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[QUOTE=Fred5568;4173444]Has anybody visited a AMP in the Casselberry Altamonte or lake Mary since all the issues going on. If so where. If not does anybody know of a independent that does massages at a reasonable rate?
Thanks be safe.[/QUOTE]I haven't been into any of them but all the ones I see driving up 17-92 from Fern Park up to Lake Mary say they're open. I pass at least 4 along that drive, the most well known is natural.
Interesting to note that Jupiter newspaper says reason for raid that got Kraft arrested was the fact that AMTs were living there. If so then how did LEO install the camera without being seen. They reasoned that since they lived there they must be victims. There is more to this story. Were the cameras watching the girls also and for how long. There has to be privacy issues here or the girls were in on it. Terrible thought.
[QUOTE=IndianRiver;4174375]There has to be privacy issues here or the girls were in on it. Terrible thought.[/QUOTE]While we'd all like to think the [I]U.S. Constitution[/I] guarantees our right to privacy in any and all circumstances, the legal system is littered with loopholes and justifications to violate that privacy. It's a simple matter of [B]1.)[/B] Probable Cause (real or contrived); [B]2.)[/B] Petition for Warrant; [B]3.)[/B] Friendly or sympathetic judge (what judge is going to argue against SEX SLAVERY); [B]4.)[/B] Warrant issued; [B]5.)[/B] Secret surveillance occurs; [B]6.)[/B] [U]BANG![/U] Arrests are made!
This is how prosecutors get wire-taps or camera surveillance for mobsters, terrorists, or even the vilest of all criminals, [I]>gasp<[/I] people in pursuit of orgasms!
Video surveillance is 100% legal when audio is involved it becomes a crime aka Wire Tapping.
[QUOTE=MrBill469;4174569]While we'd all like to think the [I]U.S. Constitution[/I] guarantees our right to privacy in any and all circumstances, the legal system is littered with loopholes and justifications to violate that privacy. It's a simple matter of [B]1.)[/B] Probable Cause (real or contrived); [B]2.)[/B] Petition for Warrant; [B]3.)[/B] Friendly or sympathetic judge (what judge is going to argue against SEX SLAVERY); [B]4.)[/B] Warrant issued; [B]5.)[/B] Secret surveillance occurs; [B]6.)[/B] [U]BANG![/U] Arrests are made!
This is how prosecutors get wire-taps or camera surveillance for mobsters, terrorists, or even the vilest of all criminals, [I]>gasp<[/I] people in pursuit of orgasms![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IndianRiver;4174375]Interesting to note that Jupiter newspaper says reason for raid that got Kraft arrested was the fact that AMTs were living there. If so then how did LEO install the camera without being seen. They reasoned that since they lived there they must be victims. There is more to this story. Were the cameras watching the girls also and for how long. There has to be privacy issues here or the girls were in on it. Terrible thought.[/QUOTE]The police created a fake bomb scare to vacate the building for several hours while they installed the cameras.
[URL]https://www.salemnews.com/news/local_news/affidavit-tells-how-video-placed-kraft-in-sex-spa/article_c8f0c510-4b39-5ead-90df-a8f91cd88107.html[/URL]
With the whole scare going on I had to test the waters at a non FS place. Hit up my tried and true original spot. I've been a regular here for close to 7 years. Called for my fave Cici. Excellent massage and traditional "special" ending for us magic regulars. Remember no FS ever. It was quiet however a monger was their when I arrived and another arrived during the hour. Stay safe fellas.
[QUOTE=Fred5568;4173444]Has anybody visited a AMP in the Casselberry Altamonte or lake Mary since all the issues going on. If so where. If not does anybody know of a independent that does massages at a reasonable rate?
Thanks be safe.[/QUOTE]In Altamonte on 426 try Magic immediately on the left after crossing over 4 if you were northbound on 4. Turn into the first L shaped strip center on the south side of 426. Its at the far west leg of the center.
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[QUOTE=Fred5568;4173444]Has anybody visited a AMP in the Casselberry Altamonte or lake Mary since all the issues going on. If so where. If not does anybody know of a independent that does massages at a reasonable rate?
