"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=DL500;3995770]OK I'll ask if nobody else will. Whats the signature move? Just out of curiosity.

DL.[/QUOTE]It's not really that difficult or even too difficult to think of. Offer a massage. Massage everywhere. If she starts squirming as you get close to the sensitive area and doesn't stop you, get wet, and lets you turn her over, she is ready to go.

It usually starts with, would you like a massage. If she starts undressing then pretty easy. If not, just ask her to strip down so you can use lotion. If she says no then forget it. Most of the time, if they meet up, they are curious. If she leaves her underwear on, I usually just put my hands under the bra strap, then say it'll probably be easier if you take it off. Same with the panties but usually just slowly start pulling them down and probably only 10% of the time, I've had the girl react and want to keep it up. If that happens I just make the massage quick.

This works on basically every type of woman.

[QUOTE=Atlpersiandood;3997103]It's not really that difficult or even too difficult to think of. Offer a massage. Massage everywhere. If she starts squirming as you get close to the sensitive area and doesn't stop you, get wet, and lets you turn her over, she is ready to go.

It usually starts with, would you like a massage. If she starts undressing then pretty easy. If not, just ask her to strip down so you can use lotion. If she says no then forget it. Most of the time, if they meet up, they are curious. If she leaves her underwear on, I usually just put my hands under the bra strap, then say it'll probably be easier if you take it off. Same with the panties but usually just slowly start pulling them down and probably only 10% of the time, I've had the girl react and want to keep it up. If that happens I just make the massage quick.

This works on basically every type of woman.[/QUOTE]Not Bad at all.

[QUOTE=Androo75;3996097]Any 411 on Brooke21293?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1978862a-ac11-4bc4-b8f0-4db1fdc58059[/URL]

Thank you![/QUOTE]She's a pro. Used to be Devin, her reviews were very mediocre.

[QUOTE=DL500;3997124]Not Bad at all.[/QUOTE]You also can't just put your hands on her and be done. You need to put a little effort and actually give a good enough massage for at least a bit. No 1-minute-men will work.

Don't give it all away Man! Hahaha. I learned years ago that being a straight guy, and knowing your way around Bath and Body works will get you more pussy than almost anything except hard cash. LOL!

That's how I nailed super religious Alabama girl #2! She hadn't had sex in months, it wasn't even 6 or 7 minutes into the massage and I was balls deep, LOL! So much for religious convictions, hahaha!

[QUOTE=Atlpersiandood;3997186]You also can't just put your hands on her and be done. You need to put a little effort and actually give a good enough massage for at least a bit. No 1-minute-men will work.[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure this is a filter the younger ones are using to try being ironic (and super cool with their friends! I've seen several younger women with late 90's time stamps in the corner and faded color look. I doubt they are all scanning really old photos for catfishing purposes.

[QUOTE=DRickGiver5;3996891]When the time stamp on her pictures say the pictures were taken in '98. Could their be a camera mistake or she forgot to set the date on the camera. Actually I haven't seen a time stamp on any pictures recently so I don't know if that's still done, but she has 2 pic saying '98 and her age is listed at 21. Something's not right if that's accurate.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2fd4afb9-0fb5-4510-976e-00fd66c8c0fd[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DRickGiver5;3996888]She's testing you. She usually asks for 4 and wants you to take her out to eat all of that. She actually contacted me this morning not know she talked to me before under my old account. However I knew her game. She also didn't realize she talked to me this morning and sent the exact same message from this morning to me this evening. Gave me the feeling like those bots on some sites so I threw her in the trash. I think there should be some earlier reviews of her in this thread.[/QUOTE]I may have posted this previously. In any event, she got short and pissy with me in messages a few weeks ago when, before we had talked numbers, she found out that I was out of town and was not wanting to meet up with her right away, but instead needed it to be the next week. I've never reached out to her again because that bad attitude, to me, screams seasoned pro with crappy service. YMMV.

