"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DogSun;2582027]She looks good. I'm working on adding an AA stripper to my stable at the moment also. We'll see what happens. My situation has changed in the past 4 months. When I originally got into the whole sugar daddy thing, I was in a relationship, and due to certain circumstances I needed to get some on the side. Meeting sugar babies was much more attractive to me then going the escort route, and this worked in my favor, because as I mentioned in my last post, some of these girls can be swayed with game / looks and it's not just about money like it would be with a girl from BP or Eros. However, I'm single now and have started "regular" dating again in addition to my current stable. But I've noticed a disturbing trend. Sex with an sb is tremendously hotter to me than sex with a civy. And in all honesty, a couple of the civy's I hooked up with were better looking than my current sb's and their performance was on par with them. It's almost like banging sb's has become a fetish for me. The fact that I'm turning these "regular girls" into my own private prostitute is a huge turn-on for me. Where as with the civy girls, it's just plain old sex. It's almost like I'm getting hooked on the deviant nature of an arrangement.[/QUOTE]This is one of the reasons that I only dabble in the bowl when my gf travels, and I stop cold turkey as soon as she returns. I actually get bummed out when she comes back, like "momma don't take my my Kodachrome away" kind of bummed. It's like going through opiate withdrawal to go from the thrill of having lots of hot young babes lined up, to suddenly knowing I'm back to reality and that I need to put it all down. I have to literally fight off the feeling of wanting to just throw in the towel on the relationship so that I can bang random young horny girls, sending each of them away when I'm ready for the next one.

But in a few weeks time, I come back down to earth, re-bond with the gf and remember why I'm with her. She really is beautiful in the morning when she first wakes up, no makeup on and the brush hasn't even touched her hair yet, and not every girl (even many hot SBs) can make that claim. God knows she has her flaws and gets on my nerves sometimes, and she can say the same about me, that's just how a real relationship is. We seem to get closer / happier the longer we are together, at least that's how things are trending for now. It's not as exciting as constantly meeting new SBs, but then again such short trysts with SBs could never be this satisfying overall. Comparing hours / days / months / years of overall happiness / contentment to a few fleeting moments of absolute ecstasy as I'm making glue on some college girls tits is just no comparison. One of them is certainly more fun to write about here and makes for better discussion fodder among the guys, but the other is more satisfying overall (and we know which one is which).

I've definitely asked myself, what would happen if the GF doesn't work out? Would I just become a full-time SD? I don't think so. I think I would return to civy dating and try again to find an actual relationship that made me happy long-term, using SBs as more of a "fill in" activity for when civy dating wasn't producing the kind of results I wanted. Problem is, the older we get, I think the harder civy dating gets (or I should say the farther it gets from what we would like it to be). That, combined with the syndrome you described of getting spoiled by younger SB pussy and losing interest in slightly more age-appropriate relationships, makes me think that if I ever find myself back on the dating scene, its probably in my best interest to stay away from SBs, just to retain the motivation and patience for real dating. Not to mention I might go broke spending on all the SB pussy if I didn't have a built-in limiter to keep me in check. LOL.

I love summer vacation. This weekend I have like absolutely almost no work at all. So I had a girl come over from 3 pm to 1 am. The moment she left I had another one come over from 1. 30 am to 5 am. She just went home and will back the moment she wakes up, to spend the whole day and night here tomorrow. She is an AA, 27,5'7" 120. Amazing shape from years of running. Perfect skin and very sensual.

We spent the entire time on the sofa just playing. Very light but heavy enough that the ice is broken on a planned FC trip tomorrow.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2582059]This is one of the reasons that I only dabble in the bowl when my gf travels, and I stop cold turkey as soon as she returns. I actually get bummed out when she comes back, like "momma don't take my my Kodachrome away" kind of bummed. It's like going through opiate withdrawal to go from the thrill of having lots of hot young babes lined up, to suddenly knowing I'm back to reality and that I need to put it all down. I have to literally fight off the feeling of wanting to just throw in the towel on the relationship so that I can bang random young horny girls, sending each of them away when I'm ready for the next one.

But in a few weeks time, I come back down to earth, re-bond with the gf and remember why I'm with her. She really is beautiful in the morning when she first wakes up, no makeup on and the brush hasn't even touched her hair yet, and not every girl (even many hot SBs) can make that claim. God knows she has her flaws and gets on my nerves sometimes, and she can say the same about me, that's just how a real relationship is. We seem to get closer / happier the longer we are together, at least that's how things are trending for now. It's not as exciting as constantly meeting new SBs, but then again such short trysts with SBs could never be this satisfying overall. Comparing hours / days / months / years of overall happiness / contentment to a few fleeting moments of absolute ecstasy as I'm making glue on some college girls tits is just no comparison. One of them is certainly more fun to write about here and makes for better discussion fodder among the guys, but the other is more satisfying overall (and we know which one is which).

