Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3857661][B]Mr. Dangerfield's Business Tips for Hookers. Volume 1.[/B]

Put each advice piece up with a it up with a little pre-tip narrative. Something like:

[I]Today we examine tools used for effective monger fishing. Let's examine one of those tools, the "[u]phone[/u]". In the old days people spoke on it, but today, they lose it, don't charge it, turn off the ringer, stick it up their ass or otherwise mishandle this crucial part of the hooker experience. Now for the tip.[/I]

[HIGHLIGHT]{Insert thing that will never be read by hookers here.}[/HIGHLIGHT][/QUOTE]That's funny. Not kissing a $$, but I actually laughed out loud reading this. Touché.

[B]Mr. Dangerfield's Business Tips for Hookers. Volume 1.[/B]

WHEN CAN A PROVIDER SEND A UNSOLICITED TEXT?

[B]First - Ask each monger if it is ok to text, when you might text, subject matter, and [u]never[/u] go against his wishes.[/B]

Next, [U]if it is OK to text[/U] - let's examine three different texts.

[I][u]Hey Sweetie, I am a little lonely tonight and running a special, HMU.[/u][/I]

[I] First, a text message that you sent out to twenty other guys doesn't impress me. Please call me by my name. For what I pay you, you could have the business sense to write down my name and remember it. Please, tell me who you are. I know better than to keep a contact list of my providers. If I want your number, I'll probably look it up on USA. If you don't tell me who you are, I may not respond because I am afraid to respond to numbers that I don't recognize.[/I]

[I][u]Hey - my pussy is hot for your big dick ... $100 special today and tomorrow.[/u][/I]

[I] Unless I told you that it is okay - you should not text something that I could never explain away to my 14 year old son ...[/I]

[I][u]Hi Rod. This is Susie. I need to talk very soon.
Call or text me. Please.[/u][/I]

[I] A little strong ... but this can be explained as a friend with problems at home[/I]

[B][red] Unsolicited texts should only be sent to certain individual mongers. If in doubt, never send an unsolicited text. [/red][/B]

[QUOTE=ThatGuy011;3861454]Re: Street girl;.

If she was on the street, you could have gotten her for $20. If not, that's on you.

And also regarding the 'economy class' statement, I didn't know paying more for the same girls was something to brag about. Paying for sex only becomes something to brag about when you've spent thousands on a centerfold. If you paid 150 for an average girl, and someone else 20 for the same, well. Not so much.[/QUOTE]I wasn't bragging. You missed my point. My point was, that if you want to take advantage of a desperate chick for 20 bucks, then you're a piece of shit.

Get it that time?

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3863521]I wasn't bragging. You missed my point. My point was, that if you want to take advantage of a desperate chick for 20 bucks, then you're a piece of shit.

Get it that time?[/QUOTE]No, your point was literally saying you spend first class, and I spend economy. As if that's an insult. And the reason I know you intended it that way, which is why you mentioned H addicts. You know, as if any girl incuding the one pictured isn't one. I promise, I would have gotten her for $20, and she sure would have been gobbling my cock going on about how she gets way more normally. Their problem, not mine. And maybe someone like you won't get it for that if you wanted. These girls aren't completely stupid.

And if you want to go there, that makes everyone on here a piece of shit, including yourself. Everyone in pay for play is taking advantage of someone else. Are you fooling with girls that are beyond your level of attractiveness? Yeah? Then you're taking advantage of her desperation to do it. You better believe all these girls are dope heads. The ones that aren't heroin skeletons yet, just simply haven't gotten to that point yet. You see, the difference in giving a girl $20 versus $140, is with $20 they get one hit, with your $140 they get multiple hits, cigs, beer, whatever. At the end of the day that money is going to go to nonsense, and she'll have zero to show for it the next day, whether it's $20 or $200.

Secondly even if you're going to go with this explanation, do you really believe these girls are good people? That they don't take advantage of fool men, as much as they are taken advantage of? These girls are just as big of pieces of shit, or worse than the men.

Also, what these girls are worth is also dependent on your experience, and your self. The providers that are 20-30 and good-looking are physically in my dating pool by looks. These are normal girls to people such as me, I'm not paying for something out of my league, therefore the value is lower for me. Also, I have a woman, I'm back because during and post pregnancy she gained weight, and put it on horribly. She didn't get a thick body that I could work with, it's like it all went to the worst places, and that's it. So, I do what I what I do. She still wants to do stuff. (which I have been avoiding literally since I fucked Kim) point is, I can still get it for free, and that also drives the value down. Cheating makes me a piece of shit, not spending $20 on a girl that will accept $20 from me, but. I'm not a gross old man with a wife who won't do anything for me. When this is out of my system, I'll get my check-ups, and get back to free sex and BJ's.

