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The stories out of Martin county are still bothering me. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I have a feeling if one county does it and has "good" results, if they haven't already, the surrounding counties are going to follow suit. And with a new politicians in office, they're going to do whatever they can to come in with fanfare. Hopefully BO or GG haven't been targeted, but I for one am worried that my one trip there just happened to be the time they got it all on camera. It makes me ill thinking about it and what it would mean, and a few days ago, for the first time I got a call from the sheriffs department here looking for someone else on totally unrelated stuff, but what if they were just trying to hear my voice so they could match it? Then last night there was a sheriffs car parked in my neighborhood with an officer at a house nearby, but he was parked down the road and walked by my driveway on the way back to his cruiser. What if that was just arranged so he could walk by my house and match my plates?

I'm quite worried, and can't being myself to even think about running this risk again. Please be safe and smarts guys.

[QUOTE=RayDee;4181912]What with all that is going on I did not feel cumfy with the usual places. I felt independent caregiver was the way to go for a while. Sorted out some new ones and got down to one that promised an experience I would never forget. Said texted she was a vegetarian and said I should bring some fruit. Strange but what the hell I have met lots of strange ones before. We continued texting and I got the location in a rural section of Winter Garden. Upon arrival it was plain to see this place was a dump, a real pig sty. I texted I was there and was told I should come to the gate and walk in together. Well, as I get to the gate I see her turn and what a sight. Nothing on but a way too small G-string pulled tight into the crack of her ass. Those thighs, those thighs swishing back and forth and I subconsciously said out loud OMG. With that all she did was grunt and continue walking. That did it for me. This dump is nothing but a pig sty. No way I am going in there. I do not want any of my brothers here to fall for this one so I have included the picture I snapped as she walked away. Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]I love the attachment at the end of the tale.

So I went to BO about a month ago, days before the news about all the stings. Since then, I haven't been able to relax about it. The day I got there, the hostess came out and made sure another guy was parked in the right spot, then asked me where I was parked when I came in.

A few days later, the news broke about Jupiter and I guess a couple spas in Orlando.

Now I'm worried that cameras were in BO the one time I visited.

Earlier this week I got a call on my cell "no caller I'd". It was the local SO, they asked if I was someone by another name and asked if I had property somewhere I don't. I told them no and that it wasn't me, that I didn't know the guy they were looking for, and that was the end. A few minutes later they call back with the same question about a different property, and asked if I knew another guy. After thinking about it, I'm worried that they were just trying to get my voice on tape to match up with any surveillance they have.

Then two nights ago, after getting home around 9 pm I noticed a SO cruiser on the side of the road a few houses down from mine, and noticed the deputy at a house on the other side of my house. He was talking to the homeowners there, but when he left there, he had to walk by my house to get back to his cruiser. I'm worried he was just matching plates with what may be on surveillance.

To say I'm worried is an understatement. To think this has all blown over, I think, I'd wishful thinking. Now I find myself looking up fines and fees associated with solicitation and wondering what the heck I would do if I end up arrested. Should I be looking for a defense attorney already? Is there anything I can do anyway? Doubtful, but these are the thoughts I'm having, all from one trip to BO. It wasn't worth it, it's not worth it, and I wish I had never done it.

Please guys, think things through before you make any decisions regarding this. We all have a lot to lose, and who knows what Law enforcement has in place or has had in place for how long? I'm worried this "sting" covers more than what's been reported already, and even from that, I can't stop worrying about it.

If anyone has any feedback, feel free to PM me if you don't want to post a discussion.

Be safe, think critically.

[QUOTE=Ocalalover1;4183858]So I went to BO about a month ago, days before the news about all the stings. Since then, I haven't been able to relax about it. The day I got there, the hostess came out and made sure another guy was parked in the right spot, then asked me where I was parked when I came in.

A few days later, the news broke about Jupiter and I guess a couple spas in Orlando.

Now I'm worried that cameras were in BO the one time I visited.

Earlier this week I got a call on my cell "no caller I'd". It was the local SO, they asked if I was someone by another name and asked if I had property somewhere I don't. I told them no and that it wasn't me, that I didn't know the guy they were looking for, and that was the end. A few minutes later they call back with the same question about a different property, and asked if I knew another guy. After thinking about it, I'm worried that they were just trying to get my voice on tape to match up with any surveillance they have.

Then two nights ago, after getting home around 9 pm I noticed a SO cruiser on the side of the road a few houses down from mine, and noticed the deputy at a house on the other side of my house. He was talking to the homeowners there, but when he left there, he had to walk by my house to get back to his cruiser. I'm worried he was just matching plates with what may be on surveillance.

