go for first time sugarbabies. And preferably finding them as a non-pro. Over finding them as a sugarbaby.

Where to find a hot girl that's not needing explicitly an arrangement for sex? I've said it myself many times. Dating sites, social media, public pickup game, bars, clubs, etc. And alot will fuck. Just because they want to fuck. Don't even need to take them for drinks, dinner or anything.

When it comes to having a real civie GF or a wife. Of course there are costs involved. But they are not direct cash payments explicitly/directly for sex. You pay for a GF or wife indirectly. With the cost of courting them, dating them, helping maybe with a bill sometimes, gifts, etc. I've said this many times as well.

I've said all these things and more. No need to school me on the game.

[QUOTE=TopGun9;7168068]No matter what email I use (Gmail, Yahoo, Proton, etc.), I am never able to sign up for this damn site.

It keeps giving me an Invalid Email error. Do I need to use VPN?

Anyone else having success signing up for this site?[/QUOTE]Maybe instead try registering at secretbenefits since they are the same site.