Thanks be safe.[/QUOTE]I visited Asahi the other day. Nothing new to report than it was business as usual.
[QUOTE=PapiGuapo;4172889]Anyone been to KMS the past couple weeks since everything went down? Are they open?[/QUOTE]I drove by KMS a little after 6 pm today. Open sign was on and had the front door propped open as looked like they were doing a little cleaning.
[QUOTE=MrBill469;4174569]While we'd all like to think the [I]U.S. Constitution[/I] guarantees our right to privacy in any and all circumstances, the legal system is littered with loopholes and justifications to violate that privacy. It's a simple matter of [B]1.)[/B] Probable Cause (real or contrived); [B]2.)[/B] Petition for Warrant; [B]3.)[/B] Friendly or sympathetic judge (what judge is going to argue against SEX SLAVERY); [B]4.)[/B] Warrant issued; [B]5.)[/B] Secret surveillance occurs; [B]6.)[/B] [U]BANG![/U] Arrests are made!
This is how prosecutors get wire-taps or camera surveillance for mobsters, terrorists, or even the vilest of all criminals, [I]>gasp<[/I] people in pursuit of orgasms![/QUOTE]True, the Constitution doesn't even contain the word privacy. However, officers have to exhaust all practical means before they can get a warrant like this. You can easily research how a string of AMPs from Tallahassee to Naples were taken down without the use of a warrant to place camera back in 2017. Something like 8 out of 19 have pled guilty. In other words, there were other means to accomplish the goal with getting the warrant. That warrant won't stand up in a suppression. Billionaires can afford really smart attorneys.
[QUOTE=IndianRiver;4174375]Interesting to note that Jupiter newspaper says reason for raid that got Kraft arrested was the fact that AMTs were living there. If so then how did LEO install the camera without being seen. They reasoned that since they lived there they must be victims. There is more to this story. Were the cameras watching the girls also and for how long. There has to be privacy issues here or the girls were in on it. Terrible thought.[/QUOTE]They live in the spas for several reasons, among them:
1. It's cheaper than renting an outside place. Most want to amass as much money as quickly as possible so they can retire.
2. It's difficult to rent a decent place if you have income you can't put down on the application form for an apartment. And even if you do put it down, you don't have any proof of that income.
3. With limited English, it's a hassle to rent a place, arrange utilities, etc. , etc. Not to mention maintaining the place when you are on duty 13 or 14 hours a day.
4. Wouldn't get much sleep if you have to go back and forth from an outside residence to your workplace when you are on duty from 9 AM or 10 AM to 11 PM.
5. Have to have transportation to your outside residence--they don't want to waste money on a car; it's hard for them to get a driving license; taxis and uber would be an additional expense; and walking "home" late at night might not be very safe.
[QUOTE=Jokester1;4175287]They live in the spas for several reasons, among them:
1. It's cheaper than renting an outside place. Most want to amass as much money as quickly as possible so they can retire.
2. It's difficult to rent a decent place if you have income you can't put down on the application form for an apartment. And even if you do put it down, you don't have any proof of that income.
3. With limited English, it's a hassle to rent a place, arrange utilities, etc. , etc. Not to mention maintaining the place when you are on duty 13 or 14 hours a day.
4. Wouldn't get much sleep if you have to go back and forth from an outside residence to your workplace when you are on duty from 9 AM or 10 AM to 11 PM.
5. Have to have transportation to your outside residence--they don't want to waste money on a car; it's hard for them to get a driving license; taxis and uber would be an additional expense; and walking "home" late at night might not be very safe.[/QUOTE]Exactly. One of the other reasons LE claimed suspicious was that they had a kitchen on site. Virtually every company I've worked for had a breakroom kitchen. It's just nonsense. God forbid they want to cook something or have some tea throughout the day!
[QUOTE=NeoRB25;4175145]I drove by KMS a little after 6 pm today. Open sign was on and had the front door propped open as looked like they were doing a little cleaning.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update Neo. Has anyone actually been there in the last week or so? PM is fine.