[QUOTE=PretzelKing;3996771]Started conversation with this one. She asked how much, I offered $$. She stated she gets $$$$$ in ATL. Will anyone here admit to paying that, or is she worth it?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/855cc848-94e0-414a-a7f3-7bd426e1572d[/URL][/QUOTE]Repeating basically what everyone is saying. She's a pro and has a shitty attitude. She texted me "should I delete your number" cause I hadn't made an effort to see her. So much more and better out there then her used ass LOL.

We're kind of early in the messaging phase. The add'l photos kept my interest. I find late 20's generally less flaky and more dependable than the "average coed," but that's just me. Got any experience with this one? (I'll report back if anything noteworthy follows.).

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a6985ef9-4b57-4002-85b5-ce2ac47a8ab4[/URL]

Good morning,

Any info on Annbeauty0803. She wants $$ to meet. She sent additional pictures via text that were quite nice.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/53400421-4507-4b59-b113-c10d6a3d8020[/URL]

It's an app that makes your photos appear as though they were taken with an old school disposable camera. How do I know? My ball and chain uses it LOL.

[QUOTE=DRickGiver5;3996891]When the time stamp on her pictures say the pictures were taken in '98. Could their be a camera mistake or she forgot to set the date on the camera. Actually I haven't seen a time stamp on any pictures recently so I don't know if that's still done, but she has 2 pic saying '98 and her age is listed at 21. Something's not right if that's accurate.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2fd4afb9-0fb5-4510-976e-00fd66c8c0fd[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=QuartJess;3998549]Good morning,

Any info on Annbeauty0803. She wants $$ to meet. She sent additional pictures via text that were quite nice.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/53400421-4507-4b59-b113-c10d6a3d8020[/URL][/QUOTE]She kinda drifted on me- if you pull the trigger report back good sir!

[QUOTE=QuartJess;3998549]Good morning,

Any info on Annbeauty0803. She wants $$ to meet. She sent additional pictures via text that were quite nice.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/53400421-4507-4b59-b113-c10d6a3d8020[/URL][/QUOTE]She kinda drifted on me- if you pull the trigger report back good sir!

ElenaHa.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5ab79894-82cb-4b70-abed-1c6f22122d2b[/URL]

-moved to text, open about what to expect asked for verification with a personalized photo, looks solid.

Michelleee97.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5018e437-d631-49ba-b7c7-6112750fedcb[/URL]

-clarified expectations in SA msg, she's on board -moved to text and holding.

What say you, gentlemen? Thanks!

Michelleeeee97 is a dancer at the pink pony. She doesn't look nearly as good IRL as she does in her pictures. Seen her on day shift before. Wasn't inclined to tip her.

[QUOTE=Androo75;3998829]ElenaHa.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5ab79894-82cb-4b70-abed-1c6f22122d2b[/URL]

-moved to text, open about what to expect asked for verification with a personalized photo, looks solid.

Michelleee97.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5018e437-d631-49ba-b7c7-6112750fedcb[/URL]

-clarified expectations in SA msg, she's on board -moved to text and holding.

What say you, gentlemen? Thanks![/QUOTE]

This is my "Dear Penthouse" story.

Anyone ever attempt a Sugar Binge?

A couple weeks before Christmas last year I got a hotel for 2 days and did 4 SB's in a row. Checked in. 5 pm bang, 9 am bang, 2 pm bang, 9 am bang. Checkout. 3 new ones (had met 2 of them for coffee and set up the play date earlier that week. One just showed with no in person meeting to bang and 1 was my regular for that semester). All 4 were 18-21 year old college non-pros.

This week I wanted to see if I could do 3 with only a 1 night hotel.

Checked in and did one at 5 pm. Banged the one I told you about last week that looks just like Shawn Johnson (19,4'11 and does CrossFit): [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms5d9RN0WzY[/URL].

I made her little taco pop. 3 times. CIP. Did pics / video. The works. Feel asleep by 9.

I had a new 18 year old scheduled for 8:30 a that I has met for coffee the day before and a 19 year old sorority girl I had seen before scheduled for 12:00 (was able to get a late checkout).

The 8:30 a 18 year old texts me while on her way saying she just wanted to talk again today. Ugh. So I text the sorority girl to just go ahead and come on and told the other one to just call me another day when she was ready for adult fun (but I had already given her the room number).

