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Libertas, thanks for the info. I think I have everything needed to make SA work so I will eventually give it a try. For now I am in the early stages of planning a trip to Thailand. Pattaya looks like heaven to this asian starved monger.

[QUOTE=Libertas;3907389]Wolverines. There is quite a bit of that, but there's also a lot of women college age or not that are open to all of it. I've said this before and I'll say it again. SA is a great playground if you have the time, the means, the personality, and the lifestyle that allows it. You're not going to be taking this girls around to the back alley in your car. You'll have to provide for the room or be open to taking them back to your place or go to theirs (if they're open to that). There's usually a courting process, and those that skip that are usually providers or strippers. I've use SA and bought a gal a trip to Singapore before. Cost me 800 bucks, but for 11 days she took care of me quite well and made a trip that I was already going to enjoy an even better experience. It's like here though, you still have to weed out the junk profiles and the unrealistic women to find the ones that work out. You're always welcome to PM me if you have questions.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolverines;3908211]Libertas, thanks for the info. I think I have everything needed to make SA work so I will eventually give it a try. For now I am in the early stages of planning a trip to Thailand. Pattaya looks like heaven to this asian starved monger.[/QUOTE]Knew a guy who went there. It will ruin you for U.S. girls. The attitude of pleasing men is 100 x better. I've seen a couple thai girls in Vegas before and they look amazing and know how to make a man happy.

Have fun! I'm jealous!

[QUOTE=Monger01;3908242]Knew a guy who went there. It will ruin you for U.S. girls. The attitude of pleasing men is 100 x better. I've seen a couple thai girls in Vegas before and they look amazing and know how to make a man happy.

Have fun! I'm jealous![/QUOTE]SA takes a bit of patience, a fair bit of time and effort, and money (emphasis on the last two). If you have the personality and means, the results can be pretty phenomenal, especially if you find somebody that you "click" with.

[QUOTE]Welcome back Monger. I was very close to trying SA. But I was turned off by all the girls asking for help paying for college and rent and then stating they are not open to a sexual relationship.[/QUOTE]I think a vast vast majority are expecting / aiming for a sexual relationship. But there's probably many Heeding sexual relations off the bat if there's a huge difference in age & looks. I'm not a bad looking guy, and I'm not too old, and I can have some successes at regular dating sites. But for gals in their 20's and / or Real pretty, that's obviously much harder to cum by. Enter in SA.

From my experience, there's Various aims. Most gals think Their way is THE way. In order of popularity:

1. Subscription pay-to-play, but not called that. Usually a date or two, sometimes three at first, and then they want something set up where you'll have a "subscription" of sorts. Pay me $X for my rent / bills / etc, and we'll see each other why times a month. YMMV on the setup situation, but pretty much, you're Jumping Into what a sugar daddy would be, BEFORE you'd even establish any relationship between the two, besides maybe two dates. Not a big fan of this, but if she's WOW to me, yeah, I'd be game. My guess is if she's Not attracted at all to said guy, she won't put out until the subscription situation is established. For me, it was fooling around on date #1 or #2, with usually a "yeah, we'll set something up if we click. " This is the most popular by far.

2 t. Providers. No subscription, just pay to hook up. Could go to subscription, but that's not their aim. Instead of BP, they use this site.

2 t. Looking to be FWB or casually Date (or more), and includes married-but-looking gals. About as often as one being a straight-up provider who mine as well be on BP. Basically what you could do on any dating site or any Adult Dating site. There's no pay-to-play, but this drives them in as they like a guy with $$, and to be taken out to fancy places. This includes the Prettier gals who are usually subscription, but where they'd be willing instead to go this route to Casually see a guy instead if she thinks he's cute too. But he'd be the guy she sees who has $$ and can get concert tickets, buy shots for she and her friends no problem (usually for gals in early 20's; doesn't take much to impress if you're just the "older guy" she's seeing). Or not-great-looking gals who just want to date and feel wanted. Or married-and-looking who just like guys with some $$ and "higher class". So you have a lot of variation in this Dept.

All in all, no matter who you are as a guy, you have to weed thru stuff you're not privy to. Same as the dating scene, I guess. Just a different variation of an interesting kind.