Most workplaces are zoned non-residential. Most Spas are zoned non-residential. They live there because the pimps and madams don't pay them enough to pay rent. Walks like a duck talks like a duck it is a duck. You hobbyists should duck those places or do the Barretta.
[QUOTE=Jokester1;4175287]They live in the spas for several reasons, among them:
1. It's cheaper than renting an outside place. Most want to amass as much money as quickly as possible so they can retire.
2. It's difficult to rent a decent place if you have income you can't put down on the application form for an apartment. And even if you do put it down, you don't have any proof of that income.
3. With limited English, it's a hassle to rent a place, arrange utilities, etc. , etc. Not to mention maintaining the place when you are on duty 13 or 14 hours a day.
4. Wouldn't get much sleep if you have to go back and forth from an outside residence to your workplace when you are on duty from 9 AM or 10 AM to 11 PM.
5. Have to have transportation to your outside residence--they don't want to waste money on a car; it's hard for them to get a driving license; taxis and uber would be an additional expense; and walking "home" late at night might not be very safe.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=UtahLegend;4175418]Most workplaces are zoned non-residential. Most Spas are zoned non-residential. They live there because the pimps and madams don't pay them enough to pay rent. Walks like a duck talks like a duck it is a duck. You hobbyists should duck those places or do the Barretta.[/QUOTE]Elon Musk reports sleeping in his factory which is strictly zoned for industrial. Maybe one of his largest shareholders a. K. a. Pimps like Larry Ellison is making him do that. Seems silly to call something a duck while ignoring all those valid points.
[QUOTE=UtahLegend;4175418]Most workplaces are zoned non-residential. Most Spas are zoned non-residential. They live there because the pimps and madams don't pay them enough to pay rent. Walks like a duck talks like a duck it is a duck. You hobbyists should duck those places or do the Barretta.[/QUOTE]Based on this suggestion, should a potential customer insist on a tour of a spa to verify that no one is actually living in the business? Does this apply to other businesses, such as restaurants? How do I ask for a tour of a clothing company that made a shirt that I purchased on line.
Good suggestion but difficult to implement for the customer.
All of us are concerned with how to avoid places that may be targeted ala WPB. One solution offered is to avoid places known to provide FS. But the published police reports reveal that all arests occurred when the customer gave the girl $40 for a HJ. Thats all it took. Money for a sex act. So for me, I'm going to lay low for a while or maybe take my chances and go only to my less well known favorites. Stay safe.
My question was that if girls are living there how did LEO install cameras without being seen. ?
[QUOTE=Jokester1;4175287]They live in the spas for several reasons, among them:
1. It's cheaper than renting an outside place. Most want to amass as much money as quickly as possible so they can retire.
2. It's difficult to rent a decent place if you have income you can't put down on the application form for an apartment. And even if you do put it down, you don't have any proof of that income.
3. With limited English, it's a hassle to rent a place, arrange utilities, etc. , etc. Not to mention maintaining the place when you are on duty 13 or 14 hours a day.
4. Wouldn't get much sleep if you have to go back and forth from an outside residence to your workplace when you are on duty from 9 AM or 10 AM to 11 PM.
5. Have to have transportation to your outside residence--they don't want to waste money on a car; it's hard for them to get a driving license; taxis and uber would be an additional expense; and walking "home" late at night might not be very safe.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IndianRiver;4175762]My question was that if girls are living there how did LEO install cameras without being seen. ?[/QUOTE]If you are so scared stay home. Everyone thinks the sky is falling. If you wish to go then go if not stay home.
What goes on behind closed doors with two consenting adults is their business.
Cameras cannot be installed without a court order, and the owner would have to know what was going on because they have to be provided with a copy of the court order.
If you are stopped for an alleged traffic infraction only provide licenses, registration and insurance.
Do not answer any questions about your activities. You have the right to remain silent use it.
Or just state it was not me. We saw you leaving the place. Was not me.
Don't make their jobs easy make them prove you did something other than get a massage.
It is so simple to figure out.