But I'll never feel bad about getting girls as cheap as possible. Way back when I lived in a hotbed of activity, and single before all the heroin zombies, I got FS for under 10 from 19-25 year olds. But again, they were in my level anyway. Including girls I went to school with that I had NO idea about. I mean these girls would knock on my door, literally after another one left. I'd tell them 'so-and-so just left, I don't need anything' and they'd say "But I'm here, I'll do whatever, for whatever you think is fair" I'd tell them, "I'll give you this $7 let's do it" and since I previously came, the sessions would be looong. And this was before all the zombies. I don't feel bad. I used to be able to fuck Kim for free by giving her a HHR massage by the time she left. I have a current AMP I get FS from and while I don't see freebies in the future, I pay AFTER and the tip gets smaller, and smaller. "Mor nex time okaaaay. ?" nope not happening. Probably less. If a 'good looking' SW says "I normally get $80 for this, while she's taking care of me for $20, then that's on her. She could make the choice to wait on that guy that will give her $80. It's not going to be me. Maybe if I partake when I really have no choice, but for now, outside of AMP's nobody is worth more than pocket change. And as I stated before, I will break a 20 in order to go with a 10 or 15 if it's at all possible.

Everyone's current situations dictate what they are willing to pay, and unless you're a true fool, you're not paying these girls any more than you REALLY have to. I don't believe many will spend more to stroke their ego, or help out the girl. If you're paying more, you probably have to, for one reason or the other.

And anyone else, don't ask about the AMP. I've already done a board a huge one with Kim, and that's probably why she's gone. I won't answer.

Whats the big deal! We pay them to fuck them period. The thing that pisses me off the most are the Mongers that pay them large amounts for average and below average providers. By doing that we are driving the prices up. Its bullshit. Street girls and most of the providers on here are on H or ice. The lower we go the better. Why should I hand out 160 to 200 for 1 provider when I can get 3 to 4 for that. When you over pay its hurting us. I stay in the lower range for that reason. If I'm a piece of shit I don't care. Alot of these girls won't send nude pics I understand that to a point. Then don't ask me for mine to verify me or if I'm good looking enough for you to fuck me cause you think your pretty. Its all in the preformance and satisfying me. Lenny67460.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3863521]I wasn't bragging. You missed my point. My point was, that if you want to take advantage of a desperate chick for 20 bucks, then you're a piece of shit.

Get it that time?[/QUOTE]I don't like the princesses that can talk guys into paying them hundreds of dollars but it's a market. If both players are adults and she's accepting 20 bucks then there is no piece of shit in my opinion.

Of course you're welcomed to yours and thanks for doing this on the fight thread but I don't agree with you at all on that.

A2.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3864460]I don't like the princesses that can talk guys into paying them hundreds of dollars but it's a market. If both players are adults and she's accepting 20 bucks then there is no piece of shit in my opinion.

Of course you're welcomed to yours and thanks for doing this on the fight thread but I don't agree with you at all on that.

A2.[/QUOTE]For me, this isn't about the price of pussy, since I don't give a shit if someone gets it for free, or for whatever they want to pay. My concern is I'm sensing an attitude of exploitation, and that there's an effort here to take advantage of someone down on their luck and in a shitty life situation. Getting a girl needing a fix to suck your dick for 10 bucks smacks of a case where there isn't parity for negotiation.

Heck, I think I read a post once (maybe not here) where some guy worked in a homeless shelter just because he could get extra cheap pussy. I think that's exploitative and predatory behavior.

Anyway, that's my point. Not trying to bump the price of pussy or anything.

I think spending a fair amount of time this year in European countries (where it's legal) may have soured me on the US scene.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3864476]For me, this really isn't about the price of pussy, since I don't really give a shit if someone gets it for free, or for whatever they want to pay. My issue is I'm sensing an attitude of exploitation, and that there's an effort here to take advantage of someone down on their luck and in a shitty life situation. Getting a girl needing a fix to suck your dick for 10 bucks smacks of a situation where there isn't parity for negotiation.

Heck, I think I read a post once (maybe not here) where some guy worked in a homeless shelter just because he could get really cheap pussy. I think that's exploitative and predatory behavior.

Anyway, that's my point. Not trying to bump the price of pussy or anything.