I've definitely asked myself, what would happen if the GF doesn't work out? Would I just become a full-time SD? I don't think so. I think I would return to civy dating and try again to find an actual relationship that made me happy long-term, using SBs as more of a "fill in" activity for when civy dating wasn't producing the kind of results I wanted. Problem is, the older we get, I think the harder civy dating gets (or I should say the farther it gets from what we would like it to be). That, combined with the syndrome you described of getting spoiled by younger SB pussy and losing interest in slightly more age-appropriate relationships, makes me think that if I ever find myself back on the dating scene, its probably in my best interest to stay away from SBs, just to retain the motivation and patience for real dating. Not to mention I might go broke spending on all the SB pussy if I didn't have a built-in limiter to keep me in check. LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm with you man. I've been married 18 years to a great girl. We don't have sex anymore. For the past 10 years, it's been only once or twice PER YEAR. My girl has some feminine health issues, so it does not do much for her. I'd been living on what she calls BJOD for a decade. She is pretty good at head and a great lady in all other areas. But as you guys konw, BBBJ is not enough long term. A year ago, she offered me a free pass, and I took her up on it. She has three rules: 1) no girlfriends, 2) no one can know / don't embarrass her with our friends 3) she doesn't ever want to know anything about it.

So, I took her up on this pass a year ago and have gone to town with it. Literally 3 girls a week for a year. Mostly escorts, but also a fair amount if SB lately.

My lady travels for work. When she is gone, I have a great time at the house. When she comes home. Like you said "momma don't take my kodachrome".

Once we got sex off the table I saw that there are some other issues in my marriage. We are great friends, but a lot of pieces are missing that I get from the thrill of dating these hot young chicks.

I am seriously thinking about a divorce. Telling my wife, hey lets be friends, but I got to move on.

[QUOTE=Helion;2582241]I'm with you man. I've been married 18 years to a great girl. We don't have sex anymore. For the past 10 years, it's been only once or twice PER YEAR. My girl has some feminine health issues, so it does not do much for her. I'd been living on what she calls BJOD for a decade. She is pretty good at head and a great lady in all other areas. But as you guys konw, BBBJ is not enough long term. A year ago, she offered me a free pass, and I took her up on it. She has three rules: 1) no girlfriends, 2) no one can know / don't embarrass her with our friends 3) she doesn't ever want to know anything about it.

So, I took her up on this pass a year ago and have gone to town with it. Literally 3 girls a week for a year. Mostly escorts, but also a fair amount if SB lately.

My lady travels for work. When she is gone, I have a great time at the house. When she comes home. Like you said "momma don't take my kodachrome".

Once we got sex off the table I saw that there are some other issues in my marriage. We are great friends, but a lot of pieces are missing that I get from the thrill of dating these hot young chicks.

I am seriously thinking about a divorce. Telling my wife, hey lets be friends, but I got to move on.[/QUOTE]I've always said, never take relationship advice from someone you meet on a monger forum, but I'm going to throw some out there having fully disclosed that:

Dude! You've got a marriage to someone you describe as great, with a free pass! And you're thinking of tossing it! What? That's the best of both worlds. I can't think of a good reason for letting that situation go. You've got the benefit of someone who is actually worth spending time with, but a free ticket to fuck anyone else you want as long as strings aren't attached. If you're thinking of leaving that situation, I believe the addiction may be clouding your judgement. I'd recommend taking at least a month or two off from SB activities to regroup and take a fair assessment of your situation. I know I would need that long in order to sort through my thoughts while not simultaneously going through pussy withdrawal. I'm not even making any assumptions about kids or assets at this point, those can of course change the situation entirely.

All marriages / long-term relationships have issues. Those issues are going to see far worse while you have made SBs or hookers available to yourself. It's just like putting down the crack pipe or whiskey bottle long enough for the blurred vision to clear up or cravings to stop -- you have to separate yourself from the addiction in order to even be in a position to make the right decision.

You mentioned you've only been mongering a year -- it's still quite new to you. I was married before myself, and while we didn't have SD websites to my knowledge back then, I did do my fair share of taking care of mistresses, etc. To feed a sex addiction, so some of the experience I'm conveying here reaches far beyond the stuff I've talked about on this forum before. And, it's not to say you shouldn't leave your wife if that turns out to be the right choice -- you just need to be sure you're in a position to make the right choice. Personally I've never had a free pass and I'd never even think about leaving her if I had that. Plus enthusiastic BJs? I actually prefer oral and could live quite well off it even if that's all I had, but that's just me.

