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Looks like the people that broke into AM have dumped their data into a torrent.

I've most of the data now, and well some people are screwed. The dump includes EVERY credit card transaction since March of 2008, outside emails, and profile details. It doesn't look like it includes pics as far as I can tell. The dump is 9 GB and is still downloading.

This is a good time to remind everyone that good operational security goes a long way. It's difficult, but can save your ass. Always use a gift card, and have a email account that can't be directly traced back to you.

Good luck to anyone who has a SO and used their real CC.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2585153]Looks like the people that broke into AM have dumped their data into a torrent.
I've most of the data now, and well some people are screwed. [/QUOTE]I'd say AM is pretty screwed too. I wonder what their member attrition rate looks like since all of this.

Also wonder how it will affect the SD scene. It can happen on any site, we can be sure this won't be the last time.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2584881]The more you score the more you wh*re.[/QUOTE]I did not really even start sleeping around until I was in my 40's. Now in my fifties the count is well into the hundreds. I was able to 12 step alcohol, but stopping chasing young poon has been much more difficult. It doesn't help that they keep coming back. In the last week, I was sent naked pictures, unsolicited, by 2 women in their 20's. One was an old babe, one was a friend of an old babe. (I say old. They were both in college) I have not spoken to either in months, both want to hook up.

I get what Jeez said about the comfort and security of one woman and commitment, I like that. I also like firm natural tits and wet pussy's Guess the devil set up camp on my shoulder to whisper to me all the time.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2585261]I did not really even start sleeping around until I was in my 40's. Now in my fifties the count is well into the hundreds. I was able to 12 step alcohol, but stopping chasing young poon has been much more difficult. It doesn't help that they keep coming back. In the last week, I was sent naked pictures, unsolicited, by 2 women in their 20's. One was an old babe, one was a friend of an old babe. (I say old. They were both in college) I have not spoken to either in months, both want to hook up.

I get what Jeez said about the comfort and security of one woman and commitment, I like that. I also like firm natural tits and wet pussy's Guess the devil set up camp on my shoulder to whisper to me all the time.[/QUOTE]I was in that other fellowship for 4 years 17+ years ago. Until I graduated. LOL.

This is so much healthier.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2584759]...We ASS-ume that every guy is like we are and seeks to screw any girl remotely in his taste range at any time. All we need is a place -right? In fact, I would argue that many if not most seek stability and the marital home fire rather than a life of debauchery...[/QUOTE]I want the warmth and security of family but also want to "play" because there has been no sex after the final child who is now 7. I know that is no excuse for infidelity but what to do it will take some much work to be a "normal" couple.

There is / was a TV show where the woman is too busy with her work and children that she has no time / interest in sex. Dang! All these fancy schmancy web search engines did not help maybe one of you can remember!

Reminder if you are new. We have a SB list going for the people in the DC / MD / NoVA area. PM me for details.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2585261]
I get what Jeez said about the comfort and security of one woman and commitment, I like that. I also like firm natural tits and wet pussy's Guess the devil set up camp on my shoulder to whisper to me all the time.[/QUOTE]I guess in one sense it is a matter of comfort and security. I think its more than this, however. In fact with my current GF I couldn't say comfort or secure is really how I look at things. It's more like a house of cards that gets built and the idea is to keep it going as long as possible, knowing the threat of it crashing down (due to my love for variety) is always threatening it. I'm one of those that believe that the moment we become complacent, we become stupid -- so I try not to allow myself to get too comfortable with things that are important to me.

When I was civy dating and had someone new every week or two, I felt like that's my natural habitat. But it became monotonous and felt like being on an endless hamster wheel (a fun hamster wheel no less, but a predictable one). The individual moments of sex were great, cumming is always fun. LOL. But I knew that the first fuck or two would be the best, then I would need to discard whoever the girl was and move on, that she would be disappointed or feel used or whatever and that I would have to move on to the next girl to get the same thrill. Some girls were good at no-strings fucking but most of them wanted or expected more from me. So that got old, and simultaneously I started to miss having someone whose company I truly enjoyed to do the little things in life with (I. E. Going to a concert or a daytrip somewhere or just staying home and watching a movie).

Believe me though if I were the type that didn't start getting laid until late in life I could understand a different perspective on all this. I'm the opposite of that, my womanizing started at a young age. So most of my wild oats were sown and I needed the "next frontier" I guess.

So what are the price points you have encountered when they indicate minimal, practical, moderate and negotiable. I'd like to limit my searches to avoid wasting my time with GPS and don't want to contribute to p*ssy inflation. PM would be appreciated.

What's up with the ones who have been online a long time and have no info on what they like or want? UTR?