Oh yeah, WB is open. Stop by there parked across the street, ate lunch in the car just to see how busy they were going to be. No cars whatsoever. So I ventured over there. I go there and I see a long lost friend, Mona greeted me said hi said she remembered me from CB and GG. What was funny is even though she recognized me you can tell that they are spooked because she greeted me enthusiastically but held out her hand for handshake and I gave her a handshake and half a hug but once we got into the room she said hello properly. We had an amazing massage in the shower returned to the room where the massage was just as amazing, very much like the Moana I remembered the massage was very good I paid the 60 house fee. She offered two massages but I only partook of one because it was very relaxing and draining. Had a great time so, as with any great service in any business, I left a customary tip on the table. It was great seeing Mona again.
[QUOTE=LastMarshall;4176025]If you are so scared stay home. Everyone thinks the sky is falling. If you wish to go then go if not stay home.
What goes on behind closed doors with two consenting adults is their business.
Cameras cannot be installed without a court order, and the owner would have to know what was going on because they have to be provided with a copy of the court order.
If you are stopped for an alleged traffic infraction only provide licenses, registration and insurance.
Do not answer any questions about your activities. You have the right to remain silent use it.
Or just state it was not me. We saw you leaving the place. Was not me.
Don't make their jobs easy make them prove you did something other than get a massage.
It is so simple to figure out.[/QUOTE]They could have posed as customers and planted them while undressing, but that is illegal because a court order has to be in hand and a copy provided to the owner. Was the ladies involved? Maybe they were offered a deal so LEO could get a big fish. This case won't make it to court the law was broken in so many ways that loopholes are wide open.
Went to natural today. This was the second time in the last couple of weeks. Went to the shower and had a great nap. Dreamt there was great teasing with the boys. Then off to the room. Below average massage but great teasing the entire time. Then on the flip was the fun part. Every time gets better and better. Again, just a dream.
Words of advice, never talk money. Don't be a fool and talk money. Don't negotiate. We all know the rates. Pay the house fee and leave the rest out somewhere. Then enjoy.
[QUOTE=LastMarshall;4176025]If you are so scared stay home. Everyone thinks the sky is falling. If you wish to go then go if not stay home.
What goes on behind closed doors with two consenting adults is their business.
Cameras cannot be installed without a court order, and the owner would have to know what was going on because they have to be provided with a copy of the court order.
If you are stopped for an alleged traffic infraction only provide licenses, registration and insurance.
Do not answer any questions about your activities. You have the right to remain silent use it.
Or just state it was not me. We saw you leaving the place. Was not me.
Don't make their jobs easy make them prove you did something other than get a massage.
It is so simple to figure out.[/QUOTE]It's all public record already, they used a bomb threat to plant the cameras. It's not that hard to get surveillance, it's just a huge waste of money to do it for someone giving hand jobs. The owner doesn't need a copy of a court order, that would defeat the purpose of surveillance.
Hey fellas,
Sorry shit's hitting the fan in your area, especially right before I come to town for a work conference.
Search didn't turn up much but curious if anyone has tried Bella.
Productorwix. [URL]wixsite.com[/URL]/ belladayspamobile.
I'm going to be without car so looking for someone who will come to me or not too bad of a cab ride from conference hotel near mickey. Happy to get a decent massage +. This Bella shows up on searches but not much for reviews or anything that I can find.
Never thought of this before but now. Well doesn't seem as crazy as before. Has anyone considered or used camera or wifi detecting devices in the rooms? Looked some of the products up on the I-net with mixed reviews. Curious if these devices actually work in a real 'environment', which do work, if any and how best to use them if they do. Openly (has it's own merit) or secretively.
[QUOTE=LastMarshall;4176025]If you are so scared stay home. Everyone thinks the sky is falling. If you wish to go then go if not stay home.
What goes on behind closed doors with two consenting adults is their business.
Cameras cannot be installed without a court order, and the owner would have to know what was going on because they have to be provided with a copy of the court order.
If you are stopped for an alleged traffic infraction only provide licenses, registration and insurance.
Do not answer any questions about your activities. You have the right to remain silent use it.
Or just state it was not me. We saw you leaving the place. Was not me.
Don't make their jobs easy make them prove you did something other than get a massage.
It is so simple to figure out.[/QUOTE]Amen to that!
