Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

It's crazy how this whole deal morphed into one guy verses the forum it can get that way in a hurry. Even a couple providers had a say one in particular had a lot to say. I don't know Kid Kuddi but I'll say he is active on this forum he post he just doesn't post the way most on this forum wants him to post. I also think the piling on fueled a lot of the things that he came back with. It's like if you're backed in the corner you come out swinging. As I said I'm not condoning some of what he said but I bet most of it was out of anger (Chrissy Lynn). And I bet most of us me included would have to go back a few pages to see how all this started. I've put a couple guys on the ignore list one was for personal attacks against me the other was trolling me. I've never put anyone on ignore because I didn't agree with what he wrote believed or his writing style hell if I did that one bit of information I ignored could possibly help me or even save my life. I can't tell anyone what to do and I'm not now all I'm saying is this went crazy on one guy and just think how you would react if people were coming at you from all angles. Providers have a right to see who they want as guys in a forum looking for safe ways to buy sex is it really good to ignore anyone who might have pertinent information? I'm just saying. HL29.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3839025]It's crazy how this whole deal morphed into one guy verses the forum it can get that way in a hurry. Even a couple providers had a say one in particular had a lot to say. I don't know Kid Kuddi but I'll say he is active on this forum he post he just doesn't post the way most on this forum wants him to post. I also think the piling on fueled a lot of the things that he came back with. It's like if you're backed in the corner you come out swinging. As I said I'm not condoning some of what he said but I bet most of it was out of anger (Chrissy Lynn). And I bet most of us me included would have to go back a few pages to see how all this started. I've put a couple guys on the ignore list one was for personal attacks against me the other was trolling me. I've never put anyone on ignore because I didn't agree with what he wrote believed or his writing style hell if I did that one bit of information I ignored could possibly help me or even save my life. I can't tell anyone what to do and I'm not now all I'm saying is this went crazy on one guy and just think how you would react if people were coming at you from all angles. Providers have a right to see who they want as guys in a forum looking for safe ways to buy sex is it really good to ignore anyone who might have pertinent information? I'm just saying. HL29.[/QUOTE]While I don't agree with everything he said, He has shared useful intel that I've found accurate for awhile now. He is one of the dozen or so guys who regularly post useful intel. I'm not blocking him over a minor spat. I come hear for intel not commentary.

[B]Rod's Rhetorical Provider Quiz #1[/B]

[B]You have an 8:30 AM date (a first date) with Rod.[/B] You have vetted him and he has texted you to expect him by 8:30 AM.

You receive a text at 8:25 AM - "[I][u]Hi, it's Rod. I am in the parking lot. Please text the room # so we can begin our 8:30 AM date.[/u][/I]".

You are there, but are not fully prepared for his visit yet. If you rush, you'll be fully ready by 8:40 AM. Realistically, somewhat later. [B]What do you text him?[/B].

[I]You text, "[u]Rod, I'm running late. I'll text you the number in ten minutes. Promise![/u]"


You text, "[u]Running late[/u]".


You text at 8:35 AM ... "[u]Room 240[/u]"


You text right away ... "[u]Room 240[/u]" and let him in ... Get ready while he is waiting for you inside you room.
This way his time starts at 8:30 AM because you gave him the room # by 8:30 AM.


You text right away ... "[u]Room 240[/u]" and let him in ... Then you apologize for not being ready, and let him know that his time won't start until you are in that bed with him ...[/I]

[B]You don't need the pressure. It's only $100 for a half hour. Big deal. You block his number and forget about the date.[/B]

[QUOTE=RDangerfield;3840120][B]Rod's Rhetorical Provider Quiz #1[/B]

[B]You have an 8:30 AM date (a first date) with Rod.[/B] You have vetted him and he has texted you to expect him by 8:30 AM.

You receive a text at 8:25 AM - "[I][u]Hi, it's Rod. I am in the parking lot. Please text the room # so we can begin our 8:30 AM date.[/u][/I]".

You are there, but are not fully prepared for his visit yet. If you rush, you'll be fully ready by 8:40 AM. Realistically, somewhat later. [B]What do you text him?[/B].

[I]You text, "[u]Rod, I'm running late. I'll text you the number in ten minutes. Promise![/u]"


You text, "[u]Running late[/u]".