I think spending a fair amount of time this year in European countries where it's legal has soured me on the US scene.[/QUOTE]I had a girl BBBJCIM streetwalker that only wanted 30. She was cute and I could tell she needed money bad. She was good and I felt bad giving less than 50-60. She was nice. If they deserve a little extra, it's still way cheaper than some of those on here that aren't worth what they charge. We all have to decide value for ourselves. I used to feel like I was exploiting these girls, but this is what a lot choose to do rather than be mainstream. I know for some they don't have a choice, so again those who treat me better get better.

Reminds me of a joke where a group of men were talking about "what would you do for a million dollars?" One guy pipes up and blurts out guys, I'd suck a dick for a million bucks whereas one of his friends asks if he'd suck one for ten bucks to which he answers HELL NO! His buddy reminds him that he is already classified as a cock sucker, the only thing left is haggling on the price.

We all take advantage of each other. Whoever is your ATF, no matter how cool you think you are, wouldn't fuck you for free so you hold an advantage over her that permits that to happen. You have money that they want for drugs, booze, pimps, food, whatever it is that they need money for. We exploit them for pussy. The cost of the pussy is irrelevant.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3864476]For me, this isn't about the price of pussy, since I don't give a shit if someone gets it for free, or for whatever they want to pay. My concern is I'm sensing an attitude of exploitation, and that there's an effort here to take advantage of someone down on their luck and in a shitty life situation. Getting a girl needing a fix to suck your dick for 10 bucks smacks of a case where there isn't parity for negotiation.

Heck, I think I read a post once (maybe not here) where some guy worked in a homeless shelter just because he could get extra cheap pussy. I think that's exploitative and predatory behavior.

Anyway, that's my point. Not trying to bump the price of pussy or anything.

I think spending a fair amount of time this year in European countries (where it's legal) may have soured me on the US scene.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3864476]For me, this isn't about the price of pussy, since I don't give a shit if someone gets it for free, or for whatever they want to pay. My concern is I'm sensing an attitude of exploitation, and that there's an effort here to take advantage of someone down on their luck and in a shitty life situation. Getting a girl needing a fix to suck your dick for 10 bucks smacks of a case where there isn't parity for negotiation.

Heck, I think I read a post once (maybe not here) where some guy worked in a homeless shelter just because he could get extra cheap pussy. I think that's exploitative and predatory behavior.

Anyway, that's my point. Not trying to bump the price of pussy or anything.

I think spending a fair amount of time this year in European countries (where it's legal) may have soured me on the US scene.[/QUOTE]Here's the thing, as I said, all of these girls are doing it to get a fix. And again, whether she gets 20 or 200, that money will be spent on dope. She is not going to go get cleaned up, get an outfit, pay a fine, get a room, or even get an actual meal with that money, you know, something useful for a person that doesn't have anything. She is going to get 200 in dope, or buy a Mt. Dew, then the rest of the 198.35 in dope.

[QUOTE=SkirtChacer;3864573]
We all take advantage of each other. Whoever is your ATF, no matter how cool you think you are, wouldn't fuck you for free so you hold an advantage over her that permits that to happen. You have money that they want for drugs, booze, pimps, food, whatever it is that they need money for. We exploit them for pussy. The cost of the pussy is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]A point that I said as well.

[QUOTE=Jeh123;3864489]I had a girl BBBJCIM streetwalker that only wanted 30. She was cute and I could tell she needed money bad. She was good and I felt bad giving less than 50-60. She was nice. If they deserve a little extra, it's still way cheaper than some of those on here that aren't worth what they charge. We all have to decide value for ourselves. I used to feel like I was exploiting these girls, but this is what a lot choose to do rather than be mainstream. I know for some they don't have a choice, so again those who treat me better get better.[/QUOTE]Don't block me, A2.

I spent one half of my income to get it once every 2 weeks. Worked out to a couple grand a pop. Plus all the other crap that went with it. If a person is a high wave earner, this activity is cheap. If I hire someone to clean my house or now my grass, is it wrong to hire other services?

[blue]If you use the "m" word again I may have to.

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=Admin2;3864460]I don't like the princesses that can talk guys into paying them hundreds of dollars but it's a market. If both players are adults and she's accepting 20 bucks then there is no piece of shit in my opinion.

Of course you're welcomed to yours and thanks for doing this on the fight thread but I don't agree with you at all on that.

A2.[/QUOTE]I agree. It's nothing more than paying for services rendered.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3863521]I wasn't bragging. You missed my point. My point was, that if you want to take advantage of a desperate chick for 20 bucks, then you're a piece of shit.