Don't forget to account to the grass-is-always-greener syndrome, we are all susceptible to it.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2582059]This is one of the reasons that I only dabble in the bowl when my gf travels, and I stop cold turkey as soon as she returns. I actually get bummed out when she comes back, like "momma don't take my my Kodachrome away" kind of bummed. It's like going through opiate withdrawal to go from the thrill of having lots of hot young babes lined up, to suddenly knowing I'm back to reality and that I need to put it all down. I have to literally fight off the feeling of wanting to just throw in the towel on the relationship so that I can bang random young horny girls, sending each of them away when I'm ready for the next one.

But in a few weeks time, I come back down to earth, re-bond with the gf and remember why I'm with her. She really is beautiful in the morning when she first wakes up, no makeup on and the brush hasn't even touched her hair yet, and not every girl (even many hot SBs) can make that claim. God knows she has her flaws and gets on my nerves sometimes, and she can say the same about me, that's just how a real relationship is. We seem to get closer / happier the longer we are together, at least that's how things are trending for now. It's not as exciting as constantly meeting new SBs, but then again such short trysts with SBs could never be this satisfying overall. Comparing hours / days / months / years of overall happiness / contentment to a few fleeting moments of absolute ecstasy as I'm making glue on some college girls tits is just no comparison. One of them is certainly more fun to write about here and makes for better discussion fodder among the guys, but the other is more satisfying overall (and we know which one is which).

I've definitely asked myself, what would happen if the GF doesn't work out? Would I just become a full-time SD? I don't think so. I think I would return to civy dating and try again to find an actual relationship that made me happy long-term, using SBs as more of a "fill in" activity for when civy dating wasn't producing the kind of results I wanted. Problem is, the older we get, I think the harder civy dating gets (or I should say the farther it gets from what we would like it to be). That, combined with the syndrome you described of getting spoiled by younger SB pussy and losing interest in slightly more age-appropriate relationships, makes me think that if I ever find myself back on the dating scene, its probably in my best interest to stay away from SBs, just to retain the motivation and patience for real dating. Not to mention I might go broke spending on all the SB pussy if I didn't have a built-in limiter to keep me in check. LOL.[/QUOTE]Jeez, that is an interesting post and I can relate to a lot of that. S. O. Vs escorts etc. I have a thought for you: if you like Asians, check out the dating sites from the Philippines or Thailand, etc. If you screen carefully and choose wisely, you can have all three in one. 1. loving relationship 2. Smoking ass hot looks from a girl of virtually ANY legal age 3. Very little cost once the initial expense of getting here is over. I know from the experience of many that this works well. Just my two cents. Thanks for the post and good luck.

[QUOTE=Helion;2582241]
I am seriously thinking about a divorce. Telling my wife, hey lets be friends, but I got to move on.[/QUOTE]JL alluded to the financial aspects of divorce, which are substantial in most cases. Only if you married up -or at least even, can you escape with your ASS-ets. She understands you enough to give you the pass and realize that no sex is a deal breaker, but when you dump her all bets might be off.

I realize that if I divorced I would not have enough left to Sugar. How bad would that be? Free to play and no money to pay? The worst of all worlds -outside looking in.

The only reason to leave would be the desire to have another crack at an IRL relationship. The bottom line is -we all get tired of the same pussy after awhile -no matter how great it is. Biology dictates that we go out and spread the seed far and wide.

[QUOTE=JohnnyTheWad;2582452]Jeez, that is an interesting post and I can relate to a lot of that. S. O. Vs escorts etc. I have a thought for you: if you like Asians, check out the dating sites from the Philippines or Thailand, etc. If you screen carefully and choose wisely, you can have all three in one. 1. loving relationship 2. Smoking ass hot looks from a girl of virtually ANY legal age 3. Very little cost once the initial expense of getting here is over. I know from the experience of many that this works well. Just my two cents. Thanks for the post and good luck.[/QUOTE]Tempting but what do you do when you tire of your import?

[QUOTE=JohnnyTheWad;2582452]Jeez, that is an interesting post and I can relate to a lot of that. S. O. Vs escorts etc. I have a thought for you: if you like Asians, check out the dating sites from the Philippines or Thailand, etc. If you screen carefully and choose wisely, you can have all three in one. 1. loving relationship 2. Smoking ass hot looks from a girl of virtually ANY legal age 3. Very little cost once the initial expense of getting here is over. I know from the experience of many that this works well. Just my two cents. Thanks for the post and good luck.[/QUOTE]The thing is I've already got a live-in girlfriend -- an excellent one at that. Actually the only reason I creep around with SBs at all is that whenever she travels, I get angst in my pants and feel like doing some traveling myself, lining up SBs in other cities and making a vacation out of it. Otherwise I'm content.

