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A friend of mine was a busted for the same thing years back and that is why I never go to AMP. With the connections between here and treasure coast, the ball will eventually drop in orange county and who knows what will happen. These people at the Asian places will turn on you for a lighter sentences and The trafficked women will be offered citizenshipcitizenship for testifying against you what do you think they will choose. Free citizenship or staying true to the game.

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[QUOTE=Pbwardy02;4170001]Been at this hobby for a while now. The writing is on the wall and if you get in trouble, its on you at this point moving forward. Stick to the indies and the few & far between american shops around town.

The AMP game has been compromised and I fear that the Kraft case is the tip of the iceberg. If you are an OG to this game, you know that what is being reported is accurate. Its shocking that it took RK getting caught to really put a spotlight to this issue. I knew a decade ago that AMP's getting away with what they do was only a matter of time. I'm taken aback the mainstream media took this long to jump on reporting the shady side of the business. Authorities are about to crack down hard on AMP up and down the east coast. GG closing for a while is smart of them and likely more will follow.[/QUOTE].

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[QUOTE=Pbwardy02;4170001]Been at this hobby for a while now. The writing is on the wall and if you get in trouble, its on you at this point moving forward. Stick to the indies and the few & far between american shops around town.

The AMP game has been compromised and I fear that the Kraft case is the tip of the iceberg. If you are an OG to this game, you know that what is being reported is accurate. Its shocking that it took RK getting caught to really put a spotlight to this issue. I knew a decade ago that AMP's getting away with what they do was only a matter of time. I'm taken aback the mainstream media took this long to jump on reporting the shady side of the business. Authorities are about to crack down hard on AMP up and down the east coast. GG closing for a while is smart of them and likely more will follow.[/QUOTE]What mainstream media should be reporting on is why a Judge or Judges signed off on law enforcement to A) call in a false bomb threat to a private business concern so they could; B) conduct video voyeurism. There should be a number of judges, police chiefs, and lower levels of LEO who should both lose their jobs and be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for committing those crimes. If government is allowed to get away with these crimes, then there is no place and no activity that can't be secretly recorded by them. If the government is truly worried about the well being of AMP workers that might be trafficked for nefarious purposes, then all they have to do is raid the place with INS or Border Patrol and ask for their papers. Anyone that answered "Yes, I'm being held here against my will and forced to have anonymous sex with strangers" should be taken into protective custody. Then, and only then, could an investigation begin to discover who is responsible for their being in that situation / condition.

Shaggy.

[QUOTE=Horsetrader;4169423]I'd be surprised if that trick ever works again. Every bomb scare that clears an AMP will be immediately followed by thorough search of the property. News on the Asian underground network travels fast. I expect that AMPs nationwide have already been checked.[/QUOTE]Maybe AMPs need to actively watch their shop after closing hours to make sure no one is entering their shop after closing and placing cameras etc.

[QUOTE=TapDisBong;4169994]Seems like the police and prosecutor are using the same play book they use in Seattle. Reel the public in with the headlines of Sex slavery and human trafficking getting the public on your side. But then you peel the layers off to find out it was just a bunch of working girls that want to make a buck. Wouldn't surprise me if Sawanee Hunt and her organization isn't behind funding this sting. Sucks for the dudes when they just want to get some relief.[/QUOTE]Dude, gtfo with that. There is 100% sex slavery in the AMP hustle. I'm a patron. I've gotten my beak wet countless times at an AMP. I recognize I am part of the problem of this larger issue. I just don't care. I'm a selfish asshole. That said, the issues raised here are not phony or a media hustle. It's very real. Asian sex slavery is a problem.

[QUOTE=Hamilton4;4168773]Just drove by GG and the place is closed with a note on the door. Didn't dare stop to see what it said but it's an empty lot and all the lights are out.[/QUOTE]Tokyo in Longwood is also closed with a note on the door. Says had to close my doors for a while or something to that effect.

[QUOTE=Pbwardy02;4170277]Dude, gtfo with that. There is 100% sex slavery in the AMP hustle. I'm a patron. I've gotten my beak wet countless times at an AMP. I recognize I am part of the problem of this larger issue. I just don't care. I'm a selfish asshole. That said, the issues raised here are not phony or a media hustle. It's very real. Asian sex slavery is a problem.[/QUOTE]So where's the trafficking here? The ladies could have left anytime. Nobody was stopping them. So you're saying the end demand folks don't work with cops and prosecutors to push there agenda? So are you also saying that you believe the cops and the here? I can point you to all the shit that was done in Seattle to show that it was just dog and pony show funded by End Demand people.