To say I'm worried is an understatement. To think this has all blown over, I think, I'd wishful thinking. Now I find myself looking up fines and fees associated with solicitation and wondering what the heck I would do if I end up arrested. Should I be looking for a defense attorney already? Is there anything I can do anyway? Doubtful, but these are the thoughts I'm having, all from one trip to BO. It wasn't worth it, it's not worth it, and I wish I had never done it.

Please guys, think things through before you make any decisions regarding this. We all have a lot to lose, and who knows what Law enforcement has in place or has had in place for how long? I'm worried this "sting" covers more than what's been reported already, and even from that, I can't stop worrying about it.

If anyone has any feedback, feel free to PM me if you don't want to post a discussion.

Be safe, think critically.[/QUOTE]Don't answer any questions don't answer calls deny everything. Was not you. If they have your tag number just say I have a bad back and when it flairs up I get a massage where ever I might be at the time. It is not illegal to get a massage. Go on with your life and deny any and everything admit nothing. You have a right to remain silent use it.

[QUOTE=Ocalalover1;4183858]So I went to BO about a month ago, days before the news about all the stings. Since then, I haven't been able to relax about it. The day I got there, the hostess came out and made sure another guy was parked in the right spot, then asked me where I was parked when I came in.

A few days later, the news broke about Jupiter and I guess a couple spas in Orlando.

Now I'm worried that cameras were in BO the one time I visited.

Earlier this week I got a call on my cell "no caller I'd". It was the local SO, they asked if I was someone by another name and asked if I had property somewhere I don't. I told them no and that it wasn't me, that I didn't know the guy they were looking for, and that was the end. A few minutes later they call back with the same question about a different property, and asked if I knew another guy. After thinking about it, I'm worried that they were just trying to get my voice on tape to match up with any surveillance they have.[/QUOTE]Remain silent. Do not answer any questions. Ask them the charges and tell them that you want an attorney before any questions are asked. Don't deny anything, you're only response should be that you want a lawyer. Period.

Do not say you went to get a massage because of your bad back, do not say a fuck thing. Do not say you did not do anything illegal or wrong. Don't say anything. Nothing. Period.

[QUOTE=Ocalalover1;4183858]So I went to BO about a month ago, days before the news about all the stings. Since then, I haven't been able to relax about it. The day I got there, the hostess came out and made sure another guy was parked in the right spot, then asked me where I was parked when I came in.

A few days later, the news broke about Jupiter and I guess a couple spas in Orlando.

Now I'm worried that cameras were in BO the one time I visited.

Earlier this week I got a call on my cell "no caller I'd". It was the local SO, they asked if I was someone by another name and asked if I had property somewhere I don't. I told them no and that it wasn't me, that I didn't know the guy they were looking for, and that was the end. A few minutes later they call back with the same question about a different property, and asked if I knew another guy. After thinking about it, I'm worried that they were just trying to get my voice on tape to match up with any surveillance they have.

Then two nights ago, after getting home around 9 pm I noticed a SO cruiser on the side of the road a few houses down from mine, and noticed the deputy at a house on the other side of my house. He was talking to the homeowners there, but when he left there, he had to walk by my house to get back to his cruiser. I'm worried he was just matching plates with what may be on surveillance.

To say I'm worried is an understatement. To think this has all blown over, I think, I'd wishful thinking. Now I find myself looking up fines and fees associated with solicitation and wondering what the heck I would do if I end up arrested. Should I be looking for a defense attorney already? Is there anything I can do anyway? Doubtful, but these are the thoughts I'm having, all from one trip to BO. It wasn't worth it, it's not worth it, and I wish I had never done it.

Please guys, think things through before you make any decisions regarding this. We all have a lot to lose, and who knows what Law enforcement has in place or has had in place for how long? I'm worried this "sting" covers more than what's been reported already, and even from that, I can't stop worrying about it.

If anyone has any feedback, feel free to PM me if you don't want to post a discussion.

Be safe, think critically.[/QUOTE]If I would be you I would be very worried. Unfounded paranoia is a sign of mental illness. Please seek help.

[QUOTE=LastMarshall;4183915]Don't answer any questions don't answer calls deny everything. Was not you. If they have your tag number just say I have a bad back and when it flairs up I get a massage where ever I might be at the time. It is not illegal to get a massage. Go on with your life and deny any and everything admit nothing. You have a right to remain silent use it.[/QUOTE]Seems like a lot of expense and trouble to go through to try to get a voice match on one spa client. I think it unlikely that it's the police--though I guess it's barely within the realm of possibility. Voice matching is pretty iffy--especially if one is from a hidden cam and the other is through a couple of telephones. So many things can affect your voice patterns--different electronic devices; sinus trouble; some vocal cord irritation; a cold; just finishing a spicy meal; a very dry room; a very humid room. Again, maybe possible, but unlikely.