The sorority girl texts and says she is in the shower and getting ready to come early.

Knock at the door. It is the 18 year old who just wants to talk that I told not to come. She takes me over to the bed and starts kissing. I proceeded to plowed the f' out of her to the point she couldn't even form a sentence. Finally she was able to explain she was pre-law and had been reading about entrapment cases and only texted me that she just wanted to talk today in case I was a cop. LOL.

But then I realized. O crap, what about the sorority girl on her way! Checked my phone and she was on the way. Was going to text and tell her just to come at 12:30 as planned, but wanted to see what I was made of so I just let her keep coming. Escorted the 18 year old out the door, and had about 10 minutes to recover before the next knock at the door.

Tried to make the bed and drink some water and stall for a few to catch my second wind. Luckily, this girl is a self starter and took control and I had no issues giving her the everything she could handle (or was it the other way around?

So. By noon, I had binged on 3 teenagers in less than 24 hours. Made each of them O multiple times.

And that my friends is how you do it.

[QUOTE=SummaTaco;3998994]Michelleeeee97 is a dancer at the pink pony. She doesn't look nearly as good IRL as she does in her pictures. Seen her on day shift before. Wasn't inclined to tip her.[/QUOTE]I saw her twice earlier this year for less than 2 bills I can't recall exact amount. I just remember it was low. She likes sexy and I hit it raw CIM. I agree she doesn't look as good IRL but worth it for the price. She's probably a little tainted now if she's dancing. She was pretty new at all this when I first saw her so her expectations could be different now.

[QUOTE=SummaTaco;3998994]Michelleeeee97 is a dancer at the pink pony. She doesn't look nearly as good IRL as she does in her pictures. Seen her on day shift before. Wasn't inclined to tip her.[/QUOTE]I did see her a while back, she drove to my location and gave me a mediocre BBBJ. BBFS was on the table bit she told me she was just coming from work so I decided to strap on. Good thing I did so because after being inside of her missionary and some intense kissing I busted in the bag and when I got out of her the condom was red. I'm like WTF dude are you on your period and she said no I just came from striping. I thought to myself those poor guys in the strip club might've got some ketchup with lap dance they didn't even k ow about.

We decided on 2 $$ but told her to tk a paycut because of that so she agreed on 1 $$ with 20 for her gas.

Not worth it considering her poor hygiene.

[QUOTE=QuartJess;3998549]Good morning,

Any info on Annbeauty0803. She wants $$ to meet. She sent additional pictures via text that were quite nice.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/53400421-4507-4b59-b113-c10d6a3d8020[/URL][/QUOTE]She's not worth it bro. Too much acne all over her face and body. Also, she has literally no ass. The pics she might have sent you probably shows that she has some kind of ass in those pics but in reality it's nothing and she has a huge belly. Absolutely not worth it I used a rubber after I have seen her IRL and could not go through with BBFS. I even went ahead and got myself checked out after I got a BBBJ from her. I only gave her 1 $$ for her performance looks I will probably give her 2/10.

PICS are SUPER DECEIVING.

[QUOTE=Androo75;3998829]ElenaHa.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5ab79894-82cb-4b70-abed-1c6f22122d2b[/URL]

-moved to text, open about what to expect asked for verification with a personalized photo, looks solid.[/QUOTE]She is legit. The pictures are accurate and she is very sweet. Great kisser, BBBJ, CFS. The damage was 3 $$. Good and let me know how it goes.

Any info on this one? Been texting back and forth but haven't been able to make our schedules work. Just wondering if she is worth it.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/de27ff48-86f1-46ab-9584-cdfb789c72c5[/URL]

Thanks.

[QUOTE=DesiLover28;3999217]She's not worth it bro. Too much acne all over her face and body. Also, she has literally no ass. The pics she might have sent you probably shows that she has some kind of ass in those pics but in reality it's nothing and she has a huge belly. Absolutely not worth it I used a rubber after I have seen her IRL and could not go through with BBFS. I even went ahead and got myself checked out after I got a BBBJ from her. I only gave her 1 $$ for her performance looks I will probably give her 2/10.