[QUOTE=Pbwardy02;4170277]There is 100% sex slavery in the AMP hustle.[/QUOTE]I have no idea what the percentage is, but I'm certain it isn't 100%.

Several years ago I got to know one of the Philadelphia AMP girls very well (outside the business). This was a Korean girl in a large all Korean AMP. During our many non-AMP times together she told many stories of that spa, I'm 100% confident that her AMP was not a sex slavery place. She and the other girls worked there by choice.

I have no doubts that some AMPs operate as described in recent published reports. It just isn't 100%.

I think most of us are already aware that attitudes of commercial sex in much of Asia are much different than in North America. It's not a highly regarded vocation, but it also isn't taboo as it is in North America.

Any of you boys know an AMP or even provider that does manscaping? Can be legit too LOL. Need the back and maybe other places shaved.

[QUOTE=Horsetrader;4170500]I have no idea what the percentage is, but I'm certain it isn't 100%.

Several years ago I got to know one of the Philadelphia AMP girls very well (outside the business). This was a Korean girl in a large all Korean AMP. During our many non-AMP times together she told many stories of that spa, I'm 100% confident that her AMP was not a sex slavery place. She and the other girls worked there by choice.

I have no doubts that some AMPs operate as described in recent published reports. It just isn't 100%.

I think most of us are already aware that attitudes of commercial sex in much of Asia are much different than in North America. It's not a highly regarded vocation, but it also isn't taboo as it is in North America.[/QUOTE]When I say 100% I mean that it absolutely occurs and that it's commonplace. Now that doesn't mean it's everywhere. In most AMP maybe. Definitely not all. I know of 2-3 places in Orlando that are not affiliated with any syndicates that are primarily AMP.

[QUOTE=SplitLickity1;4169779]They decided to close on their own. May open back up, who knows. Sad.[/QUOTE]Anyone try to call or text one of the girls? I know some of them gave out their cell numbers to certain clients.

So I'm sure it has all ready been asked but I'm not searching threw all the bs. But with the recent arrest in Jupiter IF and just IF the ladies at the Parlour were a licensed "massage therapist " and the police put cameras in the rooms wouldn't that fall under the privacy law for "medical reasons". Just wondering.

Stay safe.

Ok, it's already started. Went to the doctors today and got a new intern, Dr Cho, cute young Asian woman, could easily work at BO or GG, she bent over to get something off the floor and showed her ass off. Wanted to reach out grab a handful, but figured that wouldn't be a smart idea. Hopefully the heat won't be on for too long.

Bigstar1.

[QUOTE=MrOrlando;4170634]Anyone try to call or text one of the girls? I know some of them gave out their cell numbers to certain clients.[/QUOTE]No need to. I was there when they were getting ready to shut down. All of the girls went home. Everyone is ok.

[QUOTE=TapDisBong;4169994]Seems like the police and prosecutor are using the same play book they use in Seattle. Reel the public in with the headlines of Sex slavery and human trafficking getting the public on your side. But then you peel the layers off to find out it was just a bunch of working girls that want to make a buck. Wouldn't surprise me if Sawanee Hunt and her organization isn't behind funding this sting. Sucks for the dudes when they just want to get some relief.[/QUOTE]I knew some of the dudes from The League and some of the girls who got busted in Seattle in Jan2017. No way this was HT. Strictly entrepreneurs trying to make a better income in America. It is true that trafficking occurs and should be prosecuted but the neoabolishonists are trying to paint all pay for play with the broad brush of HT. Distinctions must be made based on the concept of consent. Just because a woman lives where she works and travels to other similar venues does not equal slavery. Anyone the least familiar with the Kgirl scene knows they are free agents. Political motives drive a lot of this as does puritanical religiosity. These are the same hard on types who brought you Sesta / fosta on similar disinformation.

The more they drive these women into the underground the worse their life will be.

[blue]Want to know what was really going on in Florida and why this broke when it did. It's no fucking surprise, they timed it to break three weeks in front of the election

[url]https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20190115/jupiter-mayor-faces-challenger-in-march-election[/url]

It's the same shit all over the world.

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[QUOTE=SplitLickity1;4170740]No need to. I was there when they were getting ready to shut down. All of the girls went home. Everyone is ok.[/QUOTE]Good to hear. Which place is this? GG or BO or Tokyo?