[QUOTE=Jokester1;4184172]Seems like a lot of expense and trouble to go through to try to get a voice match on one spa client. I think it unlikely that it's the police--though I guess it's barely within the realm of possibility. Voice matching is pretty iffy--especially if one is from a hidden cam and the other is through a couple of telephones. So many things can affect your voice patterns--different electronic devices; sinus trouble; some vocal cord irritation; a cold; just finishing a spicy meal; a very dry room; a very humid room. Again, maybe possible, but unlikely.[/QUOTE]You're most likely right, and I'm not sure what the poster under you is.

I'm just wondering when I can breathe a sigh of relief, ya know? Can't help but wonder how many other stings like this took place or are taking place now, and just haven't hit the news yet.

This is why I have never parked at mp's or used my real name.

[QUOTE=Ocalalover1;4183858]So I went to BO about a month ago, days before the news about all the stings. Since then, I haven't been able to relax about it. The day I got there, the hostess came out and made sure another guy was parked in the right spot, then asked me where I was parked when I came in.

A few days later, the news broke about Jupiter and I guess a couple spas in Orlando.

Now I'm worried that cameras were in BO the one time I visited.

Earlier this week I got a call on my cell "no caller I'd". It was the local SO, they asked if I was someone by another name and asked if I had property somewhere I don't. I told them no and that it wasn't me, that I didn't know the guy they were looking for, and that was the end. A few minutes later they call back with the same question about a different property, and asked if I knew another guy. After thinking about it, I'm worried that they were just trying to get my voice on tape to match up with any surveillance they have.

Then two nights ago, after getting home around 9 pm I noticed a SO cruiser on the side of the road a few houses down from mine, and noticed the deputy at a house on the other side of my house. He was talking to the homeowners there, but when he left there, he had to walk by my house to get back to his cruiser. I'm worried he was just matching plates with what may be on surveillance.

To say I'm worried is an understatement. To think this has all blown over, I think, I'd wishful thinking. Now I find myself looking up fines and fees associated with solicitation and wondering what the heck I would do if I end up arrested. Should I be looking for a defense attorney already? Is there anything I can do anyway? Doubtful, but these are the thoughts I'm having, all from one trip to BO. It wasn't worth it, it's not worth it, and I wish I had never done it.

Please guys, think things through before you make any decisions regarding this. We all have a lot to lose, and who knows what Law enforcement has in place or has had in place for how long? I'm worried this "sting" covers more than what's been reported already, and even from that, I can't stop worrying about it.

If anyone has any feedback, feel free to PM me if you don't want to post a discussion.

Be safe, think critically.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ocalalover1;4183858]So I went to BO about a month ago, days before the news about all the stings. Since then, I haven't been able to relax about it. The day I got there, the hostess came out and made sure another guy was parked in the right spot, then asked me where I was parked when I came in.

A few days later, the news broke about Jupiter and I guess a couple spas in Orlando.

Now I'm worried that cameras were in BO the one time I visited.

Earlier this week I got a call on my cell "no caller I'd". It was the local SO, they asked if I was someone by another name and asked if I had property somewhere I don't. I told them no and that it wasn't me, that I didn't know the guy they were looking for, and that was the end. A few minutes later they call back with the same question about a different property, and asked if I knew another guy. After thinking about it, I'm worried that they were just trying to get my voice on tape to match up with any surveillance they have.

Then two nights ago, after getting home around 9 pm I noticed a SO cruiser on the side of the road a few houses down from mine, and noticed the deputy at a house on the other side of my house. He was talking to the homeowners there, but when he left there, he had to walk by my house to get back to his cruiser. I'm worried he was just matching plates with what may be on surveillance.

To say I'm worried is an understatement. To think this has all blown over, I think, I'd wishful thinking. Now I find myself looking up fines and fees associated with solicitation and wondering what the heck I would do if I end up arrested. Should I be looking for a defense attorney already? Is there anything I can do anyway? Doubtful, but these are the thoughts I'm having, all from one trip to BO. It wasn't worth it, it's not worth it, and I wish I had never done it.

Please guys, think things through before you make any decisions regarding this. We all have a lot to lose, and who knows what Law enforcement has in place or has had in place for how long? I'm worried this "sting" covers more than what's been reported already, and even from that, I can't stop worrying about it.

If anyone has any feedback, feel free to PM me if you don't want to post a discussion.

Be safe, think critically.[/QUOTE]Think of all the guys that have gone in there in the past few months. I find it really hard to believe they have the time and resources (and nothing better to do) than to track down every client of the spas. Maybe I'm wrong, but what a waste of tax dollars if not. You may be able to check your name on Central Florida Warrants website and see if they are looking for you. Does OCSO even have voice match technology? It's not like they are NCIS or anything. I would relax. Chances are it's nothing, there are plenty of guys down south already fighting it, so at least you will have a template for a defense. If they are getting off (see what I did there), no big deal. If they are pleading out, there you go. No use losing sleep over something you can't control. Again, think about all the man hours wasted on this, just to get a small fine? I don't get it. I still think Bob Kraft's attorney is going to tear them a new one. Good luck with it.