PICS are SUPER DECEIVING.[/QUOTE]I'm with you. I drove to her place in Winder after work, called from the driveway, she came outside and I backed up and drove off. She looked high and had marks on her legs. She was willing to BBFS for $ for hhr. Just wasn't feeling it; glad the big head took over.

[QUOTE=Ddreg;3999287]Any info on this one? Been texting back and forth but haven't been able to make our schedules work. Just wondering if she is worth it.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/de27ff48-86f1-46ab-9584-cdfb789c72c5[/URL]

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Had spoken to her a few months back and exchanged info and got to talking. I just didn't get the right vibe from her and it was pretty obvious that she was a pro the way she spoke the about our time spent together it was evident that she had been doing this for a living. Also she seemed kind of out of it I don't know if she gets high on something or whatever it is I just didn't feel it in my gut to go through with it so I bailed. She kept on insisting for me to come see her and not to forget she was asking for a crazy amount of allowance. But again YMMV maybe you might feel differently. From my side it was a no go.

[QUOTE=Ddreg;3999270]She is legit. The pictures are accurate and she is very sweet. Great kisser, BBBJ, CFS. The damage was 3 $$. Good and let me know how it goes.[/QUOTE]Does she host bro? She's worth the 3 $$ tbh.

[QUOTE=LogJammin18;3999096]This is my "Dear Penthouse" story.

Anyone ever attempt a Sugar Binge?

A couple weeks before Christmas last year I got a hotel for 2 days and did 4 SB's in a row. Checked in. 5 pm bang, 9 am bang, 2 pm bang, 9 am bang. Checkout. 3 new ones (had met 2 of them for coffee and set up the play date earlier that week. One just showed with no in person meeting to bang and 1 was my regular for that semester). All 4 were 18-21 year old college non-pros.

This week I wanted to see if I could do 3 with only a 1 night hotel.

Checked in and did one at 5 pm. Banged the one I told you about last week that looks just like Shawn Johnson (19,4'11 and does CrossFit): [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms5d9RN0WzY[/URL].

I made her little taco pop. 3 times. CIP. Did pics / video. The works. Feel asleep by 9.

I had a new 18 year old scheduled for 8:30 a that I has met for coffee the day before and a 19 year old sorority girl I had seen before scheduled for 12:00 (was able to get a late checkout).

The 8:30 a 18 year old texts me while on her way saying she just wanted to talk again today. Ugh. So I text the sorority girl to just go ahead and come on and told the other one to just call me another day when she was ready for adult fun (but I had already given her the room number).

The sorority girl texts and says she is in the shower and getting ready to come early.

Knock at the door. It is the 18 year old who just wants to talk that I told not to come. She takes me over to the bed and starts kissing. I proceeded to plowed the f' out of her to the point she couldn't even form a sentence. Finally she was able to explain she was pre-law and had been reading about entrapment cases and only texted me that she just wanted to talk today in case I was a cop. LOL.

But then I realized. O crap, what about the sorority girl on her way! Checked my phone and she was on the way. Was going to text and tell her just to come at 12:30 as planned, but wanted to see what I was made of so I just let her keep coming. Escorted the 18 year old out the door, and had about 10 minutes to recover before the next knock at the door.

Tried to make the bed and drink some water and stall for a few to catch my second wind. Luckily, this girl is a self starter and took control and I had no issues giving her the everything she could handle (or was it the other way around?

So. By noon, I had binged on 3 teenagers in less than 24 hours. Made each of them O multiple times.

And that my friends is how you do it.[/QUOTE]Dude you were on binge for real. Wish I cld get away for a cpl of days like that. Truely inspiring.

[QUOTE=DesiLover28;3999217]She's not worth it bro. Too much acne all over her face and body. Also, she has literally no ass. The pics she might have sent you probably shows that she has some kind of ass in those pics but in reality it's nothing and she has a huge belly. Absolutely not worth it I used a rubber after I have seen her IRL and could not go through with BBFS. I even went ahead and got myself checked out after I got a BBBJ from her. I only gave her 1 $$ for her performance looks I will probably give her 2/10.

PICS are SUPER DECEIVING.[/QUOTE]Had wondered about her.