[QUOTE=Pbwardy02;4170277]Dude, gtfo with that. There is 100% sex slavery in the AMP hustle. I'm a patron. I've gotten my beak wet countless times at an AMP. I recognize I am part of the problem of this larger issue. I just don't care. I'm a selfish asshole. That said, the issues raised here are not phony or a media hustle. It's very real. Asian sex slavery is a problem.[/QUOTE]Not true. The girls come and go as they please. I've seen it happen--I've seen them quit and call a taxi and head to the bus station because they got mad for some reason. They go on vacations. They'll decide to take a shopping trip to NYC if they feel like it. They go back to the old country when they save up enough money for whatever it is they want to do. The girls peruse the ads online to see where spas are offering better deals, and they'll change bosses in heartbeat if they think it's to their advantage. Does sex slavery happen? Of course it does, but it's the rare exception in AMPs, not the rule.

[QUOTE=ShaggyJax;4170186]What mainstream media should be reporting on is why a Judge or Judges signed off on law enforcement to A) call in a false bomb threat to a private business concern so they could; B) conduct video voyeurism. There should be a number of judges, police chiefs, and lower levels of LEO who should both lose their jobs and be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for committing those crimes. If government is allowed to get away with these crimes, then there is no place and no activity that can't be secretly recorded by them. If the government is truly worried about the well being of AMP workers that might be trafficked for nefarious purposes, then all they have to do is raid the place with INS or Border Patrol and ask for their papers. Anyone that answered "Yes, I'm being held here against my will and forced to have anonymous sex with strangers" should be taken into protective custody. Then, and only then, could an investigation begin to discover who is responsible for their being in that situation / condition.

Shaggy.[/QUOTE]Big Brother is watching you!

[QUOTE=Jokester1;4170828]Not true. The girls come and go as they please. I've seen it happen--I've seen them quit and call a taxi and head to the bus station because they got mad for some reason. They go on vacations. They'll decide to take a shopping trip to NYC if they feel like it. They go back to the old country when they save up enough money for whatever it is they want to do. The girls peruse the ads online to see where spas are offering better deals, and they'll change bosses in heartbeat if they think it's to their advantage. Does sex slavery happen? Of course it does, but it's the rare exception in AMPs, not the rule.[/QUOTE]I wonder if some of this is by nationality. I wonder if there is some differences between Korean, Chinese, and other AMPs. The girls I talked to all were doing it for something. Several were going to school. Others for just the money. But I have never gotten the impression they were doing it unwillingly, quite the opposite actually. All were here willingly as far as I could tell and would use up their visa then go home for awhile then come back. Some have apartments some do not, but if they were staying in the business I was told it was to save money. I have seen them out as a group at a sushi place down the street laughing up a storm having fun. I've even had the mamasan try to get me to take one of the girls out, if they are trafficking I doubt they would try that. Now I'm not the most experienced monger and have only gone to a few places. But nothing I have seen seems remotely like sex slavery, just pros from another country.

[blue]Hookers eating sushi as a group doesn't win elections, they were poor unfortunate women forced to live in squalor and suck old fat guys cocks for a living.

[url]https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20190115/jupiter-mayor-faces-challenger-in-march-election[/url]

That on the other hand does win elections.

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[QUOTE=SplitLickity1;4170740]No need to. I was there when they were getting ready to shut down. All of the girls went home. Everyone is ok.[/QUOTE]But I actually meant to see if they were seeing clients on the side? Maybe they've got a incall? (Don't hate me, I'm horny LOL).

[QUOTE=ShaggyJax;4170186]What mainstream media should be reporting on is why a Judge or Judges signed off on law enforcement to A) call in a false bomb threat to a private business concern so they could; B) conduct video voyeurism. There should be a number of judges, police chiefs, and lower levels of LEO who should both lose their jobs and be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for committing those crimes. If government is allowed to get away with these crimes, then there is no place and no activity that can't be secretly recorded by them. If the government is truly worried about the well being of AMP workers that might be trafficked for nefarious purposes, then all they have to do is raid the place with INS or Border Patrol and ask for their papers. Anyone that answered "Yes, I'm being held here against my will and forced to have anonymous sex with strangers" should be taken into protective custody. Then, and only then, could an investigation begin to discover who is responsible for their being in that situation / condition.

Shaggy.[/QUOTE]This. How the hell can installing surveillance cameras in an AMP justify committing a crime (a felony, no less)? I mean, if a civilian called in a fake bomb threat, they'd be facing some serious time, not in jail, but in prison. Yet, here the cops are allowed to do it and, evidently, it's A-OK. I don't get it.