You are not wrong. I have been to China a handful of times so I have been ruined for awhile.

[QUOTE=Monger01;3908242]Knew a guy who went there. It will ruin you for U.S. girls. The attitude of pleasing men is 100 x better. I've seen a couple thai girls in Vegas before and they look amazing and know how to make a man happy.

Have fun! I'm jealous![/QUOTE]

Trying to get in contact with my old contact for a few generic V pills but no message after 4 days, looking to see if anyone has some to spare to sell.

Can PM.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Benz1;3897838]I met a Dom girl a few years ago. Lost contact, reconnected on FB, now she's back as a UTR. With a safe incall

Tall, thin MILF, highly skilled Dom. She is the real deal.
120hhr, 140hr
Frenz of Benz can pm me for digits and password.[/QUOTE]She has a clean safe incall today from 10 am to 2 pm.
She doesn't just specialize in Dom, she has many skills and is a pretty good massuse too.
She can follow direction well. Just let her know which way you want her to spin your date.
Don't forget to bring your safe word.

It looks like uncle LEO up north in TC are placing ads. Be careful out there.

Check out LifeExplorer's post in Northern Michigan Forum today.

[QUOTE=Khalst89;3916526]It looks like uncle LEO up north in TC are placing ads. Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]

As we all know the sex laws in the is country are very archaic and allow for a variety of abuses for the provider and the customer.

Having lived in Europe for many years and seeing how prostitution is handled and monitored and then coming back to the US, well needless to say it is idiotic.

I have never been to a "prostitution box" in Switzerland but I have been in other "brothels" in other countries.

The women are taken care of and when you read this article they are also paying and supporting their countries by paying taxes etc.

I am not sure how that happens here in the US but the faster the better.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/08/24/sex-boxes-make-legal-prostitution-safe-zurich-switzerland-europe/1083444002/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3916932]Check out LifeExplorer's post in Northern Michigan Forum today.[/QUOTE]Anyone have details of exactly how they went about this? News says investigation went on from February to June and some violent behavior with the girls was observed. Seems like they could have been recording sessions where providers worked with the cops. Does not seem like a simple place and ad and nab who shows up kind of deal. Think it may be good to stay away from providers for a couple months who spent time in the Kent County Hilton? Reports in another thread about a provider that was picked up and back out within days makes me wonder what kind of deal may have been struck.

[QUOTE=TokyoDawson;3918847]Anyone have details of exactly how they went about this? News says investigation went on from February to June and some violent behavior with the girls was observed. Seems like they could have been recording sessions where providers worked with the cops. Does not seem like a simple place and ad and nab who shows up kind of deal. Think it may be good to stay away from providers for a couple months who spent time in the Kent County Hilton? Reports in another thread about a provider that was picked up and back out within days makes me wonder what kind of deal may have been struck.[/QUOTE]You could be right, nothing happened with the date I had with Dakoda.

She must not be part of any future stings.

Stay safe, happy hunting.

Michigan Libertarian Party of Michigan had their 2018 state convention yesterday in Detroit.

We might find the Amendments to their platform interesting and helpful to providers and our hobby.

Proposal J. Vice Laws.

1. Government should confine itself to protecting individuals from aggression, coercion and deceit. We oppose all laws and regulations that attempt to protect individuals from the consequences of their own behavior. While not necessarily condoning such activities, we advocate the repeal of all laws criminalizing gambling, possession and sale of drugs and alcohol. All those presently incarcerated or ever convicted solely for the commision for these victimless crimes should be pardoned and their records expunged.

We call for the repeal of all laws criminalizing actions between consenting adults.
Libertarians support the repeal of all laws criminalizing the offer of sexual services for compensation by consenting adults, as well as the repeal of all laws criminalizing voluntarily seeking out sexual services for hire.

Our Hobby does not have to be a Risky Business

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=Benz1;3919920]Michigan Libertarian Party of Michigan had their 2018 state convention yesterday in Detroit.

We might find the Amendments to their platform interesting and helpful to providers and our hobby.

Proposal J. Vice Laws.