Get it that time?[/QUOTE]Roger (bend) over calling another guy on here a piece of shit cause he get the girls to give up the pussy cheap. SHOCKER! Smh.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy011;3863846]No, your point was literally saying you spend first class, and I spend economy. As if that's an insult. And the reason I know you intended it that way, which is why you mentioned H addicts. You know, as if any girl incuding the one pictured isn't one. I promise, I would have gotten her for $20, and she sure would have been gobbling my cock going on about how she gets way more normally. Their problem, not mine. And maybe someone like you won't get it for that if you wanted. These girls aren't completely stupid.

And if you want to go there, that makes everyone on here a piece of shit, including yourself. Everyone in pay for play is taking advantage of someone else. Are you fooling with girls that are beyond your level of attractiveness? Yeah? Then you're taking advantage of her desperation to do it. You better believe all these girls are dope heads. The ones that aren't heroin skeletons yet, just simply haven't gotten to that point yet. You see, the difference in giving a girl $20 versus $140, is with $20 they get one hit, with your $140 they get multiple hits, cigs, beer, whatever. At the end of the day that money is going to go to nonsense, and she'll have zero to show for it the next day, whether it's $20 or $200.

Secondly even if you're going to go with this explanation, do you really believe these girls are good people? That they don't take advantage of fool men, as much as they are taken advantage of? These girls are just as big of pieces of shit, or worse than the men.

Also, what these girls are worth is also dependent on your experience, and your self. The providers that are 20-30 and good-looking are physically in my dating pool by looks. These are normal girls to people such as me, I'm not paying for something out of my league, therefore the value is lower for me. Also, I have a woman, I'm back because during and post pregnancy she gained weight, and put it on horribly. She didn't get a thick body that I could work with, it's like it all went to the worst places, and that's it. So, I do what I what I do. She still wants to do stuff. (which I have been avoiding literally since I fucked Kim) point is, I can still get it for free, and that also drives the value down. Cheating makes me a piece of shit, not spending $20 on a girl that will accept $20 from me, but. I'm not a gross old man with a wife who won't do anything for me. When this is out of my system, I'll get my check-ups, and get back to free sex and BJ's.

But I'll never feel bad about getting girls as cheap as possible. Way back when I lived in a hotbed of activity, and single before all the heroin zombies, I got FS for under 10 from 19-25 year olds. But again, they were in my level anyway. Including girls I went to school with that I had NO idea about. I mean these girls would knock on my door, literally after another one left. I'd tell them 'so-and-so just left, I don't need anything' and they'd say "But I'm here, I'll do whatever, for whatever you think is fair" I'd tell them, "I'll give you this $7 let's do it" and since I previously came, the sessions would be looong. And this was before all the zombies. I don't feel bad. I used to be able to fuck Kim for free by giving her a HHR massage by the time she left. I have a current AMP I get FS from and while I don't see freebies in the future, I pay AFTER and the tip gets smaller, and smaller. "Mor nex time okaaaay. ?" nope not happening. Probably less. If a 'good looking' SW says "I normally get $80 for this, while she's taking care of me for $20, then that's on her. She could make the choice to wait on that guy that will give her $80. It's not going to be me. Maybe if I partake when I really have no choice, but for now, outside of AMP's nobody is worth more than pocket change. And as I stated before, I will break a 20 in order to go with a 10 or 15 if it's at all possible.

Everyone's current situations dictate what they are willing to pay, and unless you're a true fool, you're not paying these girls any more than you REALLY have to. I don't believe many will spend more to stroke their ego, or help out the girl. If you're paying more, you probably have to, for one reason or the other.

And anyone else, don't ask about the AMP. I've already done a board a huge one with Kim, and that's probably why she's gone. I won't answer.[/QUOTE]I LOVE THIS GUY, well said my dude, and I agree with you 100%. DON'T PAY MORE if you don't have to. That simple!

[QUOTE=Lenny6746;3864378]Whats the big deal! We pay them to fuck them period. The thing that pisses me off the most are the Mongers that pay them large amounts for average and below average providers. By doing that we are driving the prices up. Its bullshit. Street girls and most of the providers on here are on H or ice. The lower we go the better. Why should I hand out 160 to 200 for 1 provider when I can get 3 to 4 for that. When you over pay its hurting us. I stay in the lower range for that reason. If I'm a piece of shit I don't care. Alot of these girls won't send nude pics I understand that to a point. Then don't ask me for mine to verify me or if I'm good looking enough for you to fuck me cause you think your pretty. Its all in the preformance and satisfying me. Lenny67460.[/QUOTE]I'm with you lenny, and I agree. I will be a piece of shit with you, and if they not sending photos I'm not. I'm walking way and on to the next 1.