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[QUOTE=ShaggyJax;4170186]What mainstream media should be reporting on is why a Judge or Judges signed off on law enforcement to A) call in a false bomb threat to a private business concern so they could; B) conduct video voyeurism. There should be a number of judges, police chiefs, and lower levels of LEO who should both lose their jobs and be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for committing those crimes. If government is allowed to get away with these crimes, then there is no place and no activity that can't be secretly recorded by them. If the government is truly worried about the well being of AMP workers that might be trafficked for nefarious purposes, then all they have to do is raid the place with INS or Border Patrol and ask for their papers. Anyone that answered "Yes, I'm being held here against my will and forced to have anonymous sex with strangers" should be taken into protective custody. Then, and only then, could an investigation begin to discover who is responsible for their being in that situation / condition.

Shaggy.[/QUOTE]If they were so concerned about the victims, how many trafficked girls came and went in the months and months that this farce of an investigation went on? I haven't seen any numbers of how many victims were saved. I hope Bob Kraft and his high powered attorney tear them a new one. No way what they did should be legal. If so, the Constitution and our civil rights just took a major hit.

[QUOTE=PFish1;4170305]Tokyo in Longwood is also closed with a note on the door. Says had to close my doors for a while or something to that effect.[/QUOTE]I was told that Tokyo is being renovated and will reopen soon. It has been closed since about February 10.

Drove by You late yesterday and place looked open for business.

Dreamt I Went to this place which has recently changed owners / management. Was strictly non erotic beofre but go see Coco. Nice asian girl, mid 30's, cute face and a bit thicker than your average asian provider. Poor command of the language but she can get by. She is very discreet and awkward at first with no brazen flirting up front. EXCELLENT massage skills. On the flip, I made the "HE" sign and she giggled and shook her her head "no. " With a little more VERY quiet coaxing she rolled her eyes, made the "SHHHHHH" sign with her finger to her lips and proceeded to take care of things. Definitely nothing else on the menu. I've been back several times for the great massage skills and its gotten much better and more relaxed. 70 mario coins for the hr and. 50 for the efffort which was an excellent super deep tissue massage. YMMV. Cheeers!

[QUOTE=MrOrlando;4170887]But I actually meant to see if they were seeing clients on the side? Maybe they've got a incall? (Don't hate me, I'm horny LOL).[/QUOTE]They were just really freaked out by all of the recent busts and decided to bail. It would have been nice if they would have stayed and worked on their own but unfortunately they did not. Hopefully they will be back. Someday.

[QUOTE=MrOrlando;4170634]Anyone try to call or text one of the girls? I know some of them gave out their cell numbers to certain clients.[/QUOTE]I have reached out to a number of the girls that are friends of mine and I text and chat with on a regular basis. I have been a monger for 10 ish years and have gf's from Florida to RI, CT, NYC and in a few central states. All of them are on alert and checking their establishments. Newbies and novice players that the girls aren't familiar with will be getting massage only for the near future.

As a response to some of the other comments on here about human trafficking and what not. I am good friends with 3 people that are owners of multiple AMPs. None of them are into trafficking girls for sex. The girls are able to come and go as they please and work for anyone they have as contacts in the business. All of the ones I know are doing it for the money and most are sending money back home to their families that were left behind. Most all the girls are also getting medical check ups on a regular basis. Haven't you ever wondered why they "go on vacation" to NYC or LA on a regular basis? It gives them some down time and time for the Dr's visit. They are usually back in a week to 10 days.

Business will be back and booming again in the future. Enjoy your vacation time fella's!

[QUOTE=Cowboee;4171386]I have reached out to a number of the girls that are friends of mine and I text and chat with on a regular basis. I have been a monger for 10 ish years and have gf's from Florida to RI, CT, NYC and in a few central states. All of them are on alert and checking their establishments. Newbies and novice players that the girls aren't familiar with will be getting massage only for the near future.

As a response to some of the other comments on here about human trafficking and what not. I am good friends with 3 people that are owners of multiple AMPs. None of them are into trafficking girls for sex. The girls are able to come and go as they please and work for anyone they have as contacts in the business. All of the ones I know are doing it for the money and most are sending money back home to their families that were left behind. Most all the girls are also getting medical check ups on a regular basis. Haven't you ever wondered why they "go on vacation" to NYC or LA on a regular basis? It gives them some down time and time for the Dr's visit. They are usually back in a week to 10 days.