1. Government should confine itself to protecting individuals from aggression, coercion and deceit. We oppose all laws and regulations that attempt to protect individuals from the consequences of their own behavior. While not necessarily condoning such activities, we advocate the repeal of all laws criminalizing gambling, possession and sale of drugs and alcohol. All those presently incarcerated or ever convicted solely for the commision for these victimless crimes should be pardoned and their records expunged.

We call for the repeal of all laws criminalizing actions between consenting adults.
Libertarians support the repeal of all laws criminalizing the offer of sexual services for compensation by consenting adults, as well as the repeal of all laws criminalizing voluntarily seeking out sexual services for hire.

Our Hobby does not have to be a Risky Business

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Libertarian ideals are unworkable for the simple reasons that they do not reflect rational realistic human behavior and humans are not clones of one another. Their small government syllabus is dependant upon the protection of property and individual rights and national defence and only works if each individual are equally talented, educated and materially profitable. Since this is not the case in real world scenarios, inequality would manifest and over time multiply to the point where with no system of checks and balances, an elitist society would evolve. This society of privilege would wish to protect their status and this would bring down the entire house of cards, as the rich mobilize to protect their wealth. Sound familiar? Libertarian governments are inherently unstable and is why you do not see any currently.

[QUOTE=BadBoyFourU;3920255]Libertarian ideals are unworkable for the simple reasons that they do not reflect rational realistic human behavior and humans are not clones of one another. Their small government syllabus is dependant upon the protection of property and individual rights and national defence and only works if each individual are equally talented, educated and materially profitable. Since this is not the case in real world scenarios, inequality would manifest and over time multiply to the point where with no system of checks and balances, an elitist society would evolve. This society of privilege would wish to protect their status and this would bring down the entire house of cards, as the rich mobilize to protect their wealth. Sound familiar? Libertarian governments are inherently unstable and is why you do not see any currently.[/QUOTE]They would help our hobby by making sex for sale legal between consenting adults.

Wouldn't it be nice?

I'm bipolar and when I'm impulsive or manic I seek out these adventures. I think Michigan should legalize this with rules that the ladies pay taxes and have to prove they are clean and std free. Maybe even same for the clients. Maybe just allow brothels like they have in nevada.

[QUOTE=Benz1;3920294]They would help our hobby by making sex for sale legal between consenting adults.

Wouldn't it be nice?[/QUOTE]I've never seen anything wrong with the idea of paying for sex between two consenting adults. However I think the crime rate of rape, murder, and sex tracking would rise along with the Sexually transmitted diseases If it was made completely legal without any stipulations.

L say make it legal, Tax it and make it a monthly law they have to have STDs tests. All they would have to is hand out special licenses like they do for the people who conceal carry to.

Determine who would have to pay taxes and for the ones to lazy to get a liscense to sell their body would then suffer.

Consequences if caught.

[QUOTE=Benz1;3920294]They would help our hobby by making sex for sale legal between consenting adults.

Wouldn't it be nice?[/QUOTE]For some it may be a hobby but for others such as myself its a curse sometimes. Not calling you wrong but I don't think the word hobby applies here. A lot of women who do this are drug addicts, pimped out, homeless or have sex addiction. As far as the clients I think you would be surprised how many of us have sex addiction or some type of mental issue with impulsively and or the need for risky encounters. I'm all for legalizing prostitution if its done right. Afterall it is the oldest trade in the books.

[QUOTE=Bcronker;3920631]I've never seen anything wrong with the idea of paying for sex between two consenting adults. However I think the crime rate of rape, murder, and sex tracking would rise along with the Sexually transmitted diseases If it was made completely legal without any stipulations.

L say make it legal, Tax it and make it a monthly law they have to have STDs tests. All they would have to is hand out special licenses like they do for the people who conceal carry to.

Determine who would have to pay taxes and for the ones to lazy to get a liscense to sell their body would then suffer.

Consequences if caught.[/QUOTE]1000% agree with you. Well said.

[QUOTE=Benz1;3920294]They would help our hobby by making sex for sale legal between consenting adults.
Wouldn't it be nice?[/QUOTE]I vote for Professor Benz as the Secretary of Poon and Governmental Affairs!

