"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

So about a week ago I met up with my SB. I honestly wasn't looking for FC just a dinner. But you know how things go. She was meeting "friends" for bowling so after dinner I offered to.

Walk her to her car but she said she could stay another 30 minutes. I knew she was DTF.

Long story short we are making out on my couch and I get her naked and I am getting ready to go down on her and she said that she only lets her girlfriend do that to her.

Really! So we go up to my room and fuck. So basically she will let a guy, me, put on a condom, fuck her and cum inside of her (with a condom on) but oral is too personal.

And she would feel like she was cheating on her girlfriend. LOL I love this hobby! Just when you think you have heard it all boom. Stay safe players.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2582876]I've now had 3 SB's that wanted to get serious as in move in, talk about kids and marriage. They ranged from 22-31 years my junior. I believe all 3 were serious as I was the one who needed the relationship and all 3 have tried very hard to get me back. I'm in pretty good shape and youthful for my age, but still I have found this amazing. Most are real disillusioned with younger guys and want the maturity and stability that an older man can bring and like my exoerience in the bedroom.

I enjoy the emotional bond and closeness of a real relationship, but just can't see how this would play out long term. A gap of only 15 years is not that uncommon in traditional relationships.

It could be the real thing![/QUOTE]Believe me I know how it feels to need a connection and how good it feels to have that with a SB. However, at the end of the day the wouldn't even be seen out with you.

If you weren't paying them.

Even if a SB told you they didn't want you to pay directly they are still going to expect you to take care of them. House, food, pay for college.

You also have to remember that some, not most, but a lot of these girls are trying to escape something or someone. I am sure they all have good intentions but they just view.

Us a means to get something, forget something, or feel something temporarily.

I also find that most, not all, but most SB bring with them a lot of drama. I don't need that shit in my life.

What I am saying is that don't fall into this trap. It's like me when I went to my 1st strip club and I swore that a stripper really really liked me. It's the same thing with SB.

Don't get me wrong I am sure these SB do like you but maybe not in the way you would hope. Please don't take this as coming across as preachy, which I am sure it is. It's.

Just one man keeping it real like others have done for me. Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2582992]Believe me I know how it feels to need a connection and how good it feels to have that with a SB. However, at the end of the day the wouldn't even be seen out with you. If you weren't paying them. Even if a SB told you they didn't want you to pay directly they are still going to expect you to take care of them. House, food, pay for college. You also have to remember that some, not most, but a lot of these girls are trying to escape something or someone. I am sure they all have good intentions but they just view. Us a means to get something, forget something, or feel something temporarily. I also find that most, not all, but most SB bring with them a lot of drama. I don't need that shit in my life. What I am saying is that don't fall into this trap. It's like me when I went to my 1st strip club and I swore that a stripper really really liked me. It's the same thing with SB. Don't get me wrong I am sure these SB do like you but maybe not in the way you would hope. Please don't take this as coming across as preachy, which I am sure it is. It's. Just one man keeping it real like others have done for me. Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]I have to disagree, there are many reports here of SBs that wanted to date minus the money, I myself have met SBs who were offended when I tried to gift them cash, and I've given recent examples of would-be SBs who wanted to fuck with no gift, specified by them. Some members have had SBs fall in love (if you read SD experiences on other blogs outside this thread, you'll find it happens all the time and sometimes they do get married).

I personally wouldn't marry an SB, or even marry a girl who I had knowledge had ever been an SB, but that's just me. I don't provide financially for my live in GF at all, even something like going out to eat sometimes I pay sometimes she does. She works full time and has her own money.

Strippers are often a bit of a different breed though. Even the ones who are genuinely good people are there at a place of work to do a job, and that job is to cater to their male customer's ego. That's what they do by definition. However, it doesn't mean that they don't genuinely like ANY of their customers. In fact, where do you think most of their real-life boyfriends and husbands come from? They meet them at work most of the time. They need to date someone who accepts their employment choice and that makes it easy. So yes strippers do fall in love with customers sometimes.

But I can tell you one thing I've learned in all my travels, confidence is everything in success with women. If you start out believing that no hot girl could possibly like you, your fears will come true in a big way, because you've screwed yourself from the get-go just by allowing yourself to believe that. Confidence comes from within, and once you find it, it pays off in big ways when getting pussy. Without it, there's no choice but to pay for it (and even that may not turn out as well as it could if some confidence were developed).

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2583026]I have to disagree, there are many reports here of SBs that wanted to date minus the money, I myself have met SBs who were offended when I tried to gift them cash, and I've given recent examples of would-be SBs who wanted to fuck with no gift, specified by them. Some members have had SBs fall in love (if you read SD experiences on other blogs outside this thread, you'll find it happens all the time and sometimes they do get married).

I personally wouldn't marry an SB, or even marry a girl who I had knowledge had ever been an SB, but that's just me. I don't provide financially for my live in GF at all, even something like going out to eat sometimes I pay sometimes she does. She works full time and has her own money.