You text at 8:35 AM ... "[u]Room 240[/u]"


You text right away ... "[u]Room 240[/u]" and let him in ... Get ready while he is waiting for you inside you room.
This way his time starts at 8:30 AM because you gave him the room # by 8:30 AM.


You text right away ... "[u]Room 240[/u]" and let him in ... Then you apologize for not being ready, and let him know that his time won't start until you are in that bed with him ...[/I]

[B]You don't need the pressure. It's only $100 for a half hour. Big deal. You block his number and forget about the date.[/B][/QUOTE]And the answer is. [B] ... a good provider would never be in that situation [/B].

[B][red] A good provider plans well and is [u]always[/u] on time and ready ... and does not wait 'til the last moment to give a vetted client an address or room number. Any of the above answers just doesn't get my ... respect![/red][/B]

Yes, yes. Well played. All bad behaviors will now be resolved.

When has any woman, anywhere, been on time, especially when a man is involved.

At least my wife has the incentive that the later she is, the more bourbon I drink before we go somewhere.

[QUOTE=KenwoodJack;3840581]And the answer is. [B] ... a good provider would never be in that situation [/B].

[B][red] A good provider plans well and is [u]always[/u] on time and ready ... and does not wait 'til the last moment to give a vetted client an address or room number. Any of the above answers just doesn't get my ... respect![/red][/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VinnieKramer;3840953]Yes, yes. Well played. All bad behaviors will now be resolved.

When has any woman, anywhere, been on time, especially when a man is involved.

At least my wife has the incentive that the later she is, the more bourbon I drink before we go somewhere.[/QUOTE]Kenwood Jack is exactly right: there's rarely a legitimate excuse for these girls to be late and I hope some of them are reading this string of messages.

Girls, here's the deal: most of us are married--you already know that--and most of us have jobs--you already know that too. So if you haven't yet put two and two together, listen up. We're pulling a lot of strings to come see you. Maybe we've lied to our wife or S. O. , maybe we've lied to our boss to cut out of work early or so we could take a "long lunch". But whatever the situation is, there's most likely a bit of risk involved--I. E. , the unexpected call from the wife or boss, the emergency at work that requires immediate attention, etc. , etc. In short, we've "manufactured" a small window of time so that we can spend it with YOU. And when you're not ready at the appointed time, it fouls everything up, not only time-wise but it puts us in a lousy mood as well. As Vinnie Kramer so astutely points out, we go through this shit with our wives every fucking day and we come to see you to get away from that stuff. Do yourselves AND us a favor and be on time. You'll probably find that your business will pick up if you eliminate the drama. (OK, I'm off my soapbox).

[QUOTE=Kenal1;3840996]Kenwood Jack is exactly right: there's rarely a legitimate excuse for these girls to be late and I hope some of them are reading this string of messages.

Girls, here's the deal: most of us are married--you already know that--and most of us have jobs--you already know that too. So if you haven't yet put two and two together, listen up. We're pulling a lot of strings to come see you. Maybe we've lied to our wife or S. O. , maybe we've lied to our boss to cut out of work early or so we could take a "long lunch". But whatever the situation is, there's most likely a bit of risk involved--I. E. , the unexpected call from the wife or boss, the emergency at work that requires immediate attention, etc. , etc. In short, we've "manufactured" a small window of time so that we can spend it with YOU. And when you're not ready at the appointed time, it fouls everything up, not only time-wise but it puts us in a lousy mood as well. As Vinnie Kramer so astutely points out, we go through this shit with our wives every fucking day and we come to see you to get away from that stuff. Do yourselves AND us a favor and be on time. You'll probably find that your business will pick up if you eliminate the drama. (OK, I'm off my soapbox).[/QUOTE]Agreed. We are finding small windows of time, or at least I am, and the delays are a reason I won't repeat. This is the providers business, and should be ran as such if they wish to be successful. The smart ones are. Being frustrated for 1/2 hr or more before a date doesn't make it more enjoyable, but less.

[QUOTE=KenwoodJack;3840581]And the answer is. [B] ... a good provider would never be in that situation [/B].