Around 10 this morning I had to drive by GG on the way to an appointment. GG appeared to be closed, no vehicles in the parking lot, front or back. It took awhile but I recalled someone saying they were closed for repairs of some kind and yet not a single trades truck in sight. That gets a hmmmmm.

Then on the flip side I had to go west on 50 bc 408 west bound was a parking lot. Passed by BO. Couldn't tell if it was open but there's a fresh monger report on RMs. But, there were 3 Geico brand painted vans backed up to the front door. Half empty parking lot but they had to park directly in front of the door. Remember Geico is in the strip center across the way. Its just me but I think Geico is sending a message and they in the past have complained about spill over parking. Down in WPB supposedly it was adjacent businesses that complained to authorities that started the whole raid thing going. Just because they are watching you doesn't mean you are paranoid. HA!

[QUOTE=Ocalalover1;4183858]So I went to BO about a month ago, days before the news about all the stings. Since then, I haven't been able to relax about it. The day I got there, the hostess came out and made sure another guy was parked in the right spot, then asked me where I was parked when I came in.

A few days later, the news broke about Jupiter and I guess a couple spas in Orlando.

Now I'm worried that cameras were in BO the one time I visited.

Earlier this week I got a call on my cell "no caller I'd". It was the local SO, they asked if I was someone by another name and asked if I had property somewhere I don't. I told them no and that it wasn't me, that I didn't know the guy they were looking for, and that was the end. A few minutes later they call back with the same question about a different property, and asked if I knew another guy. After thinking about it, I'm worried that they were just trying to get my voice on tape to match up with any surveillance they have.

Then two nights ago, after getting home around 9 pm I noticed a SO cruiser on the side of the road a few houses down from mine, and noticed the deputy at a house on the other side of my house. He was talking to the homeowners there, but when he left there, he had to walk by my house to get back to his cruiser. I'm worried he was just matching plates with what may be on surveillance.

To say I'm worried is an understatement. To think this has all blown over, I think, I'd wishful thinking. Now I find myself looking up fines and fees associated with solicitation and wondering what the heck I would do if I end up arrested. Should I be looking for a defense attorney already? Is there anything I can do anyway? Doubtful, but these are the thoughts I'm having, all from one trip to BO. It wasn't worth it, it's not worth it, and I wish I had never done it.

Please guys, think things through before you make any decisions regarding this. We all have a lot to lose, and who knows what Law enforcement has in place or has had in place for how long? I'm worried this "sting" covers more than what's been reported already, and even from that, I can't stop worrying about it.

If anyone has any feedback, feel free to PM me if you don't want to post a discussion.

Be safe, think critically.[/QUOTE]So far, there has been no indication that BO was part of the recent central / south Florida AMP sting. With that said, I was at BO at about the same time as you. Their parking lot was full so I parked across the street and called them, since it was a weekday afternoon and it wasn't clear to whom the cars belonged to. I called them to ask if they were busy and she said "NO, you come now baby" or some such thing. But I waited for about 25 minutes until three visitors left. Then I went over. During my 45 minute visit, it sounded as if 2 or 3 other visitors arrived and I didn't get a follow up shower as a result. I have not received any calls from any police department to this point. And BO was busy.

Shaggy.

I read an article today where the lead detective said for every guy the tracker down 5 got away. Also they had 3 detectives watching live CCTV at headquarters of all the rooms from 9 am to 11 pm. If a female customer entered the building / room they would stop the feed since they were only targeting men. They said the operation listed $400,000.

[QUOTE=Nightowl21;4184375]Think of all the guys that have gone in there in the past few months. I find it really hard to believe they have the time and resources (and nothing better to do) than to track down every client of the spas. Maybe I'm wrong, but what a waste of tax dollars if not. You may be able to check your name on Central Florida Warrants website and see if they are looking for you. Does OCSO even have voice match technology? It's not like they are NCIS or anything. I would relax. Chances are it's nothing, there are plenty of guys down south already fighting it, so at least you will have a template for a defense. If they are getting off (see what I did there), no big deal. If they are pleading out, there you go. No use losing sleep over something you can't control. Again, think about all the man hours wasted on this, just to get a small fine? I don't get it. I still think Bob Kraft's attorney is going to tear them a new one. Good luck with it.[/QUOTE]

If I get a call from someone not already in my call list. It goes straight to voicemail. If they don't leave a message, or I don't know them, or have planned business with them. They don't get a return call. Period. Unless you're being called to the stand as a witness, you don't have to answer anything. If they have any other questions, they can call your lawyer.