[QUOTE=DesiLover28;3999611]Dude you were on binge for real. Wish I cld get away for a cpl of days like that. Truely inspiring.[/QUOTE]Blind squirrel nut principal. Sometimes it just works out.

That being said, I have hit a gold vein of luck lately on young, hot new girls who are just testing the waters and have never done anything like this before. We do a coffee meet and greet. I make them laugh a little. Make the meeting short and sweet. Text them a little while later asking if they want to meet up the next day and get on the sugar payroll and they just keep saying yes. 5 years ago, I didn't know this was possible. Living the dream. HA.

I've had great success with SA, and haven't paid for "membership" access now for 4+ months. Still see two 40's MILF's that just love sex, and one 20 something that loves exploring kink. Bondage, multiple hole play, butt plugs, spanking, flogging, etc. You get the picture. They all know I let my access go dormant cause I'm "just seeing them". LOL. I really want to share the kinky one especially, but want to establish another profile so I can "anonymously" access her profile to share on here. And to look for some additional talent.

So for the guys on here with multiple profiles, my question is when I establish a new profile, can I use my same email associated with my current profile? Or do the SA police get mixed up if I don't keep my second profile registration totally separate?

TG.

[QUOTE=QuartJess;3998549]Good morning,

Any info on Annbeauty0803. She wants $$ to meet. She sent additional pictures via text that were quite nice.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/53400421-4507-4b59-b113-c10d6a3d8020[/URL][/QUOTE]If you can entice and talk to her correctly she'll fuck for free. Was worth the hour drive to Gainesville. She's also a little jumpy, might be on meds. And actually wanted a creampie when we met but I declined so who knows what you fuckers can manage.

[QUOTE=LogJammin18;3999096]This is my "Dear Penthouse" story.

Anyone ever attempt a Sugar Binge?[/QUOTE]I did a Craigslist Binge years ago when I used to post on Casual Encounters. I would get a hotel and line up 3 or 4 and have them back to back to back. I usually wouldn't blow a load until the last one though, so I could enjoy it to the max.

It's a great feeling to bang a girl hard and then have her leave. Then 30 min later, there is another knock at the hotel door and another one comes in and disrobes and more fun. "It's good to be the King" was my thought on those days. But of course, these were mostly horny, overweight housewives and not hot, young SA poon. Although I usually mixed some pros with "free" action, so had some hot, young ones in the mix.

I only did this two or three times, but was very depraved and there is sometimes a great deal of value to doing something to excess.

Seeing soon- need info, can't seem to find previous post on her- any heads up would be great!

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6a6c063f-5efc-4484-9f12-b36927140544[/URL]

My SA membership ended, and I've collected plenty of leads to hold me over a few weeks. But when I return, I'm not keen on the $90 membership. Have any of you other mongers tried any of the similar sites, and had success? If so, can you please share or PM them to me?

[QUOTE=TallGuy3000;3999782]I've had great success with SA, and haven't paid for "membership" access now for 4+ months. Still see two 40's MILF's that just love sex, and one 20 something that loves exploring kink. Bondage, multiple hole play, butt plugs, spanking, flogging, etc. You get the picture. They all know I let my access go dormant cause I'm "just seeing them". LOL. I really want to share the kinky one especially, but want to establish another profile so I can "anonymously" access her profile to share on here. And to look for some additional talent.

So for the guys on here with multiple profiles, my question is when I establish a new profile, can I use my same email associated with my current profile? Or do the SA police get mixed up if I don't keep my second profile registration totally separate?

TG.[/QUOTE]I've done two profiles in the past, one as nice guy who's a little lonely and one as dominant guy looking for a sub. You will need two separate emails and two separate forms of payment. Ie, can't use the same debit card for both.