Strippers are often a bit of a different breed though. Even the ones who are genuinely good people are there at a place of work to do a job, and that job is to cater to their male customer's ego. That's what they do by definition. However, it doesn't mean that they don't genuinely like ANY of their customers. In fact, where do you think most of their real-life boyfriends and husbands come from? They meet them at work most of the time. They need to date someone who accepts their employment choice and that makes it easy. So yes strippers do fall in love with customers sometimes.

But I can tell you one thing I've learned in all my travels, confidence is everything in success with women. If you start out believing that no hot girl could possibly like you, your fears will come true in a big way, because you've screwed yourself from the get-go just by allowing yourself to believe that. Confidence comes from within, and once you find it, it pays off in big ways when getting pussy. Without it, there's no choice but to pay for it (and even that may not turn out as well as it could if some confidence were developed).[/QUOTE]A girl that fucks for free is not an SB. She may be a non-pro. But the S stands for sugar. And yes confidence goes a long way. Although I am sure the least confident, drug addled and ugly rock stars in hollywood still get unlimited pussy. but an average looking guy with personality will get some great girls. I have lived the full life cycle of this dynamic.

Strippers fall into four main categories. They date the big spenders at the club, they date the males that work at the club, they date total losers that can't afford the cover charge, or they date the other girls. I based this on having dated a few strippers yet never spending a dime in a club. (I met them all on the SD sites) My old tired joke is I know everyone at the club from hanging out in the parking lot. Cuz I wont go inside.

[QUOTE=Donwhite;2582746]I'm taking a break from the SA for awhile and I can't delete my account. The only option available is to deactivate it. Am I missing something? Have any of you been able to delete your account lately?[/QUOTE]When I click on a SB profile that is no longer active the page says something like " this member has deactivated their account " and no pic or info is shown, so I think it is just the wording SA uses.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2583055]A girl that fucks for free is not an SB. She may be a non-pro. But the S stands for sugar. [/QUOTE]True but when I talk of SBs fucking for free, I mean "SB's for someone" and "fucking someone else for free". In other words a girl that posts herself on an SD site instantly becomes a POT by definition. She has labeled herself as someone digging for gold, she is an SB. Whether or not she gets paid depends on what happens next. If she's ever accepted sugar for sex she's an SB forever in my book. That's why I said I would never marry or be serious about an SB (not discouraging anyone else that wants to, but its fundamentally against my idea of what a relationship should be). By that, I mean a girl who I have knowledge of ever having had a profile on an SD website or positioned herself as a gold digger. Seems like a harsh term, but I mean anyone who feels they should have an easier ride or work less hard than anyone else because they were gifted with a pussy and good looks, and is brazen enough to advertise that fact on a public website.

Then of course we have SBs that have flipped to girlfriends (converted from SB to someone's girl). I've never had one of those personally (to my knowledge anyway). I would still call those SBs even if they aren't getting sugar in their newfound relationship, because whether I'm right or wrong I am still under the impression that once she has been spoiled and allowed to believe her looks should buy her an easy ride in life, she is always going to have that sense of entitlement and therefore never truly able to play fair. A real relationship is DAMN hard work. I'd say its by far the most challenging "project" I've ever taken on in life. I think that's why I place so much value on my current relationship -- the amount of time I've put into it, the sacrifices I've made, all the fuck buddies and booty calls and SBs I've foregone the opportunity to fuck and thrown their phone numbers away. I've always been attracted to a challenge, and for me a relationship is the ultimate challenge. Just the act of getting pussy has never really been challenging for me, maybe I'm lucky in that regard that it has all come so easy. Maintaining a relationship is something that challenges me every day, and takes a long time to build and only moments to destroy.

[QUOTE=Donwhite;2582746]I'm taking a break from the SA for awhile and I can't delete my account. The only option available is to deactivate it. Am I missing something? Have any of you been able to delete your account lately?[/QUOTE]Don't hold me to it but I think I had to e-mail customer support when I deleted mine. They leave it so girls can still hit you up but you can't do anything back if you're deactivated, I guess it's designed to lure you back in. They will delete if you contact support.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2583100]Don't hold me to it but I think I had to e-mail customer support when I deleted mine. They leave it so girls can still hit you up but you can't do anything back if you're deactivated, I guess it's designed to lure you back in. They will delete if you contact support.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I'll try that.

I have been checking this website out. I searched my local area and checked out 7-10 profiles and found 4 or 5 which TinEye revealed images to be from some other sites. One had pics that looked too professional and one had multiple pictures of different women. IS this one of the sites that is being talked about here? What am I missing? It looks as if more than half the profiles are obvious fakes. Will the experience improve when I pay for the site?

VD.