[QUOTE=NoseJelly;3921037]I vote for Professor Benz as the Secretary of Poon and Governmental Affairs![/QUOTE]Thanks for the Nomination NJ, I accept.

I will Always Hire the Best Women For the Knob.

[QUOTE=Bcronker;3920631]I've never seen anything wrong with the idea of paying for sex between two consenting adults. However I think the crime rate of rape, murder, and sex tracking would rise along with the Sexually transmitted diseases If it was made completely legal without any stipulations.

L say make it legal, Tax it and make it a monthly law they have to have STDs tests. All they would have to is hand out special licenses like they do for the people who conceal carry to.

Determine who would have to pay taxes and for the ones to lazy to get a liscense to sell their body would then suffer.

Consequences if caught.[/QUOTE]Are you really sure that you want the government more involved in this than they already are?

Ask a licensed massage therapist what is required of them, especially for records on clients. How many here would like to see permanent records kept of all their visits?

[QUOTE=GrnwGuy2;3921366]Are you really sure that you want the government more involved in this than they already are?

Ask a licensed massage therapist what is required of them, especially for records on clients. How many here would like to see permanent records kept of all their visits?[/QUOTE]Unlike a licensed massage therapist having to be licensed by skill, you wouldn't at all. More demonstrated skill or knowledge by the state would be for driving a car. Nor would clientelle be tracked, as there's no need / call for that.

That's not to say there wouldn't be complications like supply / demand in the end. And drama in breaking the rules when allowing a gal failing to take or failure of said monthly test, etc.

[QUOTE=Charlie441;3922751]Unlike a licensed massage therapist having to be licensed by skill, you wouldn't at all. More demonstrated skill or knowledge by the state would be for driving a car. Nor would clientelle be tracked, as there's no need / call for that.

That's not to say there wouldn't be complications like supply / demand in the end. And drama in breaking the rules when allowing a gal failing to take or failure of said monthly test, etc.[/QUOTE]There is rarely any skill component involved in licensing massage therapists. None in relicensing. But, hoops to jump through that make money for various entities, and an interesting plethura of information that is supposed to be kept. There is no need for clientele to be tracked for massage therapists, but reasons have been supplied. Until the state law in 2009 superceded local laws, in many cities, it was just as hard to be a legal massage therapist, if not harder, than a massage parlor.

If the government gets involved in licensing, they will keep expanding control. And there will be things both clients and prostitutes would have to do that would increase price and hassle. Probably massive record keeping of clients so that if someone gets an STD, everyone can get notified. STD tests would cost more since the government would get involved. Because of licensing, it would be harder to get started, reducing supply, increasing cost.

I'd just as soon the government get out. Even more than it is. But, I really don't want the government to start controlling this.

"Hello, I'm here from the government and I'm here to help you."

Has anyone heard from either Jenn Savage or Alana Magic lately? There have been no answer from inquiries from either one.

Any allison reports. ? From adult look. ?

[QUOTE=PrimalUrge;3927992]Has anyone heard from either Jenn Savage or Alana Magic lately? There have been no answer from inquiries from either one.[/QUOTE]Miss Jenn Savage. I haven't heard from her in ages.

Alana Magic sent me text saying she lost her place and didn't have a place to host. She said she is currently staying with a friend.

[QUOTE=Stroker417;3629791]Saw Autumn yesterday. She is everything that Benz reported. Very sweet girl with a ala carte menu. And like Irish guy reported it feels like you're back in high school with her and car dates. Contact was through Benz and available to seniors only. Will repeat.[/QUOTE]Utr's are on and off again. Autumn is on today in GR.

I've driven to her home in Ravenna to see her and it was well worth the trip. She has a GR incall today.

She has a full set of false teeth.

You'll need to have seen her before (same digits) or get a new password. Frenz of Benz can PM me.For one of her famous gum jobs

Her pics are on page 36 today post #2164.

[QUOTE=AssMann45;3928802]Miss Jenn Savage. I haven't heard from her in ages.