Business will be back and booming again in the future. Enjoy your vacation time fella's![/QUOTE]Sir, hats off to you. Great commentary on the real world. My 3-4 special relationships confirm everything you said--they come and go as they please, they go home for months at a time, they change cities because they have a friend who has a friend says this place looking for a new girl, "mo momey, mo betta" and they're gone. Boss finds a willing replacement in half a day. The sex slave claim is total bs. Can't deny it doesn't exist but not at some bullshit strip mall store. My guess is that the trafficking girls end up as club property for some UTR Asian guy group. Just my 2 cents.

And check if they were opened and they are closed the sign says they are closed temporarily for water damage sorry for the inconvenience. Was going to swing by Bo bye there was four cars there, and I didn't want to end up with a couple that I don't care for.

Gone pretty quiet here is everyone good? No contact from the uncles for anyone so far?

[QUOTE=JustForRubs;4172381]Gone pretty quiet here is everyone good? No contact from the uncles for anyone so far?[/QUOTE]Just as an aside: A couple of years ago I saw someone I know from the DC area at one of the Florida spas that was recently busted (she goes to Florida to work winters). We had a nice time, but she didn't like it there because it was more like a house than a real spa and didn't get much business. So she answered a few ads and found a much better place that even gives a bigger share of the house fee to the girls. Now she's VERY glad she left. Now she's worried she might have to leave Florida--she likes her current location very much as she's a beach lover and she can take time off during slow periods to do whatever. She's been able to spend more time at the beach (just 5 minutes from the spa by Uber; 30 minutes walking on a nice day) than usual the past couple of weeks. But her income has dropped sharply. I'm glad she's no longer at the original place, too, as I visited her recently.

Anyone been to KMS the past couple weeks since everything went down? Are they open?

With all these local AMP's closing and then reopening it definitely raises some internal questions for me. I drove by GG twice on Sunday and there were no cars in the parking lot and then they're suddenly closed on Monday for water damage? Sorry that doesn't smell right to me. Same thing with Tokyo. They're renovating? In all my years of enjoying this hobby I've never come across anything like this. Not to mention that CB is reopening it doors shortly. They have a Grand Opening Coming Soon sign hanging on the old CB sign. Not trying to create fear here but I'm concerned that LEO could be setting up surveillance for an Orange County sting. I don't know this to be accurate nor have I heard this from any fellow Mongers just something for us to think about. As for me I won't be going to any those locations once the reopen their doors. Curious what some of you fellow Mongers think.

Be smart and safe!

This is my favorite go to place. Last visit was 2 weeks ago. Went there today at 2 pm. The place is now closed. There is a note on the door saying that they are undergoing repairs and will re open tomorrow. Think everyone is spooked.

Has anybody visited a AMP in the Casselberry Altamonte or lake Mary since all the issues going on. If so where. If not does anybody know of a independent that does massages at a reasonable rate?

Thanks be safe.

Anyone been to Luxsa lately? They didn't pick up when I called. Hopefully they are still open.

There's a threaded side bar link on Orlando Rub Maps entitled "Kraft Cleared". Guy doesn't leave his sources but says stop illegal among a few others. Like its been said, "Money talks and bullshit walks."

All of the closures could also be owners deciding to take a few days to tear their buildings apart and make sure they don't have any law enforcement cameras in there. That is what I would do.

[QUOTE=Hamilton4;4173301]With all these local AMP's closing and then reopening it definitely raises some internal questions for me. I drove by GG twice on Sunday and there were no cars in the parking lot and then they're suddenly closed on Monday for water damage? Sorry that doesn't smell right to me. Same thing with Tokyo. They're renovating? In all my years of enjoying this hobby I've never come across anything like this. Not to mention that CB is reopening it doors shortly. They have a Grand Opening Coming Soon sign hanging on the old CB sign. Not trying to create fear here but I'm concerned that LEO could be setting up surveillance for an Orange County sting. I don't know this to be accurate nor have I heard this from any fellow Mongers just something for us to think about. As for me I won't be going to any those locations once the reopen their doors. Curious what some of you fellow Mongers think.

Be smart and safe![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Joeblow300;4174136]All of the closures could also be owners deciding to take a few days to tear their buildings apart and make sure they don't have any law enforcement cameras in there. That is what I would do.[/QUOTE]You make a great point, I hadn't thought of that and you're right I suppose I would do the same thing if I were one of the owners.

[QUOTE=JustForRubs;4172381]Gone pretty quiet here is everyone good? No contact from the uncles for anyone so far?[/QUOTE]I would imagine that if anyone heard from thier uncle, they would be very afraid to post it. So not hearing is not always a good sign. I do agree that some of these places are closed for security checks and camera proofing. At least I hope that is what they are doing.