[B][red] A good provider plans well and is [u]always[/u] on time and ready ... and does not wait 'til the last moment to give a vetted client an address or room number. Any of the above answers just doesn't get my ... respect![/red][/B][/QUOTE]Well said it's a business and the ladies should treat It as such they wouldn't want us late!

If the miscreants you refer to had the skills to run a business, do you think this is what they would focus their talent on?

Sure a very small few approach it this way, but most have far different motivations (demons) driving this entrepreneurial choice.

Happiness is a matter of calibrating expectations with reality. If you do this, you won't be so frustrated with the inherent lack of discipline from certain service providers.

[QUOTE=WillieWanka;3841188]Well said it's a business and the ladies should treat It as such they wouldn't want us late![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VinnieKramer;3842099]If the miscreants you refer to had the skills to run a business, do you think this is what they would focus their talent on?

Sure a very small few approach it this way, but most have far different motivations (demons) driving this entrepreneurial choice.

Happiness is a matter of calibrating expectations with reality. If you do this, you won't be so frustrated with the inherent lack of discipline from certain service providers.[/QUOTE]Every time I see these posts that basically lecture providers about providing good business services I shake my head. If you want that, stop trying to bang these drug addicts. There are women out there that manage their shit really well.

They tend to cost more and don't haggle, but that's where the service tends to be that everyone seems to want.

[QUOTE=VinnieKramer;3842099]If the miscreants you refer to had the skills to run a business, do you think this is what they would focus their talent on?

Sure a very small few approach it this way, but most have far different motivations (demons) driving this entrepreneurial choice.

Happiness is a matter of calibrating expectations with reality. If you do this, you won't be so frustrated with the inherent lack of discipline from certain service providers.[/QUOTE]Being somewhat timely and able to answer a phone, which when we are there seems part of their anatomy, are not hard things to do. They are all quite good with understanding prycing and negotiations, just not the really simple stuff that could get them repeats and reduce exposure. And be open and honest. Running late may not be their fault if they are entrtaining. Like I said, the good ones, the ones I repeat with, have some understanding of our time not just theirs.

Just remember at the end of the day, 99% of hookers are shitty people. There should be no expectation of anything else.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy011;3842545]Just remember at the end of the day, 99% of hookers are shitty people. There should be no expectation of anything else.[/QUOTE]I AGREE a lot of them are shitty people, but the flip side to that is I'm sure they will say the same thing about us. AT THE END OF THE DAY THE THING THAT GUYS ON HERE NEED TO REMEMBER AND NEVER FORGET YET ALOT DO is this: "IT'S ALWAYS IS, WAS, AND WILL BE ABOUT THE MONEY. Expect that going in, and you won't ever be disappointed when they act or do shitty things. They will give you shout outs on here saying thanks and praise about the visits, tell you your the nicest guy, or your so funny, or you fucked them sooooo good they came 3 times and was exhausted etc but they just want you to come back and see them again cause they want that money, bills are do, rent is do, kids need school cloths, they need drugs, they boyfriend need bail. They can fuck for nothing in they personal life, MONEY MAKES people say and do crazy things, and that's why hookers do this, stop trying to meet dates, talk buddies, hangout buddies, cuddling buddies, and just go and fuck them! THATS WHAT THEY ARE HERE FOR, if you expect that.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy011;3842545]Just remember at the end of the day, 99% of hookers are shitty people. There should be no expectation of anything else.[/QUOTE]There are shitty people in every profession, your profession being no exception, whatever it is!

Personally, I like the mature providers. They got their shit together and generally provide good service.

As always, YMMV.

JAC.

KidKuddi, I tried to let this go but you want to keep adding fuel to the fire. Did I pm you with info? Yes. Did you request more info? Yes. Did I give you what I know about her? Yes. Did you request even more? Yes. I told you what I knew and you kept asking for more. Very specific. You then began talking on the forums like you were better than the rest of us. I looked at your posts and saw negativity in most things you posted. When you claimed to have seen her, you obviously were lying or you wouldn't have asked if she were black or white for starters. I did let her know of your pms because she is a top notch provider and might want to think twice before seeing you. I'm sorry if looking out for a quality provider is so horrible. I don't think I am the only one who would look out for one of their favorites. I agree, this should not have gotten to the point it did. I really don't want to discuss this further with you. Hopefully we can move on.

JustTry.