[QUOTE=Ocalalover1;4183858]

Earlier this week I got a call on my cell "no caller I'd". It was the local SO, they asked if I was someone by another name and asked if I had property somewhere I don't. I told them no and that it wasn't me, that I didn't know the guy they were looking for, and that was the end. A few minutes later they call back with the same question about a different property, and asked if I knew another guy. After thinking about it, I'm worried that they were just trying to get my voice on tape to match up with any surveillance they have.

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If LEO has not called you yet, you are not on any list. LEO moves quickly to close loose ends.

[QUOTE=Leon065;4184956]If I get a call from someone not already in my call list. It goes straight to voicemail. If they don't leave a message, or I don't know them, or have planned business with them. They don't get a return call. Period. Unless you're being called to the stand as a witness, you don't have to answer anything. If they have any other questions, they can call your lawyer.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.wptv.com/news/region-n-palm-beach-county/jupiter/jupiter-spa-bust-search-warrants-reveal-how-detectives-planted-hidden-cameras[/URL]

Good read. The police took intel from this site as part of their effort to secure a warrant.

[QUOTE=FreakMe;4184793]I read an article today where the lead detective said for every guy the tracker down 5 got away. Also they had 3 detectives watching live CCTV at headquarters of all the rooms from 9 am to 11 pm. If a female customer entered the building / room they would stop the feed since they were only targeting men. They said the operation listed $400,000.[/QUOTE]Now that is sexist profiling. Sounds like something a defense attorney could bring up.

Anyone here ever heard of or been here? Fairly intriguing.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.orlando.listcrawler.com/post/30312326/[/URL]

So I went to BO and found out all the girls were with ONE client. Snow said he was celebrating his bday or something. She asked if I wanted to wait, and I thought about it, also thought having mamasan herself, and she was willing, if a little bit reluctant (said she wasn't a professional, so it wouldn't be as good as if I waited for Rita) and since I like enthusiastim I said I'd come back later. Whoever you are, happy birthday you lucky asshole LOL.

[QUOTE=DominicanPete;4185182][URL]https://www.wptv.com/news/region-n-palm-beach-county/jupiter/jupiter-spa-bust-search-warrants-reveal-how-detectives-planted-hidden-cameras[/URL]

Good read. The police took intel from this site as part of their effort to secure a warrant.[/QUOTE]Yup. Exactly.

Some dodo birds on this site think everything they say is not being used as intel. Cause it was a dream! Lmfao.

Some misunderstanding here about traffic stops and making statements;.

1) Police DO NOT have to read you Miranda warnings (your rights) unless you are a.) in custody and b.) being questioned. For practical reasons that means whatever you volunteer during a routine traffic stop or other police inquiry can be used against you. Do not say anything if questioned about potential criminal activity. The police know that most people are confused about this and they will exploit it because they know it might be their only bite at the apple.

2) You MUST provide your identity if asked by police. If stopped for a traffic violation after visiting a spa it may just be a coincidence. If the conversation goes to where you are coming from or what you were doing at the place, then assume the stop was a ruse. Politely say you do not wish to make any statements without first contacting your attorney. If they persist then you can ask if you are free to leave. Do not make any statements other than your identity information. Tell the police you are not willing to make any statements and would like to contact an attorney first for your own protection. Do not try to lie or make up any stories, it will go bad for you quickly. By stating you want an attorney and are not willing to make any statements you are telling the truth and not breaking any law.

3) The Miranda warning states in part, ". Anything you say can / will be used against you", so if that is the case, what can you possibly say on your behalf, even if you are completely innocent? Nothing! There is nothing in Miranda that states what you say will be used to exonerate or clear you. This warning is telling you that even if you are innocent the police can use your statements against you. So do not say anything. Get an attorney.

4) If arrested and taken to a police station for booking, do not make any statements other than basic identity, etc. Like the information on your driver license. If police want to give you a chance to tell "your side of the story" tell them you would be willing to but only after first consulting with an attorney. If you are in custody, that means not free to leave, request an attorney. If you are in custody and the police want to ask you questions state you want an attorney. They are not supposed to ask you any questions when in custody and you request an attorney.

Any lawyer or police officer will tell you that if they were questioned as a suspect they would also remain silent an ask for an attorney. If they would do it, why shouldn't you?

Kraft has two heavy hitting lawyers. They will try to suppress evidence first because no evidence = no charges. It's always the weakest link. Kraft is only one of a few really rich people charged here, so expect millions of dollars to be spent on simple misdemeanor charge defense due to the embarrassing nature of the crimes.

The woman who was "trafficked" may turn out to be a willing prostitute that only claimed she was "forced" so as not to be charged as a prostitute. It will be clear under cross-examination later. Forced = trafficked, Willing = smuggled or just a prostitute, but not trafficked.

