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[QUOTE=WasLance;5968124]Is this the hobbyist version of the crazy / hot matrix?[/QUOTE]This is pretty close to my numbers. Anything less than $400 is normally some sort of shitshow. I think at $400 you weed out ugly crazy bitches and by $600 you start getting professionalism in general. Not sure about over 1 k unless you get 90 min, multi pops and anything pretty much goes.
[QUOTE=SlixNik;5967963]Exactly! I'm new to this, having only started to see providers at the beginning of the year, but I've already figured out that 600 is my limit. I've only seen a few that charged more, and the experience wasn't any different than those at 600. Based on what I've seen so far, 400 is the base for the higher-end girls (might be attractive but low effort), 500 is a good middle (attractive with average effort), and 600 is the sweet spot (attractive, affectionate, and fun). When I see some of the outrageously priced ads I wonder what they do different to justify it?[/QUOTE]I'm thinking the extra might come from being 1) younger and 2) a body type that isn't seen often in the hobby these days.
I don't mind paying $800 but only if it's a good experience. I'm hesitant because of the deposit, and I'm not sure if she's in the 'attractive, affectionate, and fun' category. Could just be a case of GPS.
[QUOTE=SlixNik;5967963]Exactly! I'm new to this, having only started to see providers at the beginning of the year, but I've already figured out that 600 is my limit. I've only seen a few that charged more, and the experience wasn't any different than those at 600. Based on what I've seen so far, 400 is the base for the higher-end girls (might be attractive but low effort), 500 is a good middle (attractive with average effort), and 600 is the sweet spot (attractive, affectionate, and fun). When I see some of the outrageously priced ads I wonder what they do different to justify it?[/QUOTE]When I was new to the hobby those were the prices that I was paying also. What I learned over time is that it's not worth it to go over 300 per hr and for most ladies it's not worth it to go over 200 per hr. Going higher or lower more often than not yields poor service for the money spent.
"Higher class women" often come with too many rules, "lower class women" often come with too many rules. You just need to do of research. Try to stick to the cute ones in smaller cities / towns and build some rapport with them. After a dream or two you can almost always get the lady to open up and offer things that she may not offer new clients. And depending on the rapport for no extra funds and sometimes even a discounted rate for being a repeat client. But it takes some research and a little bit of good rapport, and an understanding that the good ones in my experience only do this for 2 maybe 3 hrs then they get out of the life. So enjoy the good ones while you can. But I would never go back to spending that kind of money on any provider.
[QUOTE=Colapo9421;5968392]When I was new to the hobby those were the prices that I was paying also. What I learned over time is that it's not worth it to go over 300 per hr and for most ladies it's not worth it to go over 200 per hr. Going higher or lower more often than not yields poor service for the money spent.
"Higher class women" often come with too many rules, "lower class women" often come with too many rules. You just need to do of research. Try to stick to the cute ones in smaller cities / towns and build some rapport with them. After a dream or two you can almost always get the lady to open up and offer things that she may not offer new clients. And depending on the rapport for no extra funds and sometimes even a discounted rate for being a repeat client. But it takes some research and a little bit of good rapport, and an understanding that the good ones in my experience only do this for 2 maybe 3 hrs then they get out of the life. So enjoy the good ones while you can. But I would never go back to spending that kind of money on any provider.[/QUOTE]Everyone has their 'type' they are willing to pay more for. I don't know who you're seeing for $200 an hour these days but I'd rather take care of myself then see any girl that I've seen advertise for $200 on any website in the St. Louis area in the last 2 years. IMO the whole point of paying is to get a girl you couldn't normally get.
[QUOTE=Lucky697;5968114]Having experienced a few of the Vixens; they are a refreshing breath of fresh air in St. Louis. Always fun, totally into experiences that will keep you coming back with great communication and punctuality. Go see any of them and enjoy![/QUOTE]I thought there was a separate section for ads.
[QUOTE=Colapo9421;5968392]When I was new to the hobby those were the prices that I was paying also. What I learned over time is that it's not worth it to go over 300 per hr and for most ladies it's not worth it to go over 200 per hr. Going higher or lower more often than not yields poor service for the money spent.
"Higher class women" often come with too many rules, "lower class women" often come with too many rules. You just need to do of research. Try to stick to the cute ones in smaller cities / towns and build some rapport with them. After a dream or two you can almost always get the lady to open up and offer things that she may not offer new clients. And depending on the rapport for no extra funds and sometimes even a discounted rate for being a repeat client. But it takes some research and a little bit of good rapport, and an understanding that the good ones in my experience only do this for 2 maybe 3 hrs then they get out of the life. So enjoy the good ones while you can. But I would never go back to spending that kind of money on any provider.[/QUOTE]Having experienced a wide range of providers over the years, I can say that some of the best experiences have been with providers in the $200-$300 range. I've spent much more and while I haven't been disappointed per se, there was some level of regret thinking "I could have just paid $250 for so and so. " For me, $300 is the top end as I never felt it was worth it paying more with any provider. There are a lot of the best providers in St. Louis that fall in that range and just too much GPS in the higher price ranges in my experience.
[QUOTE=SouthCityGuySt;5969067]Having experienced a wide range of providers over the years, I can say that some of the best experiences have been with providers in the $200-$300 range. I've spent much more and while I haven't been disappointed per se, there was some level of regret thinking "I could have just paid $250 for so and so. " For me, $300 is the top end as I never felt it was worth it paying more with any provider. There are a lot of the best providers in St. Louis that fall in that range and just too much GPS in the higher price ranges in my experience.[/QUOTE]To each their own. My best and continued experience is in Chicago at 450 with amazing service, gorgeous, phenomenal body, 3 holes and not a clock in site.