Alana Magic sent me text saying she lost her place and didn't have a place to host. She said she is currently staying with a friend.[/QUOTE]I miss Jenn too, she came up missing last April. I hope she comes back. I sent Alana another text, maybe she'll respond. She offered limited hours and wasn't convenient for me. She dropped UTR after some drama, but was a solid provider at reasonable rates.

[QUOTE=AssMann45;3928802]Miss Jenn Savage. I haven't heard from her in ages.

Alana Magic sent me text saying she lost her place and didn't have a place to host. She said she is currently staying with a friend.[/QUOTE]Is Alana Magic the one that was in wayland?

[QUOTE=SlapShot69;3929041]Is Alana Magic the one that was in wayland?[/QUOTE]Yes, she offered incall in Wayland. Trailer park.

She gave great head, with CIM. Never missed a drop of my huge loads. Great value for the buck!

[QUOTE=Benz1;3928899]Utr's are on and off again. Autumn is on today in GR.

I've driven to her home in Ravenna to see her and it was well worth the trip. She has a GR incall today.

She has a full set of false teeth.

You'll need to have seen her before (same digits) or get a new password. Frenz of Benz can PM me.For one of her famous gum jobs

Her pics are on page 36 today post #2164.[/QUOTE]She's cuming out today, posting on STG.

Her digits are in the link.

Seniors PM me if you want the password for a guaranteed Gum Job.

[QUOTE=Benz1;3928899]Utr's are on and off again. Autumn is on today in GR.

I've driven to her home in Ravenna to see her and it was well worth the trip. She has a GR incall today.

She has a full set of false teeth.

You'll need to have seen her before (same digits) or get a new password. Frenz of Benz can PM me.For one of her famous gum jobs

Her pics are on page 36 today post #2164.[/QUOTE]She's cuming out today on STG. Her digits are in the link. She's no longer a UTR.

Seniors PM for a password to get a guaranteed Gum Job. With swallow.

[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/autumn-is-truly-here-ready-to/073696765987[/URL]

[QUOTE=Benz1;3929082]She's cuming out today on STG. Her digits are in the link. She's no longer a UTR.

Seniors PM for a password to get a guaranteed Gum Job. With swallow.

[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/autumn-is-truly-here-ready-to/073696765987[/URL][/QUOTE]I lived in Louisville alot of my UTR's had to come out they always told me their was just not enough Regulars or Seniors to support them or their Habits.

Happy Hunting and always stay safe.

Verified Sting in GR. AVOID!

Porn star Zara Brooks is in Grand Rapids and on SA. She asked about sites to advertise, and I pointed her in this direction. I had a date with her this evening, and she is the sweetest, most adorable little thing you'll ever want to meet. She hopes to move south before the snow flies. I didn't ask permission to review her here, so don't bother asking or PM'ing for details and rates. I'm just giving a head's up that she's here, you'll have to do the leg work yourself.

[QUOTE=ChastD1959;3930557]Porn star Zara Brooks is in Grand Rapids and on SA. She asked about sites to advertise, and I pointed her in this direction. I had a date with her this evening, and she is the sweetest, most adorable little thing you'll ever want to meet. She hopes to move south before the snow flies. I didn't ask permission to review her here, so don't bother asking or PM'ing for details and rates. I'm just giving a head's up that she's here, you'll have to do the leg work yourself.[/QUOTE]Having talked with her many moons ago and just wasn't interested as she isn't my type so I have zero qualms about sharing info unlike some. - she's asking for 300-450 per date. Duration and what's on the menu is up to you and your haggling skills, but greek isn't on the menu.

[QUOTE=Benz1;3929082]She's cuming out today on STG. Her digits are in the link. She's no longer a UTR.

Seniors PM for a password to get a guaranteed Gum Job. With swallow.

[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/autumn-is-truly-here-ready-to/073696765987[/URL][/QUOTE]Hey! I've never had a gum job before!!

Anyone else have issues logging on yesterday?

I could in the morning and then nothing.

Wondering if it was my internet or something else.

[QUOTE=Girls1;3932253]Anyone else have issues logging on yesterday?

I could in the morning and then nothing.

Wondering if it was my internet or something else.[/QUOTE]Same issue. Both this site and classifieds were down yesterday.