Many a fat 50 year-old bald man (nothing personal guys, LOL) has married the 25 year-old Russian Internet bride only to get her a visa and a few months later she leaves him. Organizations like Catholic Social Services will coach them to say they were abused and boom, immigration judge grants them entry based on the victimization. If these "victims" were willing prostitutes and found to be lying to cover their assess then the whole trafficking thing will go down the drain.

At least one man was already mis-identified by police and the charges dropped against him, that means even though it seems air tight mistakes were still made.

Why is there no further media coverage or police statements regarding the" armed men" who were transporting the women? They are way more high priority felons than anyone else mentioned so far. Where did they get this information?

Also curious, I searched the posts here from the affected counties and have not seen one entry of anyone being stopped by police for a traffic violation after visiting a massage parlor. None of the men stopped are members here or from any other location? I would expect to see some, at least posted before they were taken down just out of suspicion. If it were going on now in other counties I would also expect someone would have posted about being stopped.

I drove by after reading something about CB reopening soon. If true then I would avoid that place due to recent reports. Stay safe.

[QUOTE=FreakMe;4184793]I read an article today where the lead detective said for every guy the tracker down 5 got away. Also they had 3 detectives watching live CCTV at headquarters of all the rooms from 9 am to 11 pm. If a female customer entered the building / room they would stop the feed since they were only targeting men. They said the operation listed $400,000.[/QUOTE]I suspect it could be argued that by recording only male clients, the police violated the equal justice under the law clause in the Constitution. By only recording male suspects or not recording all clients whether they are male or female while surveilling illegal activity would be biased policing. That might not pass Constitutional muster and probably shouldn't.

Shaggy.

[QUOTE=LongWhiskers;4185610]Some misunderstanding here about traffic stops and making statements;.

1) Police DO NOT have to read you Miranda warnings (your rights) unless you are a.) in custody and b.) being questioned. For practical reasons that means whatever you volunteer during a routine traffic stop or other police inquiry can be used against you. Do not say anything if questioned about potential criminal activity. The police know that most people are confused about this and they will exploit it because they know it might be their only bite at the apple.[/QUOTE]Don't try to make up a story, if they disprove your story in court you are in deep trouble. Don't fall for bait such as "If you tell me everything, you can go home now."

[QUOTE=Horsetrader;4185927]Don't try to make up a story, if they disprove your story in court you are in deep trouble. Don't fall for bait such as "If you tell me everything, you can go home now."[/QUOTE]I agree. Any good lawyer or police officer will tell you that if they were questioned as a suspect, they would also remain silent an ask for an attorney. If they would do it, you should too.

[QUOTE=Jiat2001;4185751]I drove by after reading something about CB reopening soon. If true then I would avoid that place due to recent reports. Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Actually, the truth is that CB was closed down voluntarily to regroup after lesser competitors attacked (called LEO). The licenses are valid and in order (I checked). When it reopens, I will certainly visit as often as my wallet allows me to.

Be safe.

First time in Orlando area and looking to go for a massage. Which one of these places would you recommend and the cost.

[URL]https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/a-crazy-amount-of-money-seattle-police-raid-prostitution-network-in-massage-parlors/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jiat2001;4185751]I drove by after reading something about CB reopening soon. If true then I would avoid that place due to recent reports. Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Electing to avoid patronizing any new establishment housed in the same building as the former Cherry Blossom Spa is probably wise for any of a number of reasons, just as the "re-opening" may, itself, be the only logical next step for the facility.

The certifiably paranoid may come to a "logical" conclusion that this could [B]ONLY[/B] be a sting operation set up by LE as a honey-trap to lure in client "johns" for prosecution. If that were true, I might suggest the well-informed customer seek alternative establishments for anything more than a simple back massage.

On the other hand, the obliviously optimistic may observe that the entire facility is set up for showers and tiny massage rooms, making any other use of the building a costly endeavor to totally gut / remodel everything from wall-to-wall. The least-cost tenant for a landlord to attract (one who can use the building "as-is") is going to be another spa / massage type place. However, with the watchful eye of the Health Department, not to mention LE, leaning heavily on the entire operation, a logical assumption would be that any spa / massage type place going into that particular address is most likely going to be [B]REQUIRED[/B] to keep to the straight-and-narrow legitimate business model. If [U][i]THAT[/i][/U] were true, I might STILL suggest that the well informed customer seek alternative establishments for anything more than a simple back massage!

Either way, I'm not inclined to go there.