[QUOTE=SouthCityGuySt;5969067]Having experienced a wide range of providers over the years, I can say that some of the best experiences have been with providers in the $200-$300 range. I've spent much more and while I haven't been disappointed per se, there was some level of regret thinking "I could have just paid $250 for so and so. " For me, $300 is the top end as I never felt it was worth it paying more with any provider. There are a lot of the best providers in St. Louis that fall in that range and just too much GPS in the higher price ranges in my experience.[/QUOTE]How many years have you been seeing escorts? I've been doing it for around 20 years now and while I agree the sweet spot for me had been around 300, in the last few years I've had to raise that to 400. Which I know some escorts who had been at 300 for a long time and now have raised their rates some. From their point of view 300 just doesn't go as far as it used to go to pay their regular bills and their costs of doing business like it used to.
[QUOTE=StlGamerDude;5968498]Everyone has their 'type' they are willing to pay more for. I don't know who you're seeing for $200 an hour these days but I'd rather take care of myself then see any girl that I've seen advertise for $200 on any website in the St. Louis area in the last 2 years. IMO the whole point of paying is to get a girl you couldn't normally get.[/QUOTE]100% agree with this. I haven't gotten into paying $600+ yet, but I stick with traveling Eros girls for $350-$450. I personally don't see the point of paying for the girls less than that (with a few exceptions, but it's rare in STL). There's something deeply unsettling to me about paying to fuck a 5. Or worse.
[QUOTE=YoungSkeez77;5969230]100% agree with this. I haven't gotten into paying $600+ yet, but I stick with traveling Eros girls for $350-$450. I personally don't see the point of paying for the girls less than that (with a few exceptions, but it's rare in STL). There's something deeply unsettling to me about paying to fuck a 5. Or worse.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I just got back from Orlando and $200 is a phenomenal experience from an 7 or 8 Asian. Then in Rio $31 was an 9 or 10 with all and I mean all included.
[QUOTE=SouthCityGuySt;5969067]Having experienced a wide range of providers over the years, I can say that some of the best experiences have been with providers in the $200-$300 range. I've spent much more and while I haven't been disappointed per se, there was some level of regret thinking "I could have just paid $250 for so and so. " For me, $300 is the top end as I never felt it was worth it paying more with any provider. There are a lot of the best providers in St. Louis that fall in that range and just too much GPS in the higher price ranges in my experience.[/QUOTE]I will add that my experiences over 8 hrs have been in Vegas (the worst), NYC (third worst), Seattle (2nd best for me) Dayton, Cincinnati, Columbus Ohio tri city area (my number 1) and now St. Louis (2nd worst for me).
Being in Ohio was great for being a monger. This area sux in comparison by a long shot in terms of rate to quality of the dream.
[QUOTE=SouthCityGuySt;5969067]Having experienced a wide range of providers over the years, I can say that some of the best experiences have been with providers in the $200-$300 range. I've spent much more and while I haven't been disappointed per se, there was some level of regret thinking "I could have just paid $250 for so and so. " For me, $300 is the top end as I never felt it was worth it paying more with any provider. There are a lot of the best providers in St. Louis that fall in that range and just too much GPS in the higher price ranges in my experience.[/QUOTE]Angelina Fox was 250 hhr and it was total GFE full service without question. Google her name as an escort and you'll see the photos. No upsell BS either. Better than any of the Vixens by far. Amazing for a girl who barely speaks the language. Due back later this year. Meanwhile I'm seeing others from the same company posting ads. Not many in that price range but some are. And then there's Remy. Not everyone's preference but half the price and another no bullshit GFE. I always use a cover even they don't requse it. So again, not for everyone tastes but they seem to understand the value of good customers.
[QUOTE=StlGamerDude;5967329][URL]https://tryst.link/escort/littlered[/URL]
Anyone plan on seeing her or is that just out of price range for most people?[/QUOTE]Was still deciding if I wanted to see her and I noticed on her twitter she said some client said she had reviews on TER (I can't find them) that all said she had GPS. Well glad she saved me the trouble of spending double what I'd usually spend.
[QUOTE=FScott1984;5965736]Met with Parker and Ivy a few weeks ago and it was off the charts. These women love what they do and each other and it shows.
My favorite new position they taught me is the Triangle where Parker sat on my cock and Ivy sat on my face and I could hear them making out while I made them happy from below. It was definitely one of my all time favorite sessions in the hobby.
I just saw they are doing 4 Hand this week on their Snapchat. I'm going to definitely retry that this week plus just found out about Doggy Deluxe is on the menu too.
Just can't wait to see them this week.[/QUOTE]I saw these two ladies today and it was an excellent visit. I've seen Parker many times in the past but this was my first visit with Ivy. I have to say she also does an excellent job of kissing and oral which are my favorite activities. Will definitely see them again and probably sooner rather than later!
[QUOTE=Apache77;5971111]I saw these two ladies today and it was an excellent visit. I've seen Parker many times in the past but this was my first visit with Ivy. I have to say she also does an excellent job of kissing and oral which are my favorite activities. Will definitely see them again and probably sooner rather than later![/QUOTE]I have received some of the best recommendations from Apache. Cheers!