For me its the thrill of variety. If I took most of the SBs I've ever known, I would get tired of them pretty quickly if they lived with me. At least with my GF I have an actual relationship behind it all.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2582454]
The only reason to leave would be the desire to have another crack at an IRL relationship. The bottom line is -we all get tired of the same pussy after awhile -no matter how great it is. Biology dictates that we go out and spread the seed far and wide.[/QUOTE]Not only that, but psychology dictates that most normal people also have an intrinsic need for "real" relationships to exist somewhere in their life. If we kick it all aside and just become career mongers, at some point that becomes tiresome too. Maybe the realization occurs too late, and we end up in our late 70's or something doing an assessment of our lives and going "holy shit I wasted my entire life on hookers", but within any healthy human psyche, the need for more than just constant feeding of a physical addiction exists, and it catches up to all of us sooner or later.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2581629]I think those sound more like real SBs. Perhaps that attitude versus pay-per-play is really the defining line between a true SB and a UTR / pro girl.

A lot of times the "traditional" SB becomes more of a live-in fixture, but even then one could argue they are benefitting from a lifestyle (free rent if nothing else) they wouldn't otherwise have. I'd still call it fair play in the realm of "true SB behavior" though.[/QUOTE]I progressed to this state with my SB. I'm about 15 years older than her, not a tremendous difference when we're out socially. She has a great situation being live-in now. She has $0 expenses outside of grad school tuition. Right now, I'm trying to get a feel if this is genuine or game. I think she's a great girl and could see kids and maybe marriage (with serious pre-nup). So far the sex is great, we've done away with condoms and we vowed we'd be exclusive. If any of you guys had a similar SB relationship progress this way, I'm all ears for advice.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2582455]Tempting but what do you do when you tire of your import?[/QUOTE]I've had a handful of women visit me in the USA when I was single. All paid their own way, and I had met all of them in person while I was in Asia (except for two of them). Most stayed a week or two, and they were all good experiences since I had either met them in person previously or vetted them carefully.

If you're going to import, be aware that only Taiwan and Japan are visa waiver countries. HK, South Korea, Indonesia, Thailand, and the Philippines will require a visa. My guests all came from Japan or HK (she had a British passport because daddy was rich), and I never had to deal with the visa issue. I've heard that it can be a pain especially if the girl is not part of a tour group. DHS tends view a good looking young single asian woman as a potential sex worker. I guess that would be right in this instance. .

I'm taking a break from the SA for awhile and I can't delete my account. The only option available is to deactivate it. Am I missing something? Have any of you been able to delete your account lately?

Had an all day date with one of my regulars yesterday. When she left at midnite this one came over at 1 am till 5 am this morning. She will be back at 5 today.

Island girl, 5'7" 117. Sweet and smiles a lot. Wants to get to know me slowly. This is civy style so far. Last nite we just fooled around on the sofa for 4 hours so I gave her .4

I've now had 3 SB's that wanted to get serious as in move in, talk about kids and marriage. They ranged from 22-31 years my junior. I believe all 3 were serious as I was the one who needed the relationship and all 3 have tried very hard to get me back. I'm in pretty good shape and youthful for my age, but still I have found this amazing. Most are real disillusioned with younger guys and want the maturity and stability that an older man can bring and like my exoerience in the bedroom.

I enjoy the emotional bond and closeness of a real relationship, but just can't see how this would play out long term. A gap of only 15 years is not that uncommon in traditional relationships.

It could be the real thing!

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2582679]I progressed to this state with my SB. I'm about 15 years older than her, not a tremendous difference when we're out socially. She has a great situation being live-in now. She has $0 expenses outside of grad school tuition. Right now, I'm trying to get a feel if this is genuine or game. I think she's a great girl and could see kids and maybe marriage (with serious pre-nup). So far the sex is great, we've done away with condoms and we vowed we'd be exclusive. If any of you guys had a similar SB relationship progress this way, I'm all ears for advice.[/QUOTE]

SA tip. I have 3 saved searches.

1. Every girl that identifies as slim within 25 miles.

2. Every black & mixed girl within 50 miles.

3. Every 18-22 year old within 50 miles.

I spent the time to click on every single profile, which is a few thousand.

Now when I hit my saved searches I just check the "unviewed box" and only the new girls pop up.

Time consuming to get it set up, but super efficient now that its done.