Interestingly, a similar situation has popped up in Tampa on Kennedy Blvd. Some readers here will recall a local Tampa "news" reporter doing an expose' on all the spas on Kennedy Blvd and how they are "obviously" dens of prostitution. From that grew a local church-bourne morality group of self-righteous do-gooders seeking to "Clean Up Kennedy" (that's even the name of their FB page), who actually picketed outside one of the more popular and well-reviewed AMPs (kinda like CB used to be). The building turned out to be owned by some former city-connected guy, so this group also tried to shame the landlord into taking actions counter to his personal business interests ([I]i.e. to evict a paying tenant and, as a result, go without income while maintaining the expense of property ownership[/I]). The business actually elected to leave on their own, due to the public pressure of picketers, etc. , and the building was vacant for some time (kinda like CB used to be). Recently, a new spa / massage type place has opened in the same building (kinda like CB), ostensibly for all the same logical business reasons described above regarding use of a facility so equipped. I think the new sign out front of this Tampa place says something like "Foot Massage", but it's clearly an Asian Massage Parlor. That said, for all the same reasons also cited above, many potential clients may be of the belief that it's either some sort of expensive LE sting, or (more likely if you ask me) the establishment will be on the straight-and-narrow legitimate business model and I doubt they'll be getting much business from well-read, well informed mongers in the Tampa area!

[QUOTE=James185;4186251][URL]https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/a-crazy-amount-of-money-seattle-police-raid-prostitution-network-in-massage-parlors/[/URL][/QUOTE]That is the regular way that they re supposed to do it. Getting a sneak and peek is skipping that step. I have a feeling their warrant will be thrown out. Other, less intrusive means available.

[QUOTE=DominicanPete;4185182][URL]https://www.wptv.com/news/region-n-palm-beach-county/jupiter/jupiter-spa-bust-search-warrants-reveal-how-detectives-planted-hidden-cameras[/URL]

Good read. The police took intel from this site as part of their effort to secure a warrant.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Here's the quote below from the article where they mention this site. How dare they call us "illicit", A2 should sue them for libel, LOL.

[QUOTE]The warrants also reveal detectives relied on two illicit massage parlor locator websites for leads: RubMaps.com and USASexGuide.nl. Lead investigator Andrew Sharp included screenshots from the site, with reviews specifically about rub and tugs at Orchids of Asia.[/QUOTE]

Since we can't search on 3 letter words can someone please share or PM me insight on Mia.

Thanks in advance.

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[QUOTE=LongWhiskers;4186038]I agree. Any good lawyer or police officer will tell you that if they were questioned as a suspect, they would also remain silent an ask for an attorney. If they would do it, you should too.[/QUOTE]This 46 minutes video by an attorney and cop is a must watch for anyone who has any questions about what to do if a police officer attempts to ask you anything. The answer is "say nothing". Shut up and ask for a lawyer. You can only make things worse for yourself by talking. Never better. It's hard to do because you think it will make you look guilty but they already think you are guilty. That's why they are talking to you.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrBill469;4186629]Electing to avoid patronizing any new establishment housed in the same building as the former Cherry Blossom Spa is probably wise for any of a number of reasons, just as the "re-opening" may, itself, be the only logical next step for the facility.

The certifiably paranoid may come to a "logical" conclusion that this could [B]ONLY[/B] be a sting operation set up by LE as a honey-trap to lure in client "johns" for prosecution. If that were true, I might suggest the well-informed customer seek alternative establishments for anything more than a simple back massage.

On the other hand, the obliviously optimistic may observe that the entire facility is set up for showers and tiny massage rooms, making any other use of the building a costly endeavor to totally gut / remodel everything from wall-to-wall. The least-cost tenant for a landlord to attract (one who can use the building "as-is") is going to be another spa / massage type place. However, with the watchful eye of the Health Department, not to mention LE, leaning heavily on the entire operation, a logical assumption would be that any spa / massage type place going into that particular address is most likely going to be [B]REQUIRED[/B] to keep to the straight-and-narrow legitimate business model. If [U][i]THAT[/i][/U] were true, I might STILL suggest that the well informed customer seek alternative establishments for anything more than a simple back massage!

Either way, I'm not inclined to go there.