[QUOTE=LastMarshall;4176025]If you are so scared stay home. Everyone thinks the sky is falling. If you wish to go then go if not stay home.
What goes on behind closed doors with two consenting adults is their business.
Cameras cannot be installed without a court order, and the owner would have to know what was going on because they have to be provided with a copy of the court order.
If you are stopped for an alleged traffic infraction only provide licenses, registration and insurance.
Do not answer any questions about your activities. You have the right to remain silent use it.
Or just state it was not me. We saw you leaving the place. Was not me.
Don't make their jobs easy make them prove you did something other than get a massage.
It is so simple to figure out.[/QUOTE]You may well be right. But depending on your situation, it's not about the legal fight. The embarrassment. Job loss, divorce, etc. Is the real penalty. I agree the legal case is shaky and a misdemeanor anyway, but that's not really the issue for most mongers I think.
[QUOTE=BeachBum15;4176706]Never thought of this before but now. Well doesn't seem as crazy as before. Has anyone considered or used camera or wifi detecting devices in the rooms? Looked some of the products up on the I-net with mixed reviews. Curious if these devices actually work in a real 'environment', which do work, if any and how best to use them if they do. Openly (has it's own merit) or secretively.[/QUOTE]Yes, they work if you get he right kind, I have used them before.
[QUOTE=Hapkido1947;4176910]Yes, they work if you get he right kind, I have used them before.[/QUOTE]This will work. And reasonable price. Still ned time to scan room ahead of time.
[URL]https://www.flir.com/products/flir-one-gen-3/?model=435-0005-02&pi_ad_id=%7Bcreative%7D&creative=174115010058&keyword=&matchtype=&network=g&device=c&gclid=Cj0KCQiAk-7jBRD9ARIsAEy8mh7W3XywcTNDqCgC03nnEg_f6SNQUU43oncvHLDefG1CI3zb82U-GycaAkuWEALw_wcB[/URL]
[QUOTE=James185;4177065]This will work. And reasonable price. Still ned time to scan room ahead of time.
[URL]https://www.flir.com/products/flir-one-gen-3/?model=435-0005-02&pi_ad_id=%7Bcreative%7D&creative=174115010058&keyword=&matchtype=&network=g&device=c&gclid=Cj0KCQiAk-7jBRD9ARIsAEy8mh7W3XywcTNDqCgC03nnEg_f6SNQUU43oncvHLDefG1CI3zb82U-GycaAkuWEALw_wcB[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0hUhNtR-sk[/URL]
[QUOTE=RatFish;4176892]You may well be right. But depending on your situation, it's not about the legal fight. The embarrassment. Job loss, divorce, etc. Is the real penalty. I agree the legal case is shaky and a misdemeanor anyway, but that's not really the issue for most mongers I think.[/QUOTE]I have a few friends outside the US that are single and have fun from time to time in their respective adult 'red light' areas.
They see the news about this from the links and seriously think it is a joke. I wish it was.
I think everyone here is fine with stopping human trafficking. But this kind of stuff seems to be more of a shaming tactic to scare the customers.
Either way we all know that this kind of stuff will only cause the whole industry to continue to go underground. Making everything more dangerous (especially for the providers).
[QUOTE=NeoRB25;4175145]I drove by KMS a little after 6 pm today. Open sign was on and had the front door propped open as looked like they were doing a little cleaning.[/QUOTE]Kms is definitely open! Yuki isn't back yet though! They do have a lot of other options though.
[QUOTE=Hapkido1947;4176910]Yes, they work if you get he right kind, I have used them before.[/QUOTE]Hap, can you recommend a product line or a url? Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Calsan13;4177254]Kms is definitely open! Yuki isn't back yet though! They do have a lot of other options though.[/QUOTE]Do you know if Vivian is currently there?
[URL]https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-ne-sneak-and-peek-warrants-20190301-story.html[/URL]
Big sign in front, "Grand Opening Coming Soon!
Instead of paying for sex, just give them hush money.
[QUOTE=Horsetrader;4178286]Instead of paying for sex, just give them hush money.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't that be paying them too?
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