So I have been seeing a girl off the SD site that won't take my money and seems like she never will. We haven't fucked, but we have played around. Nothing that led to anyone cumming. She knows she can have sex anytime and get paid. She was so happy tonite that I didn't even want to push for sex. I did spend 5 dollars at mickey dees. But I don't think that makes her an SB or a gold digger. She is a civvy girl that went on the site and got cold feet. But she wants some company. She is good filler for my rest days in between FC dates. If she does decide to fuck and take the cash then she will be an SB. And since she does have a perfect body I am hoping to get lucky. She seems to have no life and just hangs out at the gym all day. And it shows.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2582876]I've now had 3 SB's that wanted to get serious as in move in, talk about kids and marriage. They ranged from 22-31 years my junior. I believe all 3 were serious as I was the one who needed the relationship and all 3 have tried very hard to get me back. I'm in pretty good shape and youthful for my age, but still I have found this amazing. Most are real disillusioned with younger guys and want the maturity and stability that an older man can bring and like my exoerience in the bedroom.

I enjoy the emotional bond and closeness of a real relationship, but just can't see how this would play out long term. A gap of only 15 years is not that uncommon in traditional relationships.

It could be the real thing![/QUOTE]The thing is -once you have crossed the Rubicon (of sex work) -you will never go back. Take us for example. We know HOW to mine for pussy and how easy it is - so do they. An SB (also a sex worker -has only to post an ad -or a profile -to make a few $$ on her back. We can never go back. Nor can they. You know the wonderful SB you bring into your home and life will aggravate you some day or you might even yearn for a sexy ginger instead of your 10/10 blonde-and you will hit those keys on your keyboard -and some hot 20 yr old will pop up and you are toast. She might desire young stuff her age instead of the same ole with you . Hard to imagine but there it is .

Reminds me of the old tired joke about three things to never own -cars, boats, and women.

Each site varies by geographical area as to which is better or not. I believe most, including myself, find SD4 M to be a waste of time and money. There have also been reports of this site continuing to charge after you have cancelled. My recommendation is to avoid.

[QUOTE=VoxDei;2583206]I have been checking this website out. I searched my local area and checked out 7-10 profiles and found 4 or 5 which TinEye revealed images to be from some other sites. One had pics that looked too professional and one had multiple pictures of different women. IS this one of the sites that is being talked about here? What am I missing? It looks as if more than half the profiles are obvious fakes. Will the experience improve when I pay for the site?

VD.[/QUOTE]

Shout out to Ltnic, JeezLizard, FredMoore and HWG. It has been very interesting reading on the SB-GF-SO discussions. Thanks for the insight.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2583098]True but when I talk of SBs fucking for free, I mean "SB's for someone" and "fucking someone else for free". In other words a girl that posts herself on an SD site instantly becomes a POT by definition. She has labeled herself as someone digging for gold, she is an SB. Whether or not she gets paid depends on what happens next. If she's ever accepted sugar for sex she's an SB forever in my book. That's why I said I would never marry or be serious about an SB (not discouraging anyone else that wants to, but its fundamentally against my idea of what a relationship should be). By that, I mean a girl who I have knowledge of ever having had a profile on an SD website or positioned herself as a gold digger. Seems like a harsh term, but I mean anyone who feels they should have an easier ride or work less hard than anyone else because they were gifted with a pussy and good looks, and is brazen enough to advertise that fact on a public website.

Then of course we have SBs that have flipped to girlfriends (converted from SB to someone's girl). I've never had one of those personally (to my knowledge anyway). I would still call those SBs even if they aren't getting sugar in their newfound relationship, because whether I'm right or wrong I am still under the impression that once she has been spoiled and allowed to believe her looks should buy her an easy ride in life, she is always going to have that sense of entitlement and therefore never truly able to play fair. A real relationship is DAMN hard work. I'd say its by far the most challenging "project" I've ever taken on in life. I think that's why I place so much value on my current relationship -- the amount of time I've put into it, the sacrifices I've made, all the fuck buddies and booty calls and SBs I've foregone the opportunity to fuck and thrown their phone numbers away. I've always been attracted to a challenge, and for me a relationship is the ultimate challenge. Just the act of getting pussy has never really been challenging for me, maybe I'm lucky in that regard that it has all come so easy. Maintaining a relationship is something that challenges me every day, and takes a long time to build and only moments to destroy.[/QUOTE]I just don't agree. A girl who posts on a SD site is a POT for sure. But her status at that point could be anything. NP, SB, UTR, PRO, even they don't know, almost anything. It's a crap shoot. I want them to all be first time SB's. That is my sweet spot for sure. But unless you are going to really take care of them. They will venture out more. The first timers are def the best for me overall.

[QUOTE=CaneBay;2583485]Each site varies by geographical area as to which is better or not. I believe most, including myself, find SD4 M to be a waste of time and money. There have also been reports of this site continuing to charge after you have cancelled. My recommendation is to avoid.[/QUOTE]SA is best in central VA for quality and quantity of young girls. But my favorite SB ever came from SDFM. So it is worth checking them all out. I recently cancelled SDFM and had no problems. Perhaps they have improved their Customer Service Dept. The latter seems to have a lot of UTRs but since the numbers are smaller perhaps it is more obvious. One girl who always posts actually has a pimp you have to call and leave a CC # to get an appointment. That kind of crap will get the site busted when it is so overt.