Interestingly, a similar situation has popped up in Tampa on Kennedy Blvd. Some readers here will recall a local Tampa "news" reporter doing an expose' on all the spas on Kennedy Blvd and how they are "obviously" dens of prostitution. From that grew a local church-bourne morality group of self-righteous do-gooders seeking to "Clean Up Kennedy" (that's even the name of their FB page), who actually picketed outside one of the more popular and well-reviewed AMPs (kinda like CB used to be). The building turned out to be owned by some former city-connected guy, so this group also tried to shame the landlord into taking actions counter to his personal business interests ([I]i.e. to evict a paying tenant and, as a result, go without income while maintaining the expense of property ownership[/I]). The business actually elected to leave on their own, due to the public pressure of picketers, etc. , and the building was vacant for some time (kinda like CB used to be). Recently, a new spa / massage type place has opened in the same building (kinda like CB), ostensibly for all the same logical business reasons described above regarding use of a facility so equipped. I think the new sign out front of this Tampa place says something like "Foot Massage", but it's clearly an Asian Massage Parlor. That said, for all the same reasons also cited above, many potential clients may be of the belief that it's either some sort of expensive LE sting, or (more likely if you ask me) the establishment will be on the straight-and-narrow legitimate business model and I doubt they'll be getting much business from well-read, well informed mongers in the Tampa area![/QUOTE]I have a different opinion. I think CB will be better than ever. The neighbors were never the problem, it was the competitors trying to get the business closed. I think that CB will have talented professionals. I think LEO is getting tired of doing the competitor's dirty work by having to investigate false rumors of illegal activities (I. E. Human trafficking, etc.).

When CB opens, I will definitely visit and post my experiences here. I am, by nature, careful, and I have no problem visiting a super premium establishment like CB. As always, be safe.

I agree with many of the things Mr. Bill pointed out it doesn't really matter if the neighbors were the problem or even if the conpetition is the one who did the calls because they could do it again and guess what, LEO will have to investigate again, I've been to CB before unfortunately not as many times as I would've hoped before they closed as it was too far from me at the time. I don't know what you mean by talented professionals because far as I know the majority didn't go ther for a massage and if they did sadly it wasnt what one would expect but I never did mind that part, and what you said about police investigating illegal activity, this is the massage section of the forums in a website that discusses what? I am sure that all of us try to be safe and sometimes go the extra mile there specially if one has a family or a good job they'd like to keep but then again I honestly think that the mongers who got busted in Jupiter also thought the same thing.

[QUOTE=Gentleman100;4187556]I have a different opinion. I think CB will be better than ever. The neighbors were never the problem, it was the competitors trying to get the business closed. I think that CB will have talented professionals. I think LEO is getting tired of doing the competitor's dirty work by having to investigate false rumors of illegal activities (I. E. Human trafficking, etc.).

When CB opens, I will definitely visit and post my experiences here. I am, by nature, careful, and I have no problem visiting a super premium establishment like CB. As always, be safe.[/QUOTE]

Hi,

If anyone has info on Amanda from GG, could you please message me. I saw hsr in December before her vacation. Sbe gave a really great massage and had a great personality to match. I was hoping to see her again next month on my visit back, but GG is now closed according to the forum posts.

Thanks for any help.

Luxsa is showing closed on rubmaps. But they do that from time to time because someone won't know how to get in. Can anyone confirm if they've been to Luxsa recently?

[QUOTE=KalaFina;4187668]I agree with many of the things Mr. Bill pointed out it doesn't really matter if the neighbors were the problem or even if the conpetition is the one who did the calls because they could do it again and guess what, LEO will have to investigate again, I've been to CB before unfortunately not as many times as I would've hoped before they closed as it was too far from me at the time. I don't know what you mean by talented professionals because far as I know the majority didn't go ther for a massage and if they did sadly it wasnt what one would expect but I never did mind that part, and what you said about police investigating illegal activity, this is the massage section of the forums in a website that discusses what? I am sure that all of us try to be safe and sometimes go the extra mile there specially if one has a family or a good job they'd like to keep but then again I honestly think that the mongers who got busted in Jupiter also thought the same thing.[/QUOTE]Many, like me, choose not to post specifics about our experiences. When you get to Command Master Chief senior member status, like me, we have posted enough that we do not need to explain vagueness in posts. It is a public forum, so I post at a higher level (no details). Read between the lines and come to your own conclusion.

Let's all play safe out there.

[QUOTE=KoolZero;4187962]Hi,

If anyone has info on Amanda from GG, could you please message me. I saw hsr in December before her vacation. Sbe gave a really great massage and had a great personality to match. I was hoping to see her again next month on my visit back, but GG is now closed according to the forum posts.

Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]If it's okay, I'd like to get anything on the whereabouts of Amanda, as well.

I stop by there today, place was dead. Just one other guy and he was driving a company vehicle which I thought was crazy. Watch them park right out front and walk in while I was talking with snow getting ready to leave. This is my fourth time there since the bust down south and everything's been pretty much the same. I got a girl name Rita today. Out of all my times being there this was my least favorite girl. She had rules like at FIV was not allowed another trivial things that is a normal at this place.

Her English was really good, at the end of average appointment. She wanted to help me dress. Somebody texted me something as my phone lit up and she freaked out. She wanted me to handover the phone to her, she wanted to look for videos. Wanted to go through my pictures. I just said you're not looking at my phone, nothing happened but she was freaked out about it. I told Snow when I left that I was not happy And she replied back don't worry new girl next week, OK baby.