The latest reports seem to indicate that this is yet another scam data dump:

"There's definitely not credit card information, because we don't store that," Bhatia said. "We use transaction IDs, just like every other PCI compliant merchant processor.

If there is full credit card data in a dump, it's not from us, because we don't even have that. When someone completes a payment, what happens is from our payment processor.

We get a transaction I'd back. That's the only piece of information linking to a customer or consumer of ours.

If someone is releasing credit card data, that's not from us. We don't have that in our databases or our own systems. ".

[URL]https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/08/was-the-ashley-madison-database-leaked/[/URL]

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2585153]Looks like the people that broke into AM have dumped their data into a torrent.

I've most of the data now, and well some people are screwed. The dump includes EVERY credit card transaction since March of 2008, outside emails, and profile details. It doesn't look like it includes pics as far as I can tell. The dump is 9 GB and is still downloading.

This is a good time to remind everyone that good operational security goes a long way. It's difficult, but can save your ass. Always use a gift card, and have a email account that can't be directly traced back to you.

Good luck to anyone who has a SO and used their real CC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2585878]So what are the price points you have encountered when they indicate minimal, practical, moderate and negotiable. I'd like to limit my searches to avoid wasting my time with GPS and don't want to contribute to p*ssy inflation. PM would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Women put what they want but that doesn't mean they won't take less. Work your game and ignore the levels.

BAM.

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2585959]What's up with the ones who have been online a long time and have no info on what they like or want? UTR?[/QUOTE]The UTR ones tend to have more info and pics. In my experience, the empty ones are either lazy, don't care or inarticulate. Regardless which one, they're a waste of time. Just move to the next.

BAM.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2585303]I want the warmth and security of family but also want to "play" because there has been no sex after the final child who is now 7. I know that is no excuse for infidelity but what to do it will take some much work to be a "normal" couple.

![/QUOTE]There is NO excuse for a woman denying sex to her SO for any reason other than a valid health problem. No Excuse!

The caveat is that a relationship is a 2 way street and women -SOs -particularly -are not blow up sex dolls. So effort has to be made to make one's wife feel loved and desired for her "sexy" self, and not as a sperm dumpster. If you are fat and ugly-a slob, don't make an effort to groom, bathe, and make yourself attractive, then your partner might not be attracted to you anymore. But she is stuck because of the kids and money. So-if you would be happy with your SO taking care of you then make an effort to get in shape ,woo her, go to counseling, and try to make the best of it all at home. But if you are doing all that and the SO still won't respect your needs, then it is all on her. Go off and supplement her with a rental unit.

I put more weight into what they say in their profile about being spoiled and treated like the "queen" or "princess" "that I know I am". If they talk mostly all things they want without what they offer than I tend to move on. Many don't understand the allowance expectations. I've had several with moderate to high expectations on their profile that were ultimately very reasonable.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2585878]So what are the price points you have encountered when they indicate minimal, practical, moderate and negotiable. I'd like to limit my searches to avoid wasting my time with GPS and don't want to contribute to p*ssy inflation. PM would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2582454]JL alluded to the financial aspects of divorce, which are substantial in most cases. Only if you married up -or at least even, can you escape with your ASS-ets. She understands you enough to give you the pass and realize that no sex is a deal breaker, but when you dump her all bets might be off.

I realize that if I divorced I would not have enough left to Sugar. How bad would that be? Free to play and no money to pay? The worst of all worlds -outside looking in.

The only reason to leave would be the desire to have another crack at an IRL relationship. The bottom line is -we all get tired of the same pussy after awhile -no matter how great it is. Biology dictates that we go out and spread the seed far and wide.[/QUOTE]Guys I appreciate the feedback. I actually asked her for a divorce in May and she wants to keep the marriage. She asked me to work through the issues over the summer. We have made some good progress. However some issues remain unresolved. I know I am tossing something good. However, I do not like being underground. Our marriage was built on more than that. I would rather leave and take it on the chin than keep sneaking around for the next 20 years. I am to the point where I want to take a SB away for the weekend, and I'd have to tell the wife, hey honey stay home, it's a business retreat. Don't want to live like that. Rather go our separate ways and try to be friends.

Financially, my risk is limited in a divorce. No kids. No substantial assets and she does not qualify for alimony because she has good job skills and earns equal to me. We live in a no fault divorce state. The biggest pain will be selling our house, splitting any equity, etc.

However all that being said, I think this is good advice you guys are giving. Don't jump the gun, Don't throw a way a good thing and Clear your head of the hot pussy before making any big decisions. Thanks for speaking up.

If any of you are interested. I created a blog on this story line starting in April.

[URL]www.theunexpectedhobbyist.com[/URL]

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