Reached out to Southern_bell_97 this week and received the following "I have a very strict schedule, I don't like inconsistency. I'm not a PPM girl, I want a classic SD set up. Weekly allowance, dates can happen once a week. If you're too busy, I'm sorry, that's on you. Consistency with allowance is required. My current relationship is an allowance of $800 a week, but I don't want to further relationship with my current partner. What can you offer, and can you abide by my rules?" I replied that I don't think what she was asking would work for me and that I was sorry to have bothered her. Basically saying 1 time a week only and if you miss it's your tuff luck for $3,200 a month. Any way I passed and just wanted to share with ya'll in case any are interested in her. I try to be nice in my replies even to outlandish requests. I just don't want any drama on the site so I keep it civil.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b15bc657-9481-41ef-a617-c46168b850bd[/URL]

SD.

[QUOTE=Androo75;4000168]Seeing soon- need info, can't seem to find previous post on her- any heads up would be great!

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6a6c063f-5efc-4484-9f12-b36927140544[/URL][/QUOTE]I have met her IRL, not related to this site, and her pics are accurate. Not sure about the pink hair though. There was a review of her not too long ago, probably the last three months, and it was favorable. I'm not positive, but I think they gave her 300, and she was pretty good in the sack, took it like a champ.

[QUOTE=TallGuy3000;3999782]I've had great success with SA, and haven't paid for "membership" access now for 4+ months. Still see two 40's MILF's that just love sex, and one 20 something that loves exploring kink. Bondage, multiple hole play, butt plugs, spanking, flogging, etc. You get the picture. They all know I let my access go dormant cause I'm "just seeing them". LOL. I really want to share the kinky one especially, but want to establish another profile so I can "anonymously" access her profile to share on here. And to look for some additional talent.

So for the guys on here with multiple profiles, my question is when I establish a new profile, can I use my same email associated with my current profile? Or do the SA police get mixed up if I don't keep my second profile registration totally separate?

TG.[/QUOTE]If you are using gmail, you can add ". " in different places and they will treat it like a different email address. Gmail treats it as the same. E. g. This. Is. My. Email at gmail is the same as [EMAIL]th.isi.smye.mail@gmail.com[/EMAIL]. You can also get a for just this purpose. Disposable email through several sites. I am currently using [URL]www.guerrillamail.com[/URL].

If you are using gmail for the hobby, I would strongly recommend switching to something like protonmail. Ch to avoid all the tracking Goggle does.

Be safe,

Mo.

Are there other sites the local ladies use?

[QUOTE=SoonerFan72;4000351]My SA membership ended, and I've collected plenty of leads to hold me over a few weeks. But when I return, I'm not keen on the $90 membership. Have any of you other mongers tried any of the similar sites, and had success? If so, can you please share or PM them to me?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GA400;4001001]Are there other sites the local ladies use?[/QUOTE]I know of no other sites and have found the mo. Rate a very good investment.

Nevertheless, MY question of you guys is. Is it more full of crap than just a few months ago? I seem to spend a lot of time weeding out an increasing number of bad prospects. (To be sure, the jewels are still in there.).

Just wondered YOUR perceptions.

[QUOTE=MoSlow;4000764]If you are using gmail, you can add ". " in different places and they will treat it like a different email address. Gmail treats it as the same. E. g. [EMAIL]This.Is.My.Email@gmail.com[/EMAIL] is the same as [EMAIL]th.isi.smye.mail@gmail.com[/EMAIL]. You can also get a disposable email for just this purpose through several sites. I am currently using [URL]www.guerrillamail.com[/URL].

If you are using gmail for the hobby, I would strongly recommend switching to something like protonmail. Ch to avoid all the tracking Goggle does.

Be safe,

Mo.[/QUOTE]Sorry. The blog formatting kinda changes the way some of this renders. I took another run at it. PM me if you want more info and this wasn't clear.

Mo.

[QUOTE=MoSlow;4000764]
If you are using gmail for the hobby, I would strongly recommend switching to something like protonmail. Ch to avoid all the tracking Goggle does.

Be safe,

Mo.[/QUOTE]Yes, I was going to suggest the same. Protonmail accts are free and you can usually set them up behind a VPN as well and it won't make you verify a phone number, etc. Sometimes it does, but most of the time it's just a CAPTCHA.

Google has gotten terrible at this point and will give up your info to the gov't in a second, so Protonmail is better. And it's not 100% either but less likely to f*ck you (in a bad way).

I strongly encourage a good level of paranoia at this point